L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Looks like the libby has about half the Cherokee's eight inches of
travel when comparing replacement shocks:
http://www.----------.com/libbyCherokee.htm
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"C. E. White" wrote:
>
> I can accept the "greater loads" part of your comments, but I don't agree with
> (or at least understand) the part about "greater travel." I know this is often
> claimed, but the only web site that made the case was so full of holes as to be
> useless. Maybe you can explain it to me. I believe that a properly designed IRS
> can have more ground clearance that a solid axle design. Unfortunately
> retrofitting such a system is difficult and expensive. In the context of the
> original question, why do you think the Liberties IFS is worse than the
> Cherokee's beam axle as long as both remain unmodified?
>
> Ever see a Jeepster?
>
> Ed

Dan J.S.

"Paul Thomas" <Paul.Thomas2@cingular.com> wrote in message
news:8f958472.0311192211.e8cddbb@posting.google.co m...
> I am thinking of buying a Jeep Liberty. There had been a lot of
> discussion about this SUV in the newsgroups. I understand overall it
> is a pretty good vehicle. There are a couple of things about liberty
> that I would like to know. Safety and Reliability.
>
> Safety : How safe is it? I am new to SUVs and I hear that SUVs are
> vulnerable to tip over. How is jeep's record on this? How about other
> safety features?
>
>
> Reliability : How reliable is Liberty? I am going to use it only to
> commute to and from work and may be some camping. Strictly no rock
> climbing or extreme off roading of any sort. If you give Honda a
> reliability rating of 10 and a Ford a reliability rating of 4 how
> would you rate Liberty? ( Remember no offroading). Does the parts
> start malfunctioning after a couple of years? (I hear Nissan Xterra
> has this problem )
>
>
> I am a novice in autos. What is the deal with independent front
> suspension and solid rear axle? How does it affect comfort and
> reliability?
>
> Thank you all for your help,
>
> Paul Thomas

I would stay away from any Chrysler products. Liberty is ok, but I have a
few associates that have more than average share of problems with them.
Consider a Toyota 4runner. Little more roomy, very comfortable, and very
reliable.

Dan J.S.

"Paul Thomas" <Paul.Thomas2@cingular.com> wrote in message
news:8f958472.0311192211.e8cddbb@posting.google.co m...
> I am thinking of buying a Jeep Liberty. There had been a lot of
> discussion about this SUV in the newsgroups. I understand overall it
> is a pretty good vehicle. There are a couple of things about liberty
> that I would like to know. Safety and Reliability.
>
> Safety : How safe is it? I am new to SUVs and I hear that SUVs are
> vulnerable to tip over. How is jeep's record on this? How about other
> safety features?
>
>
> Reliability : How reliable is Liberty? I am going to use it only to
> commute to and from work and may be some camping. Strictly no rock
> climbing or extreme off roading of any sort. If you give Honda a
> reliability rating of 10 and a Ford a reliability rating of 4 how
> would you rate Liberty? ( Remember no offroading). Does the parts
> start malfunctioning after a couple of years? (I hear Nissan Xterra
> has this problem )
>
>
> I am a novice in autos. What is the deal with independent front
> suspension and solid rear axle? How does it affect comfort and
> reliability?
>
> Thank you all for your help,
>
> Paul Thomas

I would stay away from any Chrysler products. Liberty is ok, but I have a
few associates that have more than average share of problems with them.
Consider a Toyota 4runner. Little more roomy, very comfortable, and very
reliable.

Dan J.S.

"Paul Thomas" <Paul.Thomas2@cingular.com> wrote in message
news:8f958472.0311192211.e8cddbb@posting.google.co m...
> I am thinking of buying a Jeep Liberty. There had been a lot of
> discussion about this SUV in the newsgroups. I understand overall it
> is a pretty good vehicle. There are a couple of things about liberty
> that I would like to know. Safety and Reliability.
>
> Safety : How safe is it? I am new to SUVs and I hear that SUVs are
> vulnerable to tip over. How is jeep's record on this? How about other
> safety features?
>
>
> Reliability : How reliable is Liberty? I am going to use it only to
> commute to and from work and may be some camping. Strictly no rock
> climbing or extreme off roading of any sort. If you give Honda a
> reliability rating of 10 and a Ford a reliability rating of 4 how
> would you rate Liberty? ( Remember no offroading). Does the parts
> start malfunctioning after a couple of years? (I hear Nissan Xterra
> has this problem )
>
>
> I am a novice in autos. What is the deal with independent front
> suspension and solid rear axle? How does it affect comfort and
> reliability?
>
> Thank you all for your help,
>
> Paul Thomas

I would stay away from any Chrysler products. Liberty is ok, but I have a
few associates that have more than average share of problems with them.
Consider a Toyota 4runner. Little more roomy, very comfortable, and very
reliable.

C. E. White

"Dan J.S." wrote:

> "Paul Thomas" <Paul.Thomas2@cingular.com> wrote in message
> news:8f958472.0311192211.e8cddbb@posting.google.co m...
> > I am thinking of buying a Jeep Liberty. There had been a lot of
> > discussion about this SUV in the newsgroups. I understand overall it
> > is a pretty good vehicle. There are a couple of things about liberty
> > that I would like to know. Safety and Reliability.
> >
> > Safety : How safe is it? I am new to SUVs and I hear that SUVs are
> > vulnerable to tip over. How is jeep's record on this? How about other
> > safety features?
> >
> >
> > Reliability : How reliable is Liberty? I am going to use it only to
> > commute to and from work and may be some camping. Strictly no rock
> > climbing or extreme off roading of any sort. If you give Honda a
> > reliability rating of 10 and a Ford a reliability rating of 4 how
> > would you rate Liberty? ( Remember no offroading). Does the parts
> > start malfunctioning after a couple of years? (I hear Nissan Xterra
> > has this problem )
> >
> >
> > I am a novice in autos. What is the deal with independent front
> > suspension and solid rear axle? How does it affect comfort and
> > reliability?
> >
> > Thank you all for your help,
> >
> > Paul Thomas
>
> I would stay away from any Chrysler products. Liberty is ok, but I have a
> few associates that have more than average share of problems with them.
> Consider a Toyota 4runner. Little more roomy, very comfortable, and very
> reliable.

And very expensive. Hopefully the revised 4Runner is safer than the old one
which had one of the highest injury loss rating of any SUV sold in the US.

I don't thik a person considering a Liberty is really in the market for a
4Runner.

Ed

C. E. White

"Dan J.S." wrote:

> "Paul Thomas" <Paul.Thomas2@cingular.com> wrote in message
> news:8f958472.0311192211.e8cddbb@posting.google.co m...
> > I am thinking of buying a Jeep Liberty. There had been a lot of
> > discussion about this SUV in the newsgroups. I understand overall it
> > is a pretty good vehicle. There are a couple of things about liberty
> > that I would like to know. Safety and Reliability.
> >
> > Safety : How safe is it? I am new to SUVs and I hear that SUVs are
> > vulnerable to tip over. How is jeep's record on this? How about other
> > safety features?
> >
> >
> > Reliability : How reliable is Liberty? I am going to use it only to
> > commute to and from work and may be some camping. Strictly no rock
> > climbing or extreme off roading of any sort. If you give Honda a
> > reliability rating of 10 and a Ford a reliability rating of 4 how
> > would you rate Liberty? ( Remember no offroading). Does the parts
> > start malfunctioning after a couple of years? (I hear Nissan Xterra
> > has this problem )
> >
> >
> > I am a novice in autos. What is the deal with independent front
> > suspension and solid rear axle? How does it affect comfort and
> > reliability?
> >
> > Thank you all for your help,
> >
> > Paul Thomas
>
> I would stay away from any Chrysler products. Liberty is ok, but I have a
> few associates that have more than average share of problems with them.
> Consider a Toyota 4runner. Little more roomy, very comfortable, and very
> reliable.

And very expensive. Hopefully the revised 4Runner is safer than the old one
which had one of the highest injury loss rating of any SUV sold in the US.

I don't thik a person considering a Liberty is really in the market for a
4Runner.

Ed

C. E. White

"Dan J.S." wrote:

> "Paul Thomas" <Paul.Thomas2@cingular.com> wrote in message
> news:8f958472.0311192211.e8cddbb@posting.google.co m...
> > I am thinking of buying a Jeep Liberty. There had been a lot of
> > discussion about this SUV in the newsgroups. I understand overall it
> > is a pretty good vehicle. There are a couple of things about liberty
> > that I would like to know. Safety and Reliability.
> >
> > Safety : How safe is it? I am new to SUVs and I hear that SUVs are
> > vulnerable to tip over. How is jeep's record on this? How about other
> > safety features?
> >
> >
> > Reliability : How reliable is Liberty? I am going to use it only to
> > commute to and from work and may be some camping. Strictly no rock
> > climbing or extreme off roading of any sort. If you give Honda a
> > reliability rating of 10 and a Ford a reliability rating of 4 how
> > would you rate Liberty? ( Remember no offroading). Does the parts
> > start malfunctioning after a couple of years? (I hear Nissan Xterra
> > has this problem )
> >
> >
> > I am a novice in autos. What is the deal with independent front
> > suspension and solid rear axle? How does it affect comfort and
> > reliability?
> >
> > Thank you all for your help,
> >
> > Paul Thomas
>
> I would stay away from any Chrysler products. Liberty is ok, but I have a
> few associates that have more than average share of problems with them.
> Consider a Toyota 4runner. Little more roomy, very comfortable, and very
> reliable.

And very expensive. Hopefully the revised 4Runner is safer than the old one
which had one of the highest injury loss rating of any SUV sold in the US.

I don't thik a person considering a Liberty is really in the market for a
4Runner.

Ed

rnf2

"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:3FBE358A.12002511@mindspring.com...
>
>
> "Dan J.S." wrote:
>
> > "Paul Thomas" <Paul.Thomas2@cingular.com> wrote in message
> > news:8f958472.0311192211.e8cddbb@posting.google.co m...
> > > I am thinking of buying a Jeep Liberty. There had been a lot of
> > > discussion about this SUV in the newsgroups. I understand overall it
> > > is a pretty good vehicle. There are a couple of things about liberty
> > > that I would like to know. Safety and Reliability.
> > >
> > > Safety : How safe is it? I am new to SUVs and I hear that SUVs are
> > > vulnerable to tip over. How is jeep's record on this? How about other
> > > safety features?
> > >
> > >
> > > Reliability : How reliable is Liberty? I am going to use it only to
> > > commute to and from work and may be some camping. Strictly no rock
> > > climbing or extreme off roading of any sort. If you give Honda a
> > > reliability rating of 10 and a Ford a reliability rating of 4 how
> > > would you rate Liberty? ( Remember no offroading). Does the parts
> > > start malfunctioning after a couple of years? (I hear Nissan Xterra
> > > has this problem )
> > >
> > >
> > > I am a novice in autos. What is the deal with independent front
> > > suspension and solid rear axle? How does it affect comfort and
> > > reliability?
> > >
> > > Thank you all for your help,
> > >
> > > Paul Thomas
> >
> > I would stay away from any Chrysler products. Liberty is ok, but I have
a
> > few associates that have more than average share of problems with them.
> > Consider a Toyota 4runner. Little more roomy, very comfortable, and very
> > reliable.
>
> And very expensive. Hopefully the revised 4Runner is safer than the old
one
> which had one of the highest injury loss rating of any SUV sold in the US.
>
> I don't thik a person considering a Liberty is really in the market for a
> 4Runner.
>
> Ed
>
Isuzu Trooper.
the new models are goign cheap because they're the last of the model, theres
a new US built design replacing the Jap built ones soon. So don't expect a
good resale price, but if you buy one and hang on to it, they're cheap now.

rhys

rnf2

"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:3FBE358A.12002511@mindspring.com...
>
>
> "Dan J.S." wrote:
>
> > "Paul Thomas" <Paul.Thomas2@cingular.com> wrote in message
> > news:8f958472.0311192211.e8cddbb@posting.google.co m...
> > > I am thinking of buying a Jeep Liberty. There had been a lot of
> > > discussion about this SUV in the newsgroups. I understand overall it
> > > is a pretty good vehicle. There are a couple of things about liberty
> > > that I would like to know. Safety and Reliability.
> > >
> > > Safety : How safe is it? I am new to SUVs and I hear that SUVs are
> > > vulnerable to tip over. How is jeep's record on this? How about other
> > > safety features?
> > >
> > >
> > > Reliability : How reliable is Liberty? I am going to use it only to
> > > commute to and from work and may be some camping. Strictly no rock
> > > climbing or extreme off roading of any sort. If you give Honda a
> > > reliability rating of 10 and a Ford a reliability rating of 4 how
> > > would you rate Liberty? ( Remember no offroading). Does the parts
> > > start malfunctioning after a couple of years? (I hear Nissan Xterra
> > > has this problem )
> > >
> > >
> > > I am a novice in autos. What is the deal with independent front
> > > suspension and solid rear axle? How does it affect comfort and
> > > reliability?
> > >
> > > Thank you all for your help,
> > >
> > > Paul Thomas
> >
> > I would stay away from any Chrysler products. Liberty is ok, but I have
a
> > few associates that have more than average share of problems with them.
> > Consider a Toyota 4runner. Little more roomy, very comfortable, and very
> > reliable.
>
> And very expensive. Hopefully the revised 4Runner is safer than the old
one
> which had one of the highest injury loss rating of any SUV sold in the US.
>
> I don't thik a person considering a Liberty is really in the market for a
> 4Runner.
>
> Ed
>
Isuzu Trooper.
the new models are goign cheap because they're the last of the model, theres
a new US built design replacing the Jap built ones soon. So don't expect a
good resale price, but if you buy one and hang on to it, they're cheap now.

rhys

rnf2

"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:3FBE358A.12002511@mindspring.com...
>
>
> "Dan J.S." wrote:
>
> > "Paul Thomas" <Paul.Thomas2@cingular.com> wrote in message
> > news:8f958472.0311192211.e8cddbb@posting.google.co m...
> > > I am thinking of buying a Jeep Liberty. There had been a lot of
> > > discussion about this SUV in the newsgroups. I understand overall it
> > > is a pretty good vehicle. There are a couple of things about liberty
> > > that I would like to know. Safety and Reliability.
> > >
> > > Safety : How safe is it? I am new to SUVs and I hear that SUVs are
> > > vulnerable to tip over. How is jeep's record on this? How about other
> > > safety features?
> > >
> > >
> > > Reliability : How reliable is Liberty? I am going to use it only to
> > > commute to and from work and may be some camping. Strictly no rock
> > > climbing or extreme off roading of any sort. If you give Honda a
> > > reliability rating of 10 and a Ford a reliability rating of 4 how
> > > would you rate Liberty? ( Remember no offroading). Does the parts
> > > start malfunctioning after a couple of years? (I hear Nissan Xterra
> > > has this problem )
> > >
> > >
> > > I am a novice in autos. What is the deal with independent front
> > > suspension and solid rear axle? How does it affect comfort and
> > > reliability?
> > >
> > > Thank you all for your help,
> > >
> > > Paul Thomas
> >
> > I would stay away from any Chrysler products. Liberty is ok, but I have
a
> > few associates that have more than average share of problems with them.
> > Consider a Toyota 4runner. Little more roomy, very comfortable, and very
> > reliable.
>
> And very expensive. Hopefully the revised 4Runner is safer than the old
one
> which had one of the highest injury loss rating of any SUV sold in the US.
>
> I don't thik a person considering a Liberty is really in the market for a
> 4Runner.
>
> Ed
>
Isuzu Trooper.
the new models are goign cheap because they're the last of the model, theres
a new US built design replacing the Jap built ones soon. So don't expect a
good resale price, but if you buy one and hang on to it, they're cheap now.

rhys