Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
11-20-2003, 09:57 AM
#11
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
> Safety : How safe is it? I am new to SUVs and I hear that SUVs are
vulnerable to tip over. <
Any vehicle with a high center of gravity is prone to "tip over" to one
degree or another. However, much of this rollover carping is from greens who
hope people won't buy SUVs and thus won't go off road. They want to close
all off road trails so they can have all public land to themselves.
>How is jeep's record on this? <
Jeeps are actually better than most in this regard, but again, it depends on
the driver.
> Reliability : How reliable is Liberty? <
Consumer Reports rates it average, which is rather difficult to define but
probably good.
> I am going to use it only to commute to and from work and may be some
camping. Strictly no rock climbing or extreme off roading of any sort. <
Good thing, because it's not a very capable rig off-road. Strictly for
forest trails, etc. Its IFS design inhibits wheel travel and thus hobbles
it. Indeed, among veteran Jeepers it's not even considered a "Jeep".
> If you give Honda a reliability rating of 10 and a Ford a reliability
rating of 4 how would you rate Liberty? ( Remember no offroading). <
Tough on Ford, wouldn't you say? (They actually do much better than you
think.)
This is an intangible, it's going to depend upon how you drive & maintain
it, but I would not put it in the Honda category, in fact I wouldn't put the
newer Hondas in the Honda category!
> Does the parts start malfunctioning after a couple of years? (I hear
Nissan Xterra has this problem )>
Never heard this about the Xterra, quite the contrary. Again, it's too new
to know how it will hold up long term.
> I am a novice in autos. What is the deal with independent front suspension
and solid rear axle? How does it affect comfort and reliability? <
IFS suspensions are designed to improve on-highway ride, solid axles are
better off road. Solid rear axles can theoretically handle greater loads and
allow more wheel travel in rough terrain.
On a "Jeep" and independent suspension is a travesty.
Many of us have no idea what DC was thinking with the Liberty, other than to
have a "cute ute" to sell. It's got less interior room than the old
Cherokee, is less competent off road and even looks kind of stupid. If they
roll out more models similar to the Liberty Jeep stands to fall flat on its
face. It's really intended to be a "chick-mobile", which is not where
anything called a "Jeep" belongs.
vulnerable to tip over. <
Any vehicle with a high center of gravity is prone to "tip over" to one
degree or another. However, much of this rollover carping is from greens who
hope people won't buy SUVs and thus won't go off road. They want to close
all off road trails so they can have all public land to themselves.
>How is jeep's record on this? <
Jeeps are actually better than most in this regard, but again, it depends on
the driver.
> Reliability : How reliable is Liberty? <
Consumer Reports rates it average, which is rather difficult to define but
probably good.
> I am going to use it only to commute to and from work and may be some
camping. Strictly no rock climbing or extreme off roading of any sort. <
Good thing, because it's not a very capable rig off-road. Strictly for
forest trails, etc. Its IFS design inhibits wheel travel and thus hobbles
it. Indeed, among veteran Jeepers it's not even considered a "Jeep".
> If you give Honda a reliability rating of 10 and a Ford a reliability
rating of 4 how would you rate Liberty? ( Remember no offroading). <
Tough on Ford, wouldn't you say? (They actually do much better than you
think.)
This is an intangible, it's going to depend upon how you drive & maintain
it, but I would not put it in the Honda category, in fact I wouldn't put the
newer Hondas in the Honda category!
> Does the parts start malfunctioning after a couple of years? (I hear
Nissan Xterra has this problem )>
Never heard this about the Xterra, quite the contrary. Again, it's too new
to know how it will hold up long term.
> I am a novice in autos. What is the deal with independent front suspension
and solid rear axle? How does it affect comfort and reliability? <
IFS suspensions are designed to improve on-highway ride, solid axles are
better off road. Solid rear axles can theoretically handle greater loads and
allow more wheel travel in rough terrain.
On a "Jeep" and independent suspension is a travesty.
Many of us have no idea what DC was thinking with the Liberty, other than to
have a "cute ute" to sell. It's got less interior room than the old
Cherokee, is less competent off road and even looks kind of stupid. If they
roll out more models similar to the Liberty Jeep stands to fall flat on its
face. It's really intended to be a "chick-mobile", which is not where
anything called a "Jeep" belongs.
11-20-2003, 09:57 AM
#12
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
> Safety : How safe is it? I am new to SUVs and I hear that SUVs are
vulnerable to tip over. <
Any vehicle with a high center of gravity is prone to "tip over" to one
degree or another. However, much of this rollover carping is from greens who
hope people won't buy SUVs and thus won't go off road. They want to close
all off road trails so they can have all public land to themselves.
>How is jeep's record on this? <
Jeeps are actually better than most in this regard, but again, it depends on
the driver.
> Reliability : How reliable is Liberty? <
Consumer Reports rates it average, which is rather difficult to define but
probably good.
> I am going to use it only to commute to and from work and may be some
camping. Strictly no rock climbing or extreme off roading of any sort. <
Good thing, because it's not a very capable rig off-road. Strictly for
forest trails, etc. Its IFS design inhibits wheel travel and thus hobbles
it. Indeed, among veteran Jeepers it's not even considered a "Jeep".
> If you give Honda a reliability rating of 10 and a Ford a reliability
rating of 4 how would you rate Liberty? ( Remember no offroading). <
Tough on Ford, wouldn't you say? (They actually do much better than you
think.)
This is an intangible, it's going to depend upon how you drive & maintain
it, but I would not put it in the Honda category, in fact I wouldn't put the
newer Hondas in the Honda category!
> Does the parts start malfunctioning after a couple of years? (I hear
Nissan Xterra has this problem )>
Never heard this about the Xterra, quite the contrary. Again, it's too new
to know how it will hold up long term.
> I am a novice in autos. What is the deal with independent front suspension
and solid rear axle? How does it affect comfort and reliability? <
IFS suspensions are designed to improve on-highway ride, solid axles are
better off road. Solid rear axles can theoretically handle greater loads and
allow more wheel travel in rough terrain.
On a "Jeep" and independent suspension is a travesty.
Many of us have no idea what DC was thinking with the Liberty, other than to
have a "cute ute" to sell. It's got less interior room than the old
Cherokee, is less competent off road and even looks kind of stupid. If they
roll out more models similar to the Liberty Jeep stands to fall flat on its
face. It's really intended to be a "chick-mobile", which is not where
anything called a "Jeep" belongs.
vulnerable to tip over. <
Any vehicle with a high center of gravity is prone to "tip over" to one
degree or another. However, much of this rollover carping is from greens who
hope people won't buy SUVs and thus won't go off road. They want to close
all off road trails so they can have all public land to themselves.
>How is jeep's record on this? <
Jeeps are actually better than most in this regard, but again, it depends on
the driver.
> Reliability : How reliable is Liberty? <
Consumer Reports rates it average, which is rather difficult to define but
probably good.
> I am going to use it only to commute to and from work and may be some
camping. Strictly no rock climbing or extreme off roading of any sort. <
Good thing, because it's not a very capable rig off-road. Strictly for
forest trails, etc. Its IFS design inhibits wheel travel and thus hobbles
it. Indeed, among veteran Jeepers it's not even considered a "Jeep".
> If you give Honda a reliability rating of 10 and a Ford a reliability
rating of 4 how would you rate Liberty? ( Remember no offroading). <
Tough on Ford, wouldn't you say? (They actually do much better than you
think.)
This is an intangible, it's going to depend upon how you drive & maintain
it, but I would not put it in the Honda category, in fact I wouldn't put the
newer Hondas in the Honda category!
> Does the parts start malfunctioning after a couple of years? (I hear
Nissan Xterra has this problem )>
Never heard this about the Xterra, quite the contrary. Again, it's too new
to know how it will hold up long term.
> I am a novice in autos. What is the deal with independent front suspension
and solid rear axle? How does it affect comfort and reliability? <
IFS suspensions are designed to improve on-highway ride, solid axles are
better off road. Solid rear axles can theoretically handle greater loads and
allow more wheel travel in rough terrain.
On a "Jeep" and independent suspension is a travesty.
Many of us have no idea what DC was thinking with the Liberty, other than to
have a "cute ute" to sell. It's got less interior room than the old
Cherokee, is less competent off road and even looks kind of stupid. If they
roll out more models similar to the Liberty Jeep stands to fall flat on its
face. It's really intended to be a "chick-mobile", which is not where
anything called a "Jeep" belongs.
11-20-2003, 09:57 AM
#13
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
> Safety : How safe is it? I am new to SUVs and I hear that SUVs are
vulnerable to tip over. <
Any vehicle with a high center of gravity is prone to "tip over" to one
degree or another. However, much of this rollover carping is from greens who
hope people won't buy SUVs and thus won't go off road. They want to close
all off road trails so they can have all public land to themselves.
>How is jeep's record on this? <
Jeeps are actually better than most in this regard, but again, it depends on
the driver.
> Reliability : How reliable is Liberty? <
Consumer Reports rates it average, which is rather difficult to define but
probably good.
> I am going to use it only to commute to and from work and may be some
camping. Strictly no rock climbing or extreme off roading of any sort. <
Good thing, because it's not a very capable rig off-road. Strictly for
forest trails, etc. Its IFS design inhibits wheel travel and thus hobbles
it. Indeed, among veteran Jeepers it's not even considered a "Jeep".
> If you give Honda a reliability rating of 10 and a Ford a reliability
rating of 4 how would you rate Liberty? ( Remember no offroading). <
Tough on Ford, wouldn't you say? (They actually do much better than you
think.)
This is an intangible, it's going to depend upon how you drive & maintain
it, but I would not put it in the Honda category, in fact I wouldn't put the
newer Hondas in the Honda category!
> Does the parts start malfunctioning after a couple of years? (I hear
Nissan Xterra has this problem )>
Never heard this about the Xterra, quite the contrary. Again, it's too new
to know how it will hold up long term.
> I am a novice in autos. What is the deal with independent front suspension
and solid rear axle? How does it affect comfort and reliability? <
IFS suspensions are designed to improve on-highway ride, solid axles are
better off road. Solid rear axles can theoretically handle greater loads and
allow more wheel travel in rough terrain.
On a "Jeep" and independent suspension is a travesty.
Many of us have no idea what DC was thinking with the Liberty, other than to
have a "cute ute" to sell. It's got less interior room than the old
Cherokee, is less competent off road and even looks kind of stupid. If they
roll out more models similar to the Liberty Jeep stands to fall flat on its
face. It's really intended to be a "chick-mobile", which is not where
anything called a "Jeep" belongs.
vulnerable to tip over. <
Any vehicle with a high center of gravity is prone to "tip over" to one
degree or another. However, much of this rollover carping is from greens who
hope people won't buy SUVs and thus won't go off road. They want to close
all off road trails so they can have all public land to themselves.
>How is jeep's record on this? <
Jeeps are actually better than most in this regard, but again, it depends on
the driver.
> Reliability : How reliable is Liberty? <
Consumer Reports rates it average, which is rather difficult to define but
probably good.
> I am going to use it only to commute to and from work and may be some
camping. Strictly no rock climbing or extreme off roading of any sort. <
Good thing, because it's not a very capable rig off-road. Strictly for
forest trails, etc. Its IFS design inhibits wheel travel and thus hobbles
it. Indeed, among veteran Jeepers it's not even considered a "Jeep".
> If you give Honda a reliability rating of 10 and a Ford a reliability
rating of 4 how would you rate Liberty? ( Remember no offroading). <
Tough on Ford, wouldn't you say? (They actually do much better than you
think.)
This is an intangible, it's going to depend upon how you drive & maintain
it, but I would not put it in the Honda category, in fact I wouldn't put the
newer Hondas in the Honda category!
> Does the parts start malfunctioning after a couple of years? (I hear
Nissan Xterra has this problem )>
Never heard this about the Xterra, quite the contrary. Again, it's too new
to know how it will hold up long term.
> I am a novice in autos. What is the deal with independent front suspension
and solid rear axle? How does it affect comfort and reliability? <
IFS suspensions are designed to improve on-highway ride, solid axles are
better off road. Solid rear axles can theoretically handle greater loads and
allow more wheel travel in rough terrain.
On a "Jeep" and independent suspension is a travesty.
Many of us have no idea what DC was thinking with the Liberty, other than to
have a "cute ute" to sell. It's got less interior room than the old
Cherokee, is less competent off road and even looks kind of stupid. If they
roll out more models similar to the Liberty Jeep stands to fall flat on its
face. It's really intended to be a "chick-mobile", which is not where
anything called a "Jeep" belongs.
11-20-2003, 10:43 AM
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
I am sorry if I offended your feeling by giving Ford a low rating. I
owned a Ford Taurus for a couple of years and I had to spent a hell a
lot of money to keep it running.
Please let me know what you think about Jeep Liberty
L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:<3FBC5EAD.301A500F@***.net>...
> Paul, you and a Honda deserve each other.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Paul Thomas wrote:
> ><snip babble comparing Honda with an American Ford>
owned a Ford Taurus for a couple of years and I had to spent a hell a
lot of money to keep it running.
Please let me know what you think about Jeep Liberty
L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:<3FBC5EAD.301A500F@***.net>...
> Paul, you and a Honda deserve each other.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Paul Thomas wrote:
> ><snip babble comparing Honda with an American Ford>
11-20-2003, 10:43 AM
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
I am sorry if I offended your feeling by giving Ford a low rating. I
owned a Ford Taurus for a couple of years and I had to spent a hell a
lot of money to keep it running.
Please let me know what you think about Jeep Liberty
L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:<3FBC5EAD.301A500F@***.net>...
> Paul, you and a Honda deserve each other.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Paul Thomas wrote:
> ><snip babble comparing Honda with an American Ford>
owned a Ford Taurus for a couple of years and I had to spent a hell a
lot of money to keep it running.
Please let me know what you think about Jeep Liberty
L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:<3FBC5EAD.301A500F@***.net>...
> Paul, you and a Honda deserve each other.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Paul Thomas wrote:
> ><snip babble comparing Honda with an American Ford>
11-20-2003, 10:43 AM
#16
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
I am sorry if I offended your feeling by giving Ford a low rating. I
owned a Ford Taurus for a couple of years and I had to spent a hell a
lot of money to keep it running.
Please let me know what you think about Jeep Liberty
L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:<3FBC5EAD.301A500F@***.net>...
> Paul, you and a Honda deserve each other.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Paul Thomas wrote:
> ><snip babble comparing Honda with an American Ford>
owned a Ford Taurus for a couple of years and I had to spent a hell a
lot of money to keep it running.
Please let me know what you think about Jeep Liberty
L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:<3FBC5EAD.301A500F@***.net>...
> Paul, you and a Honda deserve each other.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Paul Thomas wrote:
> ><snip babble comparing Honda with an American Ford>
11-20-2003, 10:52 AM
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
Jerry McGeorge wrote:
> IFS suspensions are designed to improve on-highway ride, solid axles are
> better off road. Solid rear axles can theoretically handle greater loads and
> allow more wheel travel in rough terrain.
I can accept the "greater loads" part of your comments, but I don't agree with
(or at least understand) the part about "greater travel." I know this is often
claimed, but the only web site that made the case was so full of holes as to be
useless. Maybe you can explain it to me. I believe that a properly designed IRS
can have more ground clearance that a solid axle design. Unfortunately
retrofitting such a system is difficult and expensive. In the context of the
original question, why do you think the Liberties IFS is worse than the
Cherokee's beam axle as long as both remain unmodified?
> On a "Jeep" and independent suspension is a travesty.
>
> Many of us have no idea what DC was thinking with the Liberty, other than to
> have a "cute ute" to sell. It's got less interior room than the old
> Cherokee, is less competent off road and even looks kind of stupid. If they
> roll out more models similar to the Liberty Jeep stands to fall flat on its
> face. It's really intended to be a "chick-mobile", which is not where
> anything called a "Jeep" belongs.
Ever see a Jeepster?
Ed
11-20-2003, 10:52 AM
#18
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
Jerry McGeorge wrote:
> IFS suspensions are designed to improve on-highway ride, solid axles are
> better off road. Solid rear axles can theoretically handle greater loads and
> allow more wheel travel in rough terrain.
I can accept the "greater loads" part of your comments, but I don't agree with
(or at least understand) the part about "greater travel." I know this is often
claimed, but the only web site that made the case was so full of holes as to be
useless. Maybe you can explain it to me. I believe that a properly designed IRS
can have more ground clearance that a solid axle design. Unfortunately
retrofitting such a system is difficult and expensive. In the context of the
original question, why do you think the Liberties IFS is worse than the
Cherokee's beam axle as long as both remain unmodified?
> On a "Jeep" and independent suspension is a travesty.
>
> Many of us have no idea what DC was thinking with the Liberty, other than to
> have a "cute ute" to sell. It's got less interior room than the old
> Cherokee, is less competent off road and even looks kind of stupid. If they
> roll out more models similar to the Liberty Jeep stands to fall flat on its
> face. It's really intended to be a "chick-mobile", which is not where
> anything called a "Jeep" belongs.
Ever see a Jeepster?
Ed
11-20-2003, 10:52 AM
#19
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
Jerry McGeorge wrote:
> IFS suspensions are designed to improve on-highway ride, solid axles are
> better off road. Solid rear axles can theoretically handle greater loads and
> allow more wheel travel in rough terrain.
I can accept the "greater loads" part of your comments, but I don't agree with
(or at least understand) the part about "greater travel." I know this is often
claimed, but the only web site that made the case was so full of holes as to be
useless. Maybe you can explain it to me. I believe that a properly designed IRS
can have more ground clearance that a solid axle design. Unfortunately
retrofitting such a system is difficult and expensive. In the context of the
original question, why do you think the Liberties IFS is worse than the
Cherokee's beam axle as long as both remain unmodified?
> On a "Jeep" and independent suspension is a travesty.
>
> Many of us have no idea what DC was thinking with the Liberty, other than to
> have a "cute ute" to sell. It's got less interior room than the old
> Cherokee, is less competent off road and even looks kind of stupid. If they
> roll out more models similar to the Liberty Jeep stands to fall flat on its
> face. It's really intended to be a "chick-mobile", which is not where
> anything called a "Jeep" belongs.
Ever see a Jeepster?
Ed
11-20-2003, 11:24 AM
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
Paul
Try this site for vehicle bodywork integrity..
http://www.crashtest.com/jeep/ie.htm
Any vehicle if driven either on or past its limits will be unsafe.. one
would assume that the differences in general handling between a Ferrari
Modena 360 and an SUV would be fairly obvious, yet some still choose to
drive their SUV in a manner more befitting the Ferrari..
Vehicle reliability is down to quality of parts and regular maintenance..
glancing through user reviews will often leave you wondering whether or not
to make a particular purchase.. some seem to have bad luck by the truckload,
and others do not.. there is an element of luck involved, quality control
not always being the highest priority at all times during initial
construction..
The Jeep Liberty may not be all that a 'real' Jeep should be, but if you
like the look of it, and feel that it would service you well, then go ahead
and purchase one.. and remember that there is nothing in the 'rule book'
that enforces all Jeep drivers to be off-roaders.. rock crawling and
following Hannibal's original route across the Alps is not for everybody..
--
History is only the past if we choose to do nothing about it..
"Paul Thomas" <Paul.Thomas2@cingular.com> wrote in message
news:8f958472.0311192211.e8cddbb@posting.google.co m...
> I am thinking of buying a Jeep Liberty. There had been a lot of
> discussion about this SUV in the newsgroups. I understand overall it
> is a pretty good vehicle. There are a couple of things about liberty
> that I would like to know. Safety and Reliability.
>
> Safety : How safe is it? I am new to SUVs and I hear that SUVs are
> vulnerable to tip over. How is jeep's record on this? How about other
> safety features?
>
>
> Reliability : How reliable is Liberty? I am going to use it only to
> commute to and from work and may be some camping. Strictly no rock
> climbing or extreme off roading of any sort. If you give Honda a
> reliability rating of 10 and a Ford a reliability rating of 4 how
> would you rate Liberty? ( Remember no offroading). Does the parts
> start malfunctioning after a couple of years? (I hear Nissan Xterra
> has this problem )
>
>
> I am a novice in autos. What is the deal with independent front
> suspension and solid rear axle? How does it affect comfort and
> reliability?
>
> Thank you all for your help,
>
> Paul Thomas
Try this site for vehicle bodywork integrity..
http://www.crashtest.com/jeep/ie.htm
Any vehicle if driven either on or past its limits will be unsafe.. one
would assume that the differences in general handling between a Ferrari
Modena 360 and an SUV would be fairly obvious, yet some still choose to
drive their SUV in a manner more befitting the Ferrari..
Vehicle reliability is down to quality of parts and regular maintenance..
glancing through user reviews will often leave you wondering whether or not
to make a particular purchase.. some seem to have bad luck by the truckload,
and others do not.. there is an element of luck involved, quality control
not always being the highest priority at all times during initial
construction..
The Jeep Liberty may not be all that a 'real' Jeep should be, but if you
like the look of it, and feel that it would service you well, then go ahead
and purchase one.. and remember that there is nothing in the 'rule book'
that enforces all Jeep drivers to be off-roaders.. rock crawling and
following Hannibal's original route across the Alps is not for everybody..
--
History is only the past if we choose to do nothing about it..
"Paul Thomas" <Paul.Thomas2@cingular.com> wrote in message
news:8f958472.0311192211.e8cddbb@posting.google.co m...
> I am thinking of buying a Jeep Liberty. There had been a lot of
> discussion about this SUV in the newsgroups. I understand overall it
> is a pretty good vehicle. There are a couple of things about liberty
> that I would like to know. Safety and Reliability.
>
> Safety : How safe is it? I am new to SUVs and I hear that SUVs are
> vulnerable to tip over. How is jeep's record on this? How about other
> safety features?
>
>
> Reliability : How reliable is Liberty? I am going to use it only to
> commute to and from work and may be some camping. Strictly no rock
> climbing or extreme off roading of any sort. If you give Honda a
> reliability rating of 10 and a Ford a reliability rating of 4 how
> would you rate Liberty? ( Remember no offroading). Does the parts
> start malfunctioning after a couple of years? (I hear Nissan Xterra
> has this problem )
>
>
> I am a novice in autos. What is the deal with independent front
> suspension and solid rear axle? How does it affect comfort and
> reliability?
>
> Thank you all for your help,
>
> Paul Thomas