Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
 

TJim wrote:
>
> Pure bullsh*t.
>
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
 

> Pure bullsh*t.<

Indeed, the later model YJs, XJs, and TJs are extraordinarily reliable
vehicles. 200k miles on a moderately maintained Cherokee or YJ is not
unusual at all, and TJs seem to run like a top forever.

Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
 

> Pure bullsh*t.<

Indeed, the later model YJs, XJs, and TJs are extraordinarily reliable
vehicles. 200k miles on a moderately maintained Cherokee or YJ is not
unusual at all, and TJs seem to run like a top forever.

Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
 

> Pure bullsh*t.<

Indeed, the later model YJs, XJs, and TJs are extraordinarily reliable
vehicles. 200k miles on a moderately maintained Cherokee or YJ is not
unusual at all, and TJs seem to run like a top forever.

Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
 

"Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message news:<0BUvb.5050$dl.675428@twister.southeast.rr.co m>...
> "John Welch" <jcwelch@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> news:13efcc39.0311221306.6f6514dd@posting.google.c om...
> > Liberty and
> > Wrangler are pretty much evenly matched off road - stock
Stock, dude, did you get that part, it is a stock (including stock
tires) wrangler.
>
> youve never truly tested the capabilities of your wrangler.
I work for Halliburton, not DC. I have a Liberty, a Wrangler, and a
Willys pick up, and Ford 600 tractor, 50 head of cattle and 200+ acres
of land to keep an eye on. In the past, I have had a Willys forward
control. Getting a jeep stuck is something (my wife thinks) I am
pretty good at. As a consequense, I know a little bit about
un-sticking one of them.

I planted this Wrangler down to the frame in mud on the way to the
beaver dam back Christmas of 01. My wife, her sister and wife's
brother in law were passengers and got to watch the festivities.
Having to call Grandmother on the cell phone to bring a tractor and a
winch pretty much demonstrates the limits of a (stock, get that part
through your head) wrangler.

Now, like I said, Me and the wife and the 49 Willys (a real Jeep) beat
the tulies all over south western Montana back in 80. Since then we
have had all kinds of fun all kinds of places. For what it is worth,
the Willys probablly would not have made it through there either.

Now on the other hand, fording the creek to get into the east pasture
is a decent chalenge and a fair place to do a head to head comparison.
It is 12+ feet deep, a mix of loose sand, mud, and big ruts that you
have to pick the right line through to keep from high centering. It
is just down and up, but it is a good place to make girls squeal. I
drive both the liberty and the wrangler through there all the time to
check on the cows. The liberty is a much more pleasant, secure ride.
I think that it is all to do with the difference between selectrac on
the Liberty as opposed to command trac on the Wrangler rather than ifs
vs solid axel. I am sure it is not the Liberty's sun roof, but it
might be the butt warmer.

I am starting to wonder though, am I the only one in this news group
that has taken a Liberty off road? Mine is still pretty new and wife
is quite possesive of it, but once the new wears off I aim to put
750-16 Farm Bureau mud tires all the way round on it and lock at least
the rear and then start having a little 'real fun'.

Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
 

"Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message news:<0BUvb.5050$dl.675428@twister.southeast.rr.co m>...
> "John Welch" <jcwelch@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> news:13efcc39.0311221306.6f6514dd@posting.google.c om...
> > Liberty and
> > Wrangler are pretty much evenly matched off road - stock
Stock, dude, did you get that part, it is a stock (including stock
tires) wrangler.
>
> youve never truly tested the capabilities of your wrangler.
I work for Halliburton, not DC. I have a Liberty, a Wrangler, and a
Willys pick up, and Ford 600 tractor, 50 head of cattle and 200+ acres
of land to keep an eye on. In the past, I have had a Willys forward
control. Getting a jeep stuck is something (my wife thinks) I am
pretty good at. As a consequense, I know a little bit about
un-sticking one of them.

I planted this Wrangler down to the frame in mud on the way to the
beaver dam back Christmas of 01. My wife, her sister and wife's
brother in law were passengers and got to watch the festivities.
Having to call Grandmother on the cell phone to bring a tractor and a
winch pretty much demonstrates the limits of a (stock, get that part
through your head) wrangler.

Now, like I said, Me and the wife and the 49 Willys (a real Jeep) beat
the tulies all over south western Montana back in 80. Since then we
have had all kinds of fun all kinds of places. For what it is worth,
the Willys probablly would not have made it through there either.

Now on the other hand, fording the creek to get into the east pasture
is a decent chalenge and a fair place to do a head to head comparison.
It is 12+ feet deep, a mix of loose sand, mud, and big ruts that you
have to pick the right line through to keep from high centering. It
is just down and up, but it is a good place to make girls squeal. I
drive both the liberty and the wrangler through there all the time to
check on the cows. The liberty is a much more pleasant, secure ride.
I think that it is all to do with the difference between selectrac on
the Liberty as opposed to command trac on the Wrangler rather than ifs
vs solid axel. I am sure it is not the Liberty's sun roof, but it
might be the butt warmer.

I am starting to wonder though, am I the only one in this news group
that has taken a Liberty off road? Mine is still pretty new and wife
is quite possesive of it, but once the new wears off I aim to put
750-16 Farm Bureau mud tires all the way round on it and lock at least
the rear and then start having a little 'real fun'.

Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
 

"Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message news:<0BUvb.5050$dl.675428@twister.southeast.rr.co m>...
> "John Welch" <jcwelch@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> news:13efcc39.0311221306.6f6514dd@posting.google.c om...
> > Liberty and
> > Wrangler are pretty much evenly matched off road - stock
Stock, dude, did you get that part, it is a stock (including stock
tires) wrangler.
>
> youve never truly tested the capabilities of your wrangler.
I work for Halliburton, not DC. I have a Liberty, a Wrangler, and a
Willys pick up, and Ford 600 tractor, 50 head of cattle and 200+ acres
of land to keep an eye on. In the past, I have had a Willys forward
control. Getting a jeep stuck is something (my wife thinks) I am
pretty good at. As a consequense, I know a little bit about
un-sticking one of them.

I planted this Wrangler down to the frame in mud on the way to the
beaver dam back Christmas of 01. My wife, her sister and wife's
brother in law were passengers and got to watch the festivities.
Having to call Grandmother on the cell phone to bring a tractor and a
winch pretty much demonstrates the limits of a (stock, get that part
through your head) wrangler.

Now, like I said, Me and the wife and the 49 Willys (a real Jeep) beat
the tulies all over south western Montana back in 80. Since then we
have had all kinds of fun all kinds of places. For what it is worth,
the Willys probablly would not have made it through there either.

Now on the other hand, fording the creek to get into the east pasture
is a decent chalenge and a fair place to do a head to head comparison.
It is 12+ feet deep, a mix of loose sand, mud, and big ruts that you
have to pick the right line through to keep from high centering. It
is just down and up, but it is a good place to make girls squeal. I
drive both the liberty and the wrangler through there all the time to
check on the cows. The liberty is a much more pleasant, secure ride.
I think that it is all to do with the difference between selectrac on
the Liberty as opposed to command trac on the Wrangler rather than ifs
vs solid axel. I am sure it is not the Liberty's sun roof, but it
might be the butt warmer.

I am starting to wonder though, am I the only one in this news group
that has taken a Liberty off road? Mine is still pretty new and wife
is quite possesive of it, but once the new wears off I aim to put
750-16 Farm Bureau mud tires all the way round on it and lock at least
the rear and then start having a little 'real fun'.

Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
 

"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> wrote in message news:<bpqkcj02i0b@enews1.newsguy.com>...
> > Pure bullsh*t.<
>
> Indeed, the later model YJs, XJs, and TJs are extraordinarily reliable
> vehicles. 200k miles on a moderately maintained Cherokee or YJ is not
> unusual at all, and TJs seem to run like a top forever.
I sure hope so. I agonized with the wife over the decision to
resurect the wrangler after daughter with the purple hair totaled it.
I need 80k of daily driven miles to see the kids through thier
schooling. I am hopeful that the wrangler will hold up as well a
willys.

Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
 

"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> wrote in message news:<bpqkcj02i0b@enews1.newsguy.com>...
> > Pure bullsh*t.<
>
> Indeed, the later model YJs, XJs, and TJs are extraordinarily reliable
> vehicles. 200k miles on a moderately maintained Cherokee or YJ is not
> unusual at all, and TJs seem to run like a top forever.
I sure hope so. I agonized with the wife over the decision to
resurect the wrangler after daughter with the purple hair totaled it.
I need 80k of daily driven miles to see the kids through thier
schooling. I am hopeful that the wrangler will hold up as well a
willys.

Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
 

"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> wrote in message news:<bpqkcj02i0b@enews1.newsguy.com>...
> > Pure bullsh*t.<
>
> Indeed, the later model YJs, XJs, and TJs are extraordinarily reliable
> vehicles. 200k miles on a moderately maintained Cherokee or YJ is not
> unusual at all, and TJs seem to run like a top forever.
I sure hope so. I agonized with the wife over the decision to
resurect the wrangler after daughter with the purple hair totaled it.
I need 80k of daily driven miles to see the kids through thier
schooling. I am hopeful that the wrangler will hold up as well a
willys.