Jeep Engine Stalls Just After Startup
08-26-2004, 02:24 PM
#101
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Re: Jeep Engine Stalls Just After Startup
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 06:16:48 UTC Chuck Rowe <none@fakeisp.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:38:19 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> > Yup.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >Chuck Rowe wrote:
> >>
> >> But doesn't' the fact that I'm having no cranking problem steer the
> >> possible cause away from the battery?
>
> Well, that being the case, I guess I'm stumped. I cleaned the TBA,
> including IAP less than 2500 miles ago. I want to say that cleaning
> helped for a little while, but things are deteriorating again.
>
> Aside from the simple spraying of the TBA and maybe a little
> toothbrush assist, is there anything else I might try.
>
> Thanks in advance for all of your responses!!
If one cleaning seemed to work but the problem returned fairly quickly
you might want to have a looked at the crankcase ventilation system.
See if you are getting a significant amount of oil blown into the air
filter - if so, then the fumes from that will re-coat the throttle
body pretty quickly.
You asked later about pulling the IAC - unplug the connector, two
screws, and slide it out. DO NOT TURN THE IGNITION ON WHILE IT'S OUT
- it will spray parts across the garage (I know, and it a b!@#$ to get
back together!). Then clean the shaft and the pintle (the end of the
thing) with cleaner. Before you put it back, clean the port it sits
in from the outside as well as from the top of the throttle body.
That hole doesn't seem to clean very well with everything in place.
You should need no adjustment - just put it back. I usually use a
very thin coating of (sensor safe) RTV on the gasket to prevent leaks.
--
Will Honea
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:38:19 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> > Yup.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >Chuck Rowe wrote:
> >>
> >> But doesn't' the fact that I'm having no cranking problem steer the
> >> possible cause away from the battery?
>
> Well, that being the case, I guess I'm stumped. I cleaned the TBA,
> including IAP less than 2500 miles ago. I want to say that cleaning
> helped for a little while, but things are deteriorating again.
>
> Aside from the simple spraying of the TBA and maybe a little
> toothbrush assist, is there anything else I might try.
>
> Thanks in advance for all of your responses!!
If one cleaning seemed to work but the problem returned fairly quickly
you might want to have a looked at the crankcase ventilation system.
See if you are getting a significant amount of oil blown into the air
filter - if so, then the fumes from that will re-coat the throttle
body pretty quickly.
You asked later about pulling the IAC - unplug the connector, two
screws, and slide it out. DO NOT TURN THE IGNITION ON WHILE IT'S OUT
- it will spray parts across the garage (I know, and it a b!@#$ to get
back together!). Then clean the shaft and the pintle (the end of the
thing) with cleaner. Before you put it back, clean the port it sits
in from the outside as well as from the top of the throttle body.
That hole doesn't seem to clean very well with everything in place.
You should need no adjustment - just put it back. I usually use a
very thin coating of (sensor safe) RTV on the gasket to prevent leaks.
--
Will Honea
08-26-2004, 02:24 PM
#102
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Re: Jeep Engine Stalls Just After Startup
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 06:16:48 UTC Chuck Rowe <none@fakeisp.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:38:19 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> > Yup.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >Chuck Rowe wrote:
> >>
> >> But doesn't' the fact that I'm having no cranking problem steer the
> >> possible cause away from the battery?
>
> Well, that being the case, I guess I'm stumped. I cleaned the TBA,
> including IAP less than 2500 miles ago. I want to say that cleaning
> helped for a little while, but things are deteriorating again.
>
> Aside from the simple spraying of the TBA and maybe a little
> toothbrush assist, is there anything else I might try.
>
> Thanks in advance for all of your responses!!
If one cleaning seemed to work but the problem returned fairly quickly
you might want to have a looked at the crankcase ventilation system.
See if you are getting a significant amount of oil blown into the air
filter - if so, then the fumes from that will re-coat the throttle
body pretty quickly.
You asked later about pulling the IAC - unplug the connector, two
screws, and slide it out. DO NOT TURN THE IGNITION ON WHILE IT'S OUT
- it will spray parts across the garage (I know, and it a b!@#$ to get
back together!). Then clean the shaft and the pintle (the end of the
thing) with cleaner. Before you put it back, clean the port it sits
in from the outside as well as from the top of the throttle body.
That hole doesn't seem to clean very well with everything in place.
You should need no adjustment - just put it back. I usually use a
very thin coating of (sensor safe) RTV on the gasket to prevent leaks.
--
Will Honea
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:38:19 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> > Yup.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >Chuck Rowe wrote:
> >>
> >> But doesn't' the fact that I'm having no cranking problem steer the
> >> possible cause away from the battery?
>
> Well, that being the case, I guess I'm stumped. I cleaned the TBA,
> including IAP less than 2500 miles ago. I want to say that cleaning
> helped for a little while, but things are deteriorating again.
>
> Aside from the simple spraying of the TBA and maybe a little
> toothbrush assist, is there anything else I might try.
>
> Thanks in advance for all of your responses!!
If one cleaning seemed to work but the problem returned fairly quickly
you might want to have a looked at the crankcase ventilation system.
See if you are getting a significant amount of oil blown into the air
filter - if so, then the fumes from that will re-coat the throttle
body pretty quickly.
You asked later about pulling the IAC - unplug the connector, two
screws, and slide it out. DO NOT TURN THE IGNITION ON WHILE IT'S OUT
- it will spray parts across the garage (I know, and it a b!@#$ to get
back together!). Then clean the shaft and the pintle (the end of the
thing) with cleaner. Before you put it back, clean the port it sits
in from the outside as well as from the top of the throttle body.
That hole doesn't seem to clean very well with everything in place.
You should need no adjustment - just put it back. I usually use a
very thin coating of (sensor safe) RTV on the gasket to prevent leaks.
--
Will Honea
08-26-2004, 02:24 PM
#103
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Re: Jeep Engine Stalls Just After Startup
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 06:16:48 UTC Chuck Rowe <none@fakeisp.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:38:19 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> > Yup.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >Chuck Rowe wrote:
> >>
> >> But doesn't' the fact that I'm having no cranking problem steer the
> >> possible cause away from the battery?
>
> Well, that being the case, I guess I'm stumped. I cleaned the TBA,
> including IAP less than 2500 miles ago. I want to say that cleaning
> helped for a little while, but things are deteriorating again.
>
> Aside from the simple spraying of the TBA and maybe a little
> toothbrush assist, is there anything else I might try.
>
> Thanks in advance for all of your responses!!
If one cleaning seemed to work but the problem returned fairly quickly
you might want to have a looked at the crankcase ventilation system.
See if you are getting a significant amount of oil blown into the air
filter - if so, then the fumes from that will re-coat the throttle
body pretty quickly.
You asked later about pulling the IAC - unplug the connector, two
screws, and slide it out. DO NOT TURN THE IGNITION ON WHILE IT'S OUT
- it will spray parts across the garage (I know, and it a b!@#$ to get
back together!). Then clean the shaft and the pintle (the end of the
thing) with cleaner. Before you put it back, clean the port it sits
in from the outside as well as from the top of the throttle body.
That hole doesn't seem to clean very well with everything in place.
You should need no adjustment - just put it back. I usually use a
very thin coating of (sensor safe) RTV on the gasket to prevent leaks.
--
Will Honea
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:38:19 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> > Yup.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >Chuck Rowe wrote:
> >>
> >> But doesn't' the fact that I'm having no cranking problem steer the
> >> possible cause away from the battery?
>
> Well, that being the case, I guess I'm stumped. I cleaned the TBA,
> including IAP less than 2500 miles ago. I want to say that cleaning
> helped for a little while, but things are deteriorating again.
>
> Aside from the simple spraying of the TBA and maybe a little
> toothbrush assist, is there anything else I might try.
>
> Thanks in advance for all of your responses!!
If one cleaning seemed to work but the problem returned fairly quickly
you might want to have a looked at the crankcase ventilation system.
See if you are getting a significant amount of oil blown into the air
filter - if so, then the fumes from that will re-coat the throttle
body pretty quickly.
You asked later about pulling the IAC - unplug the connector, two
screws, and slide it out. DO NOT TURN THE IGNITION ON WHILE IT'S OUT
- it will spray parts across the garage (I know, and it a b!@#$ to get
back together!). Then clean the shaft and the pintle (the end of the
thing) with cleaner. Before you put it back, clean the port it sits
in from the outside as well as from the top of the throttle body.
That hole doesn't seem to clean very well with everything in place.
You should need no adjustment - just put it back. I usually use a
very thin coating of (sensor safe) RTV on the gasket to prevent leaks.
--
Will Honea
08-26-2004, 02:53 PM
#104
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Re: Jeep Engine Stalls Just After Startup
Take doodad # 2 off the throttle body, you'll find black carbon
soot to clean of the worm and slide valve.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Chuck Rowe wrote:
>
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:35:05 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> > Do the same to your idle step motor, that and the computer are what
> >actually controls the engine speed and the valve frequently is jammed
> >with carbon: http://members.***.net/wilsond/tb/tb.html
>
> doo-dad #2 is the Idle Air Motor (53007562)
>
> Is that what you're referring to? Do I just clean the electrical
> contacts or is it necessary to remove the whole unit? If so, how
> dangerous is this for a relative amatuer mechanic?
soot to clean of the worm and slide valve.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Chuck Rowe wrote:
>
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:35:05 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> > Do the same to your idle step motor, that and the computer are what
> >actually controls the engine speed and the valve frequently is jammed
> >with carbon: http://members.***.net/wilsond/tb/tb.html
>
> doo-dad #2 is the Idle Air Motor (53007562)
>
> Is that what you're referring to? Do I just clean the electrical
> contacts or is it necessary to remove the whole unit? If so, how
> dangerous is this for a relative amatuer mechanic?
08-26-2004, 02:53 PM
#105
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Re: Jeep Engine Stalls Just After Startup
Take doodad # 2 off the throttle body, you'll find black carbon
soot to clean of the worm and slide valve.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Chuck Rowe wrote:
>
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:35:05 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> > Do the same to your idle step motor, that and the computer are what
> >actually controls the engine speed and the valve frequently is jammed
> >with carbon: http://members.***.net/wilsond/tb/tb.html
>
> doo-dad #2 is the Idle Air Motor (53007562)
>
> Is that what you're referring to? Do I just clean the electrical
> contacts or is it necessary to remove the whole unit? If so, how
> dangerous is this for a relative amatuer mechanic?
soot to clean of the worm and slide valve.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Chuck Rowe wrote:
>
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:35:05 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> > Do the same to your idle step motor, that and the computer are what
> >actually controls the engine speed and the valve frequently is jammed
> >with carbon: http://members.***.net/wilsond/tb/tb.html
>
> doo-dad #2 is the Idle Air Motor (53007562)
>
> Is that what you're referring to? Do I just clean the electrical
> contacts or is it necessary to remove the whole unit? If so, how
> dangerous is this for a relative amatuer mechanic?
08-26-2004, 02:53 PM
#106
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Re: Jeep Engine Stalls Just After Startup
Take doodad # 2 off the throttle body, you'll find black carbon
soot to clean of the worm and slide valve.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Chuck Rowe wrote:
>
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:35:05 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> > Do the same to your idle step motor, that and the computer are what
> >actually controls the engine speed and the valve frequently is jammed
> >with carbon: http://members.***.net/wilsond/tb/tb.html
>
> doo-dad #2 is the Idle Air Motor (53007562)
>
> Is that what you're referring to? Do I just clean the electrical
> contacts or is it necessary to remove the whole unit? If so, how
> dangerous is this for a relative amatuer mechanic?
soot to clean of the worm and slide valve.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Chuck Rowe wrote:
>
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:35:05 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> > Do the same to your idle step motor, that and the computer are what
> >actually controls the engine speed and the valve frequently is jammed
> >with carbon: http://members.***.net/wilsond/tb/tb.html
>
> doo-dad #2 is the Idle Air Motor (53007562)
>
> Is that what you're referring to? Do I just clean the electrical
> contacts or is it necessary to remove the whole unit? If so, how
> dangerous is this for a relative amatuer mechanic?
08-26-2004, 02:59 PM
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Re: Jeep Engine Stalls Just After Startup
Yes, I deleted, my post once I saw the they had added a miniature
gravity tester. That wasn't there during my hay day, as the Delco
batteries died we just used the water level indicator in other batteries
for looks.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Lowe wrote:
>
> Follow the link Bill: http://www.itwdelpro.com/battery.html
> There are diagrams of how it works. There is more to it than just the pointy
> plastic rod.
gravity tester. That wasn't there during my hay day, as the Delco
batteries died we just used the water level indicator in other batteries
for looks.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Lowe wrote:
>
> Follow the link Bill: http://www.itwdelpro.com/battery.html
> There are diagrams of how it works. There is more to it than just the pointy
> plastic rod.
08-26-2004, 02:59 PM
#108
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Re: Jeep Engine Stalls Just After Startup
Yes, I deleted, my post once I saw the they had added a miniature
gravity tester. That wasn't there during my hay day, as the Delco
batteries died we just used the water level indicator in other batteries
for looks.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Lowe wrote:
>
> Follow the link Bill: http://www.itwdelpro.com/battery.html
> There are diagrams of how it works. There is more to it than just the pointy
> plastic rod.
gravity tester. That wasn't there during my hay day, as the Delco
batteries died we just used the water level indicator in other batteries
for looks.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Lowe wrote:
>
> Follow the link Bill: http://www.itwdelpro.com/battery.html
> There are diagrams of how it works. There is more to it than just the pointy
> plastic rod.
08-26-2004, 02:59 PM
#109
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Re: Jeep Engine Stalls Just After Startup
Yes, I deleted, my post once I saw the they had added a miniature
gravity tester. That wasn't there during my hay day, as the Delco
batteries died we just used the water level indicator in other batteries
for looks.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Lowe wrote:
>
> Follow the link Bill: http://www.itwdelpro.com/battery.html
> There are diagrams of how it works. There is more to it than just the pointy
> plastic rod.
gravity tester. That wasn't there during my hay day, as the Delco
batteries died we just used the water level indicator in other batteries
for looks.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Lowe wrote:
>
> Follow the link Bill: http://www.itwdelpro.com/battery.html
> There are diagrams of how it works. There is more to it than just the pointy
> plastic rod.
08-26-2004, 10:46 PM
#110
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Re: Jeep Engine Stalls Just After Startup
idle air control motor is going bad
Chuck Rowe wrote:
> But doesn't' the fact that I'm having no cranking problem steer the
> possible cause away from the battery?
>
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:07:57 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >I had a delco with a green eye and still had 0 volts across the
> >terminals.
Chuck Rowe wrote:
> But doesn't' the fact that I'm having no cranking problem steer the
> possible cause away from the battery?
>
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:07:57 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >I had a delco with a green eye and still had 0 volts across the
> >terminals.