L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Except, that is the problem, probably about one hundred percent of
the time, with a weak starter.
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Steve Foley wrote:
>
> You just can't resist mentioning that one, can you :)

FrankW

Ah-ha!
That's the problem, You got it from Crappy Tire :-)
My older Jeep (88YJ) I had to replace the starter every year
Just after the warranty was over, in February. :-(

B Pilon wrote:
> Thanks,
>
> Tonight, I will clean the cables first and if it doesn't work I will go to
> Crappy Tire (as you said) for a free test and also because I bought it there
> and it's still on warranty.
>
> So it will be a greasy evening.
>
>
>
> Bruno
>
>
> "Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:gtT6e.2853$8i6.240098@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>
>>After you try Mikes cable cleaning, if the problem persists I would
>>consider pulling the starter and taking to Crappy Tire and have them bench
>>test it (its free), it sounds like a bad starter solenoid, it could
>>however be as simple as dirt and rust build up on the solenoid
>>connections.
>>
>>Snow...
>>
>>"B Pilon" <bblancha@rncan.gc.ca> wrote in message
>>news:d3gjbr$qp412@nrn2b.NRCan.gc.ca...
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I have a 87 Comanche 4X4 with the inline 6, 270 000Km (162 000mi) no air
>>>conditioning and a lot of rust :).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The truck didn't want to start Sunday morning. When turning the ignition
>>>the starter made the tic tic tic tic tic tic sound. Tried almost 15 times
>>>with the same result. I hooked the power pack on the battery and the
>>>truck started just fine. Went shopping, and I had to hook the power pack
>>>again to restart it. When I arrived home I cleaned the battery terminal
>>>connections (but they were fine). The battery was 8 months old, the
>>>starter (rebuild) is 7 months old, the alternator is 1.5 month old and
>>>the ignition switch is less than 3 months old. So because I found
>>>corrosion near one of the battery cap, I went to Costco and had the
>>>battery replaced for a new one. The truck started just fine so I was very
>>>happy.
>>>
>>>Had no problem Sunday evening and Monday during the day.
>>>
>>>Yesterday evening, the same problem happened again so I needed the power
>>>pack to start the vehicle. And since yesterday, it's the only way to
>>>start it.
>>>
>>>I checked the voltage of the battery posts before starting (±12.45 V) and
>>>after starting (with the power pack removed) (±14.45 V).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I phoned the mechanic garage and they said it is probably the starter
>>>that needs to much power to be able to start.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I need your help on that one
>>>
>>>Do you know what could be the problem?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Bruno,
>>>
>>>Ottawa area, Canada
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

FrankW

Ah-ha!
That's the problem, You got it from Crappy Tire :-)
My older Jeep (88YJ) I had to replace the starter every year
Just after the warranty was over, in February. :-(

B Pilon wrote:
> Thanks,
>
> Tonight, I will clean the cables first and if it doesn't work I will go to
> Crappy Tire (as you said) for a free test and also because I bought it there
> and it's still on warranty.
>
> So it will be a greasy evening.
>
>
>
> Bruno
>
>
> "Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:gtT6e.2853$8i6.240098@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>
>>After you try Mikes cable cleaning, if the problem persists I would
>>consider pulling the starter and taking to Crappy Tire and have them bench
>>test it (its free), it sounds like a bad starter solenoid, it could
>>however be as simple as dirt and rust build up on the solenoid
>>connections.
>>
>>Snow...
>>
>>"B Pilon" <bblancha@rncan.gc.ca> wrote in message
>>news:d3gjbr$qp412@nrn2b.NRCan.gc.ca...
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I have a 87 Comanche 4X4 with the inline 6, 270 000Km (162 000mi) no air
>>>conditioning and a lot of rust :).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The truck didn't want to start Sunday morning. When turning the ignition
>>>the starter made the tic tic tic tic tic tic sound. Tried almost 15 times
>>>with the same result. I hooked the power pack on the battery and the
>>>truck started just fine. Went shopping, and I had to hook the power pack
>>>again to restart it. When I arrived home I cleaned the battery terminal
>>>connections (but they were fine). The battery was 8 months old, the
>>>starter (rebuild) is 7 months old, the alternator is 1.5 month old and
>>>the ignition switch is less than 3 months old. So because I found
>>>corrosion near one of the battery cap, I went to Costco and had the
>>>battery replaced for a new one. The truck started just fine so I was very
>>>happy.
>>>
>>>Had no problem Sunday evening and Monday during the day.
>>>
>>>Yesterday evening, the same problem happened again so I needed the power
>>>pack to start the vehicle. And since yesterday, it's the only way to
>>>start it.
>>>
>>>I checked the voltage of the battery posts before starting (±12.45 V) and
>>>after starting (with the power pack removed) (±14.45 V).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I phoned the mechanic garage and they said it is probably the starter
>>>that needs to much power to be able to start.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I need your help on that one
>>>
>>>Do you know what could be the problem?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Bruno,
>>>
>>>Ottawa area, Canada
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

FrankW

Ah-ha!
That's the problem, You got it from Crappy Tire :-)
My older Jeep (88YJ) I had to replace the starter every year
Just after the warranty was over, in February. :-(

B Pilon wrote:
> Thanks,
>
> Tonight, I will clean the cables first and if it doesn't work I will go to
> Crappy Tire (as you said) for a free test and also because I bought it there
> and it's still on warranty.
>
> So it will be a greasy evening.
>
>
>
> Bruno
>
>
> "Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:gtT6e.2853$8i6.240098@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>
>>After you try Mikes cable cleaning, if the problem persists I would
>>consider pulling the starter and taking to Crappy Tire and have them bench
>>test it (its free), it sounds like a bad starter solenoid, it could
>>however be as simple as dirt and rust build up on the solenoid
>>connections.
>>
>>Snow...
>>
>>"B Pilon" <bblancha@rncan.gc.ca> wrote in message
>>news:d3gjbr$qp412@nrn2b.NRCan.gc.ca...
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I have a 87 Comanche 4X4 with the inline 6, 270 000Km (162 000mi) no air
>>>conditioning and a lot of rust :).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The truck didn't want to start Sunday morning. When turning the ignition
>>>the starter made the tic tic tic tic tic tic sound. Tried almost 15 times
>>>with the same result. I hooked the power pack on the battery and the
>>>truck started just fine. Went shopping, and I had to hook the power pack
>>>again to restart it. When I arrived home I cleaned the battery terminal
>>>connections (but they were fine). The battery was 8 months old, the
>>>starter (rebuild) is 7 months old, the alternator is 1.5 month old and
>>>the ignition switch is less than 3 months old. So because I found
>>>corrosion near one of the battery cap, I went to Costco and had the
>>>battery replaced for a new one. The truck started just fine so I was very
>>>happy.
>>>
>>>Had no problem Sunday evening and Monday during the day.
>>>
>>>Yesterday evening, the same problem happened again so I needed the power
>>>pack to start the vehicle. And since yesterday, it's the only way to
>>>start it.
>>>
>>>I checked the voltage of the battery posts before starting (±12.45 V) and
>>>after starting (with the power pack removed) (±14.45 V).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I phoned the mechanic garage and they said it is probably the starter
>>>that needs to much power to be able to start.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I need your help on that one
>>>
>>>Do you know what could be the problem?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Bruno,
>>>
>>>Ottawa area, Canada
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

FrankW

Ah-ha!
That's the problem, You got it from Crappy Tire :-)
My older Jeep (88YJ) I had to replace the starter every year
Just after the warranty was over, in February. :-(

B Pilon wrote:
> Thanks,
>
> Tonight, I will clean the cables first and if it doesn't work I will go to
> Crappy Tire (as you said) for a free test and also because I bought it there
> and it's still on warranty.
>
> So it will be a greasy evening.
>
>
>
> Bruno
>
>
> "Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:gtT6e.2853$8i6.240098@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>
>>After you try Mikes cable cleaning, if the problem persists I would
>>consider pulling the starter and taking to Crappy Tire and have them bench
>>test it (its free), it sounds like a bad starter solenoid, it could
>>however be as simple as dirt and rust build up on the solenoid
>>connections.
>>
>>Snow...
>>
>>"B Pilon" <bblancha@rncan.gc.ca> wrote in message
>>news:d3gjbr$qp412@nrn2b.NRCan.gc.ca...
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I have a 87 Comanche 4X4 with the inline 6, 270 000Km (162 000mi) no air
>>>conditioning and a lot of rust :).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The truck didn't want to start Sunday morning. When turning the ignition
>>>the starter made the tic tic tic tic tic tic sound. Tried almost 15 times
>>>with the same result. I hooked the power pack on the battery and the
>>>truck started just fine. Went shopping, and I had to hook the power pack
>>>again to restart it. When I arrived home I cleaned the battery terminal
>>>connections (but they were fine). The battery was 8 months old, the
>>>starter (rebuild) is 7 months old, the alternator is 1.5 month old and
>>>the ignition switch is less than 3 months old. So because I found
>>>corrosion near one of the battery cap, I went to Costco and had the
>>>battery replaced for a new one. The truck started just fine so I was very
>>>happy.
>>>
>>>Had no problem Sunday evening and Monday during the day.
>>>
>>>Yesterday evening, the same problem happened again so I needed the power
>>>pack to start the vehicle. And since yesterday, it's the only way to
>>>start it.
>>>
>>>I checked the voltage of the battery posts before starting (±12.45 V) and
>>>after starting (with the power pack removed) (±14.45 V).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I phoned the mechanic garage and they said it is probably the starter
>>>that needs to much power to be able to start.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I need your help on that one
>>>
>>>Do you know what could be the problem?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Bruno,
>>>
>>>Ottawa area, Canada
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Snow

Where about are you located? I ask just due to some insight into the
company who rebuilds starters and alternators for Crappy Tire in the
Southern part of Ontario.. Their Crap, plain and simple. Last time I
needed an alternator quick I had a buddy grab it when he was in Northern
Ontario.

Snow...

"B Pilon" <bblancha@rncan.gc.ca> wrote in message
news:d3h6h7$qp414@nrn2b.NRCan.gc.ca...
> Thanks,
>
> Tonight, I will clean the cables first and if it doesn't work I will go to
> Crappy Tire (as you said) for a free test and also because I bought it
> there and it's still on warranty.
>
> So it will be a greasy evening.
>
>
>
> Bruno
>
>
> "Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:gtT6e.2853$8i6.240098@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>> After you try Mikes cable cleaning, if the problem persists I would
>> consider pulling the starter and taking to Crappy Tire and have them
>> bench test it (its free), it sounds like a bad starter solenoid, it could
>> however be as simple as dirt and rust build up on the solenoid
>> connections.
>>
>> Snow...
>>
>> "B Pilon" <bblancha@rncan.gc.ca> wrote in message
>> news:d3gjbr$qp412@nrn2b.NRCan.gc.ca...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a 87 Comanche 4X4 with the inline 6, 270 000Km (162 000mi) no air
>>> conditioning and a lot of rust :).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The truck didn't want to start Sunday morning. When turning the ignition
>>> the starter made the tic tic tic tic tic tic sound. Tried almost 15
>>> times with the same result. I hooked the power pack on the battery and
>>> the truck started just fine. Went shopping, and I had to hook the power
>>> pack again to restart it. When I arrived home I cleaned the battery
>>> terminal connections (but they were fine). The battery was 8 months old,
>>> the starter (rebuild) is 7 months old, the alternator is 1.5 month old
>>> and the ignition switch is less than 3 months old. So because I found
>>> corrosion near one of the battery cap, I went to Costco and had the
>>> battery replaced for a new one. The truck started just fine so I was
>>> very happy.
>>>
>>> Had no problem Sunday evening and Monday during the day.
>>>
>>> Yesterday evening, the same problem happened again so I needed the power
>>> pack to start the vehicle. And since yesterday, it's the only way to
>>> start it.
>>>
>>> I checked the voltage of the battery posts before starting (±12.45 V)
>>> and after starting (with the power pack removed) (±14.45 V).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I phoned the mechanic garage and they said it is probably the starter
>>> that needs to much power to be able to start.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I need your help on that one
>>>
>>> Do you know what could be the problem?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruno,
>>>
>>> Ottawa area, Canada
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Snow

Where about are you located? I ask just due to some insight into the
company who rebuilds starters and alternators for Crappy Tire in the
Southern part of Ontario.. Their Crap, plain and simple. Last time I
needed an alternator quick I had a buddy grab it when he was in Northern
Ontario.

Snow...

"B Pilon" <bblancha@rncan.gc.ca> wrote in message
news:d3h6h7$qp414@nrn2b.NRCan.gc.ca...
> Thanks,
>
> Tonight, I will clean the cables first and if it doesn't work I will go to
> Crappy Tire (as you said) for a free test and also because I bought it
> there and it's still on warranty.
>
> So it will be a greasy evening.
>
>
>
> Bruno
>
>
> "Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:gtT6e.2853$8i6.240098@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>> After you try Mikes cable cleaning, if the problem persists I would
>> consider pulling the starter and taking to Crappy Tire and have them
>> bench test it (its free), it sounds like a bad starter solenoid, it could
>> however be as simple as dirt and rust build up on the solenoid
>> connections.
>>
>> Snow...
>>
>> "B Pilon" <bblancha@rncan.gc.ca> wrote in message
>> news:d3gjbr$qp412@nrn2b.NRCan.gc.ca...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a 87 Comanche 4X4 with the inline 6, 270 000Km (162 000mi) no air
>>> conditioning and a lot of rust :).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The truck didn't want to start Sunday morning. When turning the ignition
>>> the starter made the tic tic tic tic tic tic sound. Tried almost 15
>>> times with the same result. I hooked the power pack on the battery and
>>> the truck started just fine. Went shopping, and I had to hook the power
>>> pack again to restart it. When I arrived home I cleaned the battery
>>> terminal connections (but they were fine). The battery was 8 months old,
>>> the starter (rebuild) is 7 months old, the alternator is 1.5 month old
>>> and the ignition switch is less than 3 months old. So because I found
>>> corrosion near one of the battery cap, I went to Costco and had the
>>> battery replaced for a new one. The truck started just fine so I was
>>> very happy.
>>>
>>> Had no problem Sunday evening and Monday during the day.
>>>
>>> Yesterday evening, the same problem happened again so I needed the power
>>> pack to start the vehicle. And since yesterday, it's the only way to
>>> start it.
>>>
>>> I checked the voltage of the battery posts before starting (±12.45 V)
>>> and after starting (with the power pack removed) (±14.45 V).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I phoned the mechanic garage and they said it is probably the starter
>>> that needs to much power to be able to start.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I need your help on that one
>>>
>>> Do you know what could be the problem?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruno,
>>>
>>> Ottawa area, Canada
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Snow

Where about are you located? I ask just due to some insight into the
company who rebuilds starters and alternators for Crappy Tire in the
Southern part of Ontario.. Their Crap, plain and simple. Last time I
needed an alternator quick I had a buddy grab it when he was in Northern
Ontario.

Snow...

"B Pilon" <bblancha@rncan.gc.ca> wrote in message
news:d3h6h7$qp414@nrn2b.NRCan.gc.ca...
> Thanks,
>
> Tonight, I will clean the cables first and if it doesn't work I will go to
> Crappy Tire (as you said) for a free test and also because I bought it
> there and it's still on warranty.
>
> So it will be a greasy evening.
>
>
>
> Bruno
>
>
> "Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:gtT6e.2853$8i6.240098@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>> After you try Mikes cable cleaning, if the problem persists I would
>> consider pulling the starter and taking to Crappy Tire and have them
>> bench test it (its free), it sounds like a bad starter solenoid, it could
>> however be as simple as dirt and rust build up on the solenoid
>> connections.
>>
>> Snow...
>>
>> "B Pilon" <bblancha@rncan.gc.ca> wrote in message
>> news:d3gjbr$qp412@nrn2b.NRCan.gc.ca...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a 87 Comanche 4X4 with the inline 6, 270 000Km (162 000mi) no air
>>> conditioning and a lot of rust :).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The truck didn't want to start Sunday morning. When turning the ignition
>>> the starter made the tic tic tic tic tic tic sound. Tried almost 15
>>> times with the same result. I hooked the power pack on the battery and
>>> the truck started just fine. Went shopping, and I had to hook the power
>>> pack again to restart it. When I arrived home I cleaned the battery
>>> terminal connections (but they were fine). The battery was 8 months old,
>>> the starter (rebuild) is 7 months old, the alternator is 1.5 month old
>>> and the ignition switch is less than 3 months old. So because I found
>>> corrosion near one of the battery cap, I went to Costco and had the
>>> battery replaced for a new one. The truck started just fine so I was
>>> very happy.
>>>
>>> Had no problem Sunday evening and Monday during the day.
>>>
>>> Yesterday evening, the same problem happened again so I needed the power
>>> pack to start the vehicle. And since yesterday, it's the only way to
>>> start it.
>>>
>>> I checked the voltage of the battery posts before starting (±12.45 V)
>>> and after starting (with the power pack removed) (±14.45 V).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I phoned the mechanic garage and they said it is probably the starter
>>> that needs to much power to be able to start.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I need your help on that one
>>>
>>> Do you know what could be the problem?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruno,
>>>
>>> Ottawa area, Canada
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Snow

Where about are you located? I ask just due to some insight into the
company who rebuilds starters and alternators for Crappy Tire in the
Southern part of Ontario.. Their Crap, plain and simple. Last time I
needed an alternator quick I had a buddy grab it when he was in Northern
Ontario.

Snow...

"B Pilon" <bblancha@rncan.gc.ca> wrote in message
news:d3h6h7$qp414@nrn2b.NRCan.gc.ca...
> Thanks,
>
> Tonight, I will clean the cables first and if it doesn't work I will go to
> Crappy Tire (as you said) for a free test and also because I bought it
> there and it's still on warranty.
>
> So it will be a greasy evening.
>
>
>
> Bruno
>
>
> "Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:gtT6e.2853$8i6.240098@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>> After you try Mikes cable cleaning, if the problem persists I would
>> consider pulling the starter and taking to Crappy Tire and have them
>> bench test it (its free), it sounds like a bad starter solenoid, it could
>> however be as simple as dirt and rust build up on the solenoid
>> connections.
>>
>> Snow...
>>
>> "B Pilon" <bblancha@rncan.gc.ca> wrote in message
>> news:d3gjbr$qp412@nrn2b.NRCan.gc.ca...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a 87 Comanche 4X4 with the inline 6, 270 000Km (162 000mi) no air
>>> conditioning and a lot of rust :).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The truck didn't want to start Sunday morning. When turning the ignition
>>> the starter made the tic tic tic tic tic tic sound. Tried almost 15
>>> times with the same result. I hooked the power pack on the battery and
>>> the truck started just fine. Went shopping, and I had to hook the power
>>> pack again to restart it. When I arrived home I cleaned the battery
>>> terminal connections (but they were fine). The battery was 8 months old,
>>> the starter (rebuild) is 7 months old, the alternator is 1.5 month old
>>> and the ignition switch is less than 3 months old. So because I found
>>> corrosion near one of the battery cap, I went to Costco and had the
>>> battery replaced for a new one. The truck started just fine so I was
>>> very happy.
>>>
>>> Had no problem Sunday evening and Monday during the day.
>>>
>>> Yesterday evening, the same problem happened again so I needed the power
>>> pack to start the vehicle. And since yesterday, it's the only way to
>>> start it.
>>>
>>> I checked the voltage of the battery posts before starting (±12.45 V)
>>> and after starting (with the power pack removed) (±14.45 V).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I phoned the mechanic garage and they said it is probably the starter
>>> that needs to much power to be able to start.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I need your help on that one
>>>
>>> Do you know what could be the problem?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruno,
>>>
>>> Ottawa area, Canada
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

One out of many daves

wow
No one mentioned that you might have a drain on the battery when the engine
is off.
Maybe a light under the hood, brake light switch, glove box light, interior
light, relay, or something else that might possibly cause a drain when the
ign. is off. Might even be a defective alternator that drains the battery.
:-(

Simple test is to remove one battery lead after you've had a good drive and
see if it starts the next day after you reconnect the lead.
There are other tests you can perform such as an amperage drain, or even
connect a volt meter, between battery post and removed lead. Remember that
a door open or the hood open (activating one of the lights) might affect
your test results.
Oh and very short drives don't allow the battery to charge back up well!
;-)

JMHO
later,
dave AKA vwdoc1

"B Pilon" <bblancha@rncan.gc.ca> wrote in message
news:d3gjbr$qp412@nrn2b.NRCan.gc.ca...
> Hi,
>
> I have a 87 Comanche 4X4 with the inline 6, 270 000Km (162 000mi) no air
> conditioning and a lot of rust :).
>
>
>
> The truck didn't want to start Sunday morning. When turning the ignition
the
> starter made the tic tic tic tic tic tic sound. Tried almost 15 times with
> the same result. I hooked the power pack on the battery and the truck
> started just fine. Went shopping, and I had to hook the power pack again
to
> restart it. When I arrived home I cleaned the battery terminal connections
> (but they were fine). The battery was 8 months old, the starter (rebuild)
is
> 7 months old, the alternator is 1.5 month old and the ignition switch is
> less than 3 months old. So because I found corrosion near one of the
battery
> cap, I went to Costco and had the battery replaced for a new one. The
truck
> started just fine so I was very happy.
>
> Had no problem Sunday evening and Monday during the day.
>
> Yesterday evening, the same problem happened again so I needed the power
> pack to start the vehicle. And since yesterday, it's the only way to
start
> it.
>
> I checked the voltage of the battery posts before starting (±12.45 V) and
> after starting (with the power pack removed) (±14.45 V).