Jeep Cherokee ABS problem
#71
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Re: Jeep Cherokee ABS problem
send me your vin and i can run a options list to see if abs was one
Peter wrote:
> Good evening. Thank you all for your interest in, and help with, my
> ABS problem. Here is an exchange of correspondence which took place
> today with the dealer who sold me the vehicle. It's pretty self
> explanatory and as you can see, there is an ongoing situation here....
>
> Dear Mr Newfoundland Used Car Dealer (not his real name)
>
> Further to our recent exchange of e-mails about the problems I was
> having
> with my jeep's ABS, I have some news which is not welcome to either of
> us -
> it doesn't appear to have any ABS. I am still waiting for
> DaimlerChrysler
> Canada to send me the official build sheet for the vehicle, but from my
> examination of the electrical and braking systems, and comparing them
> with
> the relevant diagrams from the sections of the owners handbook and
> workshop
> manual which describe the ABS, I am 99% certain that this vehicle does
> not
> have, and has never had, ABS. You are of course welcome to examine it
> yourself to confirm that.
>
> Could I remind you that I bought it on the understanding that it did
> have
> ABS, and I still have the ****** Motors vehicle description which
> states
> that. If this is the case, it is a little surprising that your
> mechanic
> examined the (non-existent) ABS on 13 January and found it to be
> "operating
> normal" but maybe the less said about that the better.
>
> What do you propose to do about this? It is abolutely essential for me
> to
> have a vehicle with a full set of safety features including ABS, 4WD
> and
> airbags, not least because we have three small children who will be
> travelling in the vehicle, and my wife is meticulous about vehicle
> safety
> for the children. She is not going to be at all pleased about this, in
> fact, I am hoping to get this fixed before she finds out about it. As
> far
> as I can see there are two options:
>
> 1. Have ABS fitted to the vehicle at your expense. I am waiting to
> hear
> from DaimlerChrysler Canada to see if this is possible. It should be
> possible, although it may be expensive. As I am otherwise happy with
> the
> vehicle, this would probably be my preferred option.
>
> 2. A full refund of the purchase price and associated expenses, either
> in
> cash or set against the purchase of another Humber Motors vehicle which
> does
> have ABS and the other safety features I have mentioned. This should
> include:
>
> 19,540.50 Purchase price
> 885.50 Service contract
> 568.45 Fitting of four winter tires
> 159.95 Corrosion free treament
> 76.02 Winter maintenance service
> 200.00 Replacement of water pump
> 35.65 Examination of the ABS
>
> Needless to say, I am not very happy about this.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Hello Peter
> I`ve spoke to the mechanic he advises that you stop in to the shop
> anytime
> between 8:00 a.m and 5:00 p.m so they can point out the components of
> ABS
> system
> regards **** *******
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> OK... but he'll have some difficulty if the components aren't there.
> Please
> see forwarded e-mail from DaimlerChrysler (which arrived this
> afternoon) who
> seem to think that ABS was not fitted to this vehicle at the time of
> manufacture. But I'll bring it in anyway - probably Friday afternoon.
>
> Regards, Peter.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Dear ** ****:
>
> We have received your email of January 19, 2006 regarding your 2001
> Jeep
> Cherokee.
>
> We note that, at the time of manufacturing, your vehicle was equipped
> with Power Front Disc/Rear Drum Brakes. If you are seeking information
>
> on having ABS installed on your vehicle please contact your local
> DaimlerChrysler dealership (City Motors Chrysler # 709-637-1000) as
> they
> are equipped with any technical information.
>
> Further, with respect to obtaining a service manual, DaimlerChrysler
> Canada has recruited the services of an independent company to
> distribute owner
Peter wrote:
> Good evening. Thank you all for your interest in, and help with, my
> ABS problem. Here is an exchange of correspondence which took place
> today with the dealer who sold me the vehicle. It's pretty self
> explanatory and as you can see, there is an ongoing situation here....
>
> Dear Mr Newfoundland Used Car Dealer (not his real name)
>
> Further to our recent exchange of e-mails about the problems I was
> having
> with my jeep's ABS, I have some news which is not welcome to either of
> us -
> it doesn't appear to have any ABS. I am still waiting for
> DaimlerChrysler
> Canada to send me the official build sheet for the vehicle, but from my
> examination of the electrical and braking systems, and comparing them
> with
> the relevant diagrams from the sections of the owners handbook and
> workshop
> manual which describe the ABS, I am 99% certain that this vehicle does
> not
> have, and has never had, ABS. You are of course welcome to examine it
> yourself to confirm that.
>
> Could I remind you that I bought it on the understanding that it did
> have
> ABS, and I still have the ****** Motors vehicle description which
> states
> that. If this is the case, it is a little surprising that your
> mechanic
> examined the (non-existent) ABS on 13 January and found it to be
> "operating
> normal" but maybe the less said about that the better.
>
> What do you propose to do about this? It is abolutely essential for me
> to
> have a vehicle with a full set of safety features including ABS, 4WD
> and
> airbags, not least because we have three small children who will be
> travelling in the vehicle, and my wife is meticulous about vehicle
> safety
> for the children. She is not going to be at all pleased about this, in
> fact, I am hoping to get this fixed before she finds out about it. As
> far
> as I can see there are two options:
>
> 1. Have ABS fitted to the vehicle at your expense. I am waiting to
> hear
> from DaimlerChrysler Canada to see if this is possible. It should be
> possible, although it may be expensive. As I am otherwise happy with
> the
> vehicle, this would probably be my preferred option.
>
> 2. A full refund of the purchase price and associated expenses, either
> in
> cash or set against the purchase of another Humber Motors vehicle which
> does
> have ABS and the other safety features I have mentioned. This should
> include:
>
> 19,540.50 Purchase price
> 885.50 Service contract
> 568.45 Fitting of four winter tires
> 159.95 Corrosion free treament
> 76.02 Winter maintenance service
> 200.00 Replacement of water pump
> 35.65 Examination of the ABS
>
> Needless to say, I am not very happy about this.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Hello Peter
> I`ve spoke to the mechanic he advises that you stop in to the shop
> anytime
> between 8:00 a.m and 5:00 p.m so they can point out the components of
> ABS
> system
> regards **** *******
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> OK... but he'll have some difficulty if the components aren't there.
> Please
> see forwarded e-mail from DaimlerChrysler (which arrived this
> afternoon) who
> seem to think that ABS was not fitted to this vehicle at the time of
> manufacture. But I'll bring it in anyway - probably Friday afternoon.
>
> Regards, Peter.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Dear ** ****:
>
> We have received your email of January 19, 2006 regarding your 2001
> Jeep
> Cherokee.
>
> We note that, at the time of manufacturing, your vehicle was equipped
> with Power Front Disc/Rear Drum Brakes. If you are seeking information
>
> on having ABS installed on your vehicle please contact your local
> DaimlerChrysler dealership (City Motors Chrysler # 709-637-1000) as
> they
> are equipped with any technical information.
>
> Further, with respect to obtaining a service manual, DaimlerChrysler
> Canada has recruited the services of an independent company to
> distribute owner
#72
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Re: Jeep Cherokee ABS problem
send me your vin and i can run a options list to see if abs was one
Peter wrote:
> Good evening. Thank you all for your interest in, and help with, my
> ABS problem. Here is an exchange of correspondence which took place
> today with the dealer who sold me the vehicle. It's pretty self
> explanatory and as you can see, there is an ongoing situation here....
>
> Dear Mr Newfoundland Used Car Dealer (not his real name)
>
> Further to our recent exchange of e-mails about the problems I was
> having
> with my jeep's ABS, I have some news which is not welcome to either of
> us -
> it doesn't appear to have any ABS. I am still waiting for
> DaimlerChrysler
> Canada to send me the official build sheet for the vehicle, but from my
> examination of the electrical and braking systems, and comparing them
> with
> the relevant diagrams from the sections of the owners handbook and
> workshop
> manual which describe the ABS, I am 99% certain that this vehicle does
> not
> have, and has never had, ABS. You are of course welcome to examine it
> yourself to confirm that.
>
> Could I remind you that I bought it on the understanding that it did
> have
> ABS, and I still have the ****** Motors vehicle description which
> states
> that. If this is the case, it is a little surprising that your
> mechanic
> examined the (non-existent) ABS on 13 January and found it to be
> "operating
> normal" but maybe the less said about that the better.
>
> What do you propose to do about this? It is abolutely essential for me
> to
> have a vehicle with a full set of safety features including ABS, 4WD
> and
> airbags, not least because we have three small children who will be
> travelling in the vehicle, and my wife is meticulous about vehicle
> safety
> for the children. She is not going to be at all pleased about this, in
> fact, I am hoping to get this fixed before she finds out about it. As
> far
> as I can see there are two options:
>
> 1. Have ABS fitted to the vehicle at your expense. I am waiting to
> hear
> from DaimlerChrysler Canada to see if this is possible. It should be
> possible, although it may be expensive. As I am otherwise happy with
> the
> vehicle, this would probably be my preferred option.
>
> 2. A full refund of the purchase price and associated expenses, either
> in
> cash or set against the purchase of another Humber Motors vehicle which
> does
> have ABS and the other safety features I have mentioned. This should
> include:
>
> 19,540.50 Purchase price
> 885.50 Service contract
> 568.45 Fitting of four winter tires
> 159.95 Corrosion free treament
> 76.02 Winter maintenance service
> 200.00 Replacement of water pump
> 35.65 Examination of the ABS
>
> Needless to say, I am not very happy about this.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Hello Peter
> I`ve spoke to the mechanic he advises that you stop in to the shop
> anytime
> between 8:00 a.m and 5:00 p.m so they can point out the components of
> ABS
> system
> regards **** *******
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> OK... but he'll have some difficulty if the components aren't there.
> Please
> see forwarded e-mail from DaimlerChrysler (which arrived this
> afternoon) who
> seem to think that ABS was not fitted to this vehicle at the time of
> manufacture. But I'll bring it in anyway - probably Friday afternoon.
>
> Regards, Peter.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Dear ** ****:
>
> We have received your email of January 19, 2006 regarding your 2001
> Jeep
> Cherokee.
>
> We note that, at the time of manufacturing, your vehicle was equipped
> with Power Front Disc/Rear Drum Brakes. If you are seeking information
>
> on having ABS installed on your vehicle please contact your local
> DaimlerChrysler dealership (City Motors Chrysler # 709-637-1000) as
> they
> are equipped with any technical information.
>
> Further, with respect to obtaining a service manual, DaimlerChrysler
> Canada has recruited the services of an independent company to
> distribute owner
Peter wrote:
> Good evening. Thank you all for your interest in, and help with, my
> ABS problem. Here is an exchange of correspondence which took place
> today with the dealer who sold me the vehicle. It's pretty self
> explanatory and as you can see, there is an ongoing situation here....
>
> Dear Mr Newfoundland Used Car Dealer (not his real name)
>
> Further to our recent exchange of e-mails about the problems I was
> having
> with my jeep's ABS, I have some news which is not welcome to either of
> us -
> it doesn't appear to have any ABS. I am still waiting for
> DaimlerChrysler
> Canada to send me the official build sheet for the vehicle, but from my
> examination of the electrical and braking systems, and comparing them
> with
> the relevant diagrams from the sections of the owners handbook and
> workshop
> manual which describe the ABS, I am 99% certain that this vehicle does
> not
> have, and has never had, ABS. You are of course welcome to examine it
> yourself to confirm that.
>
> Could I remind you that I bought it on the understanding that it did
> have
> ABS, and I still have the ****** Motors vehicle description which
> states
> that. If this is the case, it is a little surprising that your
> mechanic
> examined the (non-existent) ABS on 13 January and found it to be
> "operating
> normal" but maybe the less said about that the better.
>
> What do you propose to do about this? It is abolutely essential for me
> to
> have a vehicle with a full set of safety features including ABS, 4WD
> and
> airbags, not least because we have three small children who will be
> travelling in the vehicle, and my wife is meticulous about vehicle
> safety
> for the children. She is not going to be at all pleased about this, in
> fact, I am hoping to get this fixed before she finds out about it. As
> far
> as I can see there are two options:
>
> 1. Have ABS fitted to the vehicle at your expense. I am waiting to
> hear
> from DaimlerChrysler Canada to see if this is possible. It should be
> possible, although it may be expensive. As I am otherwise happy with
> the
> vehicle, this would probably be my preferred option.
>
> 2. A full refund of the purchase price and associated expenses, either
> in
> cash or set against the purchase of another Humber Motors vehicle which
> does
> have ABS and the other safety features I have mentioned. This should
> include:
>
> 19,540.50 Purchase price
> 885.50 Service contract
> 568.45 Fitting of four winter tires
> 159.95 Corrosion free treament
> 76.02 Winter maintenance service
> 200.00 Replacement of water pump
> 35.65 Examination of the ABS
>
> Needless to say, I am not very happy about this.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Hello Peter
> I`ve spoke to the mechanic he advises that you stop in to the shop
> anytime
> between 8:00 a.m and 5:00 p.m so they can point out the components of
> ABS
> system
> regards **** *******
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> OK... but he'll have some difficulty if the components aren't there.
> Please
> see forwarded e-mail from DaimlerChrysler (which arrived this
> afternoon) who
> seem to think that ABS was not fitted to this vehicle at the time of
> manufacture. But I'll bring it in anyway - probably Friday afternoon.
>
> Regards, Peter.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Dear ** ****:
>
> We have received your email of January 19, 2006 regarding your 2001
> Jeep
> Cherokee.
>
> We note that, at the time of manufacturing, your vehicle was equipped
> with Power Front Disc/Rear Drum Brakes. If you are seeking information
>
> on having ABS installed on your vehicle please contact your local
> DaimlerChrysler dealership (City Motors Chrysler # 709-637-1000) as
> they
> are equipped with any technical information.
>
> Further, with respect to obtaining a service manual, DaimlerChrysler
> Canada has recruited the services of an independent company to
> distribute owner
#73
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep Cherokee ABS problem
send me your vin and i can run a options list to see if abs was one
Peter wrote:
> Good evening. Thank you all for your interest in, and help with, my
> ABS problem. Here is an exchange of correspondence which took place
> today with the dealer who sold me the vehicle. It's pretty self
> explanatory and as you can see, there is an ongoing situation here....
>
> Dear Mr Newfoundland Used Car Dealer (not his real name)
>
> Further to our recent exchange of e-mails about the problems I was
> having
> with my jeep's ABS, I have some news which is not welcome to either of
> us -
> it doesn't appear to have any ABS. I am still waiting for
> DaimlerChrysler
> Canada to send me the official build sheet for the vehicle, but from my
> examination of the electrical and braking systems, and comparing them
> with
> the relevant diagrams from the sections of the owners handbook and
> workshop
> manual which describe the ABS, I am 99% certain that this vehicle does
> not
> have, and has never had, ABS. You are of course welcome to examine it
> yourself to confirm that.
>
> Could I remind you that I bought it on the understanding that it did
> have
> ABS, and I still have the ****** Motors vehicle description which
> states
> that. If this is the case, it is a little surprising that your
> mechanic
> examined the (non-existent) ABS on 13 January and found it to be
> "operating
> normal" but maybe the less said about that the better.
>
> What do you propose to do about this? It is abolutely essential for me
> to
> have a vehicle with a full set of safety features including ABS, 4WD
> and
> airbags, not least because we have three small children who will be
> travelling in the vehicle, and my wife is meticulous about vehicle
> safety
> for the children. She is not going to be at all pleased about this, in
> fact, I am hoping to get this fixed before she finds out about it. As
> far
> as I can see there are two options:
>
> 1. Have ABS fitted to the vehicle at your expense. I am waiting to
> hear
> from DaimlerChrysler Canada to see if this is possible. It should be
> possible, although it may be expensive. As I am otherwise happy with
> the
> vehicle, this would probably be my preferred option.
>
> 2. A full refund of the purchase price and associated expenses, either
> in
> cash or set against the purchase of another Humber Motors vehicle which
> does
> have ABS and the other safety features I have mentioned. This should
> include:
>
> 19,540.50 Purchase price
> 885.50 Service contract
> 568.45 Fitting of four winter tires
> 159.95 Corrosion free treament
> 76.02 Winter maintenance service
> 200.00 Replacement of water pump
> 35.65 Examination of the ABS
>
> Needless to say, I am not very happy about this.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Hello Peter
> I`ve spoke to the mechanic he advises that you stop in to the shop
> anytime
> between 8:00 a.m and 5:00 p.m so they can point out the components of
> ABS
> system
> regards **** *******
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> OK... but he'll have some difficulty if the components aren't there.
> Please
> see forwarded e-mail from DaimlerChrysler (which arrived this
> afternoon) who
> seem to think that ABS was not fitted to this vehicle at the time of
> manufacture. But I'll bring it in anyway - probably Friday afternoon.
>
> Regards, Peter.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Dear ** ****:
>
> We have received your email of January 19, 2006 regarding your 2001
> Jeep
> Cherokee.
>
> We note that, at the time of manufacturing, your vehicle was equipped
> with Power Front Disc/Rear Drum Brakes. If you are seeking information
>
> on having ABS installed on your vehicle please contact your local
> DaimlerChrysler dealership (City Motors Chrysler # 709-637-1000) as
> they
> are equipped with any technical information.
>
> Further, with respect to obtaining a service manual, DaimlerChrysler
> Canada has recruited the services of an independent company to
> distribute owner
Peter wrote:
> Good evening. Thank you all for your interest in, and help with, my
> ABS problem. Here is an exchange of correspondence which took place
> today with the dealer who sold me the vehicle. It's pretty self
> explanatory and as you can see, there is an ongoing situation here....
>
> Dear Mr Newfoundland Used Car Dealer (not his real name)
>
> Further to our recent exchange of e-mails about the problems I was
> having
> with my jeep's ABS, I have some news which is not welcome to either of
> us -
> it doesn't appear to have any ABS. I am still waiting for
> DaimlerChrysler
> Canada to send me the official build sheet for the vehicle, but from my
> examination of the electrical and braking systems, and comparing them
> with
> the relevant diagrams from the sections of the owners handbook and
> workshop
> manual which describe the ABS, I am 99% certain that this vehicle does
> not
> have, and has never had, ABS. You are of course welcome to examine it
> yourself to confirm that.
>
> Could I remind you that I bought it on the understanding that it did
> have
> ABS, and I still have the ****** Motors vehicle description which
> states
> that. If this is the case, it is a little surprising that your
> mechanic
> examined the (non-existent) ABS on 13 January and found it to be
> "operating
> normal" but maybe the less said about that the better.
>
> What do you propose to do about this? It is abolutely essential for me
> to
> have a vehicle with a full set of safety features including ABS, 4WD
> and
> airbags, not least because we have three small children who will be
> travelling in the vehicle, and my wife is meticulous about vehicle
> safety
> for the children. She is not going to be at all pleased about this, in
> fact, I am hoping to get this fixed before she finds out about it. As
> far
> as I can see there are two options:
>
> 1. Have ABS fitted to the vehicle at your expense. I am waiting to
> hear
> from DaimlerChrysler Canada to see if this is possible. It should be
> possible, although it may be expensive. As I am otherwise happy with
> the
> vehicle, this would probably be my preferred option.
>
> 2. A full refund of the purchase price and associated expenses, either
> in
> cash or set against the purchase of another Humber Motors vehicle which
> does
> have ABS and the other safety features I have mentioned. This should
> include:
>
> 19,540.50 Purchase price
> 885.50 Service contract
> 568.45 Fitting of four winter tires
> 159.95 Corrosion free treament
> 76.02 Winter maintenance service
> 200.00 Replacement of water pump
> 35.65 Examination of the ABS
>
> Needless to say, I am not very happy about this.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Hello Peter
> I`ve spoke to the mechanic he advises that you stop in to the shop
> anytime
> between 8:00 a.m and 5:00 p.m so they can point out the components of
> ABS
> system
> regards **** *******
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> OK... but he'll have some difficulty if the components aren't there.
> Please
> see forwarded e-mail from DaimlerChrysler (which arrived this
> afternoon) who
> seem to think that ABS was not fitted to this vehicle at the time of
> manufacture. But I'll bring it in anyway - probably Friday afternoon.
>
> Regards, Peter.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Dear ** ****:
>
> We have received your email of January 19, 2006 regarding your 2001
> Jeep
> Cherokee.
>
> We note that, at the time of manufacturing, your vehicle was equipped
> with Power Front Disc/Rear Drum Brakes. If you are seeking information
>
> on having ABS installed on your vehicle please contact your local
> DaimlerChrysler dealership (City Motors Chrysler # 709-637-1000) as
> they
> are equipped with any technical information.
>
> Further, with respect to obtaining a service manual, DaimlerChrysler
> Canada has recruited the services of an independent company to
> distribute owner
#74
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Re: Jeep Cherokee ABS problem
If my wife's car had come without Antilock Brake System, I would
have consider myself the luckiest man in the world.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Peter wrote:
>
> Yes, I agree that ABS has its limitations. However, I think part of
> its usefulness is taking the human error factor out of difficult
> situations. For example, I know what I'm supposed to do in the event
> of a skid: ease off then pump the brakes, steer in the direction of the
> skid etc. But despite knowing that, I remember what I actually did a
> few years ago when I got into a really bad skid: froze like a lemon,
> jammed my foot hard on the brake and locked the steering wheel, and
> stayed like that until the vehicle came to a stop. Instinctive
> reaction. That's where ABS would have helped.
>
> If I can't come to an agreement with the dealership I think I'll pay to
> have ABS installed myself, then try to get a refund of as great a
> portion of the cost of it as I can.
have consider myself the luckiest man in the world.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Peter wrote:
>
> Yes, I agree that ABS has its limitations. However, I think part of
> its usefulness is taking the human error factor out of difficult
> situations. For example, I know what I'm supposed to do in the event
> of a skid: ease off then pump the brakes, steer in the direction of the
> skid etc. But despite knowing that, I remember what I actually did a
> few years ago when I got into a really bad skid: froze like a lemon,
> jammed my foot hard on the brake and locked the steering wheel, and
> stayed like that until the vehicle came to a stop. Instinctive
> reaction. That's where ABS would have helped.
>
> If I can't come to an agreement with the dealership I think I'll pay to
> have ABS installed myself, then try to get a refund of as great a
> portion of the cost of it as I can.
#75
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep Cherokee ABS problem
If my wife's car had come without Antilock Brake System, I would
have consider myself the luckiest man in the world.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Peter wrote:
>
> Yes, I agree that ABS has its limitations. However, I think part of
> its usefulness is taking the human error factor out of difficult
> situations. For example, I know what I'm supposed to do in the event
> of a skid: ease off then pump the brakes, steer in the direction of the
> skid etc. But despite knowing that, I remember what I actually did a
> few years ago when I got into a really bad skid: froze like a lemon,
> jammed my foot hard on the brake and locked the steering wheel, and
> stayed like that until the vehicle came to a stop. Instinctive
> reaction. That's where ABS would have helped.
>
> If I can't come to an agreement with the dealership I think I'll pay to
> have ABS installed myself, then try to get a refund of as great a
> portion of the cost of it as I can.
have consider myself the luckiest man in the world.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Peter wrote:
>
> Yes, I agree that ABS has its limitations. However, I think part of
> its usefulness is taking the human error factor out of difficult
> situations. For example, I know what I'm supposed to do in the event
> of a skid: ease off then pump the brakes, steer in the direction of the
> skid etc. But despite knowing that, I remember what I actually did a
> few years ago when I got into a really bad skid: froze like a lemon,
> jammed my foot hard on the brake and locked the steering wheel, and
> stayed like that until the vehicle came to a stop. Instinctive
> reaction. That's where ABS would have helped.
>
> If I can't come to an agreement with the dealership I think I'll pay to
> have ABS installed myself, then try to get a refund of as great a
> portion of the cost of it as I can.
#76
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep Cherokee ABS problem
If my wife's car had come without Antilock Brake System, I would
have consider myself the luckiest man in the world.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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Peter wrote:
>
> Yes, I agree that ABS has its limitations. However, I think part of
> its usefulness is taking the human error factor out of difficult
> situations. For example, I know what I'm supposed to do in the event
> of a skid: ease off then pump the brakes, steer in the direction of the
> skid etc. But despite knowing that, I remember what I actually did a
> few years ago when I got into a really bad skid: froze like a lemon,
> jammed my foot hard on the brake and locked the steering wheel, and
> stayed like that until the vehicle came to a stop. Instinctive
> reaction. That's where ABS would have helped.
>
> If I can't come to an agreement with the dealership I think I'll pay to
> have ABS installed myself, then try to get a refund of as great a
> portion of the cost of it as I can.
have consider myself the luckiest man in the world.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Peter wrote:
>
> Yes, I agree that ABS has its limitations. However, I think part of
> its usefulness is taking the human error factor out of difficult
> situations. For example, I know what I'm supposed to do in the event
> of a skid: ease off then pump the brakes, steer in the direction of the
> skid etc. But despite knowing that, I remember what I actually did a
> few years ago when I got into a really bad skid: froze like a lemon,
> jammed my foot hard on the brake and locked the steering wheel, and
> stayed like that until the vehicle came to a stop. Instinctive
> reaction. That's where ABS would have helped.
>
> If I can't come to an agreement with the dealership I think I'll pay to
> have ABS installed myself, then try to get a refund of as great a
> portion of the cost of it as I can.
#77
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep Cherokee ABS problem
ABS is not going to be an inexpensive retrofit. ABS computer module, pump,
wheel speed sensors/tone rings (which may require new axles), wiring,
possibly a new ECM. I agree with Mike R. on this. And the dealership is
going to fight you every step of the way.
If any paperwork from the dealership indicates the presence of ABS and in
fact it does not have ABS, you'd probably have a case, espciailly now since
the service department has confirmed on paper the existence of ABS.
Have you confirmed whether or not it has ABS? I might have missed the post
if you did. Have you brought it in to have them examine it?
Personal opinions on ABS notwithstanding, the case here is the dealership
advertised and informed you that the vehicle has a feature which presumable
increased its value, when it in fact does not have that feature, in which
case the dealership should shoulder some liability. But be prepared for a
fight.
"Peter" <petgray@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138357435.594359.271970@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>> My personal opinion, is that you are blowing things way out of
>> proportion,
>> and that ABS is not the great "safety feature" that you imagine it to be.
>> You were however offered it, and are entitled to some relief from this
>> situation.
>>
>> Earle
>>
> Yes, I agree that ABS has its limitations. However, I think part of
> its usefulness is taking the human error factor out of difficult
> situations. For example, I know what I'm supposed to do in the event
> of a skid: ease off then pump the brakes, steer in the direction of the
> skid etc. But despite knowing that, I remember what I actually did a
> few years ago when I got into a really bad skid: froze like a lemon,
> jammed my foot hard on the brake and locked the steering wheel, and
> stayed like that until the vehicle came to a stop. Instinctive
> reaction. That's where ABS would have helped.
>
> If I can't come to an agreement with the dealership I think I'll pay to
> have ABS installed myself, then try to get a refund of as great a
> portion of the cost of it as I can.
>
wheel speed sensors/tone rings (which may require new axles), wiring,
possibly a new ECM. I agree with Mike R. on this. And the dealership is
going to fight you every step of the way.
If any paperwork from the dealership indicates the presence of ABS and in
fact it does not have ABS, you'd probably have a case, espciailly now since
the service department has confirmed on paper the existence of ABS.
Have you confirmed whether or not it has ABS? I might have missed the post
if you did. Have you brought it in to have them examine it?
Personal opinions on ABS notwithstanding, the case here is the dealership
advertised and informed you that the vehicle has a feature which presumable
increased its value, when it in fact does not have that feature, in which
case the dealership should shoulder some liability. But be prepared for a
fight.
"Peter" <petgray@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138357435.594359.271970@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>> My personal opinion, is that you are blowing things way out of
>> proportion,
>> and that ABS is not the great "safety feature" that you imagine it to be.
>> You were however offered it, and are entitled to some relief from this
>> situation.
>>
>> Earle
>>
> Yes, I agree that ABS has its limitations. However, I think part of
> its usefulness is taking the human error factor out of difficult
> situations. For example, I know what I'm supposed to do in the event
> of a skid: ease off then pump the brakes, steer in the direction of the
> skid etc. But despite knowing that, I remember what I actually did a
> few years ago when I got into a really bad skid: froze like a lemon,
> jammed my foot hard on the brake and locked the steering wheel, and
> stayed like that until the vehicle came to a stop. Instinctive
> reaction. That's where ABS would have helped.
>
> If I can't come to an agreement with the dealership I think I'll pay to
> have ABS installed myself, then try to get a refund of as great a
> portion of the cost of it as I can.
>
#78
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep Cherokee ABS problem
ABS is not going to be an inexpensive retrofit. ABS computer module, pump,
wheel speed sensors/tone rings (which may require new axles), wiring,
possibly a new ECM. I agree with Mike R. on this. And the dealership is
going to fight you every step of the way.
If any paperwork from the dealership indicates the presence of ABS and in
fact it does not have ABS, you'd probably have a case, espciailly now since
the service department has confirmed on paper the existence of ABS.
Have you confirmed whether or not it has ABS? I might have missed the post
if you did. Have you brought it in to have them examine it?
Personal opinions on ABS notwithstanding, the case here is the dealership
advertised and informed you that the vehicle has a feature which presumable
increased its value, when it in fact does not have that feature, in which
case the dealership should shoulder some liability. But be prepared for a
fight.
"Peter" <petgray@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138357435.594359.271970@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>> My personal opinion, is that you are blowing things way out of
>> proportion,
>> and that ABS is not the great "safety feature" that you imagine it to be.
>> You were however offered it, and are entitled to some relief from this
>> situation.
>>
>> Earle
>>
> Yes, I agree that ABS has its limitations. However, I think part of
> its usefulness is taking the human error factor out of difficult
> situations. For example, I know what I'm supposed to do in the event
> of a skid: ease off then pump the brakes, steer in the direction of the
> skid etc. But despite knowing that, I remember what I actually did a
> few years ago when I got into a really bad skid: froze like a lemon,
> jammed my foot hard on the brake and locked the steering wheel, and
> stayed like that until the vehicle came to a stop. Instinctive
> reaction. That's where ABS would have helped.
>
> If I can't come to an agreement with the dealership I think I'll pay to
> have ABS installed myself, then try to get a refund of as great a
> portion of the cost of it as I can.
>
wheel speed sensors/tone rings (which may require new axles), wiring,
possibly a new ECM. I agree with Mike R. on this. And the dealership is
going to fight you every step of the way.
If any paperwork from the dealership indicates the presence of ABS and in
fact it does not have ABS, you'd probably have a case, espciailly now since
the service department has confirmed on paper the existence of ABS.
Have you confirmed whether or not it has ABS? I might have missed the post
if you did. Have you brought it in to have them examine it?
Personal opinions on ABS notwithstanding, the case here is the dealership
advertised and informed you that the vehicle has a feature which presumable
increased its value, when it in fact does not have that feature, in which
case the dealership should shoulder some liability. But be prepared for a
fight.
"Peter" <petgray@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138357435.594359.271970@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>> My personal opinion, is that you are blowing things way out of
>> proportion,
>> and that ABS is not the great "safety feature" that you imagine it to be.
>> You were however offered it, and are entitled to some relief from this
>> situation.
>>
>> Earle
>>
> Yes, I agree that ABS has its limitations. However, I think part of
> its usefulness is taking the human error factor out of difficult
> situations. For example, I know what I'm supposed to do in the event
> of a skid: ease off then pump the brakes, steer in the direction of the
> skid etc. But despite knowing that, I remember what I actually did a
> few years ago when I got into a really bad skid: froze like a lemon,
> jammed my foot hard on the brake and locked the steering wheel, and
> stayed like that until the vehicle came to a stop. Instinctive
> reaction. That's where ABS would have helped.
>
> If I can't come to an agreement with the dealership I think I'll pay to
> have ABS installed myself, then try to get a refund of as great a
> portion of the cost of it as I can.
>
#79
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep Cherokee ABS problem
ABS is not going to be an inexpensive retrofit. ABS computer module, pump,
wheel speed sensors/tone rings (which may require new axles), wiring,
possibly a new ECM. I agree with Mike R. on this. And the dealership is
going to fight you every step of the way.
If any paperwork from the dealership indicates the presence of ABS and in
fact it does not have ABS, you'd probably have a case, espciailly now since
the service department has confirmed on paper the existence of ABS.
Have you confirmed whether or not it has ABS? I might have missed the post
if you did. Have you brought it in to have them examine it?
Personal opinions on ABS notwithstanding, the case here is the dealership
advertised and informed you that the vehicle has a feature which presumable
increased its value, when it in fact does not have that feature, in which
case the dealership should shoulder some liability. But be prepared for a
fight.
"Peter" <petgray@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138357435.594359.271970@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>> My personal opinion, is that you are blowing things way out of
>> proportion,
>> and that ABS is not the great "safety feature" that you imagine it to be.
>> You were however offered it, and are entitled to some relief from this
>> situation.
>>
>> Earle
>>
> Yes, I agree that ABS has its limitations. However, I think part of
> its usefulness is taking the human error factor out of difficult
> situations. For example, I know what I'm supposed to do in the event
> of a skid: ease off then pump the brakes, steer in the direction of the
> skid etc. But despite knowing that, I remember what I actually did a
> few years ago when I got into a really bad skid: froze like a lemon,
> jammed my foot hard on the brake and locked the steering wheel, and
> stayed like that until the vehicle came to a stop. Instinctive
> reaction. That's where ABS would have helped.
>
> If I can't come to an agreement with the dealership I think I'll pay to
> have ABS installed myself, then try to get a refund of as great a
> portion of the cost of it as I can.
>
wheel speed sensors/tone rings (which may require new axles), wiring,
possibly a new ECM. I agree with Mike R. on this. And the dealership is
going to fight you every step of the way.
If any paperwork from the dealership indicates the presence of ABS and in
fact it does not have ABS, you'd probably have a case, espciailly now since
the service department has confirmed on paper the existence of ABS.
Have you confirmed whether or not it has ABS? I might have missed the post
if you did. Have you brought it in to have them examine it?
Personal opinions on ABS notwithstanding, the case here is the dealership
advertised and informed you that the vehicle has a feature which presumable
increased its value, when it in fact does not have that feature, in which
case the dealership should shoulder some liability. But be prepared for a
fight.
"Peter" <petgray@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138357435.594359.271970@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>> My personal opinion, is that you are blowing things way out of
>> proportion,
>> and that ABS is not the great "safety feature" that you imagine it to be.
>> You were however offered it, and are entitled to some relief from this
>> situation.
>>
>> Earle
>>
> Yes, I agree that ABS has its limitations. However, I think part of
> its usefulness is taking the human error factor out of difficult
> situations. For example, I know what I'm supposed to do in the event
> of a skid: ease off then pump the brakes, steer in the direction of the
> skid etc. But despite knowing that, I remember what I actually did a
> few years ago when I got into a really bad skid: froze like a lemon,
> jammed my foot hard on the brake and locked the steering wheel, and
> stayed like that until the vehicle came to a stop. Instinctive
> reaction. That's where ABS would have helped.
>
> If I can't come to an agreement with the dealership I think I'll pay to
> have ABS installed myself, then try to get a refund of as great a
> portion of the cost of it as I can.
>
#80
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep Cherokee ABS problem
Good evening. Here is the latest news in the saga of my Cherokee ABS
problem.
I took my jeep into the dealership where I bought it today, for the
mechanic to inspect it and decide whether it does, or does not, have
ABS fitted. I was expecting a prolonged agument with the mechanic
along the lines of "That's the ABS", "No, that's a spark plug", "Well
that must be the ABS then", "No, that's the fanbelt" so I went along
armed with diagrams of what a jeep ABS should, and should not, look
like. However, it was fortunately not necessary and the whole thing
was quite painless. The vehicle was inspected by their No. 2 mechanic
(not the guy who looked at it three weeks ago and told me the ABS was
working perfectly), he admitted after inspecting it for 2 minutes that
it didn't have ABS, the salesman was very apologetic, they are going to
speak to the dealership owner and let me know on Monday what they are
proposing to do to put things right. I'll let you know how it turns
out.
I really appreciate all the help from this newsgroup, Billy Ray in
particular, and it just goes to show the advantage of like minded
people putting their heads and thoughts together. Thanks.
problem.
I took my jeep into the dealership where I bought it today, for the
mechanic to inspect it and decide whether it does, or does not, have
ABS fitted. I was expecting a prolonged agument with the mechanic
along the lines of "That's the ABS", "No, that's a spark plug", "Well
that must be the ABS then", "No, that's the fanbelt" so I went along
armed with diagrams of what a jeep ABS should, and should not, look
like. However, it was fortunately not necessary and the whole thing
was quite painless. The vehicle was inspected by their No. 2 mechanic
(not the guy who looked at it three weeks ago and told me the ABS was
working perfectly), he admitted after inspecting it for 2 minutes that
it didn't have ABS, the salesman was very apologetic, they are going to
speak to the dealership owner and let me know on Monday what they are
proposing to do to put things right. I'll let you know how it turns
out.
I really appreciate all the help from this newsgroup, Billy Ray in
particular, and it just goes to show the advantage of like minded
people putting their heads and thoughts together. Thanks.