Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
10-27-2003, 11:43 PM
#31
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Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
Hi Matt,
Why does Daimler have to produce only mediocre vehicles to sell to
the masses, why can't they make a Jeep, comparable to the type of
machines they make for the road, like their Viper, or GM's Corvette, or
coming next year the Ford's GT, selling in excess of a hundred and fifty
thousand: http://www.cacfc.ca/new_page_3.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Take it easy, old timer. :-) If you know my posting history you will see that I
> am in complete agreement with you. Of course DC has to stay competitive so they
> have to introduce a more road-comfortable vehicle. I'm actually glad you take
> your Liberty off-road, while not as capable as a Wrangler due mainly to its IFS
> it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held against
> the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally agreed to
> have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
>
> My point was twofold...(1) that the "trail rated" advertising program DC is
> coming up with is just a marketing gimmick if it infers the Liberty is equal to
> a Wrangler in overall trail worthiness, and (2) they confirmed that "serious"
> off-road vehicles will remain in the lineup, presumably the TJ and the
> forthcoming Scrambler, though rumor has it that IFS is destined for the Grand
> Cherokee.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
Why does Daimler have to produce only mediocre vehicles to sell to
the masses, why can't they make a Jeep, comparable to the type of
machines they make for the road, like their Viper, or GM's Corvette, or
coming next year the Ford's GT, selling in excess of a hundred and fifty
thousand: http://www.cacfc.ca/new_page_3.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Take it easy, old timer. :-) If you know my posting history you will see that I
> am in complete agreement with you. Of course DC has to stay competitive so they
> have to introduce a more road-comfortable vehicle. I'm actually glad you take
> your Liberty off-road, while not as capable as a Wrangler due mainly to its IFS
> it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held against
> the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally agreed to
> have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
>
> My point was twofold...(1) that the "trail rated" advertising program DC is
> coming up with is just a marketing gimmick if it infers the Liberty is equal to
> a Wrangler in overall trail worthiness, and (2) they confirmed that "serious"
> off-road vehicles will remain in the lineup, presumably the TJ and the
> forthcoming Scrambler, though rumor has it that IFS is destined for the Grand
> Cherokee.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
10-28-2003, 04:33 AM
#32
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Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
They do - its called the Gelandewagen and costs 72,500K. Thank god they make
Jeeps as I can't afford one. Sadly I can't afford a Viper either.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F9DF3F6.FF8E9AC0@***.net...
: Hi Matt,
: Why does Daimler have to produce only mediocre vehicles to sell to
: the masses, why can't they make a Jeep, comparable to the type of
: machines they make for the road, like their Viper, or GM's Corvette, or
: coming next year the Ford's GT, selling in excess of a hundred and fifty
: thousand: http://www.cacfc.ca/new_page_3.htm
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
: >
: > Take it easy, old timer. :-) If you know my posting history you will see
that I
: > am in complete agreement with you. Of course DC has to stay competitive
so they
: > have to introduce a more road-comfortable vehicle. I'm actually glad you
take
: > your Liberty off-road, while not as capable as a Wrangler due mainly to
its IFS
: > it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held
against
: > the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally
agreed to
: > have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
: >
: > My point was twofold...(1) that the "trail rated" advertising program
DC is
: > coming up with is just a marketing gimmick if it infers the Liberty is
equal to
: > a Wrangler in overall trail worthiness, and (2) they confirmed that
"serious"
: > off-road vehicles will remain in the lineup, presumably the TJ and the
: > forthcoming Scrambler, though rumor has it that IFS is destined for the
Grand
: > Cherokee.
: > * * *
: > Matt Macchiarolo
: > www.townpeddler.com
: > www.wolverine4wd.org
: > http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
Jeeps as I can't afford one. Sadly I can't afford a Viper either.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F9DF3F6.FF8E9AC0@***.net...
: Hi Matt,
: Why does Daimler have to produce only mediocre vehicles to sell to
: the masses, why can't they make a Jeep, comparable to the type of
: machines they make for the road, like their Viper, or GM's Corvette, or
: coming next year the Ford's GT, selling in excess of a hundred and fifty
: thousand: http://www.cacfc.ca/new_page_3.htm
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
: >
: > Take it easy, old timer. :-) If you know my posting history you will see
that I
: > am in complete agreement with you. Of course DC has to stay competitive
so they
: > have to introduce a more road-comfortable vehicle. I'm actually glad you
take
: > your Liberty off-road, while not as capable as a Wrangler due mainly to
its IFS
: > it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held
against
: > the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally
agreed to
: > have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
: >
: > My point was twofold...(1) that the "trail rated" advertising program
DC is
: > coming up with is just a marketing gimmick if it infers the Liberty is
equal to
: > a Wrangler in overall trail worthiness, and (2) they confirmed that
"serious"
: > off-road vehicles will remain in the lineup, presumably the TJ and the
: > forthcoming Scrambler, though rumor has it that IFS is destined for the
Grand
: > Cherokee.
: > * * *
: > Matt Macchiarolo
: > www.townpeddler.com
: > www.wolverine4wd.org
: > http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
10-28-2003, 04:33 AM
#33
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Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
They do - its called the Gelandewagen and costs 72,500K. Thank god they make
Jeeps as I can't afford one. Sadly I can't afford a Viper either.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F9DF3F6.FF8E9AC0@***.net...
: Hi Matt,
: Why does Daimler have to produce only mediocre vehicles to sell to
: the masses, why can't they make a Jeep, comparable to the type of
: machines they make for the road, like their Viper, or GM's Corvette, or
: coming next year the Ford's GT, selling in excess of a hundred and fifty
: thousand: http://www.cacfc.ca/new_page_3.htm
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
: >
: > Take it easy, old timer. :-) If you know my posting history you will see
that I
: > am in complete agreement with you. Of course DC has to stay competitive
so they
: > have to introduce a more road-comfortable vehicle. I'm actually glad you
take
: > your Liberty off-road, while not as capable as a Wrangler due mainly to
its IFS
: > it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held
against
: > the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally
agreed to
: > have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
: >
: > My point was twofold...(1) that the "trail rated" advertising program
DC is
: > coming up with is just a marketing gimmick if it infers the Liberty is
equal to
: > a Wrangler in overall trail worthiness, and (2) they confirmed that
"serious"
: > off-road vehicles will remain in the lineup, presumably the TJ and the
: > forthcoming Scrambler, though rumor has it that IFS is destined for the
Grand
: > Cherokee.
: > * * *
: > Matt Macchiarolo
: > www.townpeddler.com
: > www.wolverine4wd.org
: > http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
Jeeps as I can't afford one. Sadly I can't afford a Viper either.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F9DF3F6.FF8E9AC0@***.net...
: Hi Matt,
: Why does Daimler have to produce only mediocre vehicles to sell to
: the masses, why can't they make a Jeep, comparable to the type of
: machines they make for the road, like their Viper, or GM's Corvette, or
: coming next year the Ford's GT, selling in excess of a hundred and fifty
: thousand: http://www.cacfc.ca/new_page_3.htm
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
: >
: > Take it easy, old timer. :-) If you know my posting history you will see
that I
: > am in complete agreement with you. Of course DC has to stay competitive
so they
: > have to introduce a more road-comfortable vehicle. I'm actually glad you
take
: > your Liberty off-road, while not as capable as a Wrangler due mainly to
its IFS
: > it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held
against
: > the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally
agreed to
: > have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
: >
: > My point was twofold...(1) that the "trail rated" advertising program
DC is
: > coming up with is just a marketing gimmick if it infers the Liberty is
equal to
: > a Wrangler in overall trail worthiness, and (2) they confirmed that
"serious"
: > off-road vehicles will remain in the lineup, presumably the TJ and the
: > forthcoming Scrambler, though rumor has it that IFS is destined for the
Grand
: > Cherokee.
: > * * *
: > Matt Macchiarolo
: > www.townpeddler.com
: > www.wolverine4wd.org
: > http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
10-28-2003, 04:33 AM
#34
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Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
They do - its called the Gelandewagen and costs 72,500K. Thank god they make
Jeeps as I can't afford one. Sadly I can't afford a Viper either.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F9DF3F6.FF8E9AC0@***.net...
: Hi Matt,
: Why does Daimler have to produce only mediocre vehicles to sell to
: the masses, why can't they make a Jeep, comparable to the type of
: machines they make for the road, like their Viper, or GM's Corvette, or
: coming next year the Ford's GT, selling in excess of a hundred and fifty
: thousand: http://www.cacfc.ca/new_page_3.htm
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
: >
: > Take it easy, old timer. :-) If you know my posting history you will see
that I
: > am in complete agreement with you. Of course DC has to stay competitive
so they
: > have to introduce a more road-comfortable vehicle. I'm actually glad you
take
: > your Liberty off-road, while not as capable as a Wrangler due mainly to
its IFS
: > it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held
against
: > the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally
agreed to
: > have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
: >
: > My point was twofold...(1) that the "trail rated" advertising program
DC is
: > coming up with is just a marketing gimmick if it infers the Liberty is
equal to
: > a Wrangler in overall trail worthiness, and (2) they confirmed that
"serious"
: > off-road vehicles will remain in the lineup, presumably the TJ and the
: > forthcoming Scrambler, though rumor has it that IFS is destined for the
Grand
: > Cherokee.
: > * * *
: > Matt Macchiarolo
: > www.townpeddler.com
: > www.wolverine4wd.org
: > http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
Jeeps as I can't afford one. Sadly I can't afford a Viper either.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F9DF3F6.FF8E9AC0@***.net...
: Hi Matt,
: Why does Daimler have to produce only mediocre vehicles to sell to
: the masses, why can't they make a Jeep, comparable to the type of
: machines they make for the road, like their Viper, or GM's Corvette, or
: coming next year the Ford's GT, selling in excess of a hundred and fifty
: thousand: http://www.cacfc.ca/new_page_3.htm
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
: >
: > Take it easy, old timer. :-) If you know my posting history you will see
that I
: > am in complete agreement with you. Of course DC has to stay competitive
so they
: > have to introduce a more road-comfortable vehicle. I'm actually glad you
take
: > your Liberty off-road, while not as capable as a Wrangler due mainly to
its IFS
: > it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held
against
: > the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally
agreed to
: > have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
: >
: > My point was twofold...(1) that the "trail rated" advertising program
DC is
: > coming up with is just a marketing gimmick if it infers the Liberty is
equal to
: > a Wrangler in overall trail worthiness, and (2) they confirmed that
"serious"
: > off-road vehicles will remain in the lineup, presumably the TJ and the
: > forthcoming Scrambler, though rumor has it that IFS is destined for the
Grand
: > Cherokee.
: > * * *
: > Matt Macchiarolo
: > www.townpeddler.com
: > www.wolverine4wd.org
: > http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
10-28-2003, 04:34 AM
#35
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Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
unfair, but very funny :-)
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F9DEF02.3E9B4695@***.net...
: I was thinking more along the lines of lifting up the radiator cap
: and sliding in a Real Jeep.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: jbjeep wrote:
: >
: > Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to
do is cut
: > everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the
vehicle. LOL.
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F9DEF02.3E9B4695@***.net...
: I was thinking more along the lines of lifting up the radiator cap
: and sliding in a Real Jeep.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: jbjeep wrote:
: >
: > Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to
do is cut
: > everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the
vehicle. LOL.
10-28-2003, 04:34 AM
#36
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Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
unfair, but very funny :-)
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F9DEF02.3E9B4695@***.net...
: I was thinking more along the lines of lifting up the radiator cap
: and sliding in a Real Jeep.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: jbjeep wrote:
: >
: > Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to
do is cut
: > everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the
vehicle. LOL.
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F9DEF02.3E9B4695@***.net...
: I was thinking more along the lines of lifting up the radiator cap
: and sliding in a Real Jeep.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: jbjeep wrote:
: >
: > Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to
do is cut
: > everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the
vehicle. LOL.
10-28-2003, 04:34 AM
#37
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Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
unfair, but very funny :-)
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F9DEF02.3E9B4695@***.net...
: I was thinking more along the lines of lifting up the radiator cap
: and sliding in a Real Jeep.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: jbjeep wrote:
: >
: > Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to
do is cut
: > everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the
vehicle. LOL.
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F9DEF02.3E9B4695@***.net...
: I was thinking more along the lines of lifting up the radiator cap
: and sliding in a Real Jeep.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: jbjeep wrote:
: >
: > Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to
do is cut
: > everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the
vehicle. LOL.
10-28-2003, 10:19 AM
#38
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Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
>it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held
against
>the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally agreed to
>have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
That and the fact that the Liberty is smaller than the Cherokee. While going
camping up north, we had the choice of three vehicles: My 10 year old XJ, a
one year old KJ, or a Ford Ranger. Guess which one we took...
Hopefully I'll be able to find another good used XJ when mine finally dies, or
be able to afford a WJ. The KJ (and TJ) simply do not fit my needs.
--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN to email, remove the "q" from my address
against
>the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally agreed to
>have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
That and the fact that the Liberty is smaller than the Cherokee. While going
camping up north, we had the choice of three vehicles: My 10 year old XJ, a
one year old KJ, or a Ford Ranger. Guess which one we took...
Hopefully I'll be able to find another good used XJ when mine finally dies, or
be able to afford a WJ. The KJ (and TJ) simply do not fit my needs.
--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN to email, remove the "q" from my address
10-28-2003, 10:19 AM
#39
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Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
>it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held
against
>the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally agreed to
>have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
That and the fact that the Liberty is smaller than the Cherokee. While going
camping up north, we had the choice of three vehicles: My 10 year old XJ, a
one year old KJ, or a Ford Ranger. Guess which one we took...
Hopefully I'll be able to find another good used XJ when mine finally dies, or
be able to afford a WJ. The KJ (and TJ) simply do not fit my needs.
--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN to email, remove the "q" from my address
against
>the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally agreed to
>have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
That and the fact that the Liberty is smaller than the Cherokee. While going
camping up north, we had the choice of three vehicles: My 10 year old XJ, a
one year old KJ, or a Ford Ranger. Guess which one we took...
Hopefully I'll be able to find another good used XJ when mine finally dies, or
be able to afford a WJ. The KJ (and TJ) simply do not fit my needs.
--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN to email, remove the "q" from my address
10-28-2003, 10:19 AM
#40
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Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
>it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held
against
>the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally agreed to
>have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
That and the fact that the Liberty is smaller than the Cherokee. While going
camping up north, we had the choice of three vehicles: My 10 year old XJ, a
one year old KJ, or a Ford Ranger. Guess which one we took...
Hopefully I'll be able to find another good used XJ when mine finally dies, or
be able to afford a WJ. The KJ (and TJ) simply do not fit my needs.
--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN to email, remove the "q" from my address
against
>the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally agreed to
>have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
That and the fact that the Liberty is smaller than the Cherokee. While going
camping up north, we had the choice of three vehicles: My 10 year old XJ, a
one year old KJ, or a Ford Ranger. Guess which one we took...
Hopefully I'll be able to find another good used XJ when mine finally dies, or
be able to afford a WJ. The KJ (and TJ) simply do not fit my needs.
--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN to email, remove the "q" from my address
