Re: Ignition switch/lock problem
 

I think they changed steering column makers Jeff. The older ones were
Saginaw like the CJ's, but not with the last few years. The Saginaw
ones were too easy to fix eh, no hours or $$$ in them.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Jeff Strickland wrote:
> Are you sure of that?
>
> The lock set is way up high on the steering column, and the ignition
> switch itself is down by the brake pedal. There is a linkage that
> connects the two.
>
> I have not done this job on an XJ, but I did it on my Ford and my CJ5,
> and both had the same configuration -- albeit different parts and a a
> variation on the implementation of them. I have no reason to expect the
> XJ to be very much different than my
> CJ.
>
> In any case, the OP will be able to see the broken stuff once he gets
> the steering wheel and lock plate and (maybe) the turn signal switch off.
>
>
>
>
>
> "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
> news:sdg8a315rvtv2klr33k91iqco432ug9mln@4ax.com...
>> There is no rack. Since the ignition lock cylinder goes directly into
>> the switch, there is no linkage between the two.
>>
>> Most llikely, and most common failure is the ignition lock cylinder.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:45:10 -0400, Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That sounds like it fits, do you think the rack is bad? What part do I
>>> ask for?
>>>
>>> Is this the same bar that releases the steering lock? When the cover
>>> was off today I could see that moving back and forth.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>> My vote is on the linkage between the lock set and the switch.
>>>>
>>>> The lock set has a gear on the back that engages a rack that pulls a
>>>> bar
>>>> that operates the switch. Your trouble is in the rack.
>>>>
>>>> You have to remove the steering wheel and the steering lock ring and
>>>> part of the shrouding between the back of the steering wheel and the
>>>> dash board. If you have tilt steering, you have to take that apart as
>>>> well. It's really not very difficult, you will need a GM Steering Wheel
>>>> Lock Ring Removal Tool as the only special tool, and you can use the
>>>> loaners at Autozone, or buy one for about $10.
>>>>
>>>> The turn signal switch is in your way too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:46a3e2e6$0$29639$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>> My 96 XJ has something like 330k on it and the ignition switch and
>>>>> lock has never given any trouble until today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Got in the Jeep, turned the key and it felt like something went
>>>>> "crunch", and when it got to the start position nothing happend.
>>>>>
>>>>> The dash lights come on, and with a push I got it started and home
>>>>> (thank goodness for stick shifts!). It's now hotwired so I can get to
>>>>> work until it's fixed but what to fix?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking it's the ignition switch, the key turns all the way but
>>>>> the starter never engages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>>
>

Re: Ignition switch/lock problem
 

I think they changed steering column makers Jeff. The older ones were
Saginaw like the CJ's, but not with the last few years. The Saginaw
ones were too easy to fix eh, no hours or $$$ in them.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Jeff Strickland wrote:
> Are you sure of that?
>
> The lock set is way up high on the steering column, and the ignition
> switch itself is down by the brake pedal. There is a linkage that
> connects the two.
>
> I have not done this job on an XJ, but I did it on my Ford and my CJ5,
> and both had the same configuration -- albeit different parts and a a
> variation on the implementation of them. I have no reason to expect the
> XJ to be very much different than my
> CJ.
>
> In any case, the OP will be able to see the broken stuff once he gets
> the steering wheel and lock plate and (maybe) the turn signal switch off.
>
>
>
>
>
> "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
> news:sdg8a315rvtv2klr33k91iqco432ug9mln@4ax.com...
>> There is no rack. Since the ignition lock cylinder goes directly into
>> the switch, there is no linkage between the two.
>>
>> Most llikely, and most common failure is the ignition lock cylinder.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:45:10 -0400, Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That sounds like it fits, do you think the rack is bad? What part do I
>>> ask for?
>>>
>>> Is this the same bar that releases the steering lock? When the cover
>>> was off today I could see that moving back and forth.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>> My vote is on the linkage between the lock set and the switch.
>>>>
>>>> The lock set has a gear on the back that engages a rack that pulls a
>>>> bar
>>>> that operates the switch. Your trouble is in the rack.
>>>>
>>>> You have to remove the steering wheel and the steering lock ring and
>>>> part of the shrouding between the back of the steering wheel and the
>>>> dash board. If you have tilt steering, you have to take that apart as
>>>> well. It's really not very difficult, you will need a GM Steering Wheel
>>>> Lock Ring Removal Tool as the only special tool, and you can use the
>>>> loaners at Autozone, or buy one for about $10.
>>>>
>>>> The turn signal switch is in your way too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:46a3e2e6$0$29639$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>> My 96 XJ has something like 330k on it and the ignition switch and
>>>>> lock has never given any trouble until today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Got in the Jeep, turned the key and it felt like something went
>>>>> "crunch", and when it got to the start position nothing happend.
>>>>>
>>>>> The dash lights come on, and with a push I got it started and home
>>>>> (thank goodness for stick shifts!). It's now hotwired so I can get to
>>>>> work until it's fixed but what to fix?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking it's the ignition switch, the key turns all the way but
>>>>> the starter never engages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>>
>

Re: Ignition switch/lock problem
 

I think they changed steering column makers Jeff. The older ones were
Saginaw like the CJ's, but not with the last few years. The Saginaw
ones were too easy to fix eh, no hours or $$$ in them.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Jeff Strickland wrote:
> Are you sure of that?
>
> The lock set is way up high on the steering column, and the ignition
> switch itself is down by the brake pedal. There is a linkage that
> connects the two.
>
> I have not done this job on an XJ, but I did it on my Ford and my CJ5,
> and both had the same configuration -- albeit different parts and a a
> variation on the implementation of them. I have no reason to expect the
> XJ to be very much different than my
> CJ.
>
> In any case, the OP will be able to see the broken stuff once he gets
> the steering wheel and lock plate and (maybe) the turn signal switch off.
>
>
>
>
>
> "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
> news:sdg8a315rvtv2klr33k91iqco432ug9mln@4ax.com...
>> There is no rack. Since the ignition lock cylinder goes directly into
>> the switch, there is no linkage between the two.
>>
>> Most llikely, and most common failure is the ignition lock cylinder.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:45:10 -0400, Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That sounds like it fits, do you think the rack is bad? What part do I
>>> ask for?
>>>
>>> Is this the same bar that releases the steering lock? When the cover
>>> was off today I could see that moving back and forth.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>> My vote is on the linkage between the lock set and the switch.
>>>>
>>>> The lock set has a gear on the back that engages a rack that pulls a
>>>> bar
>>>> that operates the switch. Your trouble is in the rack.
>>>>
>>>> You have to remove the steering wheel and the steering lock ring and
>>>> part of the shrouding between the back of the steering wheel and the
>>>> dash board. If you have tilt steering, you have to take that apart as
>>>> well. It's really not very difficult, you will need a GM Steering Wheel
>>>> Lock Ring Removal Tool as the only special tool, and you can use the
>>>> loaners at Autozone, or buy one for about $10.
>>>>
>>>> The turn signal switch is in your way too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:46a3e2e6$0$29639$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>> My 96 XJ has something like 330k on it and the ignition switch and
>>>>> lock has never given any trouble until today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Got in the Jeep, turned the key and it felt like something went
>>>>> "crunch", and when it got to the start position nothing happend.
>>>>>
>>>>> The dash lights come on, and with a push I got it started and home
>>>>> (thank goodness for stick shifts!). It's now hotwired so I can get to
>>>>> work until it's fixed but what to fix?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking it's the ignition switch, the key turns all the way but
>>>>> the starter never engages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>>
>

Re: Ignition switch/lock problem
 

Hi Jeff

I had the exact same problem with my 87 XJ.

The keyswitch is different from your 96, AMC vs Chrysler. However, I
suspect the ignition switch is the same. The switch was badly burned
from starter current through the contacts. Looks like photo from
DougW.

I jumpered the soleniod to a heavy duty switch on the dash. I replaced
the ignition switch but still use the dash switch for starting so I
won't need to replace the switch again.

It is a pig to change because you must remove a panel and work under
the dash, but it just takes a little patience.

Merrill

On Jul 22, 7:06 pm, Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeW...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> My 96 XJ has something like 330k on it and the ignition switch and lock
> has never given any trouble until today.
>
> Got in the Jeep, turned the key and it felt like something went
> "crunch", and when it got to the start position nothing happend.
>
> The dash lights come on, and with a push I got it started and home
> (thank goodness for stick shifts!). It's now hotwired so I can get to
> work until it's fixed but what to fix?
>
> I'm thinking it's the ignition switch, the key turns all the way but the
> starter never engages.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeff DeWitt

Re: Ignition switch/lock problem
 

Hi Jeff

I had the exact same problem with my 87 XJ.

The keyswitch is different from your 96, AMC vs Chrysler. However, I
suspect the ignition switch is the same. The switch was badly burned
from starter current through the contacts. Looks like photo from
DougW.

I jumpered the soleniod to a heavy duty switch on the dash. I replaced
the ignition switch but still use the dash switch for starting so I
won't need to replace the switch again.

It is a pig to change because you must remove a panel and work under
the dash, but it just takes a little patience.

Merrill

On Jul 22, 7:06 pm, Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeW...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> My 96 XJ has something like 330k on it and the ignition switch and lock
> has never given any trouble until today.
>
> Got in the Jeep, turned the key and it felt like something went
> "crunch", and when it got to the start position nothing happend.
>
> The dash lights come on, and with a push I got it started and home
> (thank goodness for stick shifts!). It's now hotwired so I can get to
> work until it's fixed but what to fix?
>
> I'm thinking it's the ignition switch, the key turns all the way but the
> starter never engages.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeff DeWitt

Re: Ignition switch/lock problem
 

Hi Jeff

I had the exact same problem with my 87 XJ.

The keyswitch is different from your 96, AMC vs Chrysler. However, I
suspect the ignition switch is the same. The switch was badly burned
from starter current through the contacts. Looks like photo from
DougW.

I jumpered the soleniod to a heavy duty switch on the dash. I replaced
the ignition switch but still use the dash switch for starting so I
won't need to replace the switch again.

It is a pig to change because you must remove a panel and work under
the dash, but it just takes a little patience.

Merrill

On Jul 22, 7:06 pm, Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeW...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> My 96 XJ has something like 330k on it and the ignition switch and lock
> has never given any trouble until today.
>
> Got in the Jeep, turned the key and it felt like something went
> "crunch", and when it got to the start position nothing happend.
>
> The dash lights come on, and with a push I got it started and home
> (thank goodness for stick shifts!). It's now hotwired so I can get to
> work until it's fixed but what to fix?
>
> I'm thinking it's the ignition switch, the key turns all the way but the
> starter never engages.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeff DeWitt

Re: Ignition switch/lock problem
 

Hi Jeff

I had the exact same problem with my 87 XJ.

The keyswitch is different from your 96, AMC vs Chrysler. However, I
suspect the ignition switch is the same. The switch was badly burned
from starter current through the contacts. Looks like photo from
DougW.

I jumpered the soleniod to a heavy duty switch on the dash. I replaced
the ignition switch but still use the dash switch for starting so I
won't need to replace the switch again.

It is a pig to change because you must remove a panel and work under
the dash, but it just takes a little patience.

Merrill

On Jul 22, 7:06 pm, Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeW...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> My 96 XJ has something like 330k on it and the ignition switch and lock
> has never given any trouble until today.
>
> Got in the Jeep, turned the key and it felt like something went
> "crunch", and when it got to the start position nothing happend.
>
> The dash lights come on, and with a push I got it started and home
> (thank goodness for stick shifts!). It's now hotwired so I can get to
> work until it's fixed but what to fix?
>
> I'm thinking it's the ignition switch, the key turns all the way but the
> starter never engages.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeff DeWitt

Re: Ignition switch/lock problem
 

Thanks everyone. As apparently I can't really be sure what is broken
until the steering column comes apart I'm going to rig a temporary start
button under the dash.

I live kind of out in the boonies and currently only have just the Jeep
working so if it's taken apart and I can't fix it right away I've got a
real problem!

So it's going to wait until I get my truck back together. It's not a
Jeep but if anyone is curious you can see pictures here:

Here is what it looked like a few years ago after a quickie paint job:

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q...t/IM001571.jpg

Here is what it looks like today, I'll be adding pictures to this as the
project progresses.

http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q...amp%20project/

Jeff DeWitt

Re: Ignition switch/lock problem
 

Thanks everyone. As apparently I can't really be sure what is broken
until the steering column comes apart I'm going to rig a temporary start
button under the dash.

I live kind of out in the boonies and currently only have just the Jeep
working so if it's taken apart and I can't fix it right away I've got a
real problem!

So it's going to wait until I get my truck back together. It's not a
Jeep but if anyone is curious you can see pictures here:

Here is what it looked like a few years ago after a quickie paint job:

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q...t/IM001571.jpg

Here is what it looks like today, I'll be adding pictures to this as the
project progresses.

http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q...amp%20project/

Jeff DeWitt

Re: Ignition switch/lock problem
 

Thanks everyone. As apparently I can't really be sure what is broken
until the steering column comes apart I'm going to rig a temporary start
button under the dash.

I live kind of out in the boonies and currently only have just the Jeep
working so if it's taken apart and I can't fix it right away I've got a
real problem!

So it's going to wait until I get my truck back together. It's not a
Jeep but if anyone is curious you can see pictures here:

Here is what it looked like a few years ago after a quickie paint job:

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q...t/IM001571.jpg

Here is what it looks like today, I'll be adding pictures to this as the
project progresses.

http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q...amp%20project/

Jeff DeWitt