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Jeff DeWitt 07-22-2007 09:45 PM

Re: Ignition switch/lock problem
 
That sounds like it fits, do you think the rack is bad? What part do I
ask for?

Is this the same bar that releases the steering lock? When the cover
was off today I could see that moving back and forth.

Thanks!

Jeff DeWitt

Jeff Strickland wrote:
> My vote is on the linkage between the lock set and the switch.
>
> The lock set has a gear on the back that engages a rack that pulls a bar
> that operates the switch. Your trouble is in the rack.
>
> You have to remove the steering wheel and the steering lock ring and
> part of the shrouding between the back of the steering wheel and the
> dash board. If you have tilt steering, you have to take that apart as
> well. It's really not very difficult, you will need a GM Steering Wheel
> Lock Ring Removal Tool as the only special tool, and you can use the
> loaners at Autozone, or buy one for about $10.
>
> The turn signal switch is in your way too.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:46a3e2e6$0$29639$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> My 96 XJ has something like 330k on it and the ignition switch and
>> lock has never given any trouble until today.
>>
>> Got in the Jeep, turned the key and it felt like something went
>> "crunch", and when it got to the start position nothing happend.
>>
>> The dash lights come on, and with a push I got it started and home
>> (thank goodness for stick shifts!). It's now hotwired so I can get to
>> work until it's fixed but what to fix?
>>
>> I'm thinking it's the ignition switch, the key turns all the way but
>> the starter never engages.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt

>


Jeff DeWitt 07-22-2007 09:45 PM

Re: Ignition switch/lock problem
 
That sounds like it fits, do you think the rack is bad? What part do I
ask for?

Is this the same bar that releases the steering lock? When the cover
was off today I could see that moving back and forth.

Thanks!

Jeff DeWitt

Jeff Strickland wrote:
> My vote is on the linkage between the lock set and the switch.
>
> The lock set has a gear on the back that engages a rack that pulls a bar
> that operates the switch. Your trouble is in the rack.
>
> You have to remove the steering wheel and the steering lock ring and
> part of the shrouding between the back of the steering wheel and the
> dash board. If you have tilt steering, you have to take that apart as
> well. It's really not very difficult, you will need a GM Steering Wheel
> Lock Ring Removal Tool as the only special tool, and you can use the
> loaners at Autozone, or buy one for about $10.
>
> The turn signal switch is in your way too.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:46a3e2e6$0$29639$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> My 96 XJ has something like 330k on it and the ignition switch and
>> lock has never given any trouble until today.
>>
>> Got in the Jeep, turned the key and it felt like something went
>> "crunch", and when it got to the start position nothing happend.
>>
>> The dash lights come on, and with a push I got it started and home
>> (thank goodness for stick shifts!). It's now hotwired so I can get to
>> work until it's fixed but what to fix?
>>
>> I'm thinking it's the ignition switch, the key turns all the way but
>> the starter never engages.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt

>


Jeff DeWitt 07-22-2007 09:45 PM

Re: Ignition switch/lock problem
 
That sounds like it fits, do you think the rack is bad? What part do I
ask for?

Is this the same bar that releases the steering lock? When the cover
was off today I could see that moving back and forth.

Thanks!

Jeff DeWitt

Jeff Strickland wrote:
> My vote is on the linkage between the lock set and the switch.
>
> The lock set has a gear on the back that engages a rack that pulls a bar
> that operates the switch. Your trouble is in the rack.
>
> You have to remove the steering wheel and the steering lock ring and
> part of the shrouding between the back of the steering wheel and the
> dash board. If you have tilt steering, you have to take that apart as
> well. It's really not very difficult, you will need a GM Steering Wheel
> Lock Ring Removal Tool as the only special tool, and you can use the
> loaners at Autozone, or buy one for about $10.
>
> The turn signal switch is in your way too.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:46a3e2e6$0$29639$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> My 96 XJ has something like 330k on it and the ignition switch and
>> lock has never given any trouble until today.
>>
>> Got in the Jeep, turned the key and it felt like something went
>> "crunch", and when it got to the start position nothing happend.
>>
>> The dash lights come on, and with a push I got it started and home
>> (thank goodness for stick shifts!). It's now hotwired so I can get to
>> work until it's fixed but what to fix?
>>
>> I'm thinking it's the ignition switch, the key turns all the way but
>> the starter never engages.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt

>


Jeff DeWitt 07-22-2007 09:47 PM

Re: Ignition switch/lock problem
 
DougW wrote:
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>> My 96 XJ has something like 330k on it and the ignition switch and
>> lock has never given any trouble until today.
>>
>> Got in the Jeep, turned the key and it felt like something went
>> "crunch", and when it got to the start position nothing happend.
>>
>> The dash lights come on, and with a push I got it started and home
>> (thank goodness for stick shifts!). It's now hotwired so I can get to
>> work until it's fixed but what to fix?
>>
>> I'm thinking it's the ignition switch, the key turns all the way but
>> the starter never engages.

>
> Not having the book on your model I'm going to take a wild running guess.
>
> My guess is the switch broke. Depending on the model this switch is
> located down the column and not up by the actual key.
>
> Suspect yours looks like this.
> http://www.teamgrandwagoneer.com/par...ailed/458.html
> Can't find one for the 96, that's up to 94.
>
>


Thanks Doug, according to Autozone it looks like this,

http://autozone.com/R,APP379031/vehi...ductDetail.htm

And that does look like what is in the column.

Jeff DeWitt

Jeff DeWitt 07-22-2007 09:47 PM

Re: Ignition switch/lock problem
 
DougW wrote:
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>> My 96 XJ has something like 330k on it and the ignition switch and
>> lock has never given any trouble until today.
>>
>> Got in the Jeep, turned the key and it felt like something went
>> "crunch", and when it got to the start position nothing happend.
>>
>> The dash lights come on, and with a push I got it started and home
>> (thank goodness for stick shifts!). It's now hotwired so I can get to
>> work until it's fixed but what to fix?
>>
>> I'm thinking it's the ignition switch, the key turns all the way but
>> the starter never engages.

>
> Not having the book on your model I'm going to take a wild running guess.
>
> My guess is the switch broke. Depending on the model this switch is
> located down the column and not up by the actual key.
>
> Suspect yours looks like this.
> http://www.teamgrandwagoneer.com/par...ailed/458.html
> Can't find one for the 96, that's up to 94.
>
>


Thanks Doug, according to Autozone it looks like this,

http://autozone.com/R,APP379031/vehi...ductDetail.htm

And that does look like what is in the column.

Jeff DeWitt

Jeff DeWitt 07-22-2007 09:47 PM

Re: Ignition switch/lock problem
 
DougW wrote:
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>> My 96 XJ has something like 330k on it and the ignition switch and
>> lock has never given any trouble until today.
>>
>> Got in the Jeep, turned the key and it felt like something went
>> "crunch", and when it got to the start position nothing happend.
>>
>> The dash lights come on, and with a push I got it started and home
>> (thank goodness for stick shifts!). It's now hotwired so I can get to
>> work until it's fixed but what to fix?
>>
>> I'm thinking it's the ignition switch, the key turns all the way but
>> the starter never engages.

>
> Not having the book on your model I'm going to take a wild running guess.
>
> My guess is the switch broke. Depending on the model this switch is
> located down the column and not up by the actual key.
>
> Suspect yours looks like this.
> http://www.teamgrandwagoneer.com/par...ailed/458.html
> Can't find one for the 96, that's up to 94.
>
>


Thanks Doug, according to Autozone it looks like this,

http://autozone.com/R,APP379031/vehi...ductDetail.htm

And that does look like what is in the column.

Jeff DeWitt

Jeff DeWitt 07-22-2007 09:47 PM

Re: Ignition switch/lock problem
 
DougW wrote:
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>> My 96 XJ has something like 330k on it and the ignition switch and
>> lock has never given any trouble until today.
>>
>> Got in the Jeep, turned the key and it felt like something went
>> "crunch", and when it got to the start position nothing happend.
>>
>> The dash lights come on, and with a push I got it started and home
>> (thank goodness for stick shifts!). It's now hotwired so I can get to
>> work until it's fixed but what to fix?
>>
>> I'm thinking it's the ignition switch, the key turns all the way but
>> the starter never engages.

>
> Not having the book on your model I'm going to take a wild running guess.
>
> My guess is the switch broke. Depending on the model this switch is
> located down the column and not up by the actual key.
>
> Suspect yours looks like this.
> http://www.teamgrandwagoneer.com/par...ailed/458.html
> Can't find one for the 96, that's up to 94.
>
>


Thanks Doug, according to Autozone it looks like this,

http://autozone.com/R,APP379031/vehi...ductDetail.htm

And that does look like what is in the column.

Jeff DeWitt

bllsht 07-23-2007 01:53 AM

Re: Ignition switch/lock problem
 
There is no rack. Since the ignition lock cylinder goes directly into
the switch, there is no linkage between the two.

Most llikely, and most common failure is the ignition lock cylinder.


On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:45:10 -0400, Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com>
wrote:

>That sounds like it fits, do you think the rack is bad? What part do I
>ask for?
>
>Is this the same bar that releases the steering lock? When the cover
>was off today I could see that moving back and forth.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Jeff DeWitt
>
>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> My vote is on the linkage between the lock set and the switch.
>>
>> The lock set has a gear on the back that engages a rack that pulls a bar
>> that operates the switch. Your trouble is in the rack.
>>
>> You have to remove the steering wheel and the steering lock ring and
>> part of the shrouding between the back of the steering wheel and the
>> dash board. If you have tilt steering, you have to take that apart as
>> well. It's really not very difficult, you will need a GM Steering Wheel
>> Lock Ring Removal Tool as the only special tool, and you can use the
>> loaners at Autozone, or buy one for about $10.
>>
>> The turn signal switch is in your way too.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:46a3e2e6$0$29639$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> My 96 XJ has something like 330k on it and the ignition switch and
>>> lock has never given any trouble until today.
>>>
>>> Got in the Jeep, turned the key and it felt like something went
>>> "crunch", and when it got to the start position nothing happend.
>>>
>>> The dash lights come on, and with a push I got it started and home
>>> (thank goodness for stick shifts!). It's now hotwired so I can get to
>>> work until it's fixed but what to fix?
>>>
>>> I'm thinking it's the ignition switch, the key turns all the way but
>>> the starter never engages.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jeff DeWitt

>>


bllsht 07-23-2007 01:53 AM

Re: Ignition switch/lock problem
 
There is no rack. Since the ignition lock cylinder goes directly into
the switch, there is no linkage between the two.

Most llikely, and most common failure is the ignition lock cylinder.


On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:45:10 -0400, Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com>
wrote:

>That sounds like it fits, do you think the rack is bad? What part do I
>ask for?
>
>Is this the same bar that releases the steering lock? When the cover
>was off today I could see that moving back and forth.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Jeff DeWitt
>
>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> My vote is on the linkage between the lock set and the switch.
>>
>> The lock set has a gear on the back that engages a rack that pulls a bar
>> that operates the switch. Your trouble is in the rack.
>>
>> You have to remove the steering wheel and the steering lock ring and
>> part of the shrouding between the back of the steering wheel and the
>> dash board. If you have tilt steering, you have to take that apart as
>> well. It's really not very difficult, you will need a GM Steering Wheel
>> Lock Ring Removal Tool as the only special tool, and you can use the
>> loaners at Autozone, or buy one for about $10.
>>
>> The turn signal switch is in your way too.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:46a3e2e6$0$29639$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> My 96 XJ has something like 330k on it and the ignition switch and
>>> lock has never given any trouble until today.
>>>
>>> Got in the Jeep, turned the key and it felt like something went
>>> "crunch", and when it got to the start position nothing happend.
>>>
>>> The dash lights come on, and with a push I got it started and home
>>> (thank goodness for stick shifts!). It's now hotwired so I can get to
>>> work until it's fixed but what to fix?
>>>
>>> I'm thinking it's the ignition switch, the key turns all the way but
>>> the starter never engages.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jeff DeWitt

>>


bllsht 07-23-2007 01:53 AM

Re: Ignition switch/lock problem
 
There is no rack. Since the ignition lock cylinder goes directly into
the switch, there is no linkage between the two.

Most llikely, and most common failure is the ignition lock cylinder.


On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:45:10 -0400, Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com>
wrote:

>That sounds like it fits, do you think the rack is bad? What part do I
>ask for?
>
>Is this the same bar that releases the steering lock? When the cover
>was off today I could see that moving back and forth.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Jeff DeWitt
>
>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> My vote is on the linkage between the lock set and the switch.
>>
>> The lock set has a gear on the back that engages a rack that pulls a bar
>> that operates the switch. Your trouble is in the rack.
>>
>> You have to remove the steering wheel and the steering lock ring and
>> part of the shrouding between the back of the steering wheel and the
>> dash board. If you have tilt steering, you have to take that apart as
>> well. It's really not very difficult, you will need a GM Steering Wheel
>> Lock Ring Removal Tool as the only special tool, and you can use the
>> loaners at Autozone, or buy one for about $10.
>>
>> The turn signal switch is in your way too.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:46a3e2e6$0$29639$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> My 96 XJ has something like 330k on it and the ignition switch and
>>> lock has never given any trouble until today.
>>>
>>> Got in the Jeep, turned the key and it felt like something went
>>> "crunch", and when it got to the start position nothing happend.
>>>
>>> The dash lights come on, and with a push I got it started and home
>>> (thank goodness for stick shifts!). It's now hotwired so I can get to
>>> work until it's fixed but what to fix?
>>>
>>> I'm thinking it's the ignition switch, the key turns all the way but
>>> the starter never engages.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jeff DeWitt

>>



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