I have to speak my mind
12-28-2003, 01:26 PM
#21
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Posts: n/a
Re: I have to speak my mind
Amen, J.B.! It's a big internet... There are other places to talk Jeep,
guys... Look around.
n.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:tVDHb.31756$gN.9106@fed1read05...
>
> "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8DDHb.9096$lo3.7674@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> > Ditto 100 percent, Jim & Chris.
> >
> > You can still pick up some good Jeepin info in here sometimes, but it
> seems
> > folks concentrate on the negative BS too damn much anymore. The group
> sure
> > isn't what it used to be 3-4 years ago.
>
> Exactly... and there are always the same two self-righteous names right in
> the middle of all the "negative BS"... which is why I spend about 1% of
the
> time I used to in this formerly fun to belong to group. And while they
> spend their time proclaiming their love of Jeep, they're in spirit the
> biggest Jeep haters I've ever known.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
> >
> > Terry.
> >
> >
> > "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:FIadnUkSYb1uSnOiRVn-sw@comcast.com...
> > > "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
> > > news:0buHb.191833$Eq1.4564@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > What the hell has happened to this newsgroup?
> > >
> > > See my personal comments below:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > We have a zillion responses to one SPAM ad that end up in a bunch of
> > > > immature name calling and other crap.
> > >
> > > This has become a trend lately. We used to simply report the SPAM and
> > post
> > > the report. Now, it seems that everything ends up as a bickering
> contest.
> > > Unfortunate.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > We have people calling another person's jeep a "load of ----". (No
> class
> > > > whatsoever. If someone is happy with their own vehicle, what gives
> > anyone
> > > > the right to call it a POS?)
> > >
> > > I totally agree. It's childish. I don't call anyone else's ride a
POS,
> > and
> > > I don't feel that anyone else has the right, either. If you don't
like
> > it,
> > > keep your opinions to your self. Personally, I'd be inclined to
> killfile
> > > anyone who consistantly made these kinds of comments. (Oh, wait! I
> > already
> > > did!)
> > >
> > > >
> > > > We have a bunch of cynical responses to posts that seem to be a
> > legitimate
> > > > help questions. (Very productive, NOT.)
> > >
> > > Unfortunately this is not new. We have lost (to some extent) some
very
> > > worthwile posters due to this crap. Personally, I'd be inclined to
> > killfile
> > > anyone who consistantly made these kinds of comments. (Oh, wait! I
> > already
> > > did!)
> > >
> > > >
> > > > We have people giving people ---- about not using their "real" email
> > > address
> > > > when they post here. (And so what? I don't either. I never will. If
> > anyone
> > > > ever wants my email, all they have to do is ask.)
> > >
> > > This is each poster's personal choice. Feel free to use your personal
> > email
> > > address if you like SPAM (see above remarks). Most of us either
doctor
> > our
> > > email address or get a yahoo, hotmail, or other free email account for
> > > newsgroup postings. There is no reason to belittle someone for not
> using
> > > their personal email here. Personally, I'd be inclined to killfile
> anyone
> > > who consistantly made these kinds of comments. (Oh, wait! I already
> > did!)
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I really don't think that true jeepers would treat fellow jeepers
and
> > off
> > > > roaders this way, would they? I have received much help and advice
> from
> > > the
> > > > people here, as well as given advice when I could, but lately there
> > hasn't
> > > > been much in the way of productive posts. What I mostly see is a
bunch
> > of
> > > > adults not acting like adults. Sorry to see this NG go to the
crapper,
> > > > although it seems to be a cyclic thing. C'mon guys and gals, lets
> knock
> > > off
> > > > all the bashing and get this NG back to the way it should be.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > >
> > > I still lurk here and post occasionally when I feel I may have
something
> > to
> > > contribute, I spend a lot more time elsewhere, mainly because of the
> > points
> > > you have pointed out above. Unfortunately, you can't killfile
> *everyone*
> > > who pulls this childish crap. Partly because some of these people
> > > contribute genuinely useful posts most of the time. Partly because it
> > would
> > > be awfully quiet here.
> > > It's been very disappointing lately, though.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > > --
> > > 98 TJ SE
> > > 90 SJ GW
> > > http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> > > "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
> > > enough..."
> > > "4x4" in caps is "$X$"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
guys... Look around.
n.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:tVDHb.31756$gN.9106@fed1read05...
>
> "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8DDHb.9096$lo3.7674@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> > Ditto 100 percent, Jim & Chris.
> >
> > You can still pick up some good Jeepin info in here sometimes, but it
> seems
> > folks concentrate on the negative BS too damn much anymore. The group
> sure
> > isn't what it used to be 3-4 years ago.
>
> Exactly... and there are always the same two self-righteous names right in
> the middle of all the "negative BS"... which is why I spend about 1% of
the
> time I used to in this formerly fun to belong to group. And while they
> spend their time proclaiming their love of Jeep, they're in spirit the
> biggest Jeep haters I've ever known.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
> >
> > Terry.
> >
> >
> > "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:FIadnUkSYb1uSnOiRVn-sw@comcast.com...
> > > "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
> > > news:0buHb.191833$Eq1.4564@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > What the hell has happened to this newsgroup?
> > >
> > > See my personal comments below:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > We have a zillion responses to one SPAM ad that end up in a bunch of
> > > > immature name calling and other crap.
> > >
> > > This has become a trend lately. We used to simply report the SPAM and
> > post
> > > the report. Now, it seems that everything ends up as a bickering
> contest.
> > > Unfortunate.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > We have people calling another person's jeep a "load of ----". (No
> class
> > > > whatsoever. If someone is happy with their own vehicle, what gives
> > anyone
> > > > the right to call it a POS?)
> > >
> > > I totally agree. It's childish. I don't call anyone else's ride a
POS,
> > and
> > > I don't feel that anyone else has the right, either. If you don't
like
> > it,
> > > keep your opinions to your self. Personally, I'd be inclined to
> killfile
> > > anyone who consistantly made these kinds of comments. (Oh, wait! I
> > already
> > > did!)
> > >
> > > >
> > > > We have a bunch of cynical responses to posts that seem to be a
> > legitimate
> > > > help questions. (Very productive, NOT.)
> > >
> > > Unfortunately this is not new. We have lost (to some extent) some
very
> > > worthwile posters due to this crap. Personally, I'd be inclined to
> > killfile
> > > anyone who consistantly made these kinds of comments. (Oh, wait! I
> > already
> > > did!)
> > >
> > > >
> > > > We have people giving people ---- about not using their "real" email
> > > address
> > > > when they post here. (And so what? I don't either. I never will. If
> > anyone
> > > > ever wants my email, all they have to do is ask.)
> > >
> > > This is each poster's personal choice. Feel free to use your personal
> > > address if you like SPAM (see above remarks). Most of us either
doctor
> > our
> > > email address or get a yahoo, hotmail, or other free email account for
> > > newsgroup postings. There is no reason to belittle someone for not
> using
> > > their personal email here. Personally, I'd be inclined to killfile
> anyone
> > > who consistantly made these kinds of comments. (Oh, wait! I already
> > did!)
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I really don't think that true jeepers would treat fellow jeepers
and
> > off
> > > > roaders this way, would they? I have received much help and advice
> from
> > > the
> > > > people here, as well as given advice when I could, but lately there
> > hasn't
> > > > been much in the way of productive posts. What I mostly see is a
bunch
> > of
> > > > adults not acting like adults. Sorry to see this NG go to the
crapper,
> > > > although it seems to be a cyclic thing. C'mon guys and gals, lets
> knock
> > > off
> > > > all the bashing and get this NG back to the way it should be.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > >
> > > I still lurk here and post occasionally when I feel I may have
something
> > to
> > > contribute, I spend a lot more time elsewhere, mainly because of the
> > points
> > > you have pointed out above. Unfortunately, you can't killfile
> *everyone*
> > > who pulls this childish crap. Partly because some of these people
> > > contribute genuinely useful posts most of the time. Partly because it
> > would
> > > be awfully quiet here.
> > > It's been very disappointing lately, though.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > > --
> > > 98 TJ SE
> > > 90 SJ GW
> > > http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> > > "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
> > > enough..."
> > > "4x4" in caps is "$X$"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
12-28-2003, 01:26 PM
#22
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: I have to speak my mind
Amen, J.B.! It's a big internet... There are other places to talk Jeep,
guys... Look around.
n.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:tVDHb.31756$gN.9106@fed1read05...
>
> "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8DDHb.9096$lo3.7674@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> > Ditto 100 percent, Jim & Chris.
> >
> > You can still pick up some good Jeepin info in here sometimes, but it
> seems
> > folks concentrate on the negative BS too damn much anymore. The group
> sure
> > isn't what it used to be 3-4 years ago.
>
> Exactly... and there are always the same two self-righteous names right in
> the middle of all the "negative BS"... which is why I spend about 1% of
the
> time I used to in this formerly fun to belong to group. And while they
> spend their time proclaiming their love of Jeep, they're in spirit the
> biggest Jeep haters I've ever known.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
> >
> > Terry.
> >
> >
> > "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:FIadnUkSYb1uSnOiRVn-sw@comcast.com...
> > > "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
> > > news:0buHb.191833$Eq1.4564@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > What the hell has happened to this newsgroup?
> > >
> > > See my personal comments below:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > We have a zillion responses to one SPAM ad that end up in a bunch of
> > > > immature name calling and other crap.
> > >
> > > This has become a trend lately. We used to simply report the SPAM and
> > post
> > > the report. Now, it seems that everything ends up as a bickering
> contest.
> > > Unfortunate.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > We have people calling another person's jeep a "load of ----". (No
> class
> > > > whatsoever. If someone is happy with their own vehicle, what gives
> > anyone
> > > > the right to call it a POS?)
> > >
> > > I totally agree. It's childish. I don't call anyone else's ride a
POS,
> > and
> > > I don't feel that anyone else has the right, either. If you don't
like
> > it,
> > > keep your opinions to your self. Personally, I'd be inclined to
> killfile
> > > anyone who consistantly made these kinds of comments. (Oh, wait! I
> > already
> > > did!)
> > >
> > > >
> > > > We have a bunch of cynical responses to posts that seem to be a
> > legitimate
> > > > help questions. (Very productive, NOT.)
> > >
> > > Unfortunately this is not new. We have lost (to some extent) some
very
> > > worthwile posters due to this crap. Personally, I'd be inclined to
> > killfile
> > > anyone who consistantly made these kinds of comments. (Oh, wait! I
> > already
> > > did!)
> > >
> > > >
> > > > We have people giving people ---- about not using their "real" email
> > > address
> > > > when they post here. (And so what? I don't either. I never will. If
> > anyone
> > > > ever wants my email, all they have to do is ask.)
> > >
> > > This is each poster's personal choice. Feel free to use your personal
> > email
> > > address if you like SPAM (see above remarks). Most of us either
doctor
> > our
> > > email address or get a yahoo, hotmail, or other free email account for
> > > newsgroup postings. There is no reason to belittle someone for not
> using
> > > their personal email here. Personally, I'd be inclined to killfile
> anyone
> > > who consistantly made these kinds of comments. (Oh, wait! I already
> > did!)
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I really don't think that true jeepers would treat fellow jeepers
and
> > off
> > > > roaders this way, would they? I have received much help and advice
> from
> > > the
> > > > people here, as well as given advice when I could, but lately there
> > hasn't
> > > > been much in the way of productive posts. What I mostly see is a
bunch
> > of
> > > > adults not acting like adults. Sorry to see this NG go to the
crapper,
> > > > although it seems to be a cyclic thing. C'mon guys and gals, lets
> knock
> > > off
> > > > all the bashing and get this NG back to the way it should be.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > >
> > > I still lurk here and post occasionally when I feel I may have
something
> > to
> > > contribute, I spend a lot more time elsewhere, mainly because of the
> > points
> > > you have pointed out above. Unfortunately, you can't killfile
> *everyone*
> > > who pulls this childish crap. Partly because some of these people
> > > contribute genuinely useful posts most of the time. Partly because it
> > would
> > > be awfully quiet here.
> > > It's been very disappointing lately, though.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > > --
> > > 98 TJ SE
> > > 90 SJ GW
> > > http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> > > "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
> > > enough..."
> > > "4x4" in caps is "$X$"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
guys... Look around.
n.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:tVDHb.31756$gN.9106@fed1read05...
>
> "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8DDHb.9096$lo3.7674@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> > Ditto 100 percent, Jim & Chris.
> >
> > You can still pick up some good Jeepin info in here sometimes, but it
> seems
> > folks concentrate on the negative BS too damn much anymore. The group
> sure
> > isn't what it used to be 3-4 years ago.
>
> Exactly... and there are always the same two self-righteous names right in
> the middle of all the "negative BS"... which is why I spend about 1% of
the
> time I used to in this formerly fun to belong to group. And while they
> spend their time proclaiming their love of Jeep, they're in spirit the
> biggest Jeep haters I've ever known.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
> >
> > Terry.
> >
> >
> > "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:FIadnUkSYb1uSnOiRVn-sw@comcast.com...
> > > "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
> > > news:0buHb.191833$Eq1.4564@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > What the hell has happened to this newsgroup?
> > >
> > > See my personal comments below:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > We have a zillion responses to one SPAM ad that end up in a bunch of
> > > > immature name calling and other crap.
> > >
> > > This has become a trend lately. We used to simply report the SPAM and
> > post
> > > the report. Now, it seems that everything ends up as a bickering
> contest.
> > > Unfortunate.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > We have people calling another person's jeep a "load of ----". (No
> class
> > > > whatsoever. If someone is happy with their own vehicle, what gives
> > anyone
> > > > the right to call it a POS?)
> > >
> > > I totally agree. It's childish. I don't call anyone else's ride a
POS,
> > and
> > > I don't feel that anyone else has the right, either. If you don't
like
> > it,
> > > keep your opinions to your self. Personally, I'd be inclined to
> killfile
> > > anyone who consistantly made these kinds of comments. (Oh, wait! I
> > already
> > > did!)
> > >
> > > >
> > > > We have a bunch of cynical responses to posts that seem to be a
> > legitimate
> > > > help questions. (Very productive, NOT.)
> > >
> > > Unfortunately this is not new. We have lost (to some extent) some
very
> > > worthwile posters due to this crap. Personally, I'd be inclined to
> > killfile
> > > anyone who consistantly made these kinds of comments. (Oh, wait! I
> > already
> > > did!)
> > >
> > > >
> > > > We have people giving people ---- about not using their "real" email
> > > address
> > > > when they post here. (And so what? I don't either. I never will. If
> > anyone
> > > > ever wants my email, all they have to do is ask.)
> > >
> > > This is each poster's personal choice. Feel free to use your personal
> > > address if you like SPAM (see above remarks). Most of us either
doctor
> > our
> > > email address or get a yahoo, hotmail, or other free email account for
> > > newsgroup postings. There is no reason to belittle someone for not
> using
> > > their personal email here. Personally, I'd be inclined to killfile
> anyone
> > > who consistantly made these kinds of comments. (Oh, wait! I already
> > did!)
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I really don't think that true jeepers would treat fellow jeepers
and
> > off
> > > > roaders this way, would they? I have received much help and advice
> from
> > > the
> > > > people here, as well as given advice when I could, but lately there
> > hasn't
> > > > been much in the way of productive posts. What I mostly see is a
bunch
> > of
> > > > adults not acting like adults. Sorry to see this NG go to the
crapper,
> > > > although it seems to be a cyclic thing. C'mon guys and gals, lets
> knock
> > > off
> > > > all the bashing and get this NG back to the way it should be.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > >
> > > I still lurk here and post occasionally when I feel I may have
something
> > to
> > > contribute, I spend a lot more time elsewhere, mainly because of the
> > points
> > > you have pointed out above. Unfortunately, you can't killfile
> *everyone*
> > > who pulls this childish crap. Partly because some of these people
> > > contribute genuinely useful posts most of the time. Partly because it
> > would
> > > be awfully quiet here.
> > > It's been very disappointing lately, though.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > > --
> > > 98 TJ SE
> > > 90 SJ GW
> > > http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> > > "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
> > > enough..."
> > > "4x4" in caps is "$X$"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
12-28-2003, 02:14 PM
#26
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: I have to speak my mind
I'm of the opinion that responding to SPAM publicly is just as bad as
being a spammer to begin with. From a technical perspective it is
*exactly* the same. Waste of bandwidth, storage and my time.
Spammers should be treated like Trolls - simply publicly ignored.
- Trevor
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 08:17:36 -0500, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com>
wrote:
>We used to simply report the SPAM and post
>the report. Now, it seems that everything ends up as a bickering contest.
>Unfortunate.
12-28-2003, 02:14 PM
#27
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: I have to speak my mind
I'm of the opinion that responding to SPAM publicly is just as bad as
being a spammer to begin with. From a technical perspective it is
*exactly* the same. Waste of bandwidth, storage and my time.
Spammers should be treated like Trolls - simply publicly ignored.
- Trevor
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 08:17:36 -0500, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com>
wrote:
>We used to simply report the SPAM and post
>the report. Now, it seems that everything ends up as a bickering contest.
>Unfortunate.
12-28-2003, 02:14 PM
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: I have to speak my mind
I'm of the opinion that responding to SPAM publicly is just as bad as
being a spammer to begin with. From a technical perspective it is
*exactly* the same. Waste of bandwidth, storage and my time.
Spammers should be treated like Trolls - simply publicly ignored.
- Trevor
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 08:17:36 -0500, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com>
wrote:
>We used to simply report the SPAM and post
>the report. Now, it seems that everything ends up as a bickering contest.
>Unfortunate.
12-28-2003, 02:45 PM
#29
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: I have to speak my mind
"L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in message
news:hvFHb.685903$Fm2.591656@attbi_s04...
> Roughly 12/27/03 21:50, c's monkeys randomly typed:
>
> [Re: I have to speak my mind]
>
> Oh good, I always loved short subjects.
>
He speaks and confirms the very thing I refer to.
Chris
12-28-2003, 02:45 PM
#30
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: I have to speak my mind
"L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in message
news:hvFHb.685903$Fm2.591656@attbi_s04...
> Roughly 12/27/03 21:50, c's monkeys randomly typed:
>
> [Re: I have to speak my mind]
>
> Oh good, I always loved short subjects.
>
He speaks and confirms the very thing I refer to.
Chris