I have to speak my mind
 

What the hell has happened to this newsgroup?

We have a zillion responses to one SPAM ad that end up in a bunch of
immature name calling and other crap.

We have people calling another person's jeep a "load of ----". (No class
whatsoever. If someone is happy with their own vehicle, what gives anyone
the right to call it a POS?)

We have a bunch of cynical responses to posts that seem to be a legitimate
help questions. (Very productive, NOT.)

We have people giving people ---- about not using their "real" email address
when they post here. (And so what? I don't either. I never will. If anyone
ever wants my email, all they have to do is ask.)


I really don't think that true jeepers would treat fellow jeepers and off
roaders this way, would they? I have received much help and advice from the
people here, as well as given advice when I could, but lately there hasn't
been much in the way of productive posts. What I mostly see is a bunch of
adults not acting like adults. Sorry to see this NG go to the crapper,
although it seems to be a cyclic thing. C'mon guys and gals, lets knock off
all the bashing and get this NG back to the way it should be.

Chris

Re: I have to speak my mind
 

Chris, maybe if you would have taken the time to look:
http://www.----------.com/loadofShit.jpg You would have noticed the POS
was the spam top as folded on travis' CJ. And it does look like a POS
top in my opinion! And it was the second flagrant violation of our
charter, by Allen. Maybe Chris, you would do well to read it:
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+willys
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

c wrote:
>
> What the hell has happened to this newsgroup?
>
> We have a zillion responses to one SPAM ad that end up in a bunch of
> immature name calling and other crap.
>
> We have people calling another person's jeep a "load of ----". (No class
> whatsoever. If someone is happy with their own vehicle, what gives anyone
> the right to call it a POS?)
>
> We have a bunch of cynical responses to posts that seem to be a legitimate
> help questions. (Very productive, NOT.)
>
> We have people giving people ---- about not using their "real" email address
> when they post here. (And so what? I don't either. I never will. If anyone
> ever wants my email, all they have to do is ask.)
>
> I really don't think that true jeepers would treat fellow jeepers and off
> roaders this way, would they? I have received much help and advice from the
> people here, as well as given advice when I could, but lately there hasn't
> been much in the way of productive posts. What I mostly see is a bunch of
> adults not acting like adults. Sorry to see this NG go to the crapper,
> although it seems to be a cyclic thing. C'mon guys and gals, lets knock off
> all the bashing and get this NG back to the way it should be.
>
> Chris

Re: I have to speak my mind
 

Chris, maybe if you would have taken the time to look:
http://www.----------.com/loadofShit.jpg You would have noticed the POS
was the spam top as folded on travis' CJ. And it does look like a POS
top in my opinion! And it was the second flagrant violation of our
charter, by Allen. Maybe Chris, you would do well to read it:
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+willys
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

c wrote:
>
> What the hell has happened to this newsgroup?
>
> We have a zillion responses to one SPAM ad that end up in a bunch of
> immature name calling and other crap.
>
> We have people calling another person's jeep a "load of ----". (No class
> whatsoever. If someone is happy with their own vehicle, what gives anyone
> the right to call it a POS?)
>
> We have a bunch of cynical responses to posts that seem to be a legitimate
> help questions. (Very productive, NOT.)
>
> We have people giving people ---- about not using their "real" email address
> when they post here. (And so what? I don't either. I never will. If anyone
> ever wants my email, all they have to do is ask.)
>
> I really don't think that true jeepers would treat fellow jeepers and off
> roaders this way, would they? I have received much help and advice from the
> people here, as well as given advice when I could, but lately there hasn't
> been much in the way of productive posts. What I mostly see is a bunch of
> adults not acting like adults. Sorry to see this NG go to the crapper,
> although it seems to be a cyclic thing. C'mon guys and gals, lets knock off
> all the bashing and get this NG back to the way it should be.
>
> Chris

Re: I have to speak my mind
 

Chris, maybe if you would have taken the time to look:
http://www.----------.com/loadofShit.jpg You would have noticed the POS
was the spam top as folded on travis' CJ. And it does look like a POS
top in my opinion! And it was the second flagrant violation of our
charter, by Allen. Maybe Chris, you would do well to read it:
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+willys
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

c wrote:
>
> What the hell has happened to this newsgroup?
>
> We have a zillion responses to one SPAM ad that end up in a bunch of
> immature name calling and other crap.
>
> We have people calling another person's jeep a "load of ----". (No class
> whatsoever. If someone is happy with their own vehicle, what gives anyone
> the right to call it a POS?)
>
> We have a bunch of cynical responses to posts that seem to be a legitimate
> help questions. (Very productive, NOT.)
>
> We have people giving people ---- about not using their "real" email address
> when they post here. (And so what? I don't either. I never will. If anyone
> ever wants my email, all they have to do is ask.)
>
> I really don't think that true jeepers would treat fellow jeepers and off
> roaders this way, would they? I have received much help and advice from the
> people here, as well as given advice when I could, but lately there hasn't
> been much in the way of productive posts. What I mostly see is a bunch of
> adults not acting like adults. Sorry to see this NG go to the crapper,
> although it seems to be a cyclic thing. C'mon guys and gals, lets knock off
> all the bashing and get this NG back to the way it should be.
>
> Chris

Re: I have to speak my mind
 

Bill, you missed the point. Nowhere did I say that spamming the newsgroup
was ok, and yes I have read the charter for this NG several times. What
bothers me is that one single spammer posting here erupted into people
jumping all over each other. Wouldn't it be much simpler to have the people
that read this NG just forward the spam to the offender's ISP and leave it
at that? No one really even needs to post here that they forwarded it, just
do it. This would avoid the name calling and other crap, as well as get the
spammer's account suspended. This way the problem is solved with regard to
the spammer and there isn't all the excess -------- name calling and such.
With regards to the top, I really don't like it either, but that really
isn't the point here. My point is, most of the people here are very helpful
and enjoyable to read. Why don't we keep it that way rather than piss
everyone off to the point of ruining the newsgroup? Some of you guys that
post here have extensive knowledge of Jeeps, and it is very beneficial to
those of us who don't. I consider myself to have above average mechanical
skills, and I still get some great advice here with regards to Jeeps. Let's
please make an effort to keep it that way rather than resort to the negative
posts that we have seen so much of recently.

<forrest gump>
And that's all I have to say about that.
</forrest gump>

Chris

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3FEE8139.C5075F32@cox.net...
> Chris, maybe if you would have taken the time to look:
> http://www.----------.com/loadofShit.jpg You would have noticed the POS
> was the spam top as folded on travis' CJ. And it does look like a POS
> top in my opinion! And it was the second flagrant violation of our
> charter, by Allen. Maybe Chris, you would do well to read it:
>
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+willys
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> c wrote:
> >
> > What the hell has happened to this newsgroup?
> >
> > We have a zillion responses to one SPAM ad that end up in a bunch of
> > immature name calling and other crap.
> >
> > We have people calling another person's jeep a "load of ----". (No class
> > whatsoever. If someone is happy with their own vehicle, what gives
anyone
> > the right to call it a POS?)
> >
> > We have a bunch of cynical responses to posts that seem to be a
legitimate
> > help questions. (Very productive, NOT.)
> >
> > We have people giving people ---- about not using their "real" email
address
> > when they post here. (And so what? I don't either. I never will. If
anyone
> > ever wants my email, all they have to do is ask.)
> >
> > I really don't think that true jeepers would treat fellow jeepers and
off
> > roaders this way, would they? I have received much help and advice from
the
> > people here, as well as given advice when I could, but lately there
hasn't
> > been much in the way of productive posts. What I mostly see is a bunch
of
> > adults not acting like adults. Sorry to see this NG go to the crapper,
> > although it seems to be a cyclic thing. C'mon guys and gals, lets knock
off
> > all the bashing and get this NG back to the way it should be.
> >
> > Chris

Re: I have to speak my mind
 

Bill, you missed the point. Nowhere did I say that spamming the newsgroup
was ok, and yes I have read the charter for this NG several times. What
bothers me is that one single spammer posting here erupted into people
jumping all over each other. Wouldn't it be much simpler to have the people
that read this NG just forward the spam to the offender's ISP and leave it
at that? No one really even needs to post here that they forwarded it, just
do it. This would avoid the name calling and other crap, as well as get the
spammer's account suspended. This way the problem is solved with regard to
the spammer and there isn't all the excess -------- name calling and such.
With regards to the top, I really don't like it either, but that really
isn't the point here. My point is, most of the people here are very helpful
and enjoyable to read. Why don't we keep it that way rather than piss
everyone off to the point of ruining the newsgroup? Some of you guys that
post here have extensive knowledge of Jeeps, and it is very beneficial to
those of us who don't. I consider myself to have above average mechanical
skills, and I still get some great advice here with regards to Jeeps. Let's
please make an effort to keep it that way rather than resort to the negative
posts that we have seen so much of recently.

<forrest gump>
And that's all I have to say about that.
</forrest gump>

Chris

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3FEE8139.C5075F32@cox.net...
> Chris, maybe if you would have taken the time to look:
> http://www.----------.com/loadofShit.jpg You would have noticed the POS
> was the spam top as folded on travis' CJ. And it does look like a POS
> top in my opinion! And it was the second flagrant violation of our
> charter, by Allen. Maybe Chris, you would do well to read it:
>
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+willys
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> c wrote:
> >
> > What the hell has happened to this newsgroup?
> >
> > We have a zillion responses to one SPAM ad that end up in a bunch of
> > immature name calling and other crap.
> >
> > We have people calling another person's jeep a "load of ----". (No class
> > whatsoever. If someone is happy with their own vehicle, what gives
anyone
> > the right to call it a POS?)
> >
> > We have a bunch of cynical responses to posts that seem to be a
legitimate
> > help questions. (Very productive, NOT.)
> >
> > We have people giving people ---- about not using their "real" email
address
> > when they post here. (And so what? I don't either. I never will. If
anyone
> > ever wants my email, all they have to do is ask.)
> >
> > I really don't think that true jeepers would treat fellow jeepers and
off
> > roaders this way, would they? I have received much help and advice from
the
> > people here, as well as given advice when I could, but lately there
hasn't
> > been much in the way of productive posts. What I mostly see is a bunch
of
> > adults not acting like adults. Sorry to see this NG go to the crapper,
> > although it seems to be a cyclic thing. C'mon guys and gals, lets knock
off
> > all the bashing and get this NG back to the way it should be.
> >
> > Chris

Re: I have to speak my mind
 

Bill, you missed the point. Nowhere did I say that spamming the newsgroup
was ok, and yes I have read the charter for this NG several times. What
bothers me is that one single spammer posting here erupted into people
jumping all over each other. Wouldn't it be much simpler to have the people
that read this NG just forward the spam to the offender's ISP and leave it
at that? No one really even needs to post here that they forwarded it, just
do it. This would avoid the name calling and other crap, as well as get the
spammer's account suspended. This way the problem is solved with regard to
the spammer and there isn't all the excess -------- name calling and such.
With regards to the top, I really don't like it either, but that really
isn't the point here. My point is, most of the people here are very helpful
and enjoyable to read. Why don't we keep it that way rather than piss
everyone off to the point of ruining the newsgroup? Some of you guys that
post here have extensive knowledge of Jeeps, and it is very beneficial to
those of us who don't. I consider myself to have above average mechanical
skills, and I still get some great advice here with regards to Jeeps. Let's
please make an effort to keep it that way rather than resort to the negative
posts that we have seen so much of recently.

<forrest gump>
And that's all I have to say about that.
</forrest gump>

Chris

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3FEE8139.C5075F32@cox.net...
> Chris, maybe if you would have taken the time to look:
> http://www.----------.com/loadofShit.jpg You would have noticed the POS
> was the spam top as folded on travis' CJ. And it does look like a POS
> top in my opinion! And it was the second flagrant violation of our
> charter, by Allen. Maybe Chris, you would do well to read it:
>
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+willys
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> c wrote:
> >
> > What the hell has happened to this newsgroup?
> >
> > We have a zillion responses to one SPAM ad that end up in a bunch of
> > immature name calling and other crap.
> >
> > We have people calling another person's jeep a "load of ----". (No class
> > whatsoever. If someone is happy with their own vehicle, what gives
anyone
> > the right to call it a POS?)
> >
> > We have a bunch of cynical responses to posts that seem to be a
legitimate
> > help questions. (Very productive, NOT.)
> >
> > We have people giving people ---- about not using their "real" email
address
> > when they post here. (And so what? I don't either. I never will. If
anyone
> > ever wants my email, all they have to do is ask.)
> >
> > I really don't think that true jeepers would treat fellow jeepers and
off
> > roaders this way, would they? I have received much help and advice from
the
> > people here, as well as given advice when I could, but lately there
hasn't
> > been much in the way of productive posts. What I mostly see is a bunch
of
> > adults not acting like adults. Sorry to see this NG go to the crapper,
> > although it seems to be a cyclic thing. C'mon guys and gals, lets knock
off
> > all the bashing and get this NG back to the way it should be.
> >
> > Chris

Re: I have to speak my mind
 

"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:0buHb.191833$Eq1.4564@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> What the hell has happened to this newsgroup?

See my personal comments below:

>
> We have a zillion responses to one SPAM ad that end up in a bunch of
> immature name calling and other crap.

This has become a trend lately. We used to simply report the SPAM and post
the report. Now, it seems that everything ends up as a bickering contest.
Unfortunate.

>
> We have people calling another person's jeep a "load of ----". (No class
> whatsoever. If someone is happy with their own vehicle, what gives anyone
> the right to call it a POS?)

I totally agree. It's childish. I don't call anyone else's ride a POS, and
I don't feel that anyone else has the right, either. If you don't like it,
keep your opinions to your self. Personally, I'd be inclined to killfile
anyone who consistantly made these kinds of comments. (Oh, wait! I already
did!)

>
> We have a bunch of cynical responses to posts that seem to be a legitimate
> help questions. (Very productive, NOT.)

Unfortunately this is not new. We have lost (to some extent) some very
worthwile posters due to this crap. Personally, I'd be inclined to killfile
anyone who consistantly made these kinds of comments. (Oh, wait! I already
did!)

>
> We have people giving people ---- about not using their "real" email
address
> when they post here. (And so what? I don't either. I never will. If anyone
> ever wants my email, all they have to do is ask.)

This is each poster's personal choice. Feel free to use your personal email
address if you like SPAM (see above remarks). Most of us either doctor our
email address or get a yahoo, hotmail, or other free email account for
newsgroup postings. There is no reason to belittle someone for not using
their personal email here. Personally, I'd be inclined to killfile anyone
who consistantly made these kinds of comments. (Oh, wait! I already did!)

>
> I really don't think that true jeepers would treat fellow jeepers and off
> roaders this way, would they? I have received much help and advice from
the
> people here, as well as given advice when I could, but lately there hasn't
> been much in the way of productive posts. What I mostly see is a bunch of
> adults not acting like adults. Sorry to see this NG go to the crapper,
> although it seems to be a cyclic thing. C'mon guys and gals, lets knock
off
> all the bashing and get this NG back to the way it should be.
>
> Chris
>

I still lurk here and post occasionally when I feel I may have something to
contribute, I spend a lot more time elsewhere, mainly because of the points
you have pointed out above. Unfortunately, you can't killfile *everyone*
who pulls this childish crap. Partly because some of these people
contribute genuinely useful posts most of the time. Partly because it would
be awfully quiet here.
It's been very disappointing lately, though.

Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
"You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
enough..."
"4x4" in caps is "$X$"

Re: I have to speak my mind
 

"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:0buHb.191833$Eq1.4564@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> What the hell has happened to this newsgroup?

See my personal comments below:

>
> We have a zillion responses to one SPAM ad that end up in a bunch of
> immature name calling and other crap.

This has become a trend lately. We used to simply report the SPAM and post
the report. Now, it seems that everything ends up as a bickering contest.
Unfortunate.

>
> We have people calling another person's jeep a "load of ----". (No class
> whatsoever. If someone is happy with their own vehicle, what gives anyone
> the right to call it a POS?)

I totally agree. It's childish. I don't call anyone else's ride a POS, and
I don't feel that anyone else has the right, either. If you don't like it,
keep your opinions to your self. Personally, I'd be inclined to killfile
anyone who consistantly made these kinds of comments. (Oh, wait! I already
did!)

>
> We have a bunch of cynical responses to posts that seem to be a legitimate
> help questions. (Very productive, NOT.)

Unfortunately this is not new. We have lost (to some extent) some very
worthwile posters due to this crap. Personally, I'd be inclined to killfile
anyone who consistantly made these kinds of comments. (Oh, wait! I already
did!)

>
> We have people giving people ---- about not using their "real" email
address
> when they post here. (And so what? I don't either. I never will. If anyone
> ever wants my email, all they have to do is ask.)

This is each poster's personal choice. Feel free to use your personal email
address if you like SPAM (see above remarks). Most of us either doctor our
email address or get a yahoo, hotmail, or other free email account for
newsgroup postings. There is no reason to belittle someone for not using
their personal email here. Personally, I'd be inclined to killfile anyone
who consistantly made these kinds of comments. (Oh, wait! I already did!)

>
> I really don't think that true jeepers would treat fellow jeepers and off
> roaders this way, would they? I have received much help and advice from
the
> people here, as well as given advice when I could, but lately there hasn't
> been much in the way of productive posts. What I mostly see is a bunch of
> adults not acting like adults. Sorry to see this NG go to the crapper,
> although it seems to be a cyclic thing. C'mon guys and gals, lets knock
off
> all the bashing and get this NG back to the way it should be.
>
> Chris
>

I still lurk here and post occasionally when I feel I may have something to
contribute, I spend a lot more time elsewhere, mainly because of the points
you have pointed out above. Unfortunately, you can't killfile *everyone*
who pulls this childish crap. Partly because some of these people
contribute genuinely useful posts most of the time. Partly because it would
be awfully quiet here.
It's been very disappointing lately, though.

Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
"You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
enough..."
"4x4" in caps is "$X$"

Re: I have to speak my mind
 

"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:0buHb.191833$Eq1.4564@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> What the hell has happened to this newsgroup?

See my personal comments below:

>
> We have a zillion responses to one SPAM ad that end up in a bunch of
> immature name calling and other crap.

This has become a trend lately. We used to simply report the SPAM and post
the report. Now, it seems that everything ends up as a bickering contest.
Unfortunate.

>
> We have people calling another person's jeep a "load of ----". (No class
> whatsoever. If someone is happy with their own vehicle, what gives anyone
> the right to call it a POS?)

I totally agree. It's childish. I don't call anyone else's ride a POS, and
I don't feel that anyone else has the right, either. If you don't like it,
keep your opinions to your self. Personally, I'd be inclined to killfile
anyone who consistantly made these kinds of comments. (Oh, wait! I already
did!)

>
> We have a bunch of cynical responses to posts that seem to be a legitimate
> help questions. (Very productive, NOT.)

Unfortunately this is not new. We have lost (to some extent) some very
worthwile posters due to this crap. Personally, I'd be inclined to killfile
anyone who consistantly made these kinds of comments. (Oh, wait! I already
did!)

>
> We have people giving people ---- about not using their "real" email
address
> when they post here. (And so what? I don't either. I never will. If anyone
> ever wants my email, all they have to do is ask.)

This is each poster's personal choice. Feel free to use your personal email
address if you like SPAM (see above remarks). Most of us either doctor our
email address or get a yahoo, hotmail, or other free email account for
newsgroup postings. There is no reason to belittle someone for not using
their personal email here. Personally, I'd be inclined to killfile anyone
who consistantly made these kinds of comments. (Oh, wait! I already did!)

>
> I really don't think that true jeepers would treat fellow jeepers and off
> roaders this way, would they? I have received much help and advice from
the
> people here, as well as given advice when I could, but lately there hasn't
> been much in the way of productive posts. What I mostly see is a bunch of
> adults not acting like adults. Sorry to see this NG go to the crapper,
> although it seems to be a cyclic thing. C'mon guys and gals, lets knock
off
> all the bashing and get this NG back to the way it should be.
>
> Chris
>

I still lurk here and post occasionally when I feel I may have something to
contribute, I spend a lot more time elsewhere, mainly because of the points
you have pointed out above. Unfortunately, you can't killfile *everyone*
who pulls this childish crap. Partly because some of these people
contribute genuinely useful posts most of the time. Partly because it would
be awfully quiet here.
It's been very disappointing lately, though.

Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
"You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
enough..."
"4x4" in caps is "$X$"