Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
#741
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
There has to be a balance in all this. You can micromanage all costs so
that no-one has one penny advantage over anyone else, but eventually,
and very quickly, you reach the point of diminishing returns.
By that I mean that the mechanisms and government beaurocracies... uh,
beurocracies... uh bu**sh** that have to be set up to manage and
micromanage everything is a net loss to society, government grows
bigger, and the average citizen becomes resentful of the overhead costs
(taxes) and intrusive visibilty by those administering all the crap into
their lives (kind of like Europe).
I think we've already surpassed that point in many areas (and it's only
going to get worse). There's something to be said for letting the costs
inherent in any given decision or path take care of themselves. Yeah -
maybe it's not 100% fair, but is it fair to drag the whole of society
down with all the costs and intrusion (i.e., fair to the point of
bringing everyone down to the same level of intense misery)?
Bill Putney
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#742
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
There has to be a balance in all this. You can micromanage all costs so
that no-one has one penny advantage over anyone else, but eventually,
and very quickly, you reach the point of diminishing returns.
By that I mean that the mechanisms and government beaurocracies... uh,
beurocracies... uh bu**sh** that have to be set up to manage and
micromanage everything is a net loss to society, government grows
bigger, and the average citizen becomes resentful of the overhead costs
(taxes) and intrusive visibilty by those administering all the crap into
their lives (kind of like Europe).
I think we've already surpassed that point in many areas (and it's only
going to get worse). There's something to be said for letting the costs
inherent in any given decision or path take care of themselves. Yeah -
maybe it's not 100% fair, but is it fair to drag the whole of society
down with all the costs and intrusion (i.e., fair to the point of
bringing everyone down to the same level of intense misery)?
Bill Putney
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <%7ykb.2560$df.21706856@news-text.cableinet.net>, Dave Milne wrote:
> Let's tax fat people because they consume too much food which is delivered
> in large trucks which drive up pollution ... Had it occured to you that
> Billy Bob needs that truck to supply a service to you ?
Food is taxed in some states.
> Let's tax fat people because they consume too much food which is delivered
> in large trucks which drive up pollution ... Had it occured to you that
> Billy Bob needs that truck to supply a service to you ?
Food is taxed in some states.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <%7ykb.2560$df.21706856@news-text.cableinet.net>, Dave Milne wrote:
> Let's tax fat people because they consume too much food which is delivered
> in large trucks which drive up pollution ... Had it occured to you that
> Billy Bob needs that truck to supply a service to you ?
Food is taxed in some states.
> Let's tax fat people because they consume too much food which is delivered
> in large trucks which drive up pollution ... Had it occured to you that
> Billy Bob needs that truck to supply a service to you ?
Food is taxed in some states.
#745
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <%7ykb.2560$df.21706856@news-text.cableinet.net>, Dave Milne wrote:
> Let's tax fat people because they consume too much food which is delivered
> in large trucks which drive up pollution ... Had it occured to you that
> Billy Bob needs that truck to supply a service to you ?
Food is taxed in some states.
> Let's tax fat people because they consume too much food which is delivered
> in large trucks which drive up pollution ... Had it occured to you that
> Billy Bob needs that truck to supply a service to you ?
Food is taxed in some states.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <v335pv8rfeauuoocq9iikfuj9ps4r6t4ln@4ax.com>, Bill Funk wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:21:59 GMT, tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P)
> wrote:
>
>>In article <sao1pvs52cf1ao6d810d1kudlp0fbmh02o@4ax.com>, Bill Funk wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:01:44 GMT, tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <VQYjb.489624$2x.202488@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net> , Kevin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Heaver is better. Take a large SUV, spend a few bucks and put in a roll
>>>>> cage, fire bottle system, and 5 point belts and you will be as close to
>>>>> bullet proof as you can get.
>>>>
>>>>The same could be said of practically any motor vehicle, even a geo
>>>>metro.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I don't think so.
>>> When that Geo crumples, what does the roll cage connect to?
>>>
>>
>>A good roll cage doesn't need the vehicle's structure.
>>
> The seat is connected to the vehicle's structure.
> When the seat moves in relation to the cage, the cage is just
> something else to hit.
A good roll cage will run along the floor as well as up and over
the driver. I don't think it's uncommon to also bolt the seat
to the roll cage, but I may be mistaken. In any case, the cage puts
a structure of tublar steel around the driver that is stronger than
anything one would find in any mass-produced production vehicle.
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:21:59 GMT, tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P)
> wrote:
>
>>In article <sao1pvs52cf1ao6d810d1kudlp0fbmh02o@4ax.com>, Bill Funk wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:01:44 GMT, tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <VQYjb.489624$2x.202488@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net> , Kevin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Heaver is better. Take a large SUV, spend a few bucks and put in a roll
>>>>> cage, fire bottle system, and 5 point belts and you will be as close to
>>>>> bullet proof as you can get.
>>>>
>>>>The same could be said of practically any motor vehicle, even a geo
>>>>metro.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I don't think so.
>>> When that Geo crumples, what does the roll cage connect to?
>>>
>>
>>A good roll cage doesn't need the vehicle's structure.
>>
> The seat is connected to the vehicle's structure.
> When the seat moves in relation to the cage, the cage is just
> something else to hit.
A good roll cage will run along the floor as well as up and over
the driver. I don't think it's uncommon to also bolt the seat
to the roll cage, but I may be mistaken. In any case, the cage puts
a structure of tublar steel around the driver that is stronger than
anything one would find in any mass-produced production vehicle.
#747
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <v335pv8rfeauuoocq9iikfuj9ps4r6t4ln@4ax.com>, Bill Funk wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:21:59 GMT, tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P)
> wrote:
>
>>In article <sao1pvs52cf1ao6d810d1kudlp0fbmh02o@4ax.com>, Bill Funk wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:01:44 GMT, tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <VQYjb.489624$2x.202488@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net> , Kevin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Heaver is better. Take a large SUV, spend a few bucks and put in a roll
>>>>> cage, fire bottle system, and 5 point belts and you will be as close to
>>>>> bullet proof as you can get.
>>>>
>>>>The same could be said of practically any motor vehicle, even a geo
>>>>metro.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I don't think so.
>>> When that Geo crumples, what does the roll cage connect to?
>>>
>>
>>A good roll cage doesn't need the vehicle's structure.
>>
> The seat is connected to the vehicle's structure.
> When the seat moves in relation to the cage, the cage is just
> something else to hit.
A good roll cage will run along the floor as well as up and over
the driver. I don't think it's uncommon to also bolt the seat
to the roll cage, but I may be mistaken. In any case, the cage puts
a structure of tublar steel around the driver that is stronger than
anything one would find in any mass-produced production vehicle.
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:21:59 GMT, tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P)
> wrote:
>
>>In article <sao1pvs52cf1ao6d810d1kudlp0fbmh02o@4ax.com>, Bill Funk wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:01:44 GMT, tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <VQYjb.489624$2x.202488@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net> , Kevin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Heaver is better. Take a large SUV, spend a few bucks and put in a roll
>>>>> cage, fire bottle system, and 5 point belts and you will be as close to
>>>>> bullet proof as you can get.
>>>>
>>>>The same could be said of practically any motor vehicle, even a geo
>>>>metro.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I don't think so.
>>> When that Geo crumples, what does the roll cage connect to?
>>>
>>
>>A good roll cage doesn't need the vehicle's structure.
>>
> The seat is connected to the vehicle's structure.
> When the seat moves in relation to the cage, the cage is just
> something else to hit.
A good roll cage will run along the floor as well as up and over
the driver. I don't think it's uncommon to also bolt the seat
to the roll cage, but I may be mistaken. In any case, the cage puts
a structure of tublar steel around the driver that is stronger than
anything one would find in any mass-produced production vehicle.
#748
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <v335pv8rfeauuoocq9iikfuj9ps4r6t4ln@4ax.com>, Bill Funk wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:21:59 GMT, tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P)
> wrote:
>
>>In article <sao1pvs52cf1ao6d810d1kudlp0fbmh02o@4ax.com>, Bill Funk wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:01:44 GMT, tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <VQYjb.489624$2x.202488@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net> , Kevin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Heaver is better. Take a large SUV, spend a few bucks and put in a roll
>>>>> cage, fire bottle system, and 5 point belts and you will be as close to
>>>>> bullet proof as you can get.
>>>>
>>>>The same could be said of practically any motor vehicle, even a geo
>>>>metro.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I don't think so.
>>> When that Geo crumples, what does the roll cage connect to?
>>>
>>
>>A good roll cage doesn't need the vehicle's structure.
>>
> The seat is connected to the vehicle's structure.
> When the seat moves in relation to the cage, the cage is just
> something else to hit.
A good roll cage will run along the floor as well as up and over
the driver. I don't think it's uncommon to also bolt the seat
to the roll cage, but I may be mistaken. In any case, the cage puts
a structure of tublar steel around the driver that is stronger than
anything one would find in any mass-produced production vehicle.
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:21:59 GMT, tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P)
> wrote:
>
>>In article <sao1pvs52cf1ao6d810d1kudlp0fbmh02o@4ax.com>, Bill Funk wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:01:44 GMT, tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <VQYjb.489624$2x.202488@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net> , Kevin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Heaver is better. Take a large SUV, spend a few bucks and put in a roll
>>>>> cage, fire bottle system, and 5 point belts and you will be as close to
>>>>> bullet proof as you can get.
>>>>
>>>>The same could be said of practically any motor vehicle, even a geo
>>>>metro.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I don't think so.
>>> When that Geo crumples, what does the roll cage connect to?
>>>
>>
>>A good roll cage doesn't need the vehicle's structure.
>>
> The seat is connected to the vehicle's structure.
> When the seat moves in relation to the cage, the cage is just
> something else to hit.
A good roll cage will run along the floor as well as up and over
the driver. I don't think it's uncommon to also bolt the seat
to the roll cage, but I may be mistaken. In any case, the cage puts
a structure of tublar steel around the driver that is stronger than
anything one would find in any mass-produced production vehicle.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Bill Funk wrote:
>
> Given my druthers, I'd like to see a system of licensing that actually
> keeps incompetent drivers off the roads.
Nah - the liberals would *never* allow that. Can't you hear their
reasoning now: "By keeping an incompetent driver off the road, you would
in effect be punishing his/her innocent children. Therefore it would be
better to let the incompetent parents continue to drive without
restriction. A few more people might be killed as a result, but at
least the innocent children would not be punished."
Bill Putney
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Bill Funk wrote:
>
> Given my druthers, I'd like to see a system of licensing that actually
> keeps incompetent drivers off the roads.
Nah - the liberals would *never* allow that. Can't you hear their
reasoning now: "By keeping an incompetent driver off the road, you would
in effect be punishing his/her innocent children. Therefore it would be
better to let the incompetent parents continue to drive without
restriction. A few more people might be killed as a result, but at
least the innocent children would not be punished."
Bill Putney
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