In article <3FCBD92E.AA0EBC33@kinez.net>, Bill Putney wrote:

> I think z would go for the California model for "conservation" wherein
> you legally ban the building of power generation facilities, then, when
> the demand far outstrips the supply capacity, the price for energy goes
> up so high that everyone turns their a.c. off because they can't afford
> to run them - everybody wins because, once again, everyone is forced
> down to the same level of misery - equality achieved at last. Oh one
> catch - the people responsible aren't even allowed to finish out their
> term due to the anger of the recipients of the benevolence of the
> government.

You forgot the best aspect. The rich elites can still afford the
higher rates and can keep their AC on without any supply problems.

 

In article <3FCBD92E.AA0EBC33@kinez.net>, Bill Putney wrote:

> I think z would go for the California model for "conservation" wherein
> you legally ban the building of power generation facilities, then, when
> the demand far outstrips the supply capacity, the price for energy goes
> up so high that everyone turns their a.c. off because they can't afford
> to run them - everybody wins because, once again, everyone is forced
> down to the same level of misery - equality achieved at last. Oh one
> catch - the people responsible aren't even allowed to finish out their
> term due to the anger of the recipients of the benevolence of the
> government.

You forgot the best aspect. The rich elites can still afford the
higher rates and can keep their AC on without any supply problems.

 

On 01 Dec 2003 05:41 PM, David J. Allen posted the following:

> Right on. China's communist government is smarter than the Soviets,
> but still, much of what they're doing is hiring out their population
> to foreign companies who find it cheaper to outsource work to Chinese
> "companies" (government owned). I doubt there's much real wealth
> being created in China. It's a hard currency project so the
> government can modernize.... mostly their military.

We're going to pay for that eventually, and that is the main reason why
I try to avoid goods made in red China as much as possible. Since I am
a tool addict, this gets expensive. I will buy Taiwanese tools if I
just can't afford the US made equivalent (my JET drill press is a good
example of this, I couldn't even find a new American made drill press)
on the theory that at least Taiwan is an ally, and the fact that their
continued success can only **** off the communists. The quality tends
to be better than the stuff from the mainland as well.

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On 01 Dec 2003 05:41 PM, David J. Allen posted the following:

> Right on. China's communist government is smarter than the Soviets,
> but still, much of what they're doing is hiring out their population
> to foreign companies who find it cheaper to outsource work to Chinese
> "companies" (government owned). I doubt there's much real wealth
> being created in China. It's a hard currency project so the
> government can modernize.... mostly their military.

We're going to pay for that eventually, and that is the main reason why
I try to avoid goods made in red China as much as possible. Since I am
a tool addict, this gets expensive. I will buy Taiwanese tools if I
just can't afford the US made equivalent (my JET drill press is a good
example of this, I couldn't even find a new American made drill press)
on the theory that at least Taiwan is an ally, and the fact that their
continued success can only **** off the communists. The quality tends
to be better than the stuff from the mainland as well.

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On 01 Dec 2003 05:41 PM, David J. Allen posted the following:

> Right on. China's communist government is smarter than the Soviets,
> but still, much of what they're doing is hiring out their population
> to foreign companies who find it cheaper to outsource work to Chinese
> "companies" (government owned). I doubt there's much real wealth
> being created in China. It's a hard currency project so the
> government can modernize.... mostly their military.

We're going to pay for that eventually, and that is the main reason why
I try to avoid goods made in red China as much as possible. Since I am
a tool addict, this gets expensive. I will buy Taiwanese tools if I
just can't afford the US made equivalent (my JET drill press is a good
example of this, I couldn't even find a new American made drill press)
on the theory that at least Taiwan is an ally, and the fact that their
continued success can only **** off the communists. The quality tends
to be better than the stuff from the mainland as well.

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In article <20031201190834633-0900@news.newsguy.com>, Del Rawlins wrote:

> We're going to pay for that eventually, and that is the main reason why
> I try to avoid goods made in red China as much as possible. Since I am
> a tool addict, this gets expensive. I will buy Taiwanese tools if I
> just can't afford the US made equivalent (my JET drill press is a good
> example of this, I couldn't even find a new American made drill press)
> on the theory that at least Taiwan is an ally, and the fact that their
> continued success can only **** off the communists. The quality tends
> to be better than the stuff from the mainland as well.

Taiwan made stuff isn't the greatest generally but better than
mainland china. Hong Kong is about the same as Taiwan.

One common practice is to make the production tolling in taiwan
or Hong Kong and then once there won't be any more tooling changes,
ship the tool to mainland china for production.

 

In article <20031201190834633-0900@news.newsguy.com>, Del Rawlins wrote:

> We're going to pay for that eventually, and that is the main reason why
> I try to avoid goods made in red China as much as possible. Since I am
> a tool addict, this gets expensive. I will buy Taiwanese tools if I
> just can't afford the US made equivalent (my JET drill press is a good
> example of this, I couldn't even find a new American made drill press)
> on the theory that at least Taiwan is an ally, and the fact that their
> continued success can only **** off the communists. The quality tends
> to be better than the stuff from the mainland as well.

Taiwan made stuff isn't the greatest generally but better than
mainland china. Hong Kong is about the same as Taiwan.

One common practice is to make the production tolling in taiwan
or Hong Kong and then once there won't be any more tooling changes,
ship the tool to mainland china for production.

 

In article <20031201190834633-0900@news.newsguy.com>, Del Rawlins wrote:

> We're going to pay for that eventually, and that is the main reason why
> I try to avoid goods made in red China as much as possible. Since I am
> a tool addict, this gets expensive. I will buy Taiwanese tools if I
> just can't afford the US made equivalent (my JET drill press is a good
> example of this, I couldn't even find a new American made drill press)
> on the theory that at least Taiwan is an ally, and the fact that their
> continued success can only **** off the communists. The quality tends
> to be better than the stuff from the mainland as well.

Taiwan made stuff isn't the greatest generally but better than
mainland china. Hong Kong is about the same as Taiwan.

One common practice is to make the production tolling in taiwan
or Hong Kong and then once there won't be any more tooling changes,
ship the tool to mainland china for production.

 

"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:NHTyb.384552$HS4.3166098@attbi_s01...
> In article <3FCBD92E.AA0EBC33@kinez.net>, Bill Putney wrote:
>
> > I think z would go for the California model for "conservation" wherein
> > you legally ban the building of power generation facilities, then, when
> > the demand far outstrips the supply capacity, the price for energy goes
> > up so high that everyone turns their a.c. off because they can't afford
> > to run them - everybody wins because, once again, everyone is forced
> > down to the same level of misery - equality achieved at last. Oh one
> > catch - the people responsible aren't even allowed to finish out their
> > term due to the anger of the recipients of the benevolence of the
> > government.
>
> You forgot the best aspect. The rich elites can still afford the
> higher rates and can keep their AC on without any supply problems.
>
>
Reminds me of my experience in a country a few years ago that had "free"
(i.e., rationed) medical care for all. The demand for care outstripped the
supply and the only people who got decent medical care were the people with
money, who could pay for a private doctor. Everyone else had to go wait in
line at the clinic and hope for decent care.

This is the template one could overlay anything. Energy, Healthcare, Food,
etc., etc. Those who support Kyoto are lefties and the farther left you go,
the more strident the support for Kyoto. The "rich" are the ones one need
to be reigned in so the "poor" will have a chance.

 

"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:NHTyb.384552$HS4.3166098@attbi_s01...
> In article <3FCBD92E.AA0EBC33@kinez.net>, Bill Putney wrote:
>
> > I think z would go for the California model for "conservation" wherein
> > you legally ban the building of power generation facilities, then, when
> > the demand far outstrips the supply capacity, the price for energy goes
> > up so high that everyone turns their a.c. off because they can't afford
> > to run them - everybody wins because, once again, everyone is forced
> > down to the same level of misery - equality achieved at last. Oh one
> > catch - the people responsible aren't even allowed to finish out their
> > term due to the anger of the recipients of the benevolence of the
> > government.
>
> You forgot the best aspect. The rich elites can still afford the
> higher rates and can keep their AC on without any supply problems.
>
>
Reminds me of my experience in a country a few years ago that had "free"
(i.e., rationed) medical care for all. The demand for care outstripped the
supply and the only people who got decent medical care were the people with
money, who could pay for a private doctor. Everyone else had to go wait in
line at the clinic and hope for decent care.

This is the template one could overlay anything. Energy, Healthcare, Food,
etc., etc. Those who support Kyoto are lefties and the farther left you go,
the more strident the support for Kyoto. The "rich" are the ones one need
to be reigned in so the "poor" will have a chance.