Lloyd Parker wrote:


>
> At least the Dems didn't have a Chinese spy on the payroll!

Hell, the idiots didn't even have AMERICAN spies on the payroll! Or at
any rate they didn't pay attention to them, or else they'd have captured
Bin Laden when the Sudanese tried to *give* him to us in 1996.

 

Lloyd Parker wrote:


>
> At least the Dems didn't have a Chinese spy on the payroll!

Hell, the idiots didn't even have AMERICAN spies on the payroll! Or at
any rate they didn't pay attention to them, or else they'd have captured
Bin Laden when the Sudanese tried to *give* him to us in 1996.

 

"Guess America currently is not really a democracy either"
Never the intent... you should have learned this in grade school:
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the USA, and to the REPUBLIC for which it
stands...


"Benjamin Lee" <benmlee@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:bRYtb.72020$Ec1.3947253@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> >
> > First of all, to describe what Iran had in the first half of the century
> as
> > a democracy is a stretch beyond reason.
>
> Is a matter of degree. Guess America currently is not really a democracy
> either. It is mainly governed by corporations who have the finance to buy
> political influence.
>
> Also, to say that the CIA overthrew
> > the government is wrong. It is true that the US supported the Monarchy
> (the
> > Shah) in his struggle against the PM, Mossadeq, who was a Nationalist
and
> a
> > Secularist.
>
> The CIA tried once to overthrow Mossadeq, but the plan was discovered.
They
> tried the second time and succeeded. It was a direct intervention that
> involved planning from both the CIA and the British. It sure does not
sound
> like just support for the Monarchy.
>
> Here again is proof that many non-aligned nations at the onset
> > of the cold war played east against west. Mossadeq was courting favor
> with
> > the Tudeh (the outlawed Communist party supported by the Soviets)
because
> it
> > gave him leverage against the west (primarily Britain, secondarily the
> US).
> > He wanted to nationalize the Iranian oil industry but made the mistake
of
> > getting in bed with the Communists. This sealed his overthrow by the
Shah
> > and the Iranian military with the support of the British and US, Cold
War
> > politics being what they were at the time.
> >
>
> I suspect nationalizing the oil industry is where he made the major
mistake.
> That means major corporations will loose their investments. The US does
have
> this phobia against communist. Communism itself is not the problem. It is
> the rulers who use communism as a front to gain power. Soviet Union was
not
> communism. It is really totalitarianism.
>
> > The Shah did A LOT to bring Iran into the 20th century and improve life
> > there. He was, however, a dictator and practiced brutality against his
> > enemies. One can focus on this and not be wrong in judging him. But to
> > assume that supporting Mossadeq would have been the right thing to do
> > ignores the risks of doing so.
> >
>
> That is a weak argument to support a dictator. Hitler also brought the
> Germans out of depression, and made them into a world power.
>
> > There weren't perfect choices to be had.
> >
> > > See the book:
> > > "All the Shah's Men: An American Coup and the Roots of Middle East
> Terror"
> > >
> >
>
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...068997504//ref
> > > =sr_8_xs_ap_i0_xgl14/102-0020534-2936176?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
> > >
> > > This was talked about in National Public Radio.
> >
> > Yeah, I'm sure the left and those who dislike the US for whatever reason
> > (and thus can't judge dispassionately), love this line about the US
itself
> > having created the --------- threat it is now fighting. What's your
> point?
> >
>
> Love the line about how the --------- are jealous of our wealth so they
are
> blowing themselves up. Bin Laden's family had more wealth than most
American
> will ever dream of having. George Bush did business with the family. Bin
> Laden himself was a outcast of the family though. k ;l kk fffffggg p
>
> > > You won't find this kind of history in public school for sure. The
only
> > > history that most American know about are Columbus discovered America,
> and
> > > made friends with the Indians during Thanksgiving.
> > >
> >
> > Oh, yes. Of course we should teach history with an anti-American spin
in
> > public schools. Maybe you're behind the times, Columbus has been on the
> > outs for years (treacherous lech that he was trying to find new trade
> routes
> > to the east).
> >
> >
> > > Even so, these countries were never
> > > > really aligned east/west during the cold war. The defeat of
Communism
> > > > didn't defeat despotism in these countries. They were anti west and
> > anti
> > > > communist and they played the dispute to their advantage; not
> > necessarily
> > > > to the advantage of their people, but to the advantage of themselves
> as
> > > > dictators and tyrants. US policy didn't make these countries into
> what
> > > they
> > > > are now.
> > > >
> > > > You trivialize all of this by saying the US overthrew governments
that
> > > > didn't agree with US policy as if it's governed by sheer arragance.
> You
> > > > trivialize the threat communist expansion really was. The things
that
> > > went
> > > > bad were really bad, but to sit there and sanctimoniously blame the
US
> > as
> > > > arrogant when IT was the country taking the risks and trying to do
the
> > > right
> > > > thing to fight Communism.
> > > >
> > >
> > > The US did not trust the Arab's democracy. We were afraid they would
> turn
> > > Communist as you have mentioned. Therefore, we suppored Mohammad Reza
> Shah
> > > who was a dictator set up by the US. It was easier to trust one person
> > than
> > > to trust the people in whole country. I suspect in the 50's part of
the
> > > reasoning was prejudice against Arabs. We treated them like we treat
> > blacks
> > > and other non-whites.
> > >
> >
> > The US didn't set up the Shah. He was there before the start of the
cold
> > war. His beginnings as Shah were due to WWII politics when his father
> > wouldn't support the allies against the *****, so the British and the
> > Soviets got rid of him (sent him into exile) and allowed his son to
become
> > Shah.
> >
> > Where do you get your history lessons from? Perhaps they teach that the
> > dirty rotten US, Britain and the USSR overthrew a legitimately and
> > Democratically elected government in Germany. I suppose you could say
> that
> > and be right.
> >
> >
>
>

 

"Guess America currently is not really a democracy either"
Never the intent... you should have learned this in grade school:
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the USA, and to the REPUBLIC for which it
stands...


"Benjamin Lee" <benmlee@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:bRYtb.72020$Ec1.3947253@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> >
> > First of all, to describe what Iran had in the first half of the century
> as
> > a democracy is a stretch beyond reason.
>
> Is a matter of degree. Guess America currently is not really a democracy
> either. It is mainly governed by corporations who have the finance to buy
> political influence.
>
> Also, to say that the CIA overthrew
> > the government is wrong. It is true that the US supported the Monarchy
> (the
> > Shah) in his struggle against the PM, Mossadeq, who was a Nationalist
and
> a
> > Secularist.
>
> The CIA tried once to overthrow Mossadeq, but the plan was discovered.
They
> tried the second time and succeeded. It was a direct intervention that
> involved planning from both the CIA and the British. It sure does not
sound
> like just support for the Monarchy.
>
> Here again is proof that many non-aligned nations at the onset
> > of the cold war played east against west. Mossadeq was courting favor
> with
> > the Tudeh (the outlawed Communist party supported by the Soviets)
because
> it
> > gave him leverage against the west (primarily Britain, secondarily the
> US).
> > He wanted to nationalize the Iranian oil industry but made the mistake
of
> > getting in bed with the Communists. This sealed his overthrow by the
Shah
> > and the Iranian military with the support of the British and US, Cold
War
> > politics being what they were at the time.
> >
>
> I suspect nationalizing the oil industry is where he made the major
mistake.
> That means major corporations will loose their investments. The US does
have
> this phobia against communist. Communism itself is not the problem. It is
> the rulers who use communism as a front to gain power. Soviet Union was
not
> communism. It is really totalitarianism.
>
> > The Shah did A LOT to bring Iran into the 20th century and improve life
> > there. He was, however, a dictator and practiced brutality against his
> > enemies. One can focus on this and not be wrong in judging him. But to
> > assume that supporting Mossadeq would have been the right thing to do
> > ignores the risks of doing so.
> >
>
> That is a weak argument to support a dictator. Hitler also brought the
> Germans out of depression, and made them into a world power.
>
> > There weren't perfect choices to be had.
> >
> > > See the book:
> > > "All the Shah's Men: An American Coup and the Roots of Middle East
> Terror"
> > >
> >
>
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...068997504//ref
> > > =sr_8_xs_ap_i0_xgl14/102-0020534-2936176?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
> > >
> > > This was talked about in National Public Radio.
> >
> > Yeah, I'm sure the left and those who dislike the US for whatever reason
> > (and thus can't judge dispassionately), love this line about the US
itself
> > having created the --------- threat it is now fighting. What's your
> point?
> >
>
> Love the line about how the --------- are jealous of our wealth so they
are
> blowing themselves up. Bin Laden's family had more wealth than most
American
> will ever dream of having. George Bush did business with the family. Bin
> Laden himself was a outcast of the family though. k ;l kk fffffggg p
>
> > > You won't find this kind of history in public school for sure. The
only
> > > history that most American know about are Columbus discovered America,
> and
> > > made friends with the Indians during Thanksgiving.
> > >
> >
> > Oh, yes. Of course we should teach history with an anti-American spin
in
> > public schools. Maybe you're behind the times, Columbus has been on the
> > outs for years (treacherous lech that he was trying to find new trade
> routes
> > to the east).
> >
> >
> > > Even so, these countries were never
> > > > really aligned east/west during the cold war. The defeat of
Communism
> > > > didn't defeat despotism in these countries. They were anti west and
> > anti
> > > > communist and they played the dispute to their advantage; not
> > necessarily
> > > > to the advantage of their people, but to the advantage of themselves
> as
> > > > dictators and tyrants. US policy didn't make these countries into
> what
> > > they
> > > > are now.
> > > >
> > > > You trivialize all of this by saying the US overthrew governments
that
> > > > didn't agree with US policy as if it's governed by sheer arragance.
> You
> > > > trivialize the threat communist expansion really was. The things
that
> > > went
> > > > bad were really bad, but to sit there and sanctimoniously blame the
US
> > as
> > > > arrogant when IT was the country taking the risks and trying to do
the
> > > right
> > > > thing to fight Communism.
> > > >
> > >
> > > The US did not trust the Arab's democracy. We were afraid they would
> turn
> > > Communist as you have mentioned. Therefore, we suppored Mohammad Reza
> Shah
> > > who was a dictator set up by the US. It was easier to trust one person
> > than
> > > to trust the people in whole country. I suspect in the 50's part of
the
> > > reasoning was prejudice against Arabs. We treated them like we treat
> > blacks
> > > and other non-whites.
> > >
> >
> > The US didn't set up the Shah. He was there before the start of the
cold
> > war. His beginnings as Shah were due to WWII politics when his father
> > wouldn't support the allies against the *****, so the British and the
> > Soviets got rid of him (sent him into exile) and allowed his son to
become
> > Shah.
> >
> > Where do you get your history lessons from? Perhaps they teach that the
> > dirty rotten US, Britain and the USSR overthrew a legitimately and
> > Democratically elected government in Germany. I suppose you could say
> that
> > and be right.
> >
> >
>
>

 

"Guess America currently is not really a democracy either"
Never the intent... you should have learned this in grade school:
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the USA, and to the REPUBLIC for which it
stands...


"Benjamin Lee" <benmlee@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:bRYtb.72020$Ec1.3947253@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> >
> > First of all, to describe what Iran had in the first half of the century
> as
> > a democracy is a stretch beyond reason.
>
> Is a matter of degree. Guess America currently is not really a democracy
> either. It is mainly governed by corporations who have the finance to buy
> political influence.
>
> Also, to say that the CIA overthrew
> > the government is wrong. It is true that the US supported the Monarchy
> (the
> > Shah) in his struggle against the PM, Mossadeq, who was a Nationalist
and
> a
> > Secularist.
>
> The CIA tried once to overthrow Mossadeq, but the plan was discovered.
They
> tried the second time and succeeded. It was a direct intervention that
> involved planning from both the CIA and the British. It sure does not
sound
> like just support for the Monarchy.
>
> Here again is proof that many non-aligned nations at the onset
> > of the cold war played east against west. Mossadeq was courting favor
> with
> > the Tudeh (the outlawed Communist party supported by the Soviets)
because
> it
> > gave him leverage against the west (primarily Britain, secondarily the
> US).
> > He wanted to nationalize the Iranian oil industry but made the mistake
of
> > getting in bed with the Communists. This sealed his overthrow by the
Shah
> > and the Iranian military with the support of the British and US, Cold
War
> > politics being what they were at the time.
> >
>
> I suspect nationalizing the oil industry is where he made the major
mistake.
> That means major corporations will loose their investments. The US does
have
> this phobia against communist. Communism itself is not the problem. It is
> the rulers who use communism as a front to gain power. Soviet Union was
not
> communism. It is really totalitarianism.
>
> > The Shah did A LOT to bring Iran into the 20th century and improve life
> > there. He was, however, a dictator and practiced brutality against his
> > enemies. One can focus on this and not be wrong in judging him. But to
> > assume that supporting Mossadeq would have been the right thing to do
> > ignores the risks of doing so.
> >
>
> That is a weak argument to support a dictator. Hitler also brought the
> Germans out of depression, and made them into a world power.
>
> > There weren't perfect choices to be had.
> >
> > > See the book:
> > > "All the Shah's Men: An American Coup and the Roots of Middle East
> Terror"
> > >
> >
>
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...068997504//ref
> > > =sr_8_xs_ap_i0_xgl14/102-0020534-2936176?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
> > >
> > > This was talked about in National Public Radio.
> >
> > Yeah, I'm sure the left and those who dislike the US for whatever reason
> > (and thus can't judge dispassionately), love this line about the US
itself
> > having created the --------- threat it is now fighting. What's your
> point?
> >
>
> Love the line about how the --------- are jealous of our wealth so they
are
> blowing themselves up. Bin Laden's family had more wealth than most
American
> will ever dream of having. George Bush did business with the family. Bin
> Laden himself was a outcast of the family though. k ;l kk fffffggg p
>
> > > You won't find this kind of history in public school for sure. The
only
> > > history that most American know about are Columbus discovered America,
> and
> > > made friends with the Indians during Thanksgiving.
> > >
> >
> > Oh, yes. Of course we should teach history with an anti-American spin
in
> > public schools. Maybe you're behind the times, Columbus has been on the
> > outs for years (treacherous lech that he was trying to find new trade
> routes
> > to the east).
> >
> >
> > > Even so, these countries were never
> > > > really aligned east/west during the cold war. The defeat of
Communism
> > > > didn't defeat despotism in these countries. They were anti west and
> > anti
> > > > communist and they played the dispute to their advantage; not
> > necessarily
> > > > to the advantage of their people, but to the advantage of themselves
> as
> > > > dictators and tyrants. US policy didn't make these countries into
> what
> > > they
> > > > are now.
> > > >
> > > > You trivialize all of this by saying the US overthrew governments
that
> > > > didn't agree with US policy as if it's governed by sheer arragance.
> You
> > > > trivialize the threat communist expansion really was. The things
that
> > > went
> > > > bad were really bad, but to sit there and sanctimoniously blame the
US
> > as
> > > > arrogant when IT was the country taking the risks and trying to do
the
> > > right
> > > > thing to fight Communism.
> > > >
> > >
> > > The US did not trust the Arab's democracy. We were afraid they would
> turn
> > > Communist as you have mentioned. Therefore, we suppored Mohammad Reza
> Shah
> > > who was a dictator set up by the US. It was easier to trust one person
> > than
> > > to trust the people in whole country. I suspect in the 50's part of
the
> > > reasoning was prejudice against Arabs. We treated them like we treat
> > blacks
> > > and other non-whites.
> > >
> >
> > The US didn't set up the Shah. He was there before the start of the
cold
> > war. His beginnings as Shah were due to WWII politics when his father
> > wouldn't support the allies against the *****, so the British and the
> > Soviets got rid of him (sent him into exile) and allowed his son to
become
> > Shah.
> >
> > Where do you get your history lessons from? Perhaps they teach that the
> > dirty rotten US, Britain and the USSR overthrew a legitimately and
> > Democratically elected government in Germany. I suppose you could say
> that
> > and be right.
> >
> >
>
>

 

"Steve" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message
news:PPWdnbOwAtL0oySiRTvUrg@texas.net...
> Lloyd Parker wrote:
>
>
> >
> > At least the Dems didn't have a Chinese spy on the payroll!
>
> Hell, the idiots didn't even have AMERICAN spies on the payroll! Or at
> any rate they didn't pay attention to them, or else they'd have
captured
> Bin Laden when the Sudanese tried to *give* him to us in 1996.
>
>
They didn't need a Chinese spy when Klinton was in, he handed them
anything they wanted straight out of the safe. Don't need a spy when a
Komrade holds the office.... Especially when your paying for the guys
election...




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"Steve" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message
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> Lloyd Parker wrote:
>
>
> >
> > At least the Dems didn't have a Chinese spy on the payroll!
>
> Hell, the idiots didn't even have AMERICAN spies on the payroll! Or at
> any rate they didn't pay attention to them, or else they'd have
captured
> Bin Laden when the Sudanese tried to *give* him to us in 1996.
>
>
They didn't need a Chinese spy when Klinton was in, he handed them
anything they wanted straight out of the safe. Don't need a spy when a
Komrade holds the office.... Especially when your paying for the guys
election...




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"Steve" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message
news:PPWdnbOwAtL0oySiRTvUrg@texas.net...
> Lloyd Parker wrote:
>
>
> >
> > At least the Dems didn't have a Chinese spy on the payroll!
>
> Hell, the idiots didn't even have AMERICAN spies on the payroll! Or at
> any rate they didn't pay attention to them, or else they'd have
captured
> Bin Laden when the Sudanese tried to *give* him to us in 1996.
>
>
They didn't need a Chinese spy when Klinton was in, he handed them
anything they wanted straight out of the safe. Don't need a spy when a
Komrade holds the office.... Especially when your paying for the guys
election...




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"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
news:bpb4mp$13m$5@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> In article <su8ub.5087$Rk5.2701@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink. net>,
> "FDRanger92" <csu13081@nospammail.clayton.edu> wrote:
> >
> >"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
> >news:bpar8i$k2h$5@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> >> In article <gYVtb.33146$pE3.5099@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> >> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"Benjamin Lee" <benmlee@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:XPStb.70809$Ec1.3910324@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > Do you think the people of Iran feel that way?
> >> >> > > Do you think the people of Pakistan feel that way?
> >> >> > > How about Afghanistan? Iraq?
> >> >> > > Each of these countries *had* free democratic elections, but
when
> >they
> >> >> > > elected governments whose foreign policies didn't agree with the
> >US,
> >> >> > > they ended up with coups d'etat funded by the US, and their
freely
> >> >> > > elected governments kicked out. This is not conspiracy theory,
> >this
> >> >> > > is history.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You're wrong about these countries having ever been free
democratic
> >> >> > societies with freely elected governments. I don't know what
history
> >> >book
> >> >> > you read, but it ranks with mythology.
> >> >>
> >> >> This year is the 50th annaversary of the CIA's overthrow of
Democracy
> >in
> >> >> Iran.
> >> >
> >> >First of all, to describe what Iran had in the first half of the
century
> >as
> >> >a democracy is a stretch beyond reason.
> >>
> >>
> >> For a brief time, Mossadeq, it was correct.
> >>
> >> >Also, to say that the CIA overthrew
> >> >the government is wrong.
> >>
> >>
> >> What would you call organizing a coup then?
> >>
> >> >It is true that the US supported the Monarchy (the
> >> >Shah) in his struggle against the PM, Mossadeq, who was a Nationalist
and
> >a
> >> >Secularist. Here again is proof that many non-aligned nations at the
> >onset
> >> >of the cold war played east against west. Mossadeq was courting favor
> >with
> >> >the Tudeh (the outlawed Communist party supported by the Soviets)
because
> >it
> >> >gave him leverage against the west (primarily Britain, secondarily the
> >US).
> >>
> >>
> >> So, if say China doesn't like the Republican party here, it's OK for
them
> >to
> >> help groups try to overthrow the US government?
> >
> >
> >Kind of like China illegally donating money to AlGore's campaign and the
> >Democrats. I keep forgetting there wasn't any controlling authority and
Al
> >had to take a leak from too much tea at the temple.
> >
> >
> At least the Dems didn't have a Chinese spy on the payroll!

They didn't need one w/ your hero giving them all the technology they
wanted.

 

"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
news:bpb4mp$13m$5@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> In article <su8ub.5087$Rk5.2701@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink. net>,
> "FDRanger92" <csu13081@nospammail.clayton.edu> wrote:
> >
> >"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
> >news:bpar8i$k2h$5@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> >> In article <gYVtb.33146$pE3.5099@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> >> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"Benjamin Lee" <benmlee@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:XPStb.70809$Ec1.3910324@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > Do you think the people of Iran feel that way?
> >> >> > > Do you think the people of Pakistan feel that way?
> >> >> > > How about Afghanistan? Iraq?
> >> >> > > Each of these countries *had* free democratic elections, but
when
> >they
> >> >> > > elected governments whose foreign policies didn't agree with the
> >US,
> >> >> > > they ended up with coups d'etat funded by the US, and their
freely
> >> >> > > elected governments kicked out. This is not conspiracy theory,
> >this
> >> >> > > is history.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You're wrong about these countries having ever been free
democratic
> >> >> > societies with freely elected governments. I don't know what
history
> >> >book
> >> >> > you read, but it ranks with mythology.
> >> >>
> >> >> This year is the 50th annaversary of the CIA's overthrow of
Democracy
> >in
> >> >> Iran.
> >> >
> >> >First of all, to describe what Iran had in the first half of the
century
> >as
> >> >a democracy is a stretch beyond reason.
> >>
> >>
> >> For a brief time, Mossadeq, it was correct.
> >>
> >> >Also, to say that the CIA overthrew
> >> >the government is wrong.
> >>
> >>
> >> What would you call organizing a coup then?
> >>
> >> >It is true that the US supported the Monarchy (the
> >> >Shah) in his struggle against the PM, Mossadeq, who was a Nationalist
and
> >a
> >> >Secularist. Here again is proof that many non-aligned nations at the
> >onset
> >> >of the cold war played east against west. Mossadeq was courting favor
> >with
> >> >the Tudeh (the outlawed Communist party supported by the Soviets)
because
> >it
> >> >gave him leverage against the west (primarily Britain, secondarily the
> >US).
> >>
> >>
> >> So, if say China doesn't like the Republican party here, it's OK for
them
> >to
> >> help groups try to overthrow the US government?
> >
> >
> >Kind of like China illegally donating money to AlGore's campaign and the
> >Democrats. I keep forgetting there wasn't any controlling authority and
Al
> >had to take a leak from too much tea at the temple.
> >
> >
> At least the Dems didn't have a Chinese spy on the payroll!

They didn't need one w/ your hero giving them all the technology they
wanted.