On Fri, 07 Nov 03 09:18:14 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>In article <vpblqvo11kq7647dh48hf6eg9q1sonirl5@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 06 Nov 03 14:05:06 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article <0Hiqb.11729$9M3.6724@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink .net>,
>>> "Joe" <jo_ratner@NOSPAM.yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>At a federal level? YES. STATES should do that, NOT the feds...
>>>
>>>So why should a US citizen who lives in Mississippi not have the same rights
>>>and privileges as one who lives in New York?
>>
>>Maybe because the US Constitution says so?
>
>Doesn't being an American mean anything?

How do you connect those two?
If one state gives its citizens rights and priviledges that another
state doesn't, how does that affect your being an American?
>
>>>
>>>
>>>> But why
>>>>listen to what the "founding fathers" wanted...
>>>
>>>They wanted the government to "provide for the general welfare" and wrote
>that
>>>into the constitution.
>>
>>"General Welfare" and "welfare" are not the same.
>
>No, but it's subjective what general welfare includes. To me and most
>Americans, it includes education, transportation, environmental protection,
>etc.

The Federal Government has no mandate about education. Look it up.
The Constitution very carefully defines the obligations of the
Government. It also is very explicit in saying that anything not
specifically defined as the province of the Federal Government, it is
then reserved to the states.

>
>>But you knew that, and are just trying to obfuscate (for you, that
>>means lie).
>>

--
Bill Funk
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On Fri, 07 Nov 03 09:18:48 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>In article <a1clqv07grvmv9iqc1f7i4urkrj1610kof@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 06 Nov 03 14:00:50 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article <P3gqb.313110$9l5.188454@pd7tw2no>,
>>> "Kingbarry2000" <kingbarrypublic@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
>>>>news:bo8ji1$3lv$1@puck.cc.emory.edu...
>>>>> In article <3FA6A6C2.670B2F9D@mindspring.com>,
>>>>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Jonesy wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:<bnuuae0m7h@enews4.newsguy.com>...
>>>>> >> > Or, an idealist who gets his first pay check and realizes he's just
>>>>spent
>>>>> >> > 50% of his time working for the Government.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Yet another right-wing lie.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> No beginning worker spends even half that amount to The Government.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >In defense of Gerald, it dpends on your loaction and the starting pay.
>>>>I'd
>>>>> guess some engineers in high
>>>>> >tax staes could be approaching 50% when you include Social Security
>(both
>>>>> sides, not just "your half") and
>>>>>
>>>>> Then let's include the employer's property taxes and utility bills.
>>>>>
>>>>> >state and city taxes. And if you include all the taxes you pay, both
>>>>direct
>>>>> annd indirect, I'd guess a lot
>>>>> >of people pay more than 50% of their income to various governments.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gee, if you right-wingers include everything anybody pays as YOUR taxes,
>I
>>>>bet
>>>>> you could get up over 100%!
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Ed
>>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>Its actually 101% when you include the death taxes.
>>>>
>>>Do you have any idea how few estates are subject to the estate tax?
>>
>>You changed the subject again.
>>Do you ramble like this in class?
>
>Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

Not at all.
You responded with a non sequitor.
It matter not how many or few are affected by the tax in question.
--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Fri, 07 Nov 03 09:18:48 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>In article <a1clqv07grvmv9iqc1f7i4urkrj1610kof@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 06 Nov 03 14:00:50 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article <P3gqb.313110$9l5.188454@pd7tw2no>,
>>> "Kingbarry2000" <kingbarrypublic@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
>>>>news:bo8ji1$3lv$1@puck.cc.emory.edu...
>>>>> In article <3FA6A6C2.670B2F9D@mindspring.com>,
>>>>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Jonesy wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:<bnuuae0m7h@enews4.newsguy.com>...
>>>>> >> > Or, an idealist who gets his first pay check and realizes he's just
>>>>spent
>>>>> >> > 50% of his time working for the Government.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Yet another right-wing lie.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> No beginning worker spends even half that amount to The Government.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >In defense of Gerald, it dpends on your loaction and the starting pay.
>>>>I'd
>>>>> guess some engineers in high
>>>>> >tax staes could be approaching 50% when you include Social Security
>(both
>>>>> sides, not just "your half") and
>>>>>
>>>>> Then let's include the employer's property taxes and utility bills.
>>>>>
>>>>> >state and city taxes. And if you include all the taxes you pay, both
>>>>direct
>>>>> annd indirect, I'd guess a lot
>>>>> >of people pay more than 50% of their income to various governments.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gee, if you right-wingers include everything anybody pays as YOUR taxes,
>I
>>>>bet
>>>>> you could get up over 100%!
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Ed
>>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>Its actually 101% when you include the death taxes.
>>>>
>>>Do you have any idea how few estates are subject to the estate tax?
>>
>>You changed the subject again.
>>Do you ramble like this in class?
>
>Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

Not at all.
You responded with a non sequitor.
It matter not how many or few are affected by the tax in question.
--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Fri, 07 Nov 03 09:18:48 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>In article <a1clqv07grvmv9iqc1f7i4urkrj1610kof@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 06 Nov 03 14:00:50 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article <P3gqb.313110$9l5.188454@pd7tw2no>,
>>> "Kingbarry2000" <kingbarrypublic@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
>>>>news:bo8ji1$3lv$1@puck.cc.emory.edu...
>>>>> In article <3FA6A6C2.670B2F9D@mindspring.com>,
>>>>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Jonesy wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:<bnuuae0m7h@enews4.newsguy.com>...
>>>>> >> > Or, an idealist who gets his first pay check and realizes he's just
>>>>spent
>>>>> >> > 50% of his time working for the Government.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Yet another right-wing lie.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> No beginning worker spends even half that amount to The Government.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >In defense of Gerald, it dpends on your loaction and the starting pay.
>>>>I'd
>>>>> guess some engineers in high
>>>>> >tax staes could be approaching 50% when you include Social Security
>(both
>>>>> sides, not just "your half") and
>>>>>
>>>>> Then let's include the employer's property taxes and utility bills.
>>>>>
>>>>> >state and city taxes. And if you include all the taxes you pay, both
>>>>direct
>>>>> annd indirect, I'd guess a lot
>>>>> >of people pay more than 50% of their income to various governments.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gee, if you right-wingers include everything anybody pays as YOUR taxes,
>I
>>>>bet
>>>>> you could get up over 100%!
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Ed
>>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>Its actually 101% when you include the death taxes.
>>>>
>>>Do you have any idea how few estates are subject to the estate tax?
>>
>>You changed the subject again.
>>Do you ramble like this in class?
>
>Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

Not at all.
You responded with a non sequitor.
It matter not how many or few are affected by the tax in question.
--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Fri, 07 Nov 03 09:10:09 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>In article <qlxqb.95265$ao4.280496@attbi_s51>,
> tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
>>In article <boe695$i0q$21@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>> "The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>>>>"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>>> But I have to admit, this is the product of experience.
>><snip>
>>>>You've learned from experience, Lloyd never has. ;-)
>>
>>> I've learned from science; you never have.
>>
>>I've learned from science, and it's not science that you preach parker.
>>You spout political views and hide behind a PhD in chemistry as if
>>that makes your political views correct. You dismiss without discussion
>>any scientific data or analysis that challenges your beliefs. That is *NOT*
>>science.
>>
>>
>>
>Science tells up CO2 absorbs heat, science tells us the earth is warming,
>science tells us CO2 has increased along with temperature, science tells us
>human activities produce CO2.

What does science tell us about prior warming periods?

--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Fri, 07 Nov 03 09:10:09 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>In article <qlxqb.95265$ao4.280496@attbi_s51>,
> tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
>>In article <boe695$i0q$21@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>> "The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>>>>"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>>> But I have to admit, this is the product of experience.
>><snip>
>>>>You've learned from experience, Lloyd never has. ;-)
>>
>>> I've learned from science; you never have.
>>
>>I've learned from science, and it's not science that you preach parker.
>>You spout political views and hide behind a PhD in chemistry as if
>>that makes your political views correct. You dismiss without discussion
>>any scientific data or analysis that challenges your beliefs. That is *NOT*
>>science.
>>
>>
>>
>Science tells up CO2 absorbs heat, science tells us the earth is warming,
>science tells us CO2 has increased along with temperature, science tells us
>human activities produce CO2.

What does science tell us about prior warming periods?

--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Fri, 07 Nov 03 09:10:09 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>In article <qlxqb.95265$ao4.280496@attbi_s51>,
> tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
>>In article <boe695$i0q$21@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>> "The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>>>>"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>>> But I have to admit, this is the product of experience.
>><snip>
>>>>You've learned from experience, Lloyd never has. ;-)
>>
>>> I've learned from science; you never have.
>>
>>I've learned from science, and it's not science that you preach parker.
>>You spout political views and hide behind a PhD in chemistry as if
>>that makes your political views correct. You dismiss without discussion
>>any scientific data or analysis that challenges your beliefs. That is *NOT*
>>science.
>>
>>
>>
>Science tells up CO2 absorbs heat, science tells us the earth is warming,
>science tells us CO2 has increased along with temperature, science tells us
>human activities produce CO2.

What does science tell us about prior warming periods?

--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

Bill Funk wrote:

> If those jobs are in the government, they are non-productive.
> They don't produce anything that can be sold, serviced, bought and
> used.

Workers bulding and maintaining roads are non-productive? Soldiers, sailors and
airmen defending our country are not providing a service? Agriculture inspectors
checking beef are not providing a service. Policeman fighting crime aren't
providing a service? The National Weather Service is non-productive?

Ed

 

Bill Funk wrote:

> If those jobs are in the government, they are non-productive.
> They don't produce anything that can be sold, serviced, bought and
> used.

Workers bulding and maintaining roads are non-productive? Soldiers, sailors and
airmen defending our country are not providing a service? Agriculture inspectors
checking beef are not providing a service. Policeman fighting crime aren't
providing a service? The National Weather Service is non-productive?

Ed

 

Bill Funk wrote:

> If those jobs are in the government, they are non-productive.
> They don't produce anything that can be sold, serviced, bought and
> used.

Workers bulding and maintaining roads are non-productive? Soldiers, sailors and
airmen defending our country are not providing a service? Agriculture inspectors
checking beef are not providing a service. Policeman fighting crime aren't
providing a service? The National Weather Service is non-productive?

Ed