And hit the !@#$!@#$ send key before noting that the
Kalifornia Dynamometer test is excluded if the vehicle
has full time 4wd, limited slip, etc. so watch out for
some goofball that puts your jeep in 4wd and puts only
the back wheels on the dyno and runs it up to Cal-97
smogcheck speed...and out the back of the garage.

Approximately 10/23/03 19:27, Joe uttered for posterity:

> AH!
> Thanks.
> "Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
> news:H10mb.14590$HS4.53744@attbi_s01...
>> Approximately 10/23/03 19:06, Joe uttered for posterity:
>> > If this posts twice, I'm sorry... the first one hasn't shown up yet
> (posted
>> > yesterday)...
>> > Isn't the emissions inspection done with a tube in the tail pipe at
> idle?
>> >
>>
>> Depends on the state. In Kalifornia, as of mumble mumble this
>> past summer, the emissions check is done on a dynamometer in
>> addition to idle. Local dealer is still complaining about how
>> expensive said equipment is, how impossible it is to get, and
>> then how impossible it is to get personnel trained on the thing
>> to perform the smog test that just roughly doubled in price
>> at the minimumimum.
>>
>>
>> --
>> My governor can kick your governor's ***
>>
>
>


--
My governor can kick your governor's ***

 

And hit the !@#$!@#$ send key before noting that the
Kalifornia Dynamometer test is excluded if the vehicle
has full time 4wd, limited slip, etc. so watch out for
some goofball that puts your jeep in 4wd and puts only
the back wheels on the dyno and runs it up to Cal-97
smogcheck speed...and out the back of the garage.

Approximately 10/23/03 19:27, Joe uttered for posterity:

> AH!
> Thanks.
> "Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
> news:H10mb.14590$HS4.53744@attbi_s01...
>> Approximately 10/23/03 19:06, Joe uttered for posterity:
>> > If this posts twice, I'm sorry... the first one hasn't shown up yet
> (posted
>> > yesterday)...
>> > Isn't the emissions inspection done with a tube in the tail pipe at
> idle?
>> >
>>
>> Depends on the state. In Kalifornia, as of mumble mumble this
>> past summer, the emissions check is done on a dynamometer in
>> addition to idle. Local dealer is still complaining about how
>> expensive said equipment is, how impossible it is to get, and
>> then how impossible it is to get personnel trained on the thing
>> to perform the smog test that just roughly doubled in price
>> at the minimumimum.
>>
>>
>> --
>> My governor can kick your governor's ***
>>
>
>


--
My governor can kick your governor's ***

 

"Nate Nagel" <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote in message
news:vi%lb.39$qv6.179120@news.abs.net...
> Dave C. wrote:
>
> >>Subaru.
> >>
> >>nate
> >
> >
> > Already answered by more than one poster. Too small to be considered a
good
> > value. -Dave
> >
> >
>
> How big of a car do you need? The Legacy is downright cavernous, at
> least from my small-car-loving perspective.
>
> nate

I can't speak for him, but I need lots of leg and head room. Jeep Cherokee,
to small, I have to recline the seat way back to get my head low enough to
fit. Monte Carlo, to small, again I have to lower and recline the seat as
far as possible just to squeeze in. Mercury Grand Marquis, better, at least
I can drive it in reasonable comfort, but it could stand to be a bit larger
yet. The 1972 Olds 98 LS I used to drive? Perfect! So now I just stick with
full size pickups, which could use a little more headroom themselves. It's
size discrimination I tell you, where's my lawyer? ;-)

 

"Nate Nagel" <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote in message
news:vi%lb.39$qv6.179120@news.abs.net...
> Dave C. wrote:
>
> >>Subaru.
> >>
> >>nate
> >
> >
> > Already answered by more than one poster. Too small to be considered a
good
> > value. -Dave
> >
> >
>
> How big of a car do you need? The Legacy is downright cavernous, at
> least from my small-car-loving perspective.
>
> nate

I can't speak for him, but I need lots of leg and head room. Jeep Cherokee,
to small, I have to recline the seat way back to get my head low enough to
fit. Monte Carlo, to small, again I have to lower and recline the seat as
far as possible just to squeeze in. Mercury Grand Marquis, better, at least
I can drive it in reasonable comfort, but it could stand to be a bit larger
yet. The 1972 Olds 98 LS I used to drive? Perfect! So now I just stick with
full size pickups, which could use a little more headroom themselves. It's
size discrimination I tell you, where's my lawyer? ;-)

 

"Nate Nagel" <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote in message
news:vi%lb.39$qv6.179120@news.abs.net...
> Dave C. wrote:
>
> >>Subaru.
> >>
> >>nate
> >
> >
> > Already answered by more than one poster. Too small to be considered a
good
> > value. -Dave
> >
> >
>
> How big of a car do you need? The Legacy is downright cavernous, at
> least from my small-car-loving perspective.
>
> nate

I can't speak for him, but I need lots of leg and head room. Jeep Cherokee,
to small, I have to recline the seat way back to get my head low enough to
fit. Monte Carlo, to small, again I have to lower and recline the seat as
far as possible just to squeeze in. Mercury Grand Marquis, better, at least
I can drive it in reasonable comfort, but it could stand to be a bit larger
yet. The 1972 Olds 98 LS I used to drive? Perfect! So now I just stick with
full size pickups, which could use a little more headroom themselves. It's
size discrimination I tell you, where's my lawyer? ;-)

 

Nate Nagel wrote:

> I'd disagree with the last statement - IME European cars have a *longer*
> life than American cars. Now Japanese cars, due to their weird laws, do
> seem to start falling apart around the 10 year mark.

Germans have the same sort of laws as the Japanese. There are very few 9
year old cars in Germany. The average age of cars in Europe as a whole
is only around 7 years, compared to something like 10 years in the US. I
suspect this is the reason why VWs and Mercedes has such poor long term
reliability. In this county people seem to be willing to spend
incredible amounts of money to keep German cars running. It has always
been a mystery to me why people do this. One of my old office mates had
a really crappy 240D that he spent more on in repairs than I paid in new
car payments. The car was uncomfortable, dead slow and ugly, but he
seemed to think it was some sort of status symbol To me it was a second
rate taxi.

Ed

 

Nate Nagel wrote:

> I'd disagree with the last statement - IME European cars have a *longer*
> life than American cars. Now Japanese cars, due to their weird laws, do
> seem to start falling apart around the 10 year mark.

Germans have the same sort of laws as the Japanese. There are very few 9
year old cars in Germany. The average age of cars in Europe as a whole
is only around 7 years, compared to something like 10 years in the US. I
suspect this is the reason why VWs and Mercedes has such poor long term
reliability. In this county people seem to be willing to spend
incredible amounts of money to keep German cars running. It has always
been a mystery to me why people do this. One of my old office mates had
a really crappy 240D that he spent more on in repairs than I paid in new
car payments. The car was uncomfortable, dead slow and ugly, but he
seemed to think it was some sort of status symbol To me it was a second
rate taxi.

Ed

 

Nate Nagel wrote:

> I'd disagree with the last statement - IME European cars have a *longer*
> life than American cars. Now Japanese cars, due to their weird laws, do
> seem to start falling apart around the 10 year mark.

Germans have the same sort of laws as the Japanese. There are very few 9
year old cars in Germany. The average age of cars in Europe as a whole
is only around 7 years, compared to something like 10 years in the US. I
suspect this is the reason why VWs and Mercedes has such poor long term
reliability. In this county people seem to be willing to spend
incredible amounts of money to keep German cars running. It has always
been a mystery to me why people do this. One of my old office mates had
a really crappy 240D that he spent more on in repairs than I paid in new
car payments. The car was uncomfortable, dead slow and ugly, but he
seemed to think it was some sort of status symbol To me it was a second
rate taxi.

Ed

 

In article <3F7108FB.F2C51FD8@mindspring.com>, C. E. White wrote:
>
>
> Nate Nagel wrote:
>
>> I'd disagree with the last statement - IME European cars have a *longer*
>> life than American cars. Now Japanese cars, due to their weird laws, do
>> seem to start falling apart around the 10 year mark.
>
> Germans have the same sort of laws as the Japanese. There are very few 9
> year old cars in Germany.

Not from what I saw. I saw lots of old vehicles on the road in northern
Germany. Including an early 80s F-body GM, a GM full size station wagon,
countless old VW products, etc etc.

There were some sort of inspection laws, but hardly the get the 4 year
old cars off the road ones I've heard about for japan.

 

In article <3F7108FB.F2C51FD8@mindspring.com>, C. E. White wrote:
>
>
> Nate Nagel wrote:
>
>> I'd disagree with the last statement - IME European cars have a *longer*
>> life than American cars. Now Japanese cars, due to their weird laws, do
>> seem to start falling apart around the 10 year mark.
>
> Germans have the same sort of laws as the Japanese. There are very few 9
> year old cars in Germany.

Not from what I saw. I saw lots of old vehicles on the road in northern
Germany. Including an early 80s F-body GM, a GM full size station wagon,
countless old VW products, etc etc.

There were some sort of inspection laws, but hardly the get the 4 year
old cars off the road ones I've heard about for japan.