"Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
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> Aardwolf wrote:
> >
> > Lloyd Parker wrote:
> >
> >
> >>In article <3F9235DC.AD3A628B@itis.com>, Aardwolf <se1aard1@itis.com>
wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@engin.umich> wrote in message
> >>>>news:Pine.SOL.4.44.0310171205180.4904->
> >>>>
> >>>>>CAFE has effectively limited the weight of passenger vehicles. CAFE
has
> >>>>>been shown to cost lives for exactly this reason.
> >>>>
> >>>>This may be true, but CAFE has also saved lives, because forcing
vehicles
> >>>>to use less fuel helps to reduce pollution, and thus fewer people
dying
> >>
> >>each
> >>
> >>>>year
> >>>>as a result of pollution-related illnesses. Most likely the lives
lost by
> >>>>one
> >>>>thing are balanced by the other.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>It's been shown more than once that the vast majority of the
> >>
> >>problem--probably
> >>
> >>>more than 80%--is caused by a very small minority of severely out of
tune
> >>>vehicles, of any age, any engine size, but most less than 10 years old
simply
> >>
> >>do
> >>
> >>>to demographic trends in the vehicle population. Even a 1968 Hemi
Charger,
> >>>running within specifications (if any at all are still used as daily
drivers
> >>>anywhere on this continent), is virtually indistinguishable from a
brand new
> >>>car, emmissions wise, when compared to one of those aforementioned
> >>>pollution-spewing wrecks.
> >>>
> >>>--Aardwolf
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Totally false. Why do you think auto makers went to catalytic
converters?
> >
> >
> > 1. What percentage of the current vehicle population do pre-1975 cars
make up?
> >
> > 2. As to how clean they look, it's relative. It has to do with the
magnitude of
> > the stuff coming out the pipe of a gross polluter. Which is absolutely
not false.
> >
> > --Aardwolf.
> >
> I changed to an off road chip in my Jeep to improve the performance.
> It runs much better with the hot chip. I only use the stock chip when
> its time for emissions inspection.
>

What happens if you test w/ the hot chip? My 92 Ranger hasn't failed yet and
I've had a chip in it since 97 or 98.

 

"Bill Funk" <bfunk33@qwest.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:50:48 -0700, Lisa Horton <Lisa@lisahorton.net>
> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> But that applies to drivers of *ALL* classes of vehicles, not just
> >> SUVs.
> >
> >Quite true of course. But a moron in an econobox represents a much
> >smaller danger than a moron in a behemoth.
> >
> >Lisa
>
> On an individual basis, maybe.
> It's my observation that there are far more morons driving vehicles
> smaller than SUVs out there than those driving SUVs.
> I don't see SUVs/light trucks zooming in and out of traffic anyway
> near as often as I see wannabe ganstas with small cars with loud
> exhausts, blue-tinted headlights and theater-sized stereos doing that.
> These mental midgets are constantly causing other drivers to move to
> avoid hitting them, which just isn't safe.
> In all honesty, I just don't see that many SUV/light trucks doing
> that.

Move to Atlanta, you'll see lots of both doing that.

 

"Bill Funk" <bfunk33@qwest.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:50:48 -0700, Lisa Horton <Lisa@lisahorton.net>
> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> But that applies to drivers of *ALL* classes of vehicles, not just
> >> SUVs.
> >
> >Quite true of course. But a moron in an econobox represents a much
> >smaller danger than a moron in a behemoth.
> >
> >Lisa
>
> On an individual basis, maybe.
> It's my observation that there are far more morons driving vehicles
> smaller than SUVs out there than those driving SUVs.
> I don't see SUVs/light trucks zooming in and out of traffic anyway
> near as often as I see wannabe ganstas with small cars with loud
> exhausts, blue-tinted headlights and theater-sized stereos doing that.
> These mental midgets are constantly causing other drivers to move to
> avoid hitting them, which just isn't safe.
> In all honesty, I just don't see that many SUV/light trucks doing
> that.

Move to Atlanta, you'll see lots of both doing that.

 

"Bill Funk" <bfunk33@qwest.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:50:48 -0700, Lisa Horton <Lisa@lisahorton.net>
> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> But that applies to drivers of *ALL* classes of vehicles, not just
> >> SUVs.
> >
> >Quite true of course. But a moron in an econobox represents a much
> >smaller danger than a moron in a behemoth.
> >
> >Lisa
>
> On an individual basis, maybe.
> It's my observation that there are far more morons driving vehicles
> smaller than SUVs out there than those driving SUVs.
> I don't see SUVs/light trucks zooming in and out of traffic anyway
> near as often as I see wannabe ganstas with small cars with loud
> exhausts, blue-tinted headlights and theater-sized stereos doing that.
> These mental midgets are constantly causing other drivers to move to
> avoid hitting them, which just isn't safe.
> In all honesty, I just don't see that many SUV/light trucks doing
> that.

Move to Atlanta, you'll see lots of both doing that.

 

If you had the audacity to disagree with him you sure did.

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
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> Did I insult you Lloyd ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
> news:bn3fu9$ipg$1@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> : In article <KwXkb.760$qE5.7107783@news-text.cableinet.net>,
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
> : >Godwin's law - proposed addendum:
> : >
> : >"unfavourable reference to Saddaam Hussein or Bin Laden shall be
treated
> in
> : >the same manner as if it were a reference to Hitler."
> :
> : Parker's law -- insult me and liberals, don't whine about getting
insulted
> : back. Stones, glass houses, and all that.
> :
> : >
>
>

 

If you had the audacity to disagree with him you sure did.

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
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> Did I insult you Lloyd ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
> news:bn3fu9$ipg$1@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> : In article <KwXkb.760$qE5.7107783@news-text.cableinet.net>,
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
> : >Godwin's law - proposed addendum:
> : >
> : >"unfavourable reference to Saddaam Hussein or Bin Laden shall be
treated
> in
> : >the same manner as if it were a reference to Hitler."
> :
> : Parker's law -- insult me and liberals, don't whine about getting
insulted
> : back. Stones, glass houses, and all that.
> :
> : >
>
>

 

If you had the audacity to disagree with him you sure did.

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
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> Did I insult you Lloyd ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
> news:bn3fu9$ipg$1@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> : In article <KwXkb.760$qE5.7107783@news-text.cableinet.net>,
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
> : >Godwin's law - proposed addendum:
> : >
> : >"unfavourable reference to Saddaam Hussein or Bin Laden shall be
treated
> in
> : >the same manner as if it were a reference to Hitler."
> :
> : Parker's law -- insult me and liberals, don't whine about getting
insulted
> : back. Stones, glass houses, and all that.
> :
> : >
>
>

 

Liberal? No. He's an Ultra Liberal.




"Joe" <jo_ratner@NOSPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Lloyd,
> Are you a Lliberal?
> LLOL
>
> "Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
> news:bn1eq2$d15$2@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> > In article <gcc8pv89e67ac5f9qmmmfesoqbih6vd168@4ax.com>,
> > Bill Funk <bfunk33@qwest.net> wrote:
> > >On Mon, 20 Oct 03 11:33:12 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >>>When CAFE standards were dreampt up, it was thought that trucks were
> not a
> > >>>significant part of the automotive population, trucks were used for
> work,
> > >>>not play.
> > >>
> > >>And we should have adjusted CAFE for trucks as they started being used
> as
> > cars
> > >>are used.
> > >
> > >And what would the buyers have done then?
> > >Gone to >8000lb trucks?
> > >
> > >You don't seem to want to let others do what they see as needed,
> >
> > No, there always have to be limitations, for the good of society.
> >
> > >instead wanting to decide for everyone what they should have.
> > >Why should you get to do that?
> > >Maybe you should look into moving to China or Cuba, where your talents
> > >may actually be in demand. They are really into deciding how the
> > >people should live there.
> > >
> > So you'd let people drive vehicles that pollute?
>
>

 

Liberal? No. He's an Ultra Liberal.




"Joe" <jo_ratner@NOSPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Lloyd,
> Are you a Lliberal?
> LLOL
>
> "Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
> news:bn1eq2$d15$2@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> > In article <gcc8pv89e67ac5f9qmmmfesoqbih6vd168@4ax.com>,
> > Bill Funk <bfunk33@qwest.net> wrote:
> > >On Mon, 20 Oct 03 11:33:12 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >>>When CAFE standards were dreampt up, it was thought that trucks were
> not a
> > >>>significant part of the automotive population, trucks were used for
> work,
> > >>>not play.
> > >>
> > >>And we should have adjusted CAFE for trucks as they started being used
> as
> > cars
> > >>are used.
> > >
> > >And what would the buyers have done then?
> > >Gone to >8000lb trucks?
> > >
> > >You don't seem to want to let others do what they see as needed,
> >
> > No, there always have to be limitations, for the good of society.
> >
> > >instead wanting to decide for everyone what they should have.
> > >Why should you get to do that?
> > >Maybe you should look into moving to China or Cuba, where your talents
> > >may actually be in demand. They are really into deciding how the
> > >people should live there.
> > >
> > So you'd let people drive vehicles that pollute?
>
>

 

Liberal? No. He's an Ultra Liberal.




"Joe" <jo_ratner@NOSPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Lloyd,
> Are you a Lliberal?
> LLOL
>
> "Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
> news:bn1eq2$d15$2@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> > In article <gcc8pv89e67ac5f9qmmmfesoqbih6vd168@4ax.com>,
> > Bill Funk <bfunk33@qwest.net> wrote:
> > >On Mon, 20 Oct 03 11:33:12 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >>>When CAFE standards were dreampt up, it was thought that trucks were
> not a
> > >>>significant part of the automotive population, trucks were used for
> work,
> > >>>not play.
> > >>
> > >>And we should have adjusted CAFE for trucks as they started being used
> as
> > cars
> > >>are used.
> > >
> > >And what would the buyers have done then?
> > >Gone to >8000lb trucks?
> > >
> > >You don't seem to want to let others do what they see as needed,
> >
> > No, there always have to be limitations, for the good of society.
> >
> > >instead wanting to decide for everyone what they should have.
> > >Why should you get to do that?
> > >Maybe you should look into moving to China or Cuba, where your talents
> > >may actually be in demand. They are really into deciding how the
> > >people should live there.
> > >
> > So you'd let people drive vehicles that pollute?
>
>