I gather that the diesel fuel available in the US is still the old-style
sulfurous stuff, which would preclude many/all modern diesel engines.

DAS
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> Plenty decent that runs on diesel, they're just not released in the US
cause
> petrol is so cheap and people don't buy em.
>
> rhys
>
> "Matthew Russotto" <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
> news:2tqdnWdatcOAYg6iRTvUrg@speakeasy.net...
> > In article <MPG.19fbbdcbbbd459b8989e0b@news.eastlink.ca>,
> > Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > >> >>
> > >> >CAFE is a result of the enviro-wackos.
> > >> >
> > >> Yeah, bring back carburetors, 4-speed manuals, drum brakes, and all
the
> other
> > >> 60s crap.
> > >>
> > >> CAFE is one reason we get cars like the M3, E55, S4, etc.
> > >>
> > >
> > >And don't get anything decent that runs on diesel.
> >
> > There is nothing decent that runs on diesel. By definition.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
> > "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
> > of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit
> of
> > a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.
>
>

 

I gather that the diesel fuel available in the US is still the old-style
sulfurous stuff, which would preclude many/all modern diesel engines.

DAS
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> Plenty decent that runs on diesel, they're just not released in the US
cause
> petrol is so cheap and people don't buy em.
>
> rhys
>
> "Matthew Russotto" <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
> news:2tqdnWdatcOAYg6iRTvUrg@speakeasy.net...
> > In article <MPG.19fbbdcbbbd459b8989e0b@news.eastlink.ca>,
> > Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > >> >>
> > >> >CAFE is a result of the enviro-wackos.
> > >> >
> > >> Yeah, bring back carburetors, 4-speed manuals, drum brakes, and all
the
> other
> > >> 60s crap.
> > >>
> > >> CAFE is one reason we get cars like the M3, E55, S4, etc.
> > >>
> > >
> > >And don't get anything decent that runs on diesel.
> >
> > There is nothing decent that runs on diesel. By definition.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
> > "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
> > of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit
> of
> > a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.
>
>

 

I gather that the diesel fuel available in the US is still the old-style
sulfurous stuff, which would preclude many/all modern diesel engines.

DAS
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> Plenty decent that runs on diesel, they're just not released in the US
cause
> petrol is so cheap and people don't buy em.
>
> rhys
>
> "Matthew Russotto" <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
> news:2tqdnWdatcOAYg6iRTvUrg@speakeasy.net...
> > In article <MPG.19fbbdcbbbd459b8989e0b@news.eastlink.ca>,
> > Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > >> >>
> > >> >CAFE is a result of the enviro-wackos.
> > >> >
> > >> Yeah, bring back carburetors, 4-speed manuals, drum brakes, and all
the
> other
> > >> 60s crap.
> > >>
> > >> CAFE is one reason we get cars like the M3, E55, S4, etc.
> > >>
> > >
> > >And don't get anything decent that runs on diesel.
> >
> > There is nothing decent that runs on diesel. By definition.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
> > "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
> > of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit
> of
> > a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.
>
>

 

On Mon, 20 Oct 03 15:59:11 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>In article <gcc8pv89e67ac5f9qmmmfesoqbih6vd168@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@qwest.net> wrote:
>>On Mon, 20 Oct 03 11:33:12 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>When CAFE standards were dreampt up, it was thought that trucks were not a
>>>>significant part of the automotive population, trucks were used for work,
>>>>not play.
>>>
>>>And we should have adjusted CAFE for trucks as they started being used as
>cars
>>>are used.
>>
>>And what would the buyers have done then?
>>Gone to >8000lb trucks?
>>
>>You don't seem to want to let others do what they see as needed,
>
>No, there always have to be limitations, for the good of society.

I think you mis-spelt "for the good of the children".
>
>>instead wanting to decide for everyone what they should have.
>>Why should you get to do that?
>>Maybe you should look into moving to China or Cuba, where your talents
>>may actually be in demand. They are really into deciding how the
>>people should live there.
>>
>So you'd let people drive vehicles that pollute?

My SUVs consistantly test far cleaner than the laws permit.
And I still get to drive what I want.
You want to end that, based on what *you* think is good for society.

 

On Mon, 20 Oct 03 15:59:11 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>In article <gcc8pv89e67ac5f9qmmmfesoqbih6vd168@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@qwest.net> wrote:
>>On Mon, 20 Oct 03 11:33:12 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>When CAFE standards were dreampt up, it was thought that trucks were not a
>>>>significant part of the automotive population, trucks were used for work,
>>>>not play.
>>>
>>>And we should have adjusted CAFE for trucks as they started being used as
>cars
>>>are used.
>>
>>And what would the buyers have done then?
>>Gone to >8000lb trucks?
>>
>>You don't seem to want to let others do what they see as needed,
>
>No, there always have to be limitations, for the good of society.

I think you mis-spelt "for the good of the children".
>
>>instead wanting to decide for everyone what they should have.
>>Why should you get to do that?
>>Maybe you should look into moving to China or Cuba, where your talents
>>may actually be in demand. They are really into deciding how the
>>people should live there.
>>
>So you'd let people drive vehicles that pollute?

My SUVs consistantly test far cleaner than the laws permit.
And I still get to drive what I want.
You want to end that, based on what *you* think is good for society.

 

On Mon, 20 Oct 03 15:59:11 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>In article <gcc8pv89e67ac5f9qmmmfesoqbih6vd168@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@qwest.net> wrote:
>>On Mon, 20 Oct 03 11:33:12 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>When CAFE standards were dreampt up, it was thought that trucks were not a
>>>>significant part of the automotive population, trucks were used for work,
>>>>not play.
>>>
>>>And we should have adjusted CAFE for trucks as they started being used as
>cars
>>>are used.
>>
>>And what would the buyers have done then?
>>Gone to >8000lb trucks?
>>
>>You don't seem to want to let others do what they see as needed,
>
>No, there always have to be limitations, for the good of society.

I think you mis-spelt "for the good of the children".
>
>>instead wanting to decide for everyone what they should have.
>>Why should you get to do that?
>>Maybe you should look into moving to China or Cuba, where your talents
>>may actually be in demand. They are really into deciding how the
>>people should live there.
>>
>So you'd let people drive vehicles that pollute?

My SUVs consistantly test far cleaner than the laws permit.
And I still get to drive what I want.
You want to end that, based on what *you* think is good for society.

 

Where are these built/sold?

DAS
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[...................................]>

> Lobby GM to build LHD versions of the Commodore, Berlina, or Calais sedans
> and stationwagons.
>
> rhys
>
>

 

Where are these built/sold?

DAS
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> Lobby GM to build LHD versions of the Commodore, Berlina, or Calais sedans
> and stationwagons.
>
> rhys
>
>

 

Where are these built/sold?

DAS
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[...................................]>

> Lobby GM to build LHD versions of the Commodore, Berlina, or Calais sedans
> and stationwagons.
>
> rhys
>
>

 

They need to carry their bales of hay from their Chelsea and Upper West Side
farms to the markets of Harrods and Bloomingdale's respectively....

DAS
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>
> But I would definitely argue that the majority of SUV owners who live IN
> THE MAJOR CITIES OF THE COUNTRY are in fact, vanity purchasers.
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