How is the new six speed transmission for Wrangler?
10-11-2005, 01:18 AM
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Re: How is the new six speed transmission for Wrangler?
We're talking about the factory: Getrag the ***** started in 1935.
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matthewf_boi@yahoo.com wrote:
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> Actually Ludwigsburg was founded in the early 1700's not 1935...
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matthewf_boi@yahoo.com wrote:
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> Actually Ludwigsburg was founded in the early 1700's not 1935...
10-11-2005, 01:18 AM
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Re: How is the new six speed transmission for Wrangler?
We're talking about the factory: Getrag the ***** started in 1935.
Sieg Heil!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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matthewf_boi@yahoo.com wrote:
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> Actually Ludwigsburg was founded in the early 1700's not 1935...
Sieg Heil!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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matthewf_boi@yahoo.com wrote:
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> Actually Ludwigsburg was founded in the early 1700's not 1935...
10-11-2005, 01:18 AM
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Re: How is the new six speed transmission for Wrangler?
We're talking about the factory: Getrag the ***** started in 1935.
Sieg Heil!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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matthewf_boi@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Actually Ludwigsburg was founded in the early 1700's not 1935...
Sieg Heil!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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matthewf_boi@yahoo.com wrote:
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> Actually Ludwigsburg was founded in the early 1700's not 1935...
10-11-2005, 05:27 AM
#44
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Re: How is the new six speed transmission for Wrangler?
It's a "Utility Vehicle", not a sports car. Imho, durability and
reliability are more important than a steep top gear for overdrive cruising,
and five or six smooth shifts to get you there. But as is obvious, I do not
work for any marketing or engineering department.
Earle
"Jeff White" <jwhite08@nospam.rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:VhB2f.33979$Xl2.14488@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> To quote an article in the November issue of HOTROD magazine, about the
new
> modular GM six-speed auto that is coming out this fall,
>
> "The more gears in the transmission, the wider the potential ratio range
> from First to the top gear can be without causing the engine rpm to drop
too
> low between shifts. The wider the transmission's ratio range, the easier
it
> is to combine a low First gear to launch the car with a steep top gear for
> overdrive cruising. GM engineers estimates that the wide ratio will help
to
> reduce the 0-60 times by as much as 7%.
>
> BMW and Mercedes already offer a seven speed auto (and soon an eight)
to
> keep the relatively low torque, overhead cammed engines in the fat part of
> their powerbands."
>
> It is an interesting read.
>
> "69strat" <budda66f@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1128957791.840012.234840@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >I have had five speed wranglers. What's the six speed for? More top
> > end or a lower crawl?
> >
> > I have 31's and 3.73. Fifth is good for highway but not a lot of top
> > end with that.
> >
>
>
>
reliability are more important than a steep top gear for overdrive cruising,
and five or six smooth shifts to get you there. But as is obvious, I do not
work for any marketing or engineering department.
Earle
"Jeff White" <jwhite08@nospam.rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:VhB2f.33979$Xl2.14488@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> To quote an article in the November issue of HOTROD magazine, about the
new
> modular GM six-speed auto that is coming out this fall,
>
> "The more gears in the transmission, the wider the potential ratio range
> from First to the top gear can be without causing the engine rpm to drop
too
> low between shifts. The wider the transmission's ratio range, the easier
it
> is to combine a low First gear to launch the car with a steep top gear for
> overdrive cruising. GM engineers estimates that the wide ratio will help
to
> reduce the 0-60 times by as much as 7%.
>
> BMW and Mercedes already offer a seven speed auto (and soon an eight)
to
> keep the relatively low torque, overhead cammed engines in the fat part of
> their powerbands."
>
> It is an interesting read.
>
> "69strat" <budda66f@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1128957791.840012.234840@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >I have had five speed wranglers. What's the six speed for? More top
> > end or a lower crawl?
> >
> > I have 31's and 3.73. Fifth is good for highway but not a lot of top
> > end with that.
> >
>
>
>
10-11-2005, 05:27 AM
#45
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Re: How is the new six speed transmission for Wrangler?
It's a "Utility Vehicle", not a sports car. Imho, durability and
reliability are more important than a steep top gear for overdrive cruising,
and five or six smooth shifts to get you there. But as is obvious, I do not
work for any marketing or engineering department.
Earle
"Jeff White" <jwhite08@nospam.rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:VhB2f.33979$Xl2.14488@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> To quote an article in the November issue of HOTROD magazine, about the
new
> modular GM six-speed auto that is coming out this fall,
>
> "The more gears in the transmission, the wider the potential ratio range
> from First to the top gear can be without causing the engine rpm to drop
too
> low between shifts. The wider the transmission's ratio range, the easier
it
> is to combine a low First gear to launch the car with a steep top gear for
> overdrive cruising. GM engineers estimates that the wide ratio will help
to
> reduce the 0-60 times by as much as 7%.
>
> BMW and Mercedes already offer a seven speed auto (and soon an eight)
to
> keep the relatively low torque, overhead cammed engines in the fat part of
> their powerbands."
>
> It is an interesting read.
>
> "69strat" <budda66f@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1128957791.840012.234840@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >I have had five speed wranglers. What's the six speed for? More top
> > end or a lower crawl?
> >
> > I have 31's and 3.73. Fifth is good for highway but not a lot of top
> > end with that.
> >
>
>
>
reliability are more important than a steep top gear for overdrive cruising,
and five or six smooth shifts to get you there. But as is obvious, I do not
work for any marketing or engineering department.
Earle
"Jeff White" <jwhite08@nospam.rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:VhB2f.33979$Xl2.14488@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> To quote an article in the November issue of HOTROD magazine, about the
new
> modular GM six-speed auto that is coming out this fall,
>
> "The more gears in the transmission, the wider the potential ratio range
> from First to the top gear can be without causing the engine rpm to drop
too
> low between shifts. The wider the transmission's ratio range, the easier
it
> is to combine a low First gear to launch the car with a steep top gear for
> overdrive cruising. GM engineers estimates that the wide ratio will help
to
> reduce the 0-60 times by as much as 7%.
>
> BMW and Mercedes already offer a seven speed auto (and soon an eight)
to
> keep the relatively low torque, overhead cammed engines in the fat part of
> their powerbands."
>
> It is an interesting read.
>
> "69strat" <budda66f@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1128957791.840012.234840@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >I have had five speed wranglers. What's the six speed for? More top
> > end or a lower crawl?
> >
> > I have 31's and 3.73. Fifth is good for highway but not a lot of top
> > end with that.
> >
>
>
>
10-11-2005, 05:27 AM
#46
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Re: How is the new six speed transmission for Wrangler?
It's a "Utility Vehicle", not a sports car. Imho, durability and
reliability are more important than a steep top gear for overdrive cruising,
and five or six smooth shifts to get you there. But as is obvious, I do not
work for any marketing or engineering department.
Earle
"Jeff White" <jwhite08@nospam.rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:VhB2f.33979$Xl2.14488@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> To quote an article in the November issue of HOTROD magazine, about the
new
> modular GM six-speed auto that is coming out this fall,
>
> "The more gears in the transmission, the wider the potential ratio range
> from First to the top gear can be without causing the engine rpm to drop
too
> low between shifts. The wider the transmission's ratio range, the easier
it
> is to combine a low First gear to launch the car with a steep top gear for
> overdrive cruising. GM engineers estimates that the wide ratio will help
to
> reduce the 0-60 times by as much as 7%.
>
> BMW and Mercedes already offer a seven speed auto (and soon an eight)
to
> keep the relatively low torque, overhead cammed engines in the fat part of
> their powerbands."
>
> It is an interesting read.
>
> "69strat" <budda66f@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1128957791.840012.234840@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >I have had five speed wranglers. What's the six speed for? More top
> > end or a lower crawl?
> >
> > I have 31's and 3.73. Fifth is good for highway but not a lot of top
> > end with that.
> >
>
>
>
reliability are more important than a steep top gear for overdrive cruising,
and five or six smooth shifts to get you there. But as is obvious, I do not
work for any marketing or engineering department.
Earle
"Jeff White" <jwhite08@nospam.rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:VhB2f.33979$Xl2.14488@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> To quote an article in the November issue of HOTROD magazine, about the
new
> modular GM six-speed auto that is coming out this fall,
>
> "The more gears in the transmission, the wider the potential ratio range
> from First to the top gear can be without causing the engine rpm to drop
too
> low between shifts. The wider the transmission's ratio range, the easier
it
> is to combine a low First gear to launch the car with a steep top gear for
> overdrive cruising. GM engineers estimates that the wide ratio will help
to
> reduce the 0-60 times by as much as 7%.
>
> BMW and Mercedes already offer a seven speed auto (and soon an eight)
to
> keep the relatively low torque, overhead cammed engines in the fat part of
> their powerbands."
>
> It is an interesting read.
>
> "69strat" <budda66f@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1128957791.840012.234840@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >I have had five speed wranglers. What's the six speed for? More top
> > end or a lower crawl?
> >
> > I have 31's and 3.73. Fifth is good for highway but not a lot of top
> > end with that.
> >
>
>
>
10-11-2005, 06:52 AM
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Re: How is the new six speed transmission for Wrangler?
It is beginning to sound like a truck transmission... Ya know a standard "H"
pattern with a "W" in the middle, and a "T" on the end.
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"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> wrote in message
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> It's a "Utility Vehicle", not a sports car. Imho, durability and
> reliability are more important than a steep top gear for overdrive
> cruising,
> and five or six smooth shifts to get you there. But as is obvious, I do
> not
> work for any marketing or engineering department.
>
> Earle
>
> "Jeff White" <jwhite08@nospam.rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:VhB2f.33979$Xl2.14488@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>> To quote an article in the November issue of HOTROD magazine, about the
> new
>> modular GM six-speed auto that is coming out this fall,
>>
>> "The more gears in the transmission, the wider the potential ratio range
>> from First to the top gear can be without causing the engine rpm to drop
> too
>> low between shifts. The wider the transmission's ratio range, the easier
> it
>> is to combine a low First gear to launch the car with a steep top gear
>> for
>> overdrive cruising. GM engineers estimates that the wide ratio will help
> to
>> reduce the 0-60 times by as much as 7%.
>>
>> BMW and Mercedes already offer a seven speed auto (and soon an eight)
> to
>> keep the relatively low torque, overhead cammed engines in the fat part
>> of
>> their powerbands."
>>
>> It is an interesting read.
>>
>> "69strat" <budda66f@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1128957791.840012.234840@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> >I have had five speed wranglers. What's the six speed for? More top
>> > end or a lower crawl?
>> >
>> > I have 31's and 3.73. Fifth is good for highway but not a lot of top
>> > end with that.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
pattern with a "W" in the middle, and a "T" on the end.
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2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
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..
"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:434b85af$1_5@alt.athenanews.com...
> It's a "Utility Vehicle", not a sports car. Imho, durability and
> reliability are more important than a steep top gear for overdrive
> cruising,
> and five or six smooth shifts to get you there. But as is obvious, I do
> not
> work for any marketing or engineering department.
>
> Earle
>
> "Jeff White" <jwhite08@nospam.rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:VhB2f.33979$Xl2.14488@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>> To quote an article in the November issue of HOTROD magazine, about the
> new
>> modular GM six-speed auto that is coming out this fall,
>>
>> "The more gears in the transmission, the wider the potential ratio range
>> from First to the top gear can be without causing the engine rpm to drop
> too
>> low between shifts. The wider the transmission's ratio range, the easier
> it
>> is to combine a low First gear to launch the car with a steep top gear
>> for
>> overdrive cruising. GM engineers estimates that the wide ratio will help
> to
>> reduce the 0-60 times by as much as 7%.
>>
>> BMW and Mercedes already offer a seven speed auto (and soon an eight)
> to
>> keep the relatively low torque, overhead cammed engines in the fat part
>> of
>> their powerbands."
>>
>> It is an interesting read.
>>
>> "69strat" <budda66f@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1128957791.840012.234840@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> >I have had five speed wranglers. What's the six speed for? More top
>> > end or a lower crawl?
>> >
>> > I have 31's and 3.73. Fifth is good for highway but not a lot of top
>> > end with that.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
10-11-2005, 06:52 AM
#48
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Re: How is the new six speed transmission for Wrangler?
It is beginning to sound like a truck transmission... Ya know a standard "H"
pattern with a "W" in the middle, and a "T" on the end.
--
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2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
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..
"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:434b85af$1_5@alt.athenanews.com...
> It's a "Utility Vehicle", not a sports car. Imho, durability and
> reliability are more important than a steep top gear for overdrive
> cruising,
> and five or six smooth shifts to get you there. But as is obvious, I do
> not
> work for any marketing or engineering department.
>
> Earle
>
> "Jeff White" <jwhite08@nospam.rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:VhB2f.33979$Xl2.14488@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>> To quote an article in the November issue of HOTROD magazine, about the
> new
>> modular GM six-speed auto that is coming out this fall,
>>
>> "The more gears in the transmission, the wider the potential ratio range
>> from First to the top gear can be without causing the engine rpm to drop
> too
>> low between shifts. The wider the transmission's ratio range, the easier
> it
>> is to combine a low First gear to launch the car with a steep top gear
>> for
>> overdrive cruising. GM engineers estimates that the wide ratio will help
> to
>> reduce the 0-60 times by as much as 7%.
>>
>> BMW and Mercedes already offer a seven speed auto (and soon an eight)
> to
>> keep the relatively low torque, overhead cammed engines in the fat part
>> of
>> their powerbands."
>>
>> It is an interesting read.
>>
>> "69strat" <budda66f@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1128957791.840012.234840@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> >I have had five speed wranglers. What's the six speed for? More top
>> > end or a lower crawl?
>> >
>> > I have 31's and 3.73. Fifth is good for highway but not a lot of top
>> > end with that.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
pattern with a "W" in the middle, and a "T" on the end.
--
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2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:434b85af$1_5@alt.athenanews.com...
> It's a "Utility Vehicle", not a sports car. Imho, durability and
> reliability are more important than a steep top gear for overdrive
> cruising,
> and five or six smooth shifts to get you there. But as is obvious, I do
> not
> work for any marketing or engineering department.
>
> Earle
>
> "Jeff White" <jwhite08@nospam.rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:VhB2f.33979$Xl2.14488@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>> To quote an article in the November issue of HOTROD magazine, about the
> new
>> modular GM six-speed auto that is coming out this fall,
>>
>> "The more gears in the transmission, the wider the potential ratio range
>> from First to the top gear can be without causing the engine rpm to drop
> too
>> low between shifts. The wider the transmission's ratio range, the easier
> it
>> is to combine a low First gear to launch the car with a steep top gear
>> for
>> overdrive cruising. GM engineers estimates that the wide ratio will help
> to
>> reduce the 0-60 times by as much as 7%.
>>
>> BMW and Mercedes already offer a seven speed auto (and soon an eight)
> to
>> keep the relatively low torque, overhead cammed engines in the fat part
>> of
>> their powerbands."
>>
>> It is an interesting read.
>>
>> "69strat" <budda66f@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1128957791.840012.234840@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> >I have had five speed wranglers. What's the six speed for? More top
>> > end or a lower crawl?
>> >
>> > I have 31's and 3.73. Fifth is good for highway but not a lot of top
>> > end with that.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
10-11-2005, 06:52 AM
#49
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Re: How is the new six speed transmission for Wrangler?
It is beginning to sound like a truck transmission... Ya know a standard "H"
pattern with a "W" in the middle, and a "T" on the end.
--
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2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
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..
"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:434b85af$1_5@alt.athenanews.com...
> It's a "Utility Vehicle", not a sports car. Imho, durability and
> reliability are more important than a steep top gear for overdrive
> cruising,
> and five or six smooth shifts to get you there. But as is obvious, I do
> not
> work for any marketing or engineering department.
>
> Earle
>
> "Jeff White" <jwhite08@nospam.rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:VhB2f.33979$Xl2.14488@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>> To quote an article in the November issue of HOTROD magazine, about the
> new
>> modular GM six-speed auto that is coming out this fall,
>>
>> "The more gears in the transmission, the wider the potential ratio range
>> from First to the top gear can be without causing the engine rpm to drop
> too
>> low between shifts. The wider the transmission's ratio range, the easier
> it
>> is to combine a low First gear to launch the car with a steep top gear
>> for
>> overdrive cruising. GM engineers estimates that the wide ratio will help
> to
>> reduce the 0-60 times by as much as 7%.
>>
>> BMW and Mercedes already offer a seven speed auto (and soon an eight)
> to
>> keep the relatively low torque, overhead cammed engines in the fat part
>> of
>> their powerbands."
>>
>> It is an interesting read.
>>
>> "69strat" <budda66f@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1128957791.840012.234840@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> >I have had five speed wranglers. What's the six speed for? More top
>> > end or a lower crawl?
>> >
>> > I have 31's and 3.73. Fifth is good for highway but not a lot of top
>> > end with that.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
pattern with a "W" in the middle, and a "T" on the end.
--
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2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:434b85af$1_5@alt.athenanews.com...
> It's a "Utility Vehicle", not a sports car. Imho, durability and
> reliability are more important than a steep top gear for overdrive
> cruising,
> and five or six smooth shifts to get you there. But as is obvious, I do
> not
> work for any marketing or engineering department.
>
> Earle
>
> "Jeff White" <jwhite08@nospam.rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:VhB2f.33979$Xl2.14488@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>> To quote an article in the November issue of HOTROD magazine, about the
> new
>> modular GM six-speed auto that is coming out this fall,
>>
>> "The more gears in the transmission, the wider the potential ratio range
>> from First to the top gear can be without causing the engine rpm to drop
> too
>> low between shifts. The wider the transmission's ratio range, the easier
> it
>> is to combine a low First gear to launch the car with a steep top gear
>> for
>> overdrive cruising. GM engineers estimates that the wide ratio will help
> to
>> reduce the 0-60 times by as much as 7%.
>>
>> BMW and Mercedes already offer a seven speed auto (and soon an eight)
> to
>> keep the relatively low torque, overhead cammed engines in the fat part
>> of
>> their powerbands."
>>
>> It is an interesting read.
>>
>> "69strat" <budda66f@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1128957791.840012.234840@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> >I have had five speed wranglers. What's the six speed for? More top
>> > end or a lower crawl?
>> >
>> > I have 31's and 3.73. Fifth is good for highway but not a lot of top
>> > end with that.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
10-12-2005, 10:59 AM
#50
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Re: How is the new six speed transmission for Wrangler?
I should have included more of the article. The "relatively low torque"
statement was comparing the low-end torque of the european engines with the
American V-8s.
The Z-06 Corvette specs are 503hp @ 6300 rpm and 637lb.ft. @ 4800 rpm.
The Dodge Magnum with the hemi specs at 340hp @ 5000 rpm and 390lb.ft. @
4000rpm.
The Cadillac CTS has 400hp @ 6000rpm and 395lb.ft. @ 4400rpm.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
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>I think the 7 speed is only available in the BMW M5 and M6, which have
>500hp
> @ 7750rpm
> and 383lb ft at 6100 ; I bet that engine gives a reasonable torque figure
> even at lower revs.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Jeff White" <jwhite08@nospam.rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:VhB2f.33979$Xl2.14488@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>
>> BMW and Mercedes already offer a seven speed auto (and soon an eight)
> to
>> keep the relatively low torque, overhead cammed engines in the fat part
>> of
>> their powerbands."
>
>
statement was comparing the low-end torque of the european engines with the
American V-8s.
The Z-06 Corvette specs are 503hp @ 6300 rpm and 637lb.ft. @ 4800 rpm.
The Dodge Magnum with the hemi specs at 340hp @ 5000 rpm and 390lb.ft. @
4000rpm.
The Cadillac CTS has 400hp @ 6000rpm and 395lb.ft. @ 4400rpm.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
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>I think the 7 speed is only available in the BMW M5 and M6, which have
>500hp
> @ 7750rpm
> and 383lb ft at 6100 ; I bet that engine gives a reasonable torque figure
> even at lower revs.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Jeff White" <jwhite08@nospam.rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
>> BMW and Mercedes already offer a seven speed auto (and soon an eight)
> to
>> keep the relatively low torque, overhead cammed engines in the fat part
>> of
>> their powerbands."
>
>