How do I Keep my brake lines cool ?
01-30-2004, 08:28 PM
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Re: How do I Keep my brake lines cool ?
How many drivers flush their brake fluid annually?
Tom
"Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
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> Actually, there is no chemical interaction, they won't intermix at all.
> Changing to DOT 5 properly requires a complete overhaul of the brake
> hydraulic system and flushing the lines with alcohol, MEK etc. Merely
> flushing the system out with 5 will leave small pockets of the original
DOT
> 3-4 which hold moisture and corrode.
> DOT 5 conversion eliminates the cause of most Hydraulic failures,
corrosion
> pitting in the bores. I run it in my vehicles, and in all that I have
> restored that use hydraulic brakes. Like any other brake fluid, it should
be
> flushed annually, or more often if you play in a lot of mud or water. It
> seems perfect for a vehicle that crosses creeks. DOT 5 was formulated
> specifically for racing and extreme temperatures.
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
>
>
Tom
"Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
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> Actually, there is no chemical interaction, they won't intermix at all.
> Changing to DOT 5 properly requires a complete overhaul of the brake
> hydraulic system and flushing the lines with alcohol, MEK etc. Merely
> flushing the system out with 5 will leave small pockets of the original
DOT
> 3-4 which hold moisture and corrode.
> DOT 5 conversion eliminates the cause of most Hydraulic failures,
corrosion
> pitting in the bores. I run it in my vehicles, and in all that I have
> restored that use hydraulic brakes. Like any other brake fluid, it should
be
> flushed annually, or more often if you play in a lot of mud or water. It
> seems perfect for a vehicle that crosses creeks. DOT 5 was formulated
> specifically for racing and extreme temperatures.
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
>
>
01-30-2004, 08:28 PM
#22
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Re: How do I Keep my brake lines cool ?
How many drivers flush their brake fluid annually?
Tom
"Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:bvesua$qq74m$1@ID-87669.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Actually, there is no chemical interaction, they won't intermix at all.
> Changing to DOT 5 properly requires a complete overhaul of the brake
> hydraulic system and flushing the lines with alcohol, MEK etc. Merely
> flushing the system out with 5 will leave small pockets of the original
DOT
> 3-4 which hold moisture and corrode.
> DOT 5 conversion eliminates the cause of most Hydraulic failures,
corrosion
> pitting in the bores. I run it in my vehicles, and in all that I have
> restored that use hydraulic brakes. Like any other brake fluid, it should
be
> flushed annually, or more often if you play in a lot of mud or water. It
> seems perfect for a vehicle that crosses creeks. DOT 5 was formulated
> specifically for racing and extreme temperatures.
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
>
>
Tom
"Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:bvesua$qq74m$1@ID-87669.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Actually, there is no chemical interaction, they won't intermix at all.
> Changing to DOT 5 properly requires a complete overhaul of the brake
> hydraulic system and flushing the lines with alcohol, MEK etc. Merely
> flushing the system out with 5 will leave small pockets of the original
DOT
> 3-4 which hold moisture and corrode.
> DOT 5 conversion eliminates the cause of most Hydraulic failures,
corrosion
> pitting in the bores. I run it in my vehicles, and in all that I have
> restored that use hydraulic brakes. Like any other brake fluid, it should
be
> flushed annually, or more often if you play in a lot of mud or water. It
> seems perfect for a vehicle that crosses creeks. DOT 5 was formulated
> specifically for racing and extreme temperatures.
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
>
>
01-30-2004, 08:48 PM
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NOW Brake Fluid and LONG... WAS How do I Keep my brake lines cool ?
Maybe it was the corrosion that I was told about, and hmmm I thought
corrosion was a chemical reaction. :-)
I have a friend who works for USPS as a vehicle technician in CA. He was
one of the techs that changed over the brake fluid systems over to DOT 5 and
also had to correct the damage that it did to the systems within the year of
the changeover. He laughed and said "good job security."
AFAIK The military uses DOT 5 more than most. <g>
Porsche Club of America http://www.pnwr.org/track/driver_ed/rules.asp does
not recommend DOT 5 and states "Silicone (DOT 5) is not recommended for
street or track use."
other sites to read:
http://www.h-e-l.co.uk/HEL_Performan...Doctor_FAQ.htm
Initially DOT 5 has a higher boiling point that DOT 3 and DOT
4.............but........
You really want to go here and read about a little water lowing the boiling
point more with DOT 5 than with either DOT 3 or DOT 4. 8^o
http://www.school-bus.org/World/US/S...ce/Vehicle.htm
READ HERE TOO: http://www.motorspot.com/motulin.html
Interview.... Motorspot talks with Mr. Dave Wolman of Motul USA
" I do not recommend silicone brake fluids at all. They are fine for a car
that is not pushed very hard. One nice thing about silicone is that if you
have a leak, it won't eat up the paint. On the other hand, when silicone
gets warm it starts to be compressible. It is one of the few fluids in the
world that is actually compressible as it gets hot. When you near what the
boiling point is of silicone brake fluid, it actually has become
compressible and you lose your brakes."
Now there may be a DOT 5.1 that might be compatible with DOT 3 and DOT 4,
but with a higher boiling point!
Most DOT 5 fluid has a higher temp rating than the typical DOT 4 fluid
you buy off-the-shelf. But maybe you can find 650+(?) DOT 4 in racing type
stores.
Be safe!
later,
dave
corrosion was a chemical reaction. :-)
I have a friend who works for USPS as a vehicle technician in CA. He was
one of the techs that changed over the brake fluid systems over to DOT 5 and
also had to correct the damage that it did to the systems within the year of
the changeover. He laughed and said "good job security."
AFAIK The military uses DOT 5 more than most. <g>
Porsche Club of America http://www.pnwr.org/track/driver_ed/rules.asp does
not recommend DOT 5 and states "Silicone (DOT 5) is not recommended for
street or track use."
other sites to read:
http://www.h-e-l.co.uk/HEL_Performan...Doctor_FAQ.htm
Initially DOT 5 has a higher boiling point that DOT 3 and DOT
4.............but........
You really want to go here and read about a little water lowing the boiling
point more with DOT 5 than with either DOT 3 or DOT 4. 8^o
http://www.school-bus.org/World/US/S...ce/Vehicle.htm
READ HERE TOO: http://www.motorspot.com/motulin.html
Interview.... Motorspot talks with Mr. Dave Wolman of Motul USA
" I do not recommend silicone brake fluids at all. They are fine for a car
that is not pushed very hard. One nice thing about silicone is that if you
have a leak, it won't eat up the paint. On the other hand, when silicone
gets warm it starts to be compressible. It is one of the few fluids in the
world that is actually compressible as it gets hot. When you near what the
boiling point is of silicone brake fluid, it actually has become
compressible and you lose your brakes."
Now there may be a DOT 5.1 that might be compatible with DOT 3 and DOT 4,
but with a higher boiling point!
Most DOT 5 fluid has a higher temp rating than the typical DOT 4 fluid
you buy off-the-shelf. But maybe you can find 650+(?) DOT 4 in racing type
stores.
Be safe!
later,
dave
01-30-2004, 08:48 PM
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NOW Brake Fluid and LONG... WAS How do I Keep my brake lines cool ?
Maybe it was the corrosion that I was told about, and hmmm I thought
corrosion was a chemical reaction. :-)
I have a friend who works for USPS as a vehicle technician in CA. He was
one of the techs that changed over the brake fluid systems over to DOT 5 and
also had to correct the damage that it did to the systems within the year of
the changeover. He laughed and said "good job security."
AFAIK The military uses DOT 5 more than most. <g>
Porsche Club of America http://www.pnwr.org/track/driver_ed/rules.asp does
not recommend DOT 5 and states "Silicone (DOT 5) is not recommended for
street or track use."
other sites to read:
http://www.h-e-l.co.uk/HEL_Performan...Doctor_FAQ.htm
Initially DOT 5 has a higher boiling point that DOT 3 and DOT
4.............but........
You really want to go here and read about a little water lowing the boiling
point more with DOT 5 than with either DOT 3 or DOT 4. 8^o
http://www.school-bus.org/World/US/S...ce/Vehicle.htm
READ HERE TOO: http://www.motorspot.com/motulin.html
Interview.... Motorspot talks with Mr. Dave Wolman of Motul USA
" I do not recommend silicone brake fluids at all. They are fine for a car
that is not pushed very hard. One nice thing about silicone is that if you
have a leak, it won't eat up the paint. On the other hand, when silicone
gets warm it starts to be compressible. It is one of the few fluids in the
world that is actually compressible as it gets hot. When you near what the
boiling point is of silicone brake fluid, it actually has become
compressible and you lose your brakes."
Now there may be a DOT 5.1 that might be compatible with DOT 3 and DOT 4,
but with a higher boiling point!
Most DOT 5 fluid has a higher temp rating than the typical DOT 4 fluid
you buy off-the-shelf. But maybe you can find 650+(?) DOT 4 in racing type
stores.
Be safe!
later,
dave
corrosion was a chemical reaction. :-)
I have a friend who works for USPS as a vehicle technician in CA. He was
one of the techs that changed over the brake fluid systems over to DOT 5 and
also had to correct the damage that it did to the systems within the year of
the changeover. He laughed and said "good job security."
AFAIK The military uses DOT 5 more than most. <g>
Porsche Club of America http://www.pnwr.org/track/driver_ed/rules.asp does
not recommend DOT 5 and states "Silicone (DOT 5) is not recommended for
street or track use."
other sites to read:
http://www.h-e-l.co.uk/HEL_Performan...Doctor_FAQ.htm
Initially DOT 5 has a higher boiling point that DOT 3 and DOT
4.............but........
You really want to go here and read about a little water lowing the boiling
point more with DOT 5 than with either DOT 3 or DOT 4. 8^o
http://www.school-bus.org/World/US/S...ce/Vehicle.htm
READ HERE TOO: http://www.motorspot.com/motulin.html
Interview.... Motorspot talks with Mr. Dave Wolman of Motul USA
" I do not recommend silicone brake fluids at all. They are fine for a car
that is not pushed very hard. One nice thing about silicone is that if you
have a leak, it won't eat up the paint. On the other hand, when silicone
gets warm it starts to be compressible. It is one of the few fluids in the
world that is actually compressible as it gets hot. When you near what the
boiling point is of silicone brake fluid, it actually has become
compressible and you lose your brakes."
Now there may be a DOT 5.1 that might be compatible with DOT 3 and DOT 4,
but with a higher boiling point!
Most DOT 5 fluid has a higher temp rating than the typical DOT 4 fluid
you buy off-the-shelf. But maybe you can find 650+(?) DOT 4 in racing type
stores.
Be safe!
later,
dave
01-30-2004, 08:48 PM
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NOW Brake Fluid and LONG... WAS How do I Keep my brake lines cool ?
Maybe it was the corrosion that I was told about, and hmmm I thought
corrosion was a chemical reaction. :-)
I have a friend who works for USPS as a vehicle technician in CA. He was
one of the techs that changed over the brake fluid systems over to DOT 5 and
also had to correct the damage that it did to the systems within the year of
the changeover. He laughed and said "good job security."
AFAIK The military uses DOT 5 more than most. <g>
Porsche Club of America http://www.pnwr.org/track/driver_ed/rules.asp does
not recommend DOT 5 and states "Silicone (DOT 5) is not recommended for
street or track use."
other sites to read:
http://www.h-e-l.co.uk/HEL_Performan...Doctor_FAQ.htm
Initially DOT 5 has a higher boiling point that DOT 3 and DOT
4.............but........
You really want to go here and read about a little water lowing the boiling
point more with DOT 5 than with either DOT 3 or DOT 4. 8^o
http://www.school-bus.org/World/US/S...ce/Vehicle.htm
READ HERE TOO: http://www.motorspot.com/motulin.html
Interview.... Motorspot talks with Mr. Dave Wolman of Motul USA
" I do not recommend silicone brake fluids at all. They are fine for a car
that is not pushed very hard. One nice thing about silicone is that if you
have a leak, it won't eat up the paint. On the other hand, when silicone
gets warm it starts to be compressible. It is one of the few fluids in the
world that is actually compressible as it gets hot. When you near what the
boiling point is of silicone brake fluid, it actually has become
compressible and you lose your brakes."
Now there may be a DOT 5.1 that might be compatible with DOT 3 and DOT 4,
but with a higher boiling point!
Most DOT 5 fluid has a higher temp rating than the typical DOT 4 fluid
you buy off-the-shelf. But maybe you can find 650+(?) DOT 4 in racing type
stores.
Be safe!
later,
dave
corrosion was a chemical reaction. :-)
I have a friend who works for USPS as a vehicle technician in CA. He was
one of the techs that changed over the brake fluid systems over to DOT 5 and
also had to correct the damage that it did to the systems within the year of
the changeover. He laughed and said "good job security."
AFAIK The military uses DOT 5 more than most. <g>
Porsche Club of America http://www.pnwr.org/track/driver_ed/rules.asp does
not recommend DOT 5 and states "Silicone (DOT 5) is not recommended for
street or track use."
other sites to read:
http://www.h-e-l.co.uk/HEL_Performan...Doctor_FAQ.htm
Initially DOT 5 has a higher boiling point that DOT 3 and DOT
4.............but........
You really want to go here and read about a little water lowing the boiling
point more with DOT 5 than with either DOT 3 or DOT 4. 8^o
http://www.school-bus.org/World/US/S...ce/Vehicle.htm
READ HERE TOO: http://www.motorspot.com/motulin.html
Interview.... Motorspot talks with Mr. Dave Wolman of Motul USA
" I do not recommend silicone brake fluids at all. They are fine for a car
that is not pushed very hard. One nice thing about silicone is that if you
have a leak, it won't eat up the paint. On the other hand, when silicone
gets warm it starts to be compressible. It is one of the few fluids in the
world that is actually compressible as it gets hot. When you near what the
boiling point is of silicone brake fluid, it actually has become
compressible and you lose your brakes."
Now there may be a DOT 5.1 that might be compatible with DOT 3 and DOT 4,
but with a higher boiling point!
Most DOT 5 fluid has a higher temp rating than the typical DOT 4 fluid
you buy off-the-shelf. But maybe you can find 650+(?) DOT 4 in racing type
stores.
Be safe!
later,
dave
01-30-2004, 10:33 PM
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Re: How do I Keep my brake lines cool ?
"mabar" <mabar@NOSPAMgbronline.com> wrote in message
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> How many drivers flush their brake fluid annually?
>
> Tom
>
>
IIRC
In most manuals it states that flushing the brake fluid every two years is
recommended!
Some people actually follow the manufacturers recommendations.
One day or should I say one year I will flush mine too. lol
later,
dave AKA vwdoc1
01-30-2004, 10:33 PM
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Re: How do I Keep my brake lines cool ?
"mabar" <mabar@NOSPAMgbronline.com> wrote in message
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> How many drivers flush their brake fluid annually?
>
> Tom
>
>
IIRC
In most manuals it states that flushing the brake fluid every two years is
recommended!
Some people actually follow the manufacturers recommendations.
One day or should I say one year I will flush mine too. lol
later,
dave AKA vwdoc1
01-30-2004, 10:33 PM
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Re: How do I Keep my brake lines cool ?
"mabar" <mabar@NOSPAMgbronline.com> wrote in message
news:QZCdnZqfEtEHmYbdRVn-uw@gbronline.com...
> How many drivers flush their brake fluid annually?
>
> Tom
>
>
IIRC
In most manuals it states that flushing the brake fluid every two years is
recommended!
Some people actually follow the manufacturers recommendations.
One day or should I say one year I will flush mine too. lol
later,
dave AKA vwdoc1
01-30-2004, 11:45 PM
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Re: How do I Keep my brake lines cool ?
The Antilock Brake System is flushed every two years:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...=Google+Search
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mabar wrote:
>
> How many drivers flush their brake fluid annually?
>
> Tom
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mabar wrote:
>
> How many drivers flush their brake fluid annually?
>
> Tom
01-30-2004, 11:45 PM
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Re: How do I Keep my brake lines cool ?
The Antilock Brake System is flushed every two years:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...=Google+Search
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
mabar wrote:
>
> How many drivers flush their brake fluid annually?
>
> Tom
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...=Google+Search
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
mabar wrote:
>
> How many drivers flush their brake fluid annually?
>
> Tom