L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III

Hi Mike,
I don't think you would call the WJ shift linkage, Jeep worthy:
http://www.----------.com/WJshiftlever.pdf
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4200E3A5.BEDFEA43@sympatico.ca...
> Now you need to ask just 'how' this lever got bent?
>
> Do you have a snapped off tranny or engine mount? Did it hit
> something? High center on a stump?
>
> I have seen some really twisted up rigs off road and have never heard of
> the shift linkage being 'bent'.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> JEEPR wrote:
> >
> > thanks guys, it was $167 worth of bent lever to take out and
straightened
> > and re install. Pressed for time, she needs it to get to work, so could
not
> > afford down time, also just have the driveway no shelter and although
love
> > to tinker I prefer fairer weather. Once again thanks for all the input.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Matt
> > 0|||||||0
> > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:kO2dnVTjBuNaJGLcRVn-rg@ez2.net...
> > > Well, that's easy to fix.
> > >
> > > The select lever goes through the floor and connects to a shaft. As
you
> > push
> > > and pull the lever, it causes the shaft to slide in and out, selecting
the
> > > available options in the tcase. There is a bolt that attaches (clamps)
the
> > > lever to the shaft, the bolt is loose. The bolt can come loose, then
bind
> > on
> > > the shaft in the incorrect position. Move the selector until N is
> > selected,
> > > not indicated but actually selected. Then losen the bolt so it does
not
> > hold
> > > the lever to the shaft, and move the lever to the N position, then
> > retighten
> > > the bolt. Test and adjust as necessary.
> > >
> > > The bolt can be seen from underneath the vehicle, well, it can be seen
on
> > a
> > > Cherokee and a TJ, I am not certain about the Grand.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "JEEPR" <YJJPS@nospam@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:4CELd.4802$Ck1.853144@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > > > It now appears that the shifter is out of sequence, when selected to
2
> > hi
> > > > indicates part time, when selected part time indicates full time,
when
> > > > selected full time acts like neutral, when selected 4 lo indicates
part
> > > > time
> > > > how's that for weird
> > > >
> > > > Jeff thanks for your help tried the back up thing no joy, don't give
up
> > on
> > > > me if you got anymore hints drop them on me
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > > 0|||||||0
> > > > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > > > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:TISdnRUPo8jL4GPcRVn-jA@ez2.net...
> > > >> You are asking 2 questions here. It is OK to ask two questions, but
I
> > > > wanted
> > > >> you to be sure you understood that.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> 1st, it sounds like you are using 4WD on dry pavement, and the
drive
> > > >> train
> > > >> is binding up. This causes a hop or a wobble in the steering wheel
as
> > the
> > > >> tires try to slip on the ground to release the EXCESSIVE stress you
are
> > > >> putting on it. If you continue to use 4WD on hard pavement, you
WILL
> > > > destroy
> > > >> the tcase. It isn't a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN.
> > > >>
> > > >> 2nd, if the tcase and/or front axles is bound up, then it can
remain in
> > > > 4WD
> > > >> after you have selected 2WD. The way to get out of this bind is to
> > select
> > > >> 2WD (2HI), then go in Reverse for about 25 ft. If the front end is
> > still
> > > >> bound up, repeat Reverse. You might get it to drop out of the bind
if
> > you
> > > >> could find a place on dirt or gravel.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> WHAT IS HAPPENING is that the transfer case can not accomodate the
> > speed
> > > >> differences in the front and rear axles. Because of this
fundamental
> > > > truth,
> > > >> then there will be stress built up in the tcase. If the tires are
on
> > dirt
> > > > or
> > > >> gravel, the stress is released because the tires are slipping.
Because
> > > >> you
> > > >> are driving on the street, the stress can not be released easily
and
> > you
> > > >> feel the buckling and lurching that results from the tires slipping
on
> > > >> the
> > > >> pavement. The differentials (large bulb-shaped parts in the middle
of
> > the
> > > >> axles) accomodate speed differences from left to right. These
> > differences
> > > >
> > > >> come from the outside tire travelling further than the inside tire
> > during
> > > > a
> > > >> turn. The front and rear tires also travel different arcs in a
turn,
> > > >> therefore they also turn at different speeds. So, in 4WD, all four
> > tires
> > > > can
> > > >> turn at different speeds, this is especially true in the hard turns
> > that
> > > > you
> > > >> described in your symptoms. Not only do the left and right side
tires
> > go
> > > >> different speeds, but the front and rear tires go at different
speeds
> > as
> > > >> well. The tcase is not designed to accomodate the differences from
> > front
> > > > to
> > > >> rear, as the differentials are designed to do for right to left.
> > > >>
> > > >> The front axle is connected to the driveshaft via a slip joint kind
of
> > > >> arrangement inside the axle itself. When you select 4WD, either 4HI
or
> > > > 4LO,
> > > >> there is vacuum that is supplied via the transfer case to the front
> > axle.
> > > >> This vacuum activates a fork that moves the slip joint over splines
on
> > > >> the
> > > >> axle shaft. You are describing a symptom where the slip joint is
not
> > > >> releasing. A reason it is not is that the axle shafts are bound up,
and
> > > > you
> > > >> unbind them by going backwards. You do not need speed, in fact
speed is
> > > >> probably problematic for inducing the slip joint to release. You
could
> > > >> experiment with gently turning the steering wheel from side to
side.
> > This
> > > >> will cause the axle halves to go at slightly different speeds, and
the
> > > > slip
> > > >> joint can slip more easily.
> > > >>
> > > >> Your '88 YJ has the same limitations, by the way.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "JEEPR" <YJJPS@nospam@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > > >> news:uPfLd.1748$Ck1.334219@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > > >> > The old ladies 98 grand cherokee is hopping when making sharp rh
or
> > lh
> > > >> > turns. She had not use the 4wd for a while until the recent
snows.
> > > >> > Could it be possible that the 4wd is stuck on even though 2 hi
> > > >> > selected.
> > > >> > Has anyone else experienced this
> > > >> > What would be the cure.
> > > >> > Mike Romain I would value your input on this one.
> > > >> > Thanks to all for assistance.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Have a 88 yj myself and love the tinkering. Just want to make
sure
> > I'm
> > > > on
> > > >> > the right trac.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt
> > > >> > 0|||||||0
> > > >> > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >

L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III

Hi Mike,
I don't think you would call the WJ shift linkage, Jeep worthy:
http://www.----------.com/WJshiftlever.pdf
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4200E3A5.BEDFEA43@sympatico.ca...
> Now you need to ask just 'how' this lever got bent?
>
> Do you have a snapped off tranny or engine mount? Did it hit
> something? High center on a stump?
>
> I have seen some really twisted up rigs off road and have never heard of
> the shift linkage being 'bent'.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> JEEPR wrote:
> >
> > thanks guys, it was $167 worth of bent lever to take out and
straightened
> > and re install. Pressed for time, she needs it to get to work, so could
not
> > afford down time, also just have the driveway no shelter and although
love
> > to tinker I prefer fairer weather. Once again thanks for all the input.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Matt
> > 0|||||||0
> > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:kO2dnVTjBuNaJGLcRVn-rg@ez2.net...
> > > Well, that's easy to fix.
> > >
> > > The select lever goes through the floor and connects to a shaft. As
you
> > push
> > > and pull the lever, it causes the shaft to slide in and out, selecting
the
> > > available options in the tcase. There is a bolt that attaches (clamps)
the
> > > lever to the shaft, the bolt is loose. The bolt can come loose, then
bind
> > on
> > > the shaft in the incorrect position. Move the selector until N is
> > selected,
> > > not indicated but actually selected. Then losen the bolt so it does
not
> > hold
> > > the lever to the shaft, and move the lever to the N position, then
> > retighten
> > > the bolt. Test and adjust as necessary.
> > >
> > > The bolt can be seen from underneath the vehicle, well, it can be seen
on
> > a
> > > Cherokee and a TJ, I am not certain about the Grand.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "JEEPR" <YJJPS@nospam@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:4CELd.4802$Ck1.853144@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > > > It now appears that the shifter is out of sequence, when selected to
2
> > hi
> > > > indicates part time, when selected part time indicates full time,
when
> > > > selected full time acts like neutral, when selected 4 lo indicates
part
> > > > time
> > > > how's that for weird
> > > >
> > > > Jeff thanks for your help tried the back up thing no joy, don't give
up
> > on
> > > > me if you got anymore hints drop them on me
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > > 0|||||||0
> > > > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > > > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:TISdnRUPo8jL4GPcRVn-jA@ez2.net...
> > > >> You are asking 2 questions here. It is OK to ask two questions, but
I
> > > > wanted
> > > >> you to be sure you understood that.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> 1st, it sounds like you are using 4WD on dry pavement, and the
drive
> > > >> train
> > > >> is binding up. This causes a hop or a wobble in the steering wheel
as
> > the
> > > >> tires try to slip on the ground to release the EXCESSIVE stress you
are
> > > >> putting on it. If you continue to use 4WD on hard pavement, you
WILL
> > > > destroy
> > > >> the tcase. It isn't a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN.
> > > >>
> > > >> 2nd, if the tcase and/or front axles is bound up, then it can
remain in
> > > > 4WD
> > > >> after you have selected 2WD. The way to get out of this bind is to
> > select
> > > >> 2WD (2HI), then go in Reverse for about 25 ft. If the front end is
> > still
> > > >> bound up, repeat Reverse. You might get it to drop out of the bind
if
> > you
> > > >> could find a place on dirt or gravel.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> WHAT IS HAPPENING is that the transfer case can not accomodate the
> > speed
> > > >> differences in the front and rear axles. Because of this
fundamental
> > > > truth,
> > > >> then there will be stress built up in the tcase. If the tires are
on
> > dirt
> > > > or
> > > >> gravel, the stress is released because the tires are slipping.
Because
> > > >> you
> > > >> are driving on the street, the stress can not be released easily
and
> > you
> > > >> feel the buckling and lurching that results from the tires slipping
on
> > > >> the
> > > >> pavement. The differentials (large bulb-shaped parts in the middle
of
> > the
> > > >> axles) accomodate speed differences from left to right. These
> > differences
> > > >
> > > >> come from the outside tire travelling further than the inside tire
> > during
> > > > a
> > > >> turn. The front and rear tires also travel different arcs in a
turn,
> > > >> therefore they also turn at different speeds. So, in 4WD, all four
> > tires
> > > > can
> > > >> turn at different speeds, this is especially true in the hard turns
> > that
> > > > you
> > > >> described in your symptoms. Not only do the left and right side
tires
> > go
> > > >> different speeds, but the front and rear tires go at different
speeds
> > as
> > > >> well. The tcase is not designed to accomodate the differences from
> > front
> > > > to
> > > >> rear, as the differentials are designed to do for right to left.
> > > >>
> > > >> The front axle is connected to the driveshaft via a slip joint kind
of
> > > >> arrangement inside the axle itself. When you select 4WD, either 4HI
or
> > > > 4LO,
> > > >> there is vacuum that is supplied via the transfer case to the front
> > axle.
> > > >> This vacuum activates a fork that moves the slip joint over splines
on
> > > >> the
> > > >> axle shaft. You are describing a symptom where the slip joint is
not
> > > >> releasing. A reason it is not is that the axle shafts are bound up,
and
> > > > you
> > > >> unbind them by going backwards. You do not need speed, in fact
speed is
> > > >> probably problematic for inducing the slip joint to release. You
could
> > > >> experiment with gently turning the steering wheel from side to
side.
> > This
> > > >> will cause the axle halves to go at slightly different speeds, and
the
> > > > slip
> > > >> joint can slip more easily.
> > > >>
> > > >> Your '88 YJ has the same limitations, by the way.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "JEEPR" <YJJPS@nospam@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > > >> news:uPfLd.1748$Ck1.334219@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > > >> > The old ladies 98 grand cherokee is hopping when making sharp rh
or
> > lh
> > > >> > turns. She had not use the 4wd for a while until the recent
snows.
> > > >> > Could it be possible that the 4wd is stuck on even though 2 hi
> > > >> > selected.
> > > >> > Has anyone else experienced this
> > > >> > What would be the cure.
> > > >> > Mike Romain I would value your input on this one.
> > > >> > Thanks to all for assistance.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Have a 88 yj myself and love the tinkering. Just want to make
sure
> > I'm
> > > > on
> > > >> > the right trac.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt
> > > >> > 0|||||||0
> > > >> > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >

Mike Romain

'Grabbing' is the term I would use...
;-)

Mike

Musashi wrote:
>
> "Crabbing" was the term used by my Jeep dealer (service dept) for the
> front wheels shaking when making a hard turn on hard pavement while in 4 wheel.
> Not that my Jeep dealer is any genius.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:420114EF.DAA54F7A@sympatico.ca...
> > Umm, around here anyway, 'crabbing' or 'crab walking' is a locked rear
> > diff vehicle trying to go up a snowy hill.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Musashi wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes that is probably "crabbing".
> > > I get that on my 99 cherokee as well on sharp turns on dry pavement in 4X4.
> > > Doesn't happen on snow or dirt.
> > >
> > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:PAuLd.723$Tt.599@fed1read05...
> > > > That it's being driven in 4x4 on pavement is why it's happening. That
> > > > particular transfer case is designed for use offroad and that problem
> > > > will happen whenever it's driven on any surface that has good traction.
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > >
> > > > JEEPR wrote:
> > > > > It happens on drive pavement and tire press ok
> > > > > It is continuous.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Mike Romain

'Grabbing' is the term I would use...
;-)

Mike

Musashi wrote:
>
> "Crabbing" was the term used by my Jeep dealer (service dept) for the
> front wheels shaking when making a hard turn on hard pavement while in 4 wheel.
> Not that my Jeep dealer is any genius.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:420114EF.DAA54F7A@sympatico.ca...
> > Umm, around here anyway, 'crabbing' or 'crab walking' is a locked rear
> > diff vehicle trying to go up a snowy hill.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Musashi wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes that is probably "crabbing".
> > > I get that on my 99 cherokee as well on sharp turns on dry pavement in 4X4.
> > > Doesn't happen on snow or dirt.
> > >
> > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:PAuLd.723$Tt.599@fed1read05...
> > > > That it's being driven in 4x4 on pavement is why it's happening. That
> > > > particular transfer case is designed for use offroad and that problem
> > > > will happen whenever it's driven on any surface that has good traction.
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > >
> > > > JEEPR wrote:
> > > > > It happens on drive pavement and tire press ok
> > > > > It is continuous.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Mike Romain

'Grabbing' is the term I would use...
;-)

Mike

Musashi wrote:
>
> "Crabbing" was the term used by my Jeep dealer (service dept) for the
> front wheels shaking when making a hard turn on hard pavement while in 4 wheel.
> Not that my Jeep dealer is any genius.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:420114EF.DAA54F7A@sympatico.ca...
> > Umm, around here anyway, 'crabbing' or 'crab walking' is a locked rear
> > diff vehicle trying to go up a snowy hill.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Musashi wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes that is probably "crabbing".
> > > I get that on my 99 cherokee as well on sharp turns on dry pavement in 4X4.
> > > Doesn't happen on snow or dirt.
> > >
> > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:PAuLd.723$Tt.599@fed1read05...
> > > > That it's being driven in 4x4 on pavement is why it's happening. That
> > > > particular transfer case is designed for use offroad and that problem
> > > > will happen whenever it's driven on any surface that has good traction.
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > >
> > > > JEEPR wrote:
> > > > > It happens on drive pavement and tire press ok
> > > > > It is continuous.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Jeff Strickland

Me neither. but I _have_ seen the bolt come lose and let the lever slid on
the shaft. Even if the lever bends, sliding it on the shaft and tightening
the bolt is as good a fix as any. $167 seems to be way more than it should
cost to fix this.





"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4200E3A5.BEDFEA43@sympatico.ca...
> Now you need to ask just 'how' this lever got bent?
>
> Do you have a snapped off tranny or engine mount? Did it hit
> something? High center on a stump?
>
> I have seen some really twisted up rigs off road and have never heard of
> the shift linkage being 'bent'.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> JEEPR wrote:
> >
> > thanks guys, it was $167 worth of bent lever to take out and
straightened
> > and re install. Pressed for time, she needs it to get to work, so could
not
> > afford down time, also just have the driveway no shelter and although
love
> > to tinker I prefer fairer weather. Once again thanks for all the input.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Matt
> > 0|||||||0
> > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:kO2dnVTjBuNaJGLcRVn-rg@ez2.net...
> > > Well, that's easy to fix.
> > >
> > > The select lever goes through the floor and connects to a shaft. As
you
> > push
> > > and pull the lever, it causes the shaft to slide in and out, selecting
the
> > > available options in the tcase. There is a bolt that attaches (clamps)
the
> > > lever to the shaft, the bolt is loose. The bolt can come loose, then
bind
> > on
> > > the shaft in the incorrect position. Move the selector until N is
> > selected,
> > > not indicated but actually selected. Then losen the bolt so it does
not
> > hold
> > > the lever to the shaft, and move the lever to the N position, then
> > retighten
> > > the bolt. Test and adjust as necessary.
> > >
> > > The bolt can be seen from underneath the vehicle, well, it can be seen
on
> > a
> > > Cherokee and a TJ, I am not certain about the Grand.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "JEEPR" <YJJPS@nospam@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:4CELd.4802$Ck1.853144@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > > > It now appears that the shifter is out of sequence, when selected to
2
> > hi
> > > > indicates part time, when selected part time indicates full time,
when
> > > > selected full time acts like neutral, when selected 4 lo indicates
part
> > > > time
> > > > how's that for weird
> > > >
> > > > Jeff thanks for your help tried the back up thing no joy, don't give
up
> > on
> > > > me if you got anymore hints drop them on me
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > > 0|||||||0
> > > > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > > > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:TISdnRUPo8jL4GPcRVn-jA@ez2.net...
> > > >> You are asking 2 questions here. It is OK to ask two questions, but
I
> > > > wanted
> > > >> you to be sure you understood that.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> 1st, it sounds like you are using 4WD on dry pavement, and the
drive
> > > >> train
> > > >> is binding up. This causes a hop or a wobble in the steering wheel
as
> > the
> > > >> tires try to slip on the ground to release the EXCESSIVE stress you
are
> > > >> putting on it. If you continue to use 4WD on hard pavement, you
WILL
> > > > destroy
> > > >> the tcase. It isn't a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN.
> > > >>
> > > >> 2nd, if the tcase and/or front axles is bound up, then it can
remain in
> > > > 4WD
> > > >> after you have selected 2WD. The way to get out of this bind is to
> > select
> > > >> 2WD (2HI), then go in Reverse for about 25 ft. If the front end is
> > still
> > > >> bound up, repeat Reverse. You might get it to drop out of the bind
if
> > you
> > > >> could find a place on dirt or gravel.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> WHAT IS HAPPENING is that the transfer case can not accomodate the
> > speed
> > > >> differences in the front and rear axles. Because of this
fundamental
> > > > truth,
> > > >> then there will be stress built up in the tcase. If the tires are
on
> > dirt
> > > > or
> > > >> gravel, the stress is released because the tires are slipping.
Because
> > > >> you
> > > >> are driving on the street, the stress can not be released easily
and
> > you
> > > >> feel the buckling and lurching that results from the tires slipping
on
> > > >> the
> > > >> pavement. The differentials (large bulb-shaped parts in the middle
of
> > the
> > > >> axles) accomodate speed differences from left to right. These
> > differences
> > > >
> > > >> come from the outside tire travelling further than the inside tire
> > during
> > > > a
> > > >> turn. The front and rear tires also travel different arcs in a
turn,
> > > >> therefore they also turn at different speeds. So, in 4WD, all four
> > tires
> > > > can
> > > >> turn at different speeds, this is especially true in the hard turns
> > that
> > > > you
> > > >> described in your symptoms. Not only do the left and right side
tires
> > go
> > > >> different speeds, but the front and rear tires go at different
speeds
> > as
> > > >> well. The tcase is not designed to accomodate the differences from
> > front
> > > > to
> > > >> rear, as the differentials are designed to do for right to left.
> > > >>
> > > >> The front axle is connected to the driveshaft via a slip joint kind
of
> > > >> arrangement inside the axle itself. When you select 4WD, either 4HI
or
> > > > 4LO,
> > > >> there is vacuum that is supplied via the transfer case to the front
> > axle.
> > > >> This vacuum activates a fork that moves the slip joint over splines
on
> > > >> the
> > > >> axle shaft. You are describing a symptom where the slip joint is
not
> > > >> releasing. A reason it is not is that the axle shafts are bound up,
and
> > > > you
> > > >> unbind them by going backwards. You do not need speed, in fact
speed is
> > > >> probably problematic for inducing the slip joint to release. You
could
> > > >> experiment with gently turning the steering wheel from side to
side.
> > This
> > > >> will cause the axle halves to go at slightly different speeds, and
the
> > > > slip
> > > >> joint can slip more easily.
> > > >>
> > > >> Your '88 YJ has the same limitations, by the way.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "JEEPR" <YJJPS@nospam@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > > >> news:uPfLd.1748$Ck1.334219@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > > >> > The old ladies 98 grand cherokee is hopping when making sharp rh
or
> > lh
> > > >> > turns. She had not use the 4wd for a while until the recent
snows.
> > > >> > Could it be possible that the 4wd is stuck on even though 2 hi
> > > >> > selected.
> > > >> > Has anyone else experienced this
> > > >> > What would be the cure.
> > > >> > Mike Romain I would value your input on this one.
> > > >> > Thanks to all for assistance.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Have a 88 yj myself and love the tinkering. Just want to make
sure
> > I'm
> > > > on
> > > >> > the right trac.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt
> > > >> > 0|||||||0
> > > >> > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >

Jeff Strickland

Me neither. but I _have_ seen the bolt come lose and let the lever slid on
the shaft. Even if the lever bends, sliding it on the shaft and tightening
the bolt is as good a fix as any. $167 seems to be way more than it should
cost to fix this.





"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4200E3A5.BEDFEA43@sympatico.ca...
> Now you need to ask just 'how' this lever got bent?
>
> Do you have a snapped off tranny or engine mount? Did it hit
> something? High center on a stump?
>
> I have seen some really twisted up rigs off road and have never heard of
> the shift linkage being 'bent'.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> JEEPR wrote:
> >
> > thanks guys, it was $167 worth of bent lever to take out and
straightened
> > and re install. Pressed for time, she needs it to get to work, so could
not
> > afford down time, also just have the driveway no shelter and although
love
> > to tinker I prefer fairer weather. Once again thanks for all the input.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Matt
> > 0|||||||0
> > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:kO2dnVTjBuNaJGLcRVn-rg@ez2.net...
> > > Well, that's easy to fix.
> > >
> > > The select lever goes through the floor and connects to a shaft. As
you
> > push
> > > and pull the lever, it causes the shaft to slide in and out, selecting
the
> > > available options in the tcase. There is a bolt that attaches (clamps)
the
> > > lever to the shaft, the bolt is loose. The bolt can come loose, then
bind
> > on
> > > the shaft in the incorrect position. Move the selector until N is
> > selected,
> > > not indicated but actually selected. Then losen the bolt so it does
not
> > hold
> > > the lever to the shaft, and move the lever to the N position, then
> > retighten
> > > the bolt. Test and adjust as necessary.
> > >
> > > The bolt can be seen from underneath the vehicle, well, it can be seen
on
> > a
> > > Cherokee and a TJ, I am not certain about the Grand.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "JEEPR" <YJJPS@nospam@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:4CELd.4802$Ck1.853144@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > > > It now appears that the shifter is out of sequence, when selected to
2
> > hi
> > > > indicates part time, when selected part time indicates full time,
when
> > > > selected full time acts like neutral, when selected 4 lo indicates
part
> > > > time
> > > > how's that for weird
> > > >
> > > > Jeff thanks for your help tried the back up thing no joy, don't give
up
> > on
> > > > me if you got anymore hints drop them on me
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > > 0|||||||0
> > > > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > > > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:TISdnRUPo8jL4GPcRVn-jA@ez2.net...
> > > >> You are asking 2 questions here. It is OK to ask two questions, but
I
> > > > wanted
> > > >> you to be sure you understood that.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> 1st, it sounds like you are using 4WD on dry pavement, and the
drive
> > > >> train
> > > >> is binding up. This causes a hop or a wobble in the steering wheel
as
> > the
> > > >> tires try to slip on the ground to release the EXCESSIVE stress you
are
> > > >> putting on it. If you continue to use 4WD on hard pavement, you
WILL
> > > > destroy
> > > >> the tcase. It isn't a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN.
> > > >>
> > > >> 2nd, if the tcase and/or front axles is bound up, then it can
remain in
> > > > 4WD
> > > >> after you have selected 2WD. The way to get out of this bind is to
> > select
> > > >> 2WD (2HI), then go in Reverse for about 25 ft. If the front end is
> > still
> > > >> bound up, repeat Reverse. You might get it to drop out of the bind
if
> > you
> > > >> could find a place on dirt or gravel.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> WHAT IS HAPPENING is that the transfer case can not accomodate the
> > speed
> > > >> differences in the front and rear axles. Because of this
fundamental
> > > > truth,
> > > >> then there will be stress built up in the tcase. If the tires are
on
> > dirt
> > > > or
> > > >> gravel, the stress is released because the tires are slipping.
Because
> > > >> you
> > > >> are driving on the street, the stress can not be released easily
and
> > you
> > > >> feel the buckling and lurching that results from the tires slipping
on
> > > >> the
> > > >> pavement. The differentials (large bulb-shaped parts in the middle
of
> > the
> > > >> axles) accomodate speed differences from left to right. These
> > differences
> > > >
> > > >> come from the outside tire travelling further than the inside tire
> > during
> > > > a
> > > >> turn. The front and rear tires also travel different arcs in a
turn,
> > > >> therefore they also turn at different speeds. So, in 4WD, all four
> > tires
> > > > can
> > > >> turn at different speeds, this is especially true in the hard turns
> > that
> > > > you
> > > >> described in your symptoms. Not only do the left and right side
tires
> > go
> > > >> different speeds, but the front and rear tires go at different
speeds
> > as
> > > >> well. The tcase is not designed to accomodate the differences from
> > front
> > > > to
> > > >> rear, as the differentials are designed to do for right to left.
> > > >>
> > > >> The front axle is connected to the driveshaft via a slip joint kind
of
> > > >> arrangement inside the axle itself. When you select 4WD, either 4HI
or
> > > > 4LO,
> > > >> there is vacuum that is supplied via the transfer case to the front
> > axle.
> > > >> This vacuum activates a fork that moves the slip joint over splines
on
> > > >> the
> > > >> axle shaft. You are describing a symptom where the slip joint is
not
> > > >> releasing. A reason it is not is that the axle shafts are bound up,
and
> > > > you
> > > >> unbind them by going backwards. You do not need speed, in fact
speed is
> > > >> probably problematic for inducing the slip joint to release. You
could
> > > >> experiment with gently turning the steering wheel from side to
side.
> > This
> > > >> will cause the axle halves to go at slightly different speeds, and
the
> > > > slip
> > > >> joint can slip more easily.
> > > >>
> > > >> Your '88 YJ has the same limitations, by the way.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "JEEPR" <YJJPS@nospam@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > > >> news:uPfLd.1748$Ck1.334219@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > > >> > The old ladies 98 grand cherokee is hopping when making sharp rh
or
> > lh
> > > >> > turns. She had not use the 4wd for a while until the recent
snows.
> > > >> > Could it be possible that the 4wd is stuck on even though 2 hi
> > > >> > selected.
> > > >> > Has anyone else experienced this
> > > >> > What would be the cure.
> > > >> > Mike Romain I would value your input on this one.
> > > >> > Thanks to all for assistance.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Have a 88 yj myself and love the tinkering. Just want to make
sure
> > I'm
> > > > on
> > > >> > the right trac.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt
> > > >> > 0|||||||0
> > > >> > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >

Jeff Strickland

Me neither. but I _have_ seen the bolt come lose and let the lever slid on
the shaft. Even if the lever bends, sliding it on the shaft and tightening
the bolt is as good a fix as any. $167 seems to be way more than it should
cost to fix this.





"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4200E3A5.BEDFEA43@sympatico.ca...
> Now you need to ask just 'how' this lever got bent?
>
> Do you have a snapped off tranny or engine mount? Did it hit
> something? High center on a stump?
>
> I have seen some really twisted up rigs off road and have never heard of
> the shift linkage being 'bent'.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> JEEPR wrote:
> >
> > thanks guys, it was $167 worth of bent lever to take out and
straightened
> > and re install. Pressed for time, she needs it to get to work, so could
not
> > afford down time, also just have the driveway no shelter and although
love
> > to tinker I prefer fairer weather. Once again thanks for all the input.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Matt
> > 0|||||||0
> > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:kO2dnVTjBuNaJGLcRVn-rg@ez2.net...
> > > Well, that's easy to fix.
> > >
> > > The select lever goes through the floor and connects to a shaft. As
you
> > push
> > > and pull the lever, it causes the shaft to slide in and out, selecting
the
> > > available options in the tcase. There is a bolt that attaches (clamps)
the
> > > lever to the shaft, the bolt is loose. The bolt can come loose, then
bind
> > on
> > > the shaft in the incorrect position. Move the selector until N is
> > selected,
> > > not indicated but actually selected. Then losen the bolt so it does
not
> > hold
> > > the lever to the shaft, and move the lever to the N position, then
> > retighten
> > > the bolt. Test and adjust as necessary.
> > >
> > > The bolt can be seen from underneath the vehicle, well, it can be seen
on
> > a
> > > Cherokee and a TJ, I am not certain about the Grand.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "JEEPR" <YJJPS@nospam@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:4CELd.4802$Ck1.853144@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > > > It now appears that the shifter is out of sequence, when selected to
2
> > hi
> > > > indicates part time, when selected part time indicates full time,
when
> > > > selected full time acts like neutral, when selected 4 lo indicates
part
> > > > time
> > > > how's that for weird
> > > >
> > > > Jeff thanks for your help tried the back up thing no joy, don't give
up
> > on
> > > > me if you got anymore hints drop them on me
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > > 0|||||||0
> > > > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > > > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:TISdnRUPo8jL4GPcRVn-jA@ez2.net...
> > > >> You are asking 2 questions here. It is OK to ask two questions, but
I
> > > > wanted
> > > >> you to be sure you understood that.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> 1st, it sounds like you are using 4WD on dry pavement, and the
drive
> > > >> train
> > > >> is binding up. This causes a hop or a wobble in the steering wheel
as
> > the
> > > >> tires try to slip on the ground to release the EXCESSIVE stress you
are
> > > >> putting on it. If you continue to use 4WD on hard pavement, you
WILL
> > > > destroy
> > > >> the tcase. It isn't a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN.
> > > >>
> > > >> 2nd, if the tcase and/or front axles is bound up, then it can
remain in
> > > > 4WD
> > > >> after you have selected 2WD. The way to get out of this bind is to
> > select
> > > >> 2WD (2HI), then go in Reverse for about 25 ft. If the front end is
> > still
> > > >> bound up, repeat Reverse. You might get it to drop out of the bind
if
> > you
> > > >> could find a place on dirt or gravel.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> WHAT IS HAPPENING is that the transfer case can not accomodate the
> > speed
> > > >> differences in the front and rear axles. Because of this
fundamental
> > > > truth,
> > > >> then there will be stress built up in the tcase. If the tires are
on
> > dirt
> > > > or
> > > >> gravel, the stress is released because the tires are slipping.
Because
> > > >> you
> > > >> are driving on the street, the stress can not be released easily
and
> > you
> > > >> feel the buckling and lurching that results from the tires slipping
on
> > > >> the
> > > >> pavement. The differentials (large bulb-shaped parts in the middle
of
> > the
> > > >> axles) accomodate speed differences from left to right. These
> > differences
> > > >
> > > >> come from the outside tire travelling further than the inside tire
> > during
> > > > a
> > > >> turn. The front and rear tires also travel different arcs in a
turn,
> > > >> therefore they also turn at different speeds. So, in 4WD, all four
> > tires
> > > > can
> > > >> turn at different speeds, this is especially true in the hard turns
> > that
> > > > you
> > > >> described in your symptoms. Not only do the left and right side
tires
> > go
> > > >> different speeds, but the front and rear tires go at different
speeds
> > as
> > > >> well. The tcase is not designed to accomodate the differences from
> > front
> > > > to
> > > >> rear, as the differentials are designed to do for right to left.
> > > >>
> > > >> The front axle is connected to the driveshaft via a slip joint kind
of
> > > >> arrangement inside the axle itself. When you select 4WD, either 4HI
or
> > > > 4LO,
> > > >> there is vacuum that is supplied via the transfer case to the front
> > axle.
> > > >> This vacuum activates a fork that moves the slip joint over splines
on
> > > >> the
> > > >> axle shaft. You are describing a symptom where the slip joint is
not
> > > >> releasing. A reason it is not is that the axle shafts are bound up,
and
> > > > you
> > > >> unbind them by going backwards. You do not need speed, in fact
speed is
> > > >> probably problematic for inducing the slip joint to release. You
could
> > > >> experiment with gently turning the steering wheel from side to
side.
> > This
> > > >> will cause the axle halves to go at slightly different speeds, and
the
> > > > slip
> > > >> joint can slip more easily.
> > > >>
> > > >> Your '88 YJ has the same limitations, by the way.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "JEEPR" <YJJPS@nospam@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > > >> news:uPfLd.1748$Ck1.334219@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > > >> > The old ladies 98 grand cherokee is hopping when making sharp rh
or
> > lh
> > > >> > turns. She had not use the 4wd for a while until the recent
snows.
> > > >> > Could it be possible that the 4wd is stuck on even though 2 hi
> > > >> > selected.
> > > >> > Has anyone else experienced this
> > > >> > What would be the cure.
> > > >> > Mike Romain I would value your input on this one.
> > > >> > Thanks to all for assistance.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Have a 88 yj myself and love the tinkering. Just want to make
sure
> > I'm
> > > > on
> > > >> > the right trac.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt
> > > >> > 0|||||||0
> > > >> > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >

JEEPR

1.5 hrs labor then don't forget the government's share

--

Matt
0|||||||0
Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
news:daOdnYHVzNQV15zfRVn-rQ@ez2.net...
> Me neither. but I _have_ seen the bolt come lose and let the lever slid on
> the shaft. Even if the lever bends, sliding it on the shaft and tightening
> the bolt is as good a fix as any. $167 seems to be way more than it should
> cost to fix this.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4200E3A5.BEDFEA43@sympatico.ca...
> > Now you need to ask just 'how' this lever got bent?
> >
> > Do you have a snapped off tranny or engine mount? Did it hit
> > something? High center on a stump?
> >
> > I have seen some really twisted up rigs off road and have never heard of
> > the shift linkage being 'bent'.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > JEEPR wrote:
> > >
> > > thanks guys, it was $167 worth of bent lever to take out and
> straightened
> > > and re install. Pressed for time, she needs it to get to work, so
could
> not
> > > afford down time, also just have the driveway no shelter and although
> love
> > > to tinker I prefer fairer weather. Once again thanks for all the
input.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Matt
> > > 0|||||||0
> > > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:kO2dnVTjBuNaJGLcRVn-rg@ez2.net...
> > > > Well, that's easy to fix.
> > > >
> > > > The select lever goes through the floor and connects to a shaft. As
> you
> > > push
> > > > and pull the lever, it causes the shaft to slide in and out,
selecting
> the
> > > > available options in the tcase. There is a bolt that attaches
(clamps)
> the
> > > > lever to the shaft, the bolt is loose. The bolt can come loose, then
> bind
> > > on
> > > > the shaft in the incorrect position. Move the selector until N is
> > > selected,
> > > > not indicated but actually selected. Then losen the bolt so it does
> not
> > > hold
> > > > the lever to the shaft, and move the lever to the N position, then
> > > retighten
> > > > the bolt. Test and adjust as necessary.
> > > >
> > > > The bolt can be seen from underneath the vehicle, well, it can be
seen
> on
> > > a
> > > > Cherokee and a TJ, I am not certain about the Grand.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "JEEPR" <YJJPS@nospam@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:4CELd.4802$Ck1.853144@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > > > > It now appears that the shifter is out of sequence, when selected
to
> 2
> > > hi
> > > > > indicates part time, when selected part time indicates full time,
> when
> > > > > selected full time acts like neutral, when selected 4 lo indicates
> part
> > > > > time
> > > > > how's that for weird
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff thanks for your help tried the back up thing no joy, don't
give
> up
> > > on
> > > > > me if you got anymore hints drop them on me
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Matt
> > > > > 0|||||||0
> > > > > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > > > > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:TISdnRUPo8jL4GPcRVn-jA@ez2.net...
> > > > >> You are asking 2 questions here. It is OK to ask two questions,
but
> I
> > > > > wanted
> > > > >> you to be sure you understood that.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 1st, it sounds like you are using 4WD on dry pavement, and the
> drive
> > > > >> train
> > > > >> is binding up. This causes a hop or a wobble in the steering
wheel
> as
> > > the
> > > > >> tires try to slip on the ground to release the EXCESSIVE stress
you
> are
> > > > >> putting on it. If you continue to use 4WD on hard pavement, you
> WILL
> > > > > destroy
> > > > >> the tcase. It isn't a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 2nd, if the tcase and/or front axles is bound up, then it can
> remain in
> > > > > 4WD
> > > > >> after you have selected 2WD. The way to get out of this bind is
to
> > > select
> > > > >> 2WD (2HI), then go in Reverse for about 25 ft. If the front end
is
> > > still
> > > > >> bound up, repeat Reverse. You might get it to drop out of the
bind
> if
> > > you
> > > > >> could find a place on dirt or gravel.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> WHAT IS HAPPENING is that the transfer case can not accomodate
the
> > > speed
> > > > >> differences in the front and rear axles. Because of this
> fundamental
> > > > > truth,
> > > > >> then there will be stress built up in the tcase. If the tires are
> on
> > > dirt
> > > > > or
> > > > >> gravel, the stress is released because the tires are slipping.
> Because
> > > > >> you
> > > > >> are driving on the street, the stress can not be released easily
> and
> > > you
> > > > >> feel the buckling and lurching that results from the tires
slipping
> on
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> pavement. The differentials (large bulb-shaped parts in the
middle
> of
> > > the
> > > > >> axles) accomodate speed differences from left to right. These
> > > differences
> > > > >
> > > > >> come from the outside tire travelling further than the inside
tire
> > > during
> > > > > a
> > > > >> turn. The front and rear tires also travel different arcs in a
> turn,
> > > > >> therefore they also turn at different speeds. So, in 4WD, all
four
> > > tires
> > > > > can
> > > > >> turn at different speeds, this is especially true in the hard
turns
> > > that
> > > > > you
> > > > >> described in your symptoms. Not only do the left and right side
> tires
> > > go
> > > > >> different speeds, but the front and rear tires go at different
> speeds
> > > as
> > > > >> well. The tcase is not designed to accomodate the differences
from
> > > front
> > > > > to
> > > > >> rear, as the differentials are designed to do for right to left.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The front axle is connected to the driveshaft via a slip joint
kind
> of
> > > > >> arrangement inside the axle itself. When you select 4WD, either
4HI
> or
> > > > > 4LO,
> > > > >> there is vacuum that is supplied via the transfer case to the
front
> > > axle.
> > > > >> This vacuum activates a fork that moves the slip joint over
splines
> on
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> axle shaft. You are describing a symptom where the slip joint is
> not
> > > > >> releasing. A reason it is not is that the axle shafts are bound
up,
> and
> > > > > you
> > > > >> unbind them by going backwards. You do not need speed, in fact
> speed is
> > > > >> probably problematic for inducing the slip joint to release. You
> could
> > > > >> experiment with gently turning the steering wheel from side to
> side.
> > > This
> > > > >> will cause the axle halves to go at slightly different speeds,
and
> the
> > > > > slip
> > > > >> joint can slip more easily.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Your '88 YJ has the same limitations, by the way.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "JEEPR" <YJJPS@nospam@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > > > >> news:uPfLd.1748$Ck1.334219@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > > > >> > The old ladies 98 grand cherokee is hopping when making sharp
rh
> or
> > > lh
> > > > >> > turns. She had not use the 4wd for a while until the recent
> snows.
> > > > >> > Could it be possible that the 4wd is stuck on even though 2 hi
> > > > >> > selected.
> > > > >> > Has anyone else experienced this
> > > > >> > What would be the cure.
> > > > >> > Mike Romain I would value your input on this one.
> > > > >> > Thanks to all for assistance.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Have a 88 yj myself and love the tinkering. Just want to make
> sure
> > > I'm
> > > > > on
> > > > >> > the right trac.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > --
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Matt
> > > > >> > 0|||||||0
> > > > >> > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
>
>

JEEPR

1.5 hrs labor then don't forget the government's share

--

Matt
0|||||||0
Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
news:daOdnYHVzNQV15zfRVn-rQ@ez2.net...
> Me neither. but I _have_ seen the bolt come lose and let the lever slid on
> the shaft. Even if the lever bends, sliding it on the shaft and tightening
> the bolt is as good a fix as any. $167 seems to be way more than it should
> cost to fix this.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4200E3A5.BEDFEA43@sympatico.ca...
> > Now you need to ask just 'how' this lever got bent?
> >
> > Do you have a snapped off tranny or engine mount? Did it hit
> > something? High center on a stump?
> >
> > I have seen some really twisted up rigs off road and have never heard of
> > the shift linkage being 'bent'.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > JEEPR wrote:
> > >
> > > thanks guys, it was $167 worth of bent lever to take out and
> straightened
> > > and re install. Pressed for time, she needs it to get to work, so
could
> not
> > > afford down time, also just have the driveway no shelter and although
> love
> > > to tinker I prefer fairer weather. Once again thanks for all the
input.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Matt
> > > 0|||||||0
> > > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:kO2dnVTjBuNaJGLcRVn-rg@ez2.net...
> > > > Well, that's easy to fix.
> > > >
> > > > The select lever goes through the floor and connects to a shaft. As
> you
> > > push
> > > > and pull the lever, it causes the shaft to slide in and out,
selecting
> the
> > > > available options in the tcase. There is a bolt that attaches
(clamps)
> the
> > > > lever to the shaft, the bolt is loose. The bolt can come loose, then
> bind
> > > on
> > > > the shaft in the incorrect position. Move the selector until N is
> > > selected,
> > > > not indicated but actually selected. Then losen the bolt so it does
> not
> > > hold
> > > > the lever to the shaft, and move the lever to the N position, then
> > > retighten
> > > > the bolt. Test and adjust as necessary.
> > > >
> > > > The bolt can be seen from underneath the vehicle, well, it can be
seen
> on
> > > a
> > > > Cherokee and a TJ, I am not certain about the Grand.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "JEEPR" <YJJPS@nospam@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:4CELd.4802$Ck1.853144@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > > > > It now appears that the shifter is out of sequence, when selected
to
> 2
> > > hi
> > > > > indicates part time, when selected part time indicates full time,
> when
> > > > > selected full time acts like neutral, when selected 4 lo indicates
> part
> > > > > time
> > > > > how's that for weird
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff thanks for your help tried the back up thing no joy, don't
give
> up
> > > on
> > > > > me if you got anymore hints drop them on me
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Matt
> > > > > 0|||||||0
> > > > > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > > > > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:TISdnRUPo8jL4GPcRVn-jA@ez2.net...
> > > > >> You are asking 2 questions here. It is OK to ask two questions,
but
> I
> > > > > wanted
> > > > >> you to be sure you understood that.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 1st, it sounds like you are using 4WD on dry pavement, and the
> drive
> > > > >> train
> > > > >> is binding up. This causes a hop or a wobble in the steering
wheel
> as
> > > the
> > > > >> tires try to slip on the ground to release the EXCESSIVE stress
you
> are
> > > > >> putting on it. If you continue to use 4WD on hard pavement, you
> WILL
> > > > > destroy
> > > > >> the tcase. It isn't a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 2nd, if the tcase and/or front axles is bound up, then it can
> remain in
> > > > > 4WD
> > > > >> after you have selected 2WD. The way to get out of this bind is
to
> > > select
> > > > >> 2WD (2HI), then go in Reverse for about 25 ft. If the front end
is
> > > still
> > > > >> bound up, repeat Reverse. You might get it to drop out of the
bind
> if
> > > you
> > > > >> could find a place on dirt or gravel.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> WHAT IS HAPPENING is that the transfer case can not accomodate
the
> > > speed
> > > > >> differences in the front and rear axles. Because of this
> fundamental
> > > > > truth,
> > > > >> then there will be stress built up in the tcase. If the tires are
> on
> > > dirt
> > > > > or
> > > > >> gravel, the stress is released because the tires are slipping.
> Because
> > > > >> you
> > > > >> are driving on the street, the stress can not be released easily
> and
> > > you
> > > > >> feel the buckling and lurching that results from the tires
slipping
> on
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> pavement. The differentials (large bulb-shaped parts in the
middle
> of
> > > the
> > > > >> axles) accomodate speed differences from left to right. These
> > > differences
> > > > >
> > > > >> come from the outside tire travelling further than the inside
tire
> > > during
> > > > > a
> > > > >> turn. The front and rear tires also travel different arcs in a
> turn,
> > > > >> therefore they also turn at different speeds. So, in 4WD, all
four
> > > tires
> > > > > can
> > > > >> turn at different speeds, this is especially true in the hard
turns
> > > that
> > > > > you
> > > > >> described in your symptoms. Not only do the left and right side
> tires
> > > go
> > > > >> different speeds, but the front and rear tires go at different
> speeds
> > > as
> > > > >> well. The tcase is not designed to accomodate the differences
from
> > > front
> > > > > to
> > > > >> rear, as the differentials are designed to do for right to left.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The front axle is connected to the driveshaft via a slip joint
kind
> of
> > > > >> arrangement inside the axle itself. When you select 4WD, either
4HI
> or
> > > > > 4LO,
> > > > >> there is vacuum that is supplied via the transfer case to the
front
> > > axle.
> > > > >> This vacuum activates a fork that moves the slip joint over
splines
> on
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> axle shaft. You are describing a symptom where the slip joint is
> not
> > > > >> releasing. A reason it is not is that the axle shafts are bound
up,
> and
> > > > > you
> > > > >> unbind them by going backwards. You do not need speed, in fact
> speed is
> > > > >> probably problematic for inducing the slip joint to release. You
> could
> > > > >> experiment with gently turning the steering wheel from side to
> side.
> > > This
> > > > >> will cause the axle halves to go at slightly different speeds,
and
> the
> > > > > slip
> > > > >> joint can slip more easily.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Your '88 YJ has the same limitations, by the way.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "JEEPR" <YJJPS@nospam@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > > > >> news:uPfLd.1748$Ck1.334219@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > > > >> > The old ladies 98 grand cherokee is hopping when making sharp
rh
> or
> > > lh
> > > > >> > turns. She had not use the 4wd for a while until the recent
> snows.
> > > > >> > Could it be possible that the 4wd is stuck on even though 2 hi
> > > > >> > selected.
> > > > >> > Has anyone else experienced this
> > > > >> > What would be the cure.
> > > > >> > Mike Romain I would value your input on this one.
> > > > >> > Thanks to all for assistance.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Have a 88 yj myself and love the tinkering. Just want to make
> sure
> > > I'm
> > > > > on
> > > > >> > the right trac.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > --
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Matt
> > > > >> > 0|||||||0
> > > > >> > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
>
>