hopping during turn
02-02-2005, 12:31 PM
#41
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Re: hopping during turn
Yes that is probably "crabbing".
I get that on my 99 cherokee as well on sharp turns on dry pavement in 4X4.
Doesn't happen on snow or dirt.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:PAuLd.723$Tt.599@fed1read05...
> That it's being driven in 4x4 on pavement is why it's happening. That
> particular transfer case is designed for use offroad and that problem
> will happen whenever it's driven on any surface that has good traction.
>
> Jerry
>
> JEEPR wrote:
> > It happens on drive pavement and tire press ok
> > It is continuous.
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
02-02-2005, 12:31 PM
#42
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Re: hopping during turn
Yes that is probably "crabbing".
I get that on my 99 cherokee as well on sharp turns on dry pavement in 4X4.
Doesn't happen on snow or dirt.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:PAuLd.723$Tt.599@fed1read05...
> That it's being driven in 4x4 on pavement is why it's happening. That
> particular transfer case is designed for use offroad and that problem
> will happen whenever it's driven on any surface that has good traction.
>
> Jerry
>
> JEEPR wrote:
> > It happens on drive pavement and tire press ok
> > It is continuous.
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
02-02-2005, 12:31 PM
#43
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Re: hopping during turn
Yes that is probably "crabbing".
I get that on my 99 cherokee as well on sharp turns on dry pavement in 4X4.
Doesn't happen on snow or dirt.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:PAuLd.723$Tt.599@fed1read05...
> That it's being driven in 4x4 on pavement is why it's happening. That
> particular transfer case is designed for use offroad and that problem
> will happen whenever it's driven on any surface that has good traction.
>
> Jerry
>
> JEEPR wrote:
> > It happens on drive pavement and tire press ok
> > It is continuous.
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
02-02-2005, 12:59 PM
#44
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Re: hopping during turn
Umm, around here anyway, 'crabbing' or 'crab walking' is a locked rear
diff vehicle trying to go up a snowy hill.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Musashi wrote:
>
> Yes that is probably "crabbing".
> I get that on my 99 cherokee as well on sharp turns on dry pavement in 4X4.
> Doesn't happen on snow or dirt.
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:PAuLd.723$Tt.599@fed1read05...
> > That it's being driven in 4x4 on pavement is why it's happening. That
> > particular transfer case is designed for use offroad and that problem
> > will happen whenever it's driven on any surface that has good traction.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > JEEPR wrote:
> > > It happens on drive pavement and tire press ok
> > > It is continuous.
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
diff vehicle trying to go up a snowy hill.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Musashi wrote:
>
> Yes that is probably "crabbing".
> I get that on my 99 cherokee as well on sharp turns on dry pavement in 4X4.
> Doesn't happen on snow or dirt.
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:PAuLd.723$Tt.599@fed1read05...
> > That it's being driven in 4x4 on pavement is why it's happening. That
> > particular transfer case is designed for use offroad and that problem
> > will happen whenever it's driven on any surface that has good traction.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > JEEPR wrote:
> > > It happens on drive pavement and tire press ok
> > > It is continuous.
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
02-02-2005, 12:59 PM
#45
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Re: hopping during turn
Umm, around here anyway, 'crabbing' or 'crab walking' is a locked rear
diff vehicle trying to go up a snowy hill.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Musashi wrote:
>
> Yes that is probably "crabbing".
> I get that on my 99 cherokee as well on sharp turns on dry pavement in 4X4.
> Doesn't happen on snow or dirt.
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:PAuLd.723$Tt.599@fed1read05...
> > That it's being driven in 4x4 on pavement is why it's happening. That
> > particular transfer case is designed for use offroad and that problem
> > will happen whenever it's driven on any surface that has good traction.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > JEEPR wrote:
> > > It happens on drive pavement and tire press ok
> > > It is continuous.
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
diff vehicle trying to go up a snowy hill.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Musashi wrote:
>
> Yes that is probably "crabbing".
> I get that on my 99 cherokee as well on sharp turns on dry pavement in 4X4.
> Doesn't happen on snow or dirt.
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:PAuLd.723$Tt.599@fed1read05...
> > That it's being driven in 4x4 on pavement is why it's happening. That
> > particular transfer case is designed for use offroad and that problem
> > will happen whenever it's driven on any surface that has good traction.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > JEEPR wrote:
> > > It happens on drive pavement and tire press ok
> > > It is continuous.
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
02-02-2005, 12:59 PM
#46
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Re: hopping during turn
Umm, around here anyway, 'crabbing' or 'crab walking' is a locked rear
diff vehicle trying to go up a snowy hill.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Musashi wrote:
>
> Yes that is probably "crabbing".
> I get that on my 99 cherokee as well on sharp turns on dry pavement in 4X4.
> Doesn't happen on snow or dirt.
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:PAuLd.723$Tt.599@fed1read05...
> > That it's being driven in 4x4 on pavement is why it's happening. That
> > particular transfer case is designed for use offroad and that problem
> > will happen whenever it's driven on any surface that has good traction.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > JEEPR wrote:
> > > It happens on drive pavement and tire press ok
> > > It is continuous.
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
diff vehicle trying to go up a snowy hill.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Musashi wrote:
>
> Yes that is probably "crabbing".
> I get that on my 99 cherokee as well on sharp turns on dry pavement in 4X4.
> Doesn't happen on snow or dirt.
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:PAuLd.723$Tt.599@fed1read05...
> > That it's being driven in 4x4 on pavement is why it's happening. That
> > particular transfer case is designed for use offroad and that problem
> > will happen whenever it's driven on any surface that has good traction.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > JEEPR wrote:
> > > It happens on drive pavement and tire press ok
> > > It is continuous.
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
02-02-2005, 02:15 PM
#47
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Re: hopping during turn
"Crabbing" was the term used by my Jeep dealer (service dept) for the
front wheels shaking when making a hard turn on hard pavement while in 4 wheel.
Not that my Jeep dealer is any genius.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:420114EF.DAA54F7A@sympatico.ca...
> Umm, around here anyway, 'crabbing' or 'crab walking' is a locked rear
> diff vehicle trying to go up a snowy hill.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Musashi wrote:
> >
> > Yes that is probably "crabbing".
> > I get that on my 99 cherokee as well on sharp turns on dry pavement in 4X4.
> > Doesn't happen on snow or dirt.
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:PAuLd.723$Tt.599@fed1read05...
> > > That it's being driven in 4x4 on pavement is why it's happening. That
> > > particular transfer case is designed for use offroad and that problem
> > > will happen whenever it's driven on any surface that has good traction.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > > JEEPR wrote:
> > > > It happens on drive pavement and tire press ok
> > > > It is continuous.
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
front wheels shaking when making a hard turn on hard pavement while in 4 wheel.
Not that my Jeep dealer is any genius.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:420114EF.DAA54F7A@sympatico.ca...
> Umm, around here anyway, 'crabbing' or 'crab walking' is a locked rear
> diff vehicle trying to go up a snowy hill.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Musashi wrote:
> >
> > Yes that is probably "crabbing".
> > I get that on my 99 cherokee as well on sharp turns on dry pavement in 4X4.
> > Doesn't happen on snow or dirt.
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:PAuLd.723$Tt.599@fed1read05...
> > > That it's being driven in 4x4 on pavement is why it's happening. That
> > > particular transfer case is designed for use offroad and that problem
> > > will happen whenever it's driven on any surface that has good traction.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > > JEEPR wrote:
> > > > It happens on drive pavement and tire press ok
> > > > It is continuous.
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
02-02-2005, 02:15 PM
#48
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Re: hopping during turn
"Crabbing" was the term used by my Jeep dealer (service dept) for the
front wheels shaking when making a hard turn on hard pavement while in 4 wheel.
Not that my Jeep dealer is any genius.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:420114EF.DAA54F7A@sympatico.ca...
> Umm, around here anyway, 'crabbing' or 'crab walking' is a locked rear
> diff vehicle trying to go up a snowy hill.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Musashi wrote:
> >
> > Yes that is probably "crabbing".
> > I get that on my 99 cherokee as well on sharp turns on dry pavement in 4X4.
> > Doesn't happen on snow or dirt.
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:PAuLd.723$Tt.599@fed1read05...
> > > That it's being driven in 4x4 on pavement is why it's happening. That
> > > particular transfer case is designed for use offroad and that problem
> > > will happen whenever it's driven on any surface that has good traction.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > > JEEPR wrote:
> > > > It happens on drive pavement and tire press ok
> > > > It is continuous.
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
front wheels shaking when making a hard turn on hard pavement while in 4 wheel.
Not that my Jeep dealer is any genius.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:420114EF.DAA54F7A@sympatico.ca...
> Umm, around here anyway, 'crabbing' or 'crab walking' is a locked rear
> diff vehicle trying to go up a snowy hill.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Musashi wrote:
> >
> > Yes that is probably "crabbing".
> > I get that on my 99 cherokee as well on sharp turns on dry pavement in 4X4.
> > Doesn't happen on snow or dirt.
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:PAuLd.723$Tt.599@fed1read05...
> > > That it's being driven in 4x4 on pavement is why it's happening. That
> > > particular transfer case is designed for use offroad and that problem
> > > will happen whenever it's driven on any surface that has good traction.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > > JEEPR wrote:
> > > > It happens on drive pavement and tire press ok
> > > > It is continuous.
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
02-02-2005, 02:15 PM
#49
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Re: hopping during turn
"Crabbing" was the term used by my Jeep dealer (service dept) for the
front wheels shaking when making a hard turn on hard pavement while in 4 wheel.
Not that my Jeep dealer is any genius.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:420114EF.DAA54F7A@sympatico.ca...
> Umm, around here anyway, 'crabbing' or 'crab walking' is a locked rear
> diff vehicle trying to go up a snowy hill.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Musashi wrote:
> >
> > Yes that is probably "crabbing".
> > I get that on my 99 cherokee as well on sharp turns on dry pavement in 4X4.
> > Doesn't happen on snow or dirt.
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:PAuLd.723$Tt.599@fed1read05...
> > > That it's being driven in 4x4 on pavement is why it's happening. That
> > > particular transfer case is designed for use offroad and that problem
> > > will happen whenever it's driven on any surface that has good traction.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > > JEEPR wrote:
> > > > It happens on drive pavement and tire press ok
> > > > It is continuous.
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
front wheels shaking when making a hard turn on hard pavement while in 4 wheel.
Not that my Jeep dealer is any genius.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:420114EF.DAA54F7A@sympatico.ca...
> Umm, around here anyway, 'crabbing' or 'crab walking' is a locked rear
> diff vehicle trying to go up a snowy hill.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Musashi wrote:
> >
> > Yes that is probably "crabbing".
> > I get that on my 99 cherokee as well on sharp turns on dry pavement in 4X4.
> > Doesn't happen on snow or dirt.
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:PAuLd.723$Tt.599@fed1read05...
> > > That it's being driven in 4x4 on pavement is why it's happening. That
> > > particular transfer case is designed for use offroad and that problem
> > > will happen whenever it's driven on any surface that has good traction.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > > JEEPR wrote:
> > > > It happens on drive pavement and tire press ok
> > > > It is continuous.
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
02-02-2005, 02:18 PM
#50
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Re: hopping during turn
Hi Mike,
I don't think you would call the WJ shift linkage, Jeep worthy:
http://www.----------.com/WJshiftlever.pdf
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"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4200E3A5.BEDFEA43@sympatico.ca...
> Now you need to ask just 'how' this lever got bent?
>
> Do you have a snapped off tranny or engine mount? Did it hit
> something? High center on a stump?
>
> I have seen some really twisted up rigs off road and have never heard of
> the shift linkage being 'bent'.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> JEEPR wrote:
> >
> > thanks guys, it was $167 worth of bent lever to take out and
straightened
> > and re install. Pressed for time, she needs it to get to work, so could
not
> > afford down time, also just have the driveway no shelter and although
love
> > to tinker I prefer fairer weather. Once again thanks for all the input.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Matt
> > 0|||||||0
> > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:kO2dnVTjBuNaJGLcRVn-rg@ez2.net...
> > > Well, that's easy to fix.
> > >
> > > The select lever goes through the floor and connects to a shaft. As
you
> > push
> > > and pull the lever, it causes the shaft to slide in and out, selecting
the
> > > available options in the tcase. There is a bolt that attaches (clamps)
the
> > > lever to the shaft, the bolt is loose. The bolt can come loose, then
bind
> > on
> > > the shaft in the incorrect position. Move the selector until N is
> > selected,
> > > not indicated but actually selected. Then losen the bolt so it does
not
> > hold
> > > the lever to the shaft, and move the lever to the N position, then
> > retighten
> > > the bolt. Test and adjust as necessary.
> > >
> > > The bolt can be seen from underneath the vehicle, well, it can be seen
on
> > a
> > > Cherokee and a TJ, I am not certain about the Grand.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "JEEPR" <YJJPS@nospam@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:4CELd.4802$Ck1.853144@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > > > It now appears that the shifter is out of sequence, when selected to
2
> > hi
> > > > indicates part time, when selected part time indicates full time,
when
> > > > selected full time acts like neutral, when selected 4 lo indicates
part
> > > > time
> > > > how's that for weird
> > > >
> > > > Jeff thanks for your help tried the back up thing no joy, don't give
up
> > on
> > > > me if you got anymore hints drop them on me
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > > 0|||||||0
> > > > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > > > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:TISdnRUPo8jL4GPcRVn-jA@ez2.net...
> > > >> You are asking 2 questions here. It is OK to ask two questions, but
I
> > > > wanted
> > > >> you to be sure you understood that.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> 1st, it sounds like you are using 4WD on dry pavement, and the
drive
> > > >> train
> > > >> is binding up. This causes a hop or a wobble in the steering wheel
as
> > the
> > > >> tires try to slip on the ground to release the EXCESSIVE stress you
are
> > > >> putting on it. If you continue to use 4WD on hard pavement, you
WILL
> > > > destroy
> > > >> the tcase. It isn't a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN.
> > > >>
> > > >> 2nd, if the tcase and/or front axles is bound up, then it can
remain in
> > > > 4WD
> > > >> after you have selected 2WD. The way to get out of this bind is to
> > select
> > > >> 2WD (2HI), then go in Reverse for about 25 ft. If the front end is
> > still
> > > >> bound up, repeat Reverse. You might get it to drop out of the bind
if
> > you
> > > >> could find a place on dirt or gravel.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> WHAT IS HAPPENING is that the transfer case can not accomodate the
> > speed
> > > >> differences in the front and rear axles. Because of this
fundamental
> > > > truth,
> > > >> then there will be stress built up in the tcase. If the tires are
on
> > dirt
> > > > or
> > > >> gravel, the stress is released because the tires are slipping.
Because
> > > >> you
> > > >> are driving on the street, the stress can not be released easily
and
> > you
> > > >> feel the buckling and lurching that results from the tires slipping
on
> > > >> the
> > > >> pavement. The differentials (large bulb-shaped parts in the middle
of
> > the
> > > >> axles) accomodate speed differences from left to right. These
> > differences
> > > >
> > > >> come from the outside tire travelling further than the inside tire
> > during
> > > > a
> > > >> turn. The front and rear tires also travel different arcs in a
turn,
> > > >> therefore they also turn at different speeds. So, in 4WD, all four
> > tires
> > > > can
> > > >> turn at different speeds, this is especially true in the hard turns
> > that
> > > > you
> > > >> described in your symptoms. Not only do the left and right side
tires
> > go
> > > >> different speeds, but the front and rear tires go at different
speeds
> > as
> > > >> well. The tcase is not designed to accomodate the differences from
> > front
> > > > to
> > > >> rear, as the differentials are designed to do for right to left.
> > > >>
> > > >> The front axle is connected to the driveshaft via a slip joint kind
of
> > > >> arrangement inside the axle itself. When you select 4WD, either 4HI
or
> > > > 4LO,
> > > >> there is vacuum that is supplied via the transfer case to the front
> > axle.
> > > >> This vacuum activates a fork that moves the slip joint over splines
on
> > > >> the
> > > >> axle shaft. You are describing a symptom where the slip joint is
not
> > > >> releasing. A reason it is not is that the axle shafts are bound up,
and
> > > > you
> > > >> unbind them by going backwards. You do not need speed, in fact
speed is
> > > >> probably problematic for inducing the slip joint to release. You
could
> > > >> experiment with gently turning the steering wheel from side to
side.
> > This
> > > >> will cause the axle halves to go at slightly different speeds, and
the
> > > > slip
> > > >> joint can slip more easily.
> > > >>
> > > >> Your '88 YJ has the same limitations, by the way.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "JEEPR" <YJJPS@nospam@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > > >> news:uPfLd.1748$Ck1.334219@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > > >> > The old ladies 98 grand cherokee is hopping when making sharp rh
or
> > lh
> > > >> > turns. She had not use the 4wd for a while until the recent
snows.
> > > >> > Could it be possible that the 4wd is stuck on even though 2 hi
> > > >> > selected.
> > > >> > Has anyone else experienced this
> > > >> > What would be the cure.
> > > >> > Mike Romain I would value your input on this one.
> > > >> > Thanks to all for assistance.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Have a 88 yj myself and love the tinkering. Just want to make
sure
> > I'm
> > > > on
> > > >> > the right trac.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt
> > > >> > 0|||||||0
> > > >> > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
I don't think you would call the WJ shift linkage, Jeep worthy:
http://www.----------.com/WJshiftlever.pdf
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4200E3A5.BEDFEA43@sympatico.ca...
> Now you need to ask just 'how' this lever got bent?
>
> Do you have a snapped off tranny or engine mount? Did it hit
> something? High center on a stump?
>
> I have seen some really twisted up rigs off road and have never heard of
> the shift linkage being 'bent'.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> JEEPR wrote:
> >
> > thanks guys, it was $167 worth of bent lever to take out and
straightened
> > and re install. Pressed for time, she needs it to get to work, so could
not
> > afford down time, also just have the driveway no shelter and although
love
> > to tinker I prefer fairer weather. Once again thanks for all the input.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Matt
> > 0|||||||0
> > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:kO2dnVTjBuNaJGLcRVn-rg@ez2.net...
> > > Well, that's easy to fix.
> > >
> > > The select lever goes through the floor and connects to a shaft. As
you
> > push
> > > and pull the lever, it causes the shaft to slide in and out, selecting
the
> > > available options in the tcase. There is a bolt that attaches (clamps)
the
> > > lever to the shaft, the bolt is loose. The bolt can come loose, then
bind
> > on
> > > the shaft in the incorrect position. Move the selector until N is
> > selected,
> > > not indicated but actually selected. Then losen the bolt so it does
not
> > hold
> > > the lever to the shaft, and move the lever to the N position, then
> > retighten
> > > the bolt. Test and adjust as necessary.
> > >
> > > The bolt can be seen from underneath the vehicle, well, it can be seen
on
> > a
> > > Cherokee and a TJ, I am not certain about the Grand.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "JEEPR" <YJJPS@nospam@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:4CELd.4802$Ck1.853144@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > > > It now appears that the shifter is out of sequence, when selected to
2
> > hi
> > > > indicates part time, when selected part time indicates full time,
when
> > > > selected full time acts like neutral, when selected 4 lo indicates
part
> > > > time
> > > > how's that for weird
> > > >
> > > > Jeff thanks for your help tried the back up thing no joy, don't give
up
> > on
> > > > me if you got anymore hints drop them on me
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > > 0|||||||0
> > > > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > > > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:TISdnRUPo8jL4GPcRVn-jA@ez2.net...
> > > >> You are asking 2 questions here. It is OK to ask two questions, but
I
> > > > wanted
> > > >> you to be sure you understood that.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> 1st, it sounds like you are using 4WD on dry pavement, and the
drive
> > > >> train
> > > >> is binding up. This causes a hop or a wobble in the steering wheel
as
> > the
> > > >> tires try to slip on the ground to release the EXCESSIVE stress you
are
> > > >> putting on it. If you continue to use 4WD on hard pavement, you
WILL
> > > > destroy
> > > >> the tcase. It isn't a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN.
> > > >>
> > > >> 2nd, if the tcase and/or front axles is bound up, then it can
remain in
> > > > 4WD
> > > >> after you have selected 2WD. The way to get out of this bind is to
> > select
> > > >> 2WD (2HI), then go in Reverse for about 25 ft. If the front end is
> > still
> > > >> bound up, repeat Reverse. You might get it to drop out of the bind
if
> > you
> > > >> could find a place on dirt or gravel.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> WHAT IS HAPPENING is that the transfer case can not accomodate the
> > speed
> > > >> differences in the front and rear axles. Because of this
fundamental
> > > > truth,
> > > >> then there will be stress built up in the tcase. If the tires are
on
> > dirt
> > > > or
> > > >> gravel, the stress is released because the tires are slipping.
Because
> > > >> you
> > > >> are driving on the street, the stress can not be released easily
and
> > you
> > > >> feel the buckling and lurching that results from the tires slipping
on
> > > >> the
> > > >> pavement. The differentials (large bulb-shaped parts in the middle
of
> > the
> > > >> axles) accomodate speed differences from left to right. These
> > differences
> > > >
> > > >> come from the outside tire travelling further than the inside tire
> > during
> > > > a
> > > >> turn. The front and rear tires also travel different arcs in a
turn,
> > > >> therefore they also turn at different speeds. So, in 4WD, all four
> > tires
> > > > can
> > > >> turn at different speeds, this is especially true in the hard turns
> > that
> > > > you
> > > >> described in your symptoms. Not only do the left and right side
tires
> > go
> > > >> different speeds, but the front and rear tires go at different
speeds
> > as
> > > >> well. The tcase is not designed to accomodate the differences from
> > front
> > > > to
> > > >> rear, as the differentials are designed to do for right to left.
> > > >>
> > > >> The front axle is connected to the driveshaft via a slip joint kind
of
> > > >> arrangement inside the axle itself. When you select 4WD, either 4HI
or
> > > > 4LO,
> > > >> there is vacuum that is supplied via the transfer case to the front
> > axle.
> > > >> This vacuum activates a fork that moves the slip joint over splines
on
> > > >> the
> > > >> axle shaft. You are describing a symptom where the slip joint is
not
> > > >> releasing. A reason it is not is that the axle shafts are bound up,
and
> > > > you
> > > >> unbind them by going backwards. You do not need speed, in fact
speed is
> > > >> probably problematic for inducing the slip joint to release. You
could
> > > >> experiment with gently turning the steering wheel from side to
side.
> > This
> > > >> will cause the axle halves to go at slightly different speeds, and
the
> > > > slip
> > > >> joint can slip more easily.
> > > >>
> > > >> Your '88 YJ has the same limitations, by the way.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "JEEPR" <YJJPS@nospam@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > > >> news:uPfLd.1748$Ck1.334219@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > > >> > The old ladies 98 grand cherokee is hopping when making sharp rh
or
> > lh
> > > >> > turns. She had not use the 4wd for a while until the recent
snows.
> > > >> > Could it be possible that the 4wd is stuck on even though 2 hi
> > > >> > selected.
> > > >> > Has anyone else experienced this
> > > >> > What would be the cure.
> > > >> > Mike Romain I would value your input on this one.
> > > >> > Thanks to all for assistance.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Have a 88 yj myself and love the tinkering. Just want to make
sure
> > I'm
> > > > on
> > > >> > the right trac.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt
> > > >> > 0|||||||0
> > > >> > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >