Hi Beams and Fog lights??
09-21-2003, 12:25 PM
#21
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Re: Hi Beams and Fog lights??
Hi Mike:
I haven't burned out any switches. If you are referring to the KC Hilites
Quad Beam Kit, it comes with a relay. If you are referring to having the
fogs come on along with the high beams, it works fine, with no problems.
Tom
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F6DC7FC.B761A706@sympatico.ca...
> How many light switches have you burned out?
>
> If you are going to run more amps than stock through the stock switch,
> you will need a relay or the switch will melt down.
>
> I have to fix this all the time for people. Did a CJ7 last week that
> just had halogen lights in instead of stock sealed beams. His switch
> melted down. I added a relay for him.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> mabar wrote:
> >
> > On the '01 or '02 TJ, to get the fog lights to stay on with the high
beams,
> > follow these instructions:
> >
> > Find the #35 fog lamp relay inside the main fuse box, which is on the
> > passenger side of the engine under the hood. The relay is clearly
marked on
> > a diagram on the inside cover of the main fuse box.
> >
> > Pull the relay straight up and out of the socket. Carefully and slowly
bend
> > the #1 pin (it's marked) 180 degrees around to the side of the plastic
> > relay, so it will not make contact with its female socket when the relay
is
> > re-inserted.
> >
> > Re-insert the relay and you're done. You can now turn on the fogs with
> > either low beam or high beam headlights.
> >
> > On 1997-2000 TJs the relay is located behind the glove box door. You
remove
> > the glove box door and pull relay #2 (the one on the right) and bend pin
#1
> > (it's labeled.) Put the relay back in and test. If you have no fogs you
> > pulled the wrong relay. Just switch them and it should work.
> >
> > On another subject, for those who want more light when the bright
headlights
> > are on, install a KC Hilites Quad Beam Conversion Kit. It's part #6314
at
> > www.kchilites.com. This allows the low beam filaments to stay on along
with
> > the high beam filaments. The factory setup turns off the low filament
when
> > high beams are turned on. It works for 2-headlight systems and
4-headlight
> > systems. I did this on my 1994 Chevy Van, 1999 Chevy Van and my 2002 TJ.
> > Works great.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > "AKJEEPER" <aufevermike@gci.net> wrote in message
> > news:vmp242orcmj414@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Sorry, I meant to say that it is a 99TJ Sport
> > >
> > >
I haven't burned out any switches. If you are referring to the KC Hilites
Quad Beam Kit, it comes with a relay. If you are referring to having the
fogs come on along with the high beams, it works fine, with no problems.
Tom
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F6DC7FC.B761A706@sympatico.ca...
> How many light switches have you burned out?
>
> If you are going to run more amps than stock through the stock switch,
> you will need a relay or the switch will melt down.
>
> I have to fix this all the time for people. Did a CJ7 last week that
> just had halogen lights in instead of stock sealed beams. His switch
> melted down. I added a relay for him.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> mabar wrote:
> >
> > On the '01 or '02 TJ, to get the fog lights to stay on with the high
beams,
> > follow these instructions:
> >
> > Find the #35 fog lamp relay inside the main fuse box, which is on the
> > passenger side of the engine under the hood. The relay is clearly
marked on
> > a diagram on the inside cover of the main fuse box.
> >
> > Pull the relay straight up and out of the socket. Carefully and slowly
bend
> > the #1 pin (it's marked) 180 degrees around to the side of the plastic
> > relay, so it will not make contact with its female socket when the relay
is
> > re-inserted.
> >
> > Re-insert the relay and you're done. You can now turn on the fogs with
> > either low beam or high beam headlights.
> >
> > On 1997-2000 TJs the relay is located behind the glove box door. You
remove
> > the glove box door and pull relay #2 (the one on the right) and bend pin
#1
> > (it's labeled.) Put the relay back in and test. If you have no fogs you
> > pulled the wrong relay. Just switch them and it should work.
> >
> > On another subject, for those who want more light when the bright
headlights
> > are on, install a KC Hilites Quad Beam Conversion Kit. It's part #6314
at
> > www.kchilites.com. This allows the low beam filaments to stay on along
with
> > the high beam filaments. The factory setup turns off the low filament
when
> > high beams are turned on. It works for 2-headlight systems and
4-headlight
> > systems. I did this on my 1994 Chevy Van, 1999 Chevy Van and my 2002 TJ.
> > Works great.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > "AKJEEPER" <aufevermike@gci.net> wrote in message
> > news:vmp242orcmj414@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Sorry, I meant to say that it is a 99TJ Sport
> > >
> > >
09-21-2003, 12:42 PM
#22
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Re: Hi Beams and Fog lights??
Mike:
When driving in really dense fog, most all the light from the headlights is
reflected right back into the drivers eyes. In really dense fog, the
headlights are blinding to the driver.
To my knowledge, driving in dense fog with the parking lights on and
properly adjusted fog lights on is not against the law.
Tom
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F6DC87A.C986FC92@sympatico.ca...
> That is against the law in most places. You have to have the low beams
> on. They point down anyway so don't reflect too much.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> mabar wrote:
> >
> > Fog lights, if adjusted properly, should never blind anybody. Fog lights
> > should be mounted low and if adjusted properly, they throw a low, wide
beam
> > across the road to help "cut through the fog." Running with properly
> > adjusted headlights, and properly adjusted fog lights will not blind
> > anybody.
> >
> > Now, in really dense fog, which is what fog lights are designed for,
> > headlights should be turned off. Just run slowly with parking lights and
fog
> > lights on.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > "Marty" <mmapson57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:vmp2bag9rccjfb@corp.supernews.com...
> > > I just wanted to add this. I like fog lights, they make a vehicle look
a
> > bit
> > > nicer. BUT, fog lights are to be used in the FOG, not while driving
> > around
> > > trying to look cool and heading into oncoming traffic. They are to be
> > > treated just like the high beams, when you are behind someone or
driving
> > > towards someone, shut them OFF. Many people don't read there manuals
and
> > > respect laws on fog lights.
> > >
> > > just my opinion, getting tired of being blinded by four lights coming
at
> > me.
> > >
> > > "AKJEEPER" <aufevermike@gci.net> wrote in message
> > > news:vmo13rbt81nl4e@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > Hey folks,
> > > > I gotta question for ya. I replaced my factory fog lights with
> > Lightforce
> > > > lights but I want them to stay on when I put my high beams on.
Anyone
> > know
> > > > what I need and where to disconnect to keep the lights on when the
hi
> > > beams
> > > > are on?
> > > >
> > > > Thanx,
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
When driving in really dense fog, most all the light from the headlights is
reflected right back into the drivers eyes. In really dense fog, the
headlights are blinding to the driver.
To my knowledge, driving in dense fog with the parking lights on and
properly adjusted fog lights on is not against the law.
Tom
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F6DC87A.C986FC92@sympatico.ca...
> That is against the law in most places. You have to have the low beams
> on. They point down anyway so don't reflect too much.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> mabar wrote:
> >
> > Fog lights, if adjusted properly, should never blind anybody. Fog lights
> > should be mounted low and if adjusted properly, they throw a low, wide
beam
> > across the road to help "cut through the fog." Running with properly
> > adjusted headlights, and properly adjusted fog lights will not blind
> > anybody.
> >
> > Now, in really dense fog, which is what fog lights are designed for,
> > headlights should be turned off. Just run slowly with parking lights and
fog
> > lights on.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > "Marty" <mmapson57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:vmp2bag9rccjfb@corp.supernews.com...
> > > I just wanted to add this. I like fog lights, they make a vehicle look
a
> > bit
> > > nicer. BUT, fog lights are to be used in the FOG, not while driving
> > around
> > > trying to look cool and heading into oncoming traffic. They are to be
> > > treated just like the high beams, when you are behind someone or
driving
> > > towards someone, shut them OFF. Many people don't read there manuals
and
> > > respect laws on fog lights.
> > >
> > > just my opinion, getting tired of being blinded by four lights coming
at
> > me.
> > >
> > > "AKJEEPER" <aufevermike@gci.net> wrote in message
> > > news:vmo13rbt81nl4e@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > Hey folks,
> > > > I gotta question for ya. I replaced my factory fog lights with
> > Lightforce
> > > > lights but I want them to stay on when I put my high beams on.
Anyone
> > know
> > > > what I need and where to disconnect to keep the lights on when the
hi
> > > beams
> > > > are on?
> > > >
> > > > Thanx,
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
09-21-2003, 12:42 PM
#23
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Posts: n/a
Re: Hi Beams and Fog lights??
Mike:
When driving in really dense fog, most all the light from the headlights is
reflected right back into the drivers eyes. In really dense fog, the
headlights are blinding to the driver.
To my knowledge, driving in dense fog with the parking lights on and
properly adjusted fog lights on is not against the law.
Tom
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F6DC87A.C986FC92@sympatico.ca...
> That is against the law in most places. You have to have the low beams
> on. They point down anyway so don't reflect too much.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> mabar wrote:
> >
> > Fog lights, if adjusted properly, should never blind anybody. Fog lights
> > should be mounted low and if adjusted properly, they throw a low, wide
beam
> > across the road to help "cut through the fog." Running with properly
> > adjusted headlights, and properly adjusted fog lights will not blind
> > anybody.
> >
> > Now, in really dense fog, which is what fog lights are designed for,
> > headlights should be turned off. Just run slowly with parking lights and
fog
> > lights on.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > "Marty" <mmapson57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:vmp2bag9rccjfb@corp.supernews.com...
> > > I just wanted to add this. I like fog lights, they make a vehicle look
a
> > bit
> > > nicer. BUT, fog lights are to be used in the FOG, not while driving
> > around
> > > trying to look cool and heading into oncoming traffic. They are to be
> > > treated just like the high beams, when you are behind someone or
driving
> > > towards someone, shut them OFF. Many people don't read there manuals
and
> > > respect laws on fog lights.
> > >
> > > just my opinion, getting tired of being blinded by four lights coming
at
> > me.
> > >
> > > "AKJEEPER" <aufevermike@gci.net> wrote in message
> > > news:vmo13rbt81nl4e@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > Hey folks,
> > > > I gotta question for ya. I replaced my factory fog lights with
> > Lightforce
> > > > lights but I want them to stay on when I put my high beams on.
Anyone
> > know
> > > > what I need and where to disconnect to keep the lights on when the
hi
> > > beams
> > > > are on?
> > > >
> > > > Thanx,
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
When driving in really dense fog, most all the light from the headlights is
reflected right back into the drivers eyes. In really dense fog, the
headlights are blinding to the driver.
To my knowledge, driving in dense fog with the parking lights on and
properly adjusted fog lights on is not against the law.
Tom
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F6DC87A.C986FC92@sympatico.ca...
> That is against the law in most places. You have to have the low beams
> on. They point down anyway so don't reflect too much.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> mabar wrote:
> >
> > Fog lights, if adjusted properly, should never blind anybody. Fog lights
> > should be mounted low and if adjusted properly, they throw a low, wide
beam
> > across the road to help "cut through the fog." Running with properly
> > adjusted headlights, and properly adjusted fog lights will not blind
> > anybody.
> >
> > Now, in really dense fog, which is what fog lights are designed for,
> > headlights should be turned off. Just run slowly with parking lights and
fog
> > lights on.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > "Marty" <mmapson57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:vmp2bag9rccjfb@corp.supernews.com...
> > > I just wanted to add this. I like fog lights, they make a vehicle look
a
> > bit
> > > nicer. BUT, fog lights are to be used in the FOG, not while driving
> > around
> > > trying to look cool and heading into oncoming traffic. They are to be
> > > treated just like the high beams, when you are behind someone or
driving
> > > towards someone, shut them OFF. Many people don't read there manuals
and
> > > respect laws on fog lights.
> > >
> > > just my opinion, getting tired of being blinded by four lights coming
at
> > me.
> > >
> > > "AKJEEPER" <aufevermike@gci.net> wrote in message
> > > news:vmo13rbt81nl4e@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > Hey folks,
> > > > I gotta question for ya. I replaced my factory fog lights with
> > Lightforce
> > > > lights but I want them to stay on when I put my high beams on.
Anyone
> > know
> > > > what I need and where to disconnect to keep the lights on when the
hi
> > > beams
> > > > are on?
> > > >
> > > > Thanx,
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
09-21-2003, 01:04 PM
#24
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Posts: n/a
Re: Hi Beams and Fog lights??
I was talking the kit, didn't see a relay on their website photo.
Mike
mabar wrote:
>
> Hi Mike:
>
> I haven't burned out any switches. If you are referring to the KC Hilites
> Quad Beam Kit, it comes with a relay. If you are referring to having the
> fogs come on along with the high beams, it works fine, with no problems.
>
> Tom
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F6DC7FC.B761A706@sympatico.ca...
> > How many light switches have you burned out?
> >
> > If you are going to run more amps than stock through the stock switch,
> > you will need a relay or the switch will melt down.
> >
> > I have to fix this all the time for people. Did a CJ7 last week that
> > just had halogen lights in instead of stock sealed beams. His switch
> > melted down. I added a relay for him.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > mabar wrote:
> > >
> > > On the '01 or '02 TJ, to get the fog lights to stay on with the high
> beams,
> > > follow these instructions:
> > >
> > > Find the #35 fog lamp relay inside the main fuse box, which is on the
> > > passenger side of the engine under the hood. The relay is clearly
> marked on
> > > a diagram on the inside cover of the main fuse box.
> > >
> > > Pull the relay straight up and out of the socket. Carefully and slowly
> bend
> > > the #1 pin (it's marked) 180 degrees around to the side of the plastic
> > > relay, so it will not make contact with its female socket when the relay
> is
> > > re-inserted.
> > >
> > > Re-insert the relay and you're done. You can now turn on the fogs with
> > > either low beam or high beam headlights.
> > >
> > > On 1997-2000 TJs the relay is located behind the glove box door. You
> remove
> > > the glove box door and pull relay #2 (the one on the right) and bend pin
> #1
> > > (it's labeled.) Put the relay back in and test. If you have no fogs you
> > > pulled the wrong relay. Just switch them and it should work.
> > >
> > > On another subject, for those who want more light when the bright
> headlights
> > > are on, install a KC Hilites Quad Beam Conversion Kit. It's part #6314
> at
> > > www.kchilites.com. This allows the low beam filaments to stay on along
> with
> > > the high beam filaments. The factory setup turns off the low filament
> when
> > > high beams are turned on. It works for 2-headlight systems and
> 4-headlight
> > > systems. I did this on my 1994 Chevy Van, 1999 Chevy Van and my 2002 TJ.
> > > Works great.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > "AKJEEPER" <aufevermike@gci.net> wrote in message
> > > news:vmp242orcmj414@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > Sorry, I meant to say that it is a 99TJ Sport
> > > >
> > > >
Mike
mabar wrote:
>
> Hi Mike:
>
> I haven't burned out any switches. If you are referring to the KC Hilites
> Quad Beam Kit, it comes with a relay. If you are referring to having the
> fogs come on along with the high beams, it works fine, with no problems.
>
> Tom
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F6DC7FC.B761A706@sympatico.ca...
> > How many light switches have you burned out?
> >
> > If you are going to run more amps than stock through the stock switch,
> > you will need a relay or the switch will melt down.
> >
> > I have to fix this all the time for people. Did a CJ7 last week that
> > just had halogen lights in instead of stock sealed beams. His switch
> > melted down. I added a relay for him.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > mabar wrote:
> > >
> > > On the '01 or '02 TJ, to get the fog lights to stay on with the high
> beams,
> > > follow these instructions:
> > >
> > > Find the #35 fog lamp relay inside the main fuse box, which is on the
> > > passenger side of the engine under the hood. The relay is clearly
> marked on
> > > a diagram on the inside cover of the main fuse box.
> > >
> > > Pull the relay straight up and out of the socket. Carefully and slowly
> bend
> > > the #1 pin (it's marked) 180 degrees around to the side of the plastic
> > > relay, so it will not make contact with its female socket when the relay
> is
> > > re-inserted.
> > >
> > > Re-insert the relay and you're done. You can now turn on the fogs with
> > > either low beam or high beam headlights.
> > >
> > > On 1997-2000 TJs the relay is located behind the glove box door. You
> remove
> > > the glove box door and pull relay #2 (the one on the right) and bend pin
> #1
> > > (it's labeled.) Put the relay back in and test. If you have no fogs you
> > > pulled the wrong relay. Just switch them and it should work.
> > >
> > > On another subject, for those who want more light when the bright
> headlights
> > > are on, install a KC Hilites Quad Beam Conversion Kit. It's part #6314
> at
> > > www.kchilites.com. This allows the low beam filaments to stay on along
> with
> > > the high beam filaments. The factory setup turns off the low filament
> when
> > > high beams are turned on. It works for 2-headlight systems and
> 4-headlight
> > > systems. I did this on my 1994 Chevy Van, 1999 Chevy Van and my 2002 TJ.
> > > Works great.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > "AKJEEPER" <aufevermike@gci.net> wrote in message
> > > news:vmp242orcmj414@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > Sorry, I meant to say that it is a 99TJ Sport
> > > >
> > > >
09-21-2003, 01:04 PM
#25
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Hi Beams and Fog lights??
I was talking the kit, didn't see a relay on their website photo.
Mike
mabar wrote:
>
> Hi Mike:
>
> I haven't burned out any switches. If you are referring to the KC Hilites
> Quad Beam Kit, it comes with a relay. If you are referring to having the
> fogs come on along with the high beams, it works fine, with no problems.
>
> Tom
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F6DC7FC.B761A706@sympatico.ca...
> > How many light switches have you burned out?
> >
> > If you are going to run more amps than stock through the stock switch,
> > you will need a relay or the switch will melt down.
> >
> > I have to fix this all the time for people. Did a CJ7 last week that
> > just had halogen lights in instead of stock sealed beams. His switch
> > melted down. I added a relay for him.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > mabar wrote:
> > >
> > > On the '01 or '02 TJ, to get the fog lights to stay on with the high
> beams,
> > > follow these instructions:
> > >
> > > Find the #35 fog lamp relay inside the main fuse box, which is on the
> > > passenger side of the engine under the hood. The relay is clearly
> marked on
> > > a diagram on the inside cover of the main fuse box.
> > >
> > > Pull the relay straight up and out of the socket. Carefully and slowly
> bend
> > > the #1 pin (it's marked) 180 degrees around to the side of the plastic
> > > relay, so it will not make contact with its female socket when the relay
> is
> > > re-inserted.
> > >
> > > Re-insert the relay and you're done. You can now turn on the fogs with
> > > either low beam or high beam headlights.
> > >
> > > On 1997-2000 TJs the relay is located behind the glove box door. You
> remove
> > > the glove box door and pull relay #2 (the one on the right) and bend pin
> #1
> > > (it's labeled.) Put the relay back in and test. If you have no fogs you
> > > pulled the wrong relay. Just switch them and it should work.
> > >
> > > On another subject, for those who want more light when the bright
> headlights
> > > are on, install a KC Hilites Quad Beam Conversion Kit. It's part #6314
> at
> > > www.kchilites.com. This allows the low beam filaments to stay on along
> with
> > > the high beam filaments. The factory setup turns off the low filament
> when
> > > high beams are turned on. It works for 2-headlight systems and
> 4-headlight
> > > systems. I did this on my 1994 Chevy Van, 1999 Chevy Van and my 2002 TJ.
> > > Works great.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > "AKJEEPER" <aufevermike@gci.net> wrote in message
> > > news:vmp242orcmj414@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > Sorry, I meant to say that it is a 99TJ Sport
> > > >
> > > >
Mike
mabar wrote:
>
> Hi Mike:
>
> I haven't burned out any switches. If you are referring to the KC Hilites
> Quad Beam Kit, it comes with a relay. If you are referring to having the
> fogs come on along with the high beams, it works fine, with no problems.
>
> Tom
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F6DC7FC.B761A706@sympatico.ca...
> > How many light switches have you burned out?
> >
> > If you are going to run more amps than stock through the stock switch,
> > you will need a relay or the switch will melt down.
> >
> > I have to fix this all the time for people. Did a CJ7 last week that
> > just had halogen lights in instead of stock sealed beams. His switch
> > melted down. I added a relay for him.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > mabar wrote:
> > >
> > > On the '01 or '02 TJ, to get the fog lights to stay on with the high
> beams,
> > > follow these instructions:
> > >
> > > Find the #35 fog lamp relay inside the main fuse box, which is on the
> > > passenger side of the engine under the hood. The relay is clearly
> marked on
> > > a diagram on the inside cover of the main fuse box.
> > >
> > > Pull the relay straight up and out of the socket. Carefully and slowly
> bend
> > > the #1 pin (it's marked) 180 degrees around to the side of the plastic
> > > relay, so it will not make contact with its female socket when the relay
> is
> > > re-inserted.
> > >
> > > Re-insert the relay and you're done. You can now turn on the fogs with
> > > either low beam or high beam headlights.
> > >
> > > On 1997-2000 TJs the relay is located behind the glove box door. You
> remove
> > > the glove box door and pull relay #2 (the one on the right) and bend pin
> #1
> > > (it's labeled.) Put the relay back in and test. If you have no fogs you
> > > pulled the wrong relay. Just switch them and it should work.
> > >
> > > On another subject, for those who want more light when the bright
> headlights
> > > are on, install a KC Hilites Quad Beam Conversion Kit. It's part #6314
> at
> > > www.kchilites.com. This allows the low beam filaments to stay on along
> with
> > > the high beam filaments. The factory setup turns off the low filament
> when
> > > high beams are turned on. It works for 2-headlight systems and
> 4-headlight
> > > systems. I did this on my 1994 Chevy Van, 1999 Chevy Van and my 2002 TJ.
> > > Works great.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > "AKJEEPER" <aufevermike@gci.net> wrote in message
> > > news:vmp242orcmj414@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > Sorry, I meant to say that it is a 99TJ Sport
> > > >
> > > >
09-21-2003, 01:15 PM
#26
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Posts: n/a
Re: Hi Beams and Fog lights??
Approximately 9/21/03 09:42, mabar uttered for posterity:
> Mike:
>
> When driving in really dense fog, most all the light from the headlights is
> reflected right back into the drivers eyes. In really dense fog, the
> headlights are blinding to the driver.
Not really. All you need is good headlights with good cutoff
patterns so the low beam doesn't scatter back into your face.
Pretty much any good aftermarket will have this, but many newer
standard lights also have cutoff shields.
>
> To my knowledge, driving in dense fog with the parking lights on and
> properly adjusted fog lights on is not against the law.
OK, I had to look it up. In at least one state, there is no
exemption for fog conditions during night hours. Too lazy to
keep looking for daytime fog of the California central valley
tule variety.
> Mike:
>
> When driving in really dense fog, most all the light from the headlights is
> reflected right back into the drivers eyes. In really dense fog, the
> headlights are blinding to the driver.
Not really. All you need is good headlights with good cutoff
patterns so the low beam doesn't scatter back into your face.
Pretty much any good aftermarket will have this, but many newer
standard lights also have cutoff shields.
>
> To my knowledge, driving in dense fog with the parking lights on and
> properly adjusted fog lights on is not against the law.
OK, I had to look it up. In at least one state, there is no
exemption for fog conditions during night hours. Too lazy to
keep looking for daytime fog of the California central valley
tule variety.
09-21-2003, 01:15 PM
#27
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Re: Hi Beams and Fog lights??
Approximately 9/21/03 09:42, mabar uttered for posterity:
> Mike:
>
> When driving in really dense fog, most all the light from the headlights is
> reflected right back into the drivers eyes. In really dense fog, the
> headlights are blinding to the driver.
Not really. All you need is good headlights with good cutoff
patterns so the low beam doesn't scatter back into your face.
Pretty much any good aftermarket will have this, but many newer
standard lights also have cutoff shields.
>
> To my knowledge, driving in dense fog with the parking lights on and
> properly adjusted fog lights on is not against the law.
OK, I had to look it up. In at least one state, there is no
exemption for fog conditions during night hours. Too lazy to
keep looking for daytime fog of the California central valley
tule variety.
> Mike:
>
> When driving in really dense fog, most all the light from the headlights is
> reflected right back into the drivers eyes. In really dense fog, the
> headlights are blinding to the driver.
Not really. All you need is good headlights with good cutoff
patterns so the low beam doesn't scatter back into your face.
Pretty much any good aftermarket will have this, but many newer
standard lights also have cutoff shields.
>
> To my knowledge, driving in dense fog with the parking lights on and
> properly adjusted fog lights on is not against the law.
OK, I had to look it up. In at least one state, there is no
exemption for fog conditions during night hours. Too lazy to
keep looking for daytime fog of the California central valley
tule variety.
09-21-2003, 01:42 PM
#28
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Re: Hi Beams and Fog lights??
Heh, I always thought it was, so I went and looked in the Ontario Canada
rules and sure as ----, you are correct.
Here we can even run 2 orange or yellow fogs and parking lights legally,
let alone white ones. Cool!
Orange fogs and orange park lights are the way to go in real fog...
Mike
mabar wrote:
>
> Mike:
>
> When driving in really dense fog, most all the light from the headlights is
> reflected right back into the drivers eyes. In really dense fog, the
> headlights are blinding to the driver.
>
> To my knowledge, driving in dense fog with the parking lights on and
> properly adjusted fog lights on is not against the law.
>
> Tom
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F6DC87A.C986FC92@sympatico.ca...
> > That is against the law in most places. You have to have the low beams
> > on. They point down anyway so don't reflect too much.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > mabar wrote:
> > >
> > > Fog lights, if adjusted properly, should never blind anybody. Fog lights
> > > should be mounted low and if adjusted properly, they throw a low, wide
> beam
> > > across the road to help "cut through the fog." Running with properly
> > > adjusted headlights, and properly adjusted fog lights will not blind
> > > anybody.
> > >
> > > Now, in really dense fog, which is what fog lights are designed for,
> > > headlights should be turned off. Just run slowly with parking lights and
> fog
> > > lights on.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > "Marty" <mmapson57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:vmp2bag9rccjfb@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > I just wanted to add this. I like fog lights, they make a vehicle look
> a
> > > bit
> > > > nicer. BUT, fog lights are to be used in the FOG, not while driving
> > > around
> > > > trying to look cool and heading into oncoming traffic. They are to be
> > > > treated just like the high beams, when you are behind someone or
> driving
> > > > towards someone, shut them OFF. Many people don't read there manuals
> and
> > > > respect laws on fog lights.
> > > >
> > > > just my opinion, getting tired of being blinded by four lights coming
> at
> > > me.
> > > >
> > > > "AKJEEPER" <aufevermike@gci.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:vmo13rbt81nl4e@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > Hey folks,
> > > > > I gotta question for ya. I replaced my factory fog lights with
> > > Lightforce
> > > > > lights but I want them to stay on when I put my high beams on.
> Anyone
> > > know
> > > > > what I need and where to disconnect to keep the lights on when the
> hi
> > > > beams
> > > > > are on?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanx,
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
rules and sure as ----, you are correct.
Here we can even run 2 orange or yellow fogs and parking lights legally,
let alone white ones. Cool!
Orange fogs and orange park lights are the way to go in real fog...
Mike
mabar wrote:
>
> Mike:
>
> When driving in really dense fog, most all the light from the headlights is
> reflected right back into the drivers eyes. In really dense fog, the
> headlights are blinding to the driver.
>
> To my knowledge, driving in dense fog with the parking lights on and
> properly adjusted fog lights on is not against the law.
>
> Tom
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F6DC87A.C986FC92@sympatico.ca...
> > That is against the law in most places. You have to have the low beams
> > on. They point down anyway so don't reflect too much.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > mabar wrote:
> > >
> > > Fog lights, if adjusted properly, should never blind anybody. Fog lights
> > > should be mounted low and if adjusted properly, they throw a low, wide
> beam
> > > across the road to help "cut through the fog." Running with properly
> > > adjusted headlights, and properly adjusted fog lights will not blind
> > > anybody.
> > >
> > > Now, in really dense fog, which is what fog lights are designed for,
> > > headlights should be turned off. Just run slowly with parking lights and
> fog
> > > lights on.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > "Marty" <mmapson57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:vmp2bag9rccjfb@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > I just wanted to add this. I like fog lights, they make a vehicle look
> a
> > > bit
> > > > nicer. BUT, fog lights are to be used in the FOG, not while driving
> > > around
> > > > trying to look cool and heading into oncoming traffic. They are to be
> > > > treated just like the high beams, when you are behind someone or
> driving
> > > > towards someone, shut them OFF. Many people don't read there manuals
> and
> > > > respect laws on fog lights.
> > > >
> > > > just my opinion, getting tired of being blinded by four lights coming
> at
> > > me.
> > > >
> > > > "AKJEEPER" <aufevermike@gci.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:vmo13rbt81nl4e@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > Hey folks,
> > > > > I gotta question for ya. I replaced my factory fog lights with
> > > Lightforce
> > > > > lights but I want them to stay on when I put my high beams on.
> Anyone
> > > know
> > > > > what I need and where to disconnect to keep the lights on when the
> hi
> > > > beams
> > > > > are on?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanx,
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
09-21-2003, 01:42 PM
#29
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Hi Beams and Fog lights??
Heh, I always thought it was, so I went and looked in the Ontario Canada
rules and sure as ----, you are correct.
Here we can even run 2 orange or yellow fogs and parking lights legally,
let alone white ones. Cool!
Orange fogs and orange park lights are the way to go in real fog...
Mike
mabar wrote:
>
> Mike:
>
> When driving in really dense fog, most all the light from the headlights is
> reflected right back into the drivers eyes. In really dense fog, the
> headlights are blinding to the driver.
>
> To my knowledge, driving in dense fog with the parking lights on and
> properly adjusted fog lights on is not against the law.
>
> Tom
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F6DC87A.C986FC92@sympatico.ca...
> > That is against the law in most places. You have to have the low beams
> > on. They point down anyway so don't reflect too much.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > mabar wrote:
> > >
> > > Fog lights, if adjusted properly, should never blind anybody. Fog lights
> > > should be mounted low and if adjusted properly, they throw a low, wide
> beam
> > > across the road to help "cut through the fog." Running with properly
> > > adjusted headlights, and properly adjusted fog lights will not blind
> > > anybody.
> > >
> > > Now, in really dense fog, which is what fog lights are designed for,
> > > headlights should be turned off. Just run slowly with parking lights and
> fog
> > > lights on.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > "Marty" <mmapson57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:vmp2bag9rccjfb@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > I just wanted to add this. I like fog lights, they make a vehicle look
> a
> > > bit
> > > > nicer. BUT, fog lights are to be used in the FOG, not while driving
> > > around
> > > > trying to look cool and heading into oncoming traffic. They are to be
> > > > treated just like the high beams, when you are behind someone or
> driving
> > > > towards someone, shut them OFF. Many people don't read there manuals
> and
> > > > respect laws on fog lights.
> > > >
> > > > just my opinion, getting tired of being blinded by four lights coming
> at
> > > me.
> > > >
> > > > "AKJEEPER" <aufevermike@gci.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:vmo13rbt81nl4e@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > Hey folks,
> > > > > I gotta question for ya. I replaced my factory fog lights with
> > > Lightforce
> > > > > lights but I want them to stay on when I put my high beams on.
> Anyone
> > > know
> > > > > what I need and where to disconnect to keep the lights on when the
> hi
> > > > beams
> > > > > are on?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanx,
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
rules and sure as ----, you are correct.
Here we can even run 2 orange or yellow fogs and parking lights legally,
let alone white ones. Cool!
Orange fogs and orange park lights are the way to go in real fog...
Mike
mabar wrote:
>
> Mike:
>
> When driving in really dense fog, most all the light from the headlights is
> reflected right back into the drivers eyes. In really dense fog, the
> headlights are blinding to the driver.
>
> To my knowledge, driving in dense fog with the parking lights on and
> properly adjusted fog lights on is not against the law.
>
> Tom
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F6DC87A.C986FC92@sympatico.ca...
> > That is against the law in most places. You have to have the low beams
> > on. They point down anyway so don't reflect too much.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > mabar wrote:
> > >
> > > Fog lights, if adjusted properly, should never blind anybody. Fog lights
> > > should be mounted low and if adjusted properly, they throw a low, wide
> beam
> > > across the road to help "cut through the fog." Running with properly
> > > adjusted headlights, and properly adjusted fog lights will not blind
> > > anybody.
> > >
> > > Now, in really dense fog, which is what fog lights are designed for,
> > > headlights should be turned off. Just run slowly with parking lights and
> fog
> > > lights on.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > "Marty" <mmapson57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:vmp2bag9rccjfb@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > I just wanted to add this. I like fog lights, they make a vehicle look
> a
> > > bit
> > > > nicer. BUT, fog lights are to be used in the FOG, not while driving
> > > around
> > > > trying to look cool and heading into oncoming traffic. They are to be
> > > > treated just like the high beams, when you are behind someone or
> driving
> > > > towards someone, shut them OFF. Many people don't read there manuals
> and
> > > > respect laws on fog lights.
> > > >
> > > > just my opinion, getting tired of being blinded by four lights coming
> at
> > > me.
> > > >
> > > > "AKJEEPER" <aufevermike@gci.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:vmo13rbt81nl4e@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > Hey folks,
> > > > > I gotta question for ya. I replaced my factory fog lights with
> > > Lightforce
> > > > > lights but I want them to stay on when I put my high beams on.
> Anyone
> > > know
> > > > > what I need and where to disconnect to keep the lights on when the
> hi
> > > > beams
> > > > > are on?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanx,
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
09-21-2003, 07:07 PM
#30
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Hi Beams and Fog lights??
In Ohio, the law allows a maximum of five headlights or auxiliary lights on
at one time.
"(A) Whenever a motor vehicle equipped with headlights also is equipped with
any auxiliary lights or spotlight or any other light on the front thereof
projecting a beam of an intensity greater than three hundred candle power,
not more than a total of five of any such lights on the front of a vehicle
shall be lighted at any one time when the vehicle is upon a highway."
Tom
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F6DE319.B37E8C07@sympatico.ca...
> Heh, I always thought it was, so I went and looked in the Ontario Canada
> rules and sure as ----, you are correct.
>
> Here we can even run 2 orange or yellow fogs and parking lights legally,
> let alone white ones. Cool!
>
> Orange fogs and orange park lights are the way to go in real fog...
>
> Mike
>
> mabar wrote:
> >
> > Mike:
> >
> > When driving in really dense fog, most all the light from the headlights
is
> > reflected right back into the drivers eyes. In really dense fog, the
> > headlights are blinding to the driver.
> >
> > To my knowledge, driving in dense fog with the parking lights on and
> > properly adjusted fog lights on is not against the law.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3F6DC87A.C986FC92@sympatico.ca...
> > > That is against the law in most places. You have to have the low
beams
> > > on. They point down anyway so don't reflect too much.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > mabar wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Fog lights, if adjusted properly, should never blind anybody. Fog
lights
> > > > should be mounted low and if adjusted properly, they throw a low,
wide
> > beam
> > > > across the road to help "cut through the fog." Running with properly
> > > > adjusted headlights, and properly adjusted fog lights will not blind
> > > > anybody.
> > > >
> > > > Now, in really dense fog, which is what fog lights are designed for,
> > > > headlights should be turned off. Just run slowly with parking lights
and
> > fog
> > > > lights on.
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > > "Marty" <mmapson57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:vmp2bag9rccjfb@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > I just wanted to add this. I like fog lights, they make a vehicle
look
> > a
> > > > bit
> > > > > nicer. BUT, fog lights are to be used in the FOG, not while
driving
> > > > around
> > > > > trying to look cool and heading into oncoming traffic. They are
to be
> > > > > treated just like the high beams, when you are behind someone or
> > driving
> > > > > towards someone, shut them OFF. Many people don't read there
manuals
> > and
> > > > > respect laws on fog lights.
> > > > >
> > > > > just my opinion, getting tired of being blinded by four lights
coming
> > at
> > > > me.
> > > > >
> > > > > "AKJEEPER" <aufevermike@gci.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:vmo13rbt81nl4e@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > > Hey folks,
> > > > > > I gotta question for ya. I replaced my factory fog lights with
> > > > Lightforce
> > > > > > lights but I want them to stay on when I put my high beams on.
> > Anyone
> > > > know
> > > > > > what I need and where to disconnect to keep the lights on when
the
> > hi
> > > > > beams
> > > > > > are on?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanx,
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
at one time.
"(A) Whenever a motor vehicle equipped with headlights also is equipped with
any auxiliary lights or spotlight or any other light on the front thereof
projecting a beam of an intensity greater than three hundred candle power,
not more than a total of five of any such lights on the front of a vehicle
shall be lighted at any one time when the vehicle is upon a highway."
Tom
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F6DE319.B37E8C07@sympatico.ca...
> Heh, I always thought it was, so I went and looked in the Ontario Canada
> rules and sure as ----, you are correct.
>
> Here we can even run 2 orange or yellow fogs and parking lights legally,
> let alone white ones. Cool!
>
> Orange fogs and orange park lights are the way to go in real fog...
>
> Mike
>
> mabar wrote:
> >
> > Mike:
> >
> > When driving in really dense fog, most all the light from the headlights
is
> > reflected right back into the drivers eyes. In really dense fog, the
> > headlights are blinding to the driver.
> >
> > To my knowledge, driving in dense fog with the parking lights on and
> > properly adjusted fog lights on is not against the law.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3F6DC87A.C986FC92@sympatico.ca...
> > > That is against the law in most places. You have to have the low
beams
> > > on. They point down anyway so don't reflect too much.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > mabar wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Fog lights, if adjusted properly, should never blind anybody. Fog
lights
> > > > should be mounted low and if adjusted properly, they throw a low,
wide
> > beam
> > > > across the road to help "cut through the fog." Running with properly
> > > > adjusted headlights, and properly adjusted fog lights will not blind
> > > > anybody.
> > > >
> > > > Now, in really dense fog, which is what fog lights are designed for,
> > > > headlights should be turned off. Just run slowly with parking lights
and
> > fog
> > > > lights on.
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > > "Marty" <mmapson57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:vmp2bag9rccjfb@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > I just wanted to add this. I like fog lights, they make a vehicle
look
> > a
> > > > bit
> > > > > nicer. BUT, fog lights are to be used in the FOG, not while
driving
> > > > around
> > > > > trying to look cool and heading into oncoming traffic. They are
to be
> > > > > treated just like the high beams, when you are behind someone or
> > driving
> > > > > towards someone, shut them OFF. Many people don't read there
manuals
> > and
> > > > > respect laws on fog lights.
> > > > >
> > > > > just my opinion, getting tired of being blinded by four lights
coming
> > at
> > > > me.
> > > > >
> > > > > "AKJEEPER" <aufevermike@gci.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:vmo13rbt81nl4e@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > > Hey folks,
> > > > > > I gotta question for ya. I replaced my factory fog lights with
> > > > Lightforce
> > > > > > lights but I want them to stay on when I put my high beams on.
> > Anyone
> > > > know
> > > > > > what I need and where to disconnect to keep the lights on when
the
> > hi
> > > > > beams
> > > > > > are on?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanx,
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
