Help, VWDOC! 96 xj pings at idel
09-09-2004, 10:00 PM
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Re: Help, VWDOC! 96 xj pings at idel RESOLVED
dave AKA vwdoc1 did pass the time by typing:
> would the timing light help? What would it do?
Even though the base timing isn't adjustable you
can still look at the timing mark and see where it
lined up. In this case it would have been too far
advanced. (about 9 degrees)
--
DougW
> would the timing light help? What would it do?
Even though the base timing isn't adjustable you
can still look at the timing mark and see where it
lined up. In this case it would have been too far
advanced. (about 9 degrees)
--
DougW
09-09-2004, 10:00 PM
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Re: Help, VWDOC! 96 xj pings at idel RESOLVED
dave AKA vwdoc1 did pass the time by typing:
> would the timing light help? What would it do?
Even though the base timing isn't adjustable you
can still look at the timing mark and see where it
lined up. In this case it would have been too far
advanced. (about 9 degrees)
--
DougW
> would the timing light help? What would it do?
Even though the base timing isn't adjustable you
can still look at the timing mark and see where it
lined up. In this case it would have been too far
advanced. (about 9 degrees)
--
DougW
09-10-2004, 03:11 AM
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Re: Help, VWDOC! 96 xj pings at idel RESOLVED
In message <iV70d.10896$OZ6.7595@okepread06>, "DougW" wrote:
>dave AKA vwdoc1 did pass the time by typing:
>> would the timing light help? What would it do?
>
>Even though the base timing isn't adjustable you
>can still look at the timing mark and see where it
>lined up. In this case it would have been too far
>advanced. (about 9 degrees)
You can't change ignition timing at the distributor. Only where the rotor is
pointing when the coil fires, which could cause cross-fire. When the coil fires
is determined by crank position, which is learned from the crank sensor.
This would mess with injection timing though, which is a whole different bag of
worms.
>dave AKA vwdoc1 did pass the time by typing:
>> would the timing light help? What would it do?
>
>Even though the base timing isn't adjustable you
>can still look at the timing mark and see where it
>lined up. In this case it would have been too far
>advanced. (about 9 degrees)
You can't change ignition timing at the distributor. Only where the rotor is
pointing when the coil fires, which could cause cross-fire. When the coil fires
is determined by crank position, which is learned from the crank sensor.
This would mess with injection timing though, which is a whole different bag of
worms.
09-10-2004, 03:11 AM
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Re: Help, VWDOC! 96 xj pings at idel RESOLVED
In message <iV70d.10896$OZ6.7595@okepread06>, "DougW" wrote:
>dave AKA vwdoc1 did pass the time by typing:
>> would the timing light help? What would it do?
>
>Even though the base timing isn't adjustable you
>can still look at the timing mark and see where it
>lined up. In this case it would have been too far
>advanced. (about 9 degrees)
You can't change ignition timing at the distributor. Only where the rotor is
pointing when the coil fires, which could cause cross-fire. When the coil fires
is determined by crank position, which is learned from the crank sensor.
This would mess with injection timing though, which is a whole different bag of
worms.
>dave AKA vwdoc1 did pass the time by typing:
>> would the timing light help? What would it do?
>
>Even though the base timing isn't adjustable you
>can still look at the timing mark and see where it
>lined up. In this case it would have been too far
>advanced. (about 9 degrees)
You can't change ignition timing at the distributor. Only where the rotor is
pointing when the coil fires, which could cause cross-fire. When the coil fires
is determined by crank position, which is learned from the crank sensor.
This would mess with injection timing though, which is a whole different bag of
worms.
09-10-2004, 03:11 AM
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Re: Help, VWDOC! 96 xj pings at idel RESOLVED
In message <iV70d.10896$OZ6.7595@okepread06>, "DougW" wrote:
>dave AKA vwdoc1 did pass the time by typing:
>> would the timing light help? What would it do?
>
>Even though the base timing isn't adjustable you
>can still look at the timing mark and see where it
>lined up. In this case it would have been too far
>advanced. (about 9 degrees)
You can't change ignition timing at the distributor. Only where the rotor is
pointing when the coil fires, which could cause cross-fire. When the coil fires
is determined by crank position, which is learned from the crank sensor.
This would mess with injection timing though, which is a whole different bag of
worms.
>dave AKA vwdoc1 did pass the time by typing:
>> would the timing light help? What would it do?
>
>Even though the base timing isn't adjustable you
>can still look at the timing mark and see where it
>lined up. In this case it would have been too far
>advanced. (about 9 degrees)
You can't change ignition timing at the distributor. Only where the rotor is
pointing when the coil fires, which could cause cross-fire. When the coil fires
is determined by crank position, which is learned from the crank sensor.
This would mess with injection timing though, which is a whole different bag of
worms.
09-10-2004, 11:58 PM
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Re: Help, VWDOC! 96 xj pings at idel RESOLVED
That is what I thought too bllsht!
But I am always ready to learn new stuff! <g>
I would think that the ign. timing would/could change due to CPS, CTS,
vacuum and the TPS.
I would be interested in finding out how to electronic set the fuel injector
timing to get the best power and mileage though!!!!
later,
dave AKA vwdoc1
"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
news:k2k2k09pflts8v3t9mmb0n0rt4l8c9mk37@4ax.com...
> In message <iV70d.10896$OZ6.7595@okepread06>, "DougW" wrote:
>
>>dave AKA vwdoc1 did pass the time by typing:
>>> would the timing light help? What would it do?
>>
>>Even though the base timing isn't adjustable you
>>can still look at the timing mark and see where it
>>lined up. In this case it would have been too far
>>advanced. (about 9 degrees)
>
> You can't change ignition timing at the distributor. Only where the rotor
> is
> pointing when the coil fires, which could cause cross-fire. When the coil
> fires
> is determined by crank position, which is learned from the crank sensor.
>
> This would mess with injection timing though, which is a whole different
> bag of
> worms.
>
But I am always ready to learn new stuff! <g>
I would think that the ign. timing would/could change due to CPS, CTS,
vacuum and the TPS.
I would be interested in finding out how to electronic set the fuel injector
timing to get the best power and mileage though!!!!
later,
dave AKA vwdoc1
"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
news:k2k2k09pflts8v3t9mmb0n0rt4l8c9mk37@4ax.com...
> In message <iV70d.10896$OZ6.7595@okepread06>, "DougW" wrote:
>
>>dave AKA vwdoc1 did pass the time by typing:
>>> would the timing light help? What would it do?
>>
>>Even though the base timing isn't adjustable you
>>can still look at the timing mark and see where it
>>lined up. In this case it would have been too far
>>advanced. (about 9 degrees)
>
> You can't change ignition timing at the distributor. Only where the rotor
> is
> pointing when the coil fires, which could cause cross-fire. When the coil
> fires
> is determined by crank position, which is learned from the crank sensor.
>
> This would mess with injection timing though, which is a whole different
> bag of
> worms.
>
09-10-2004, 11:58 PM
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Re: Help, VWDOC! 96 xj pings at idel RESOLVED
That is what I thought too bllsht!
But I am always ready to learn new stuff! <g>
I would think that the ign. timing would/could change due to CPS, CTS,
vacuum and the TPS.
I would be interested in finding out how to electronic set the fuel injector
timing to get the best power and mileage though!!!!
later,
dave AKA vwdoc1
"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
news:k2k2k09pflts8v3t9mmb0n0rt4l8c9mk37@4ax.com...
> In message <iV70d.10896$OZ6.7595@okepread06>, "DougW" wrote:
>
>>dave AKA vwdoc1 did pass the time by typing:
>>> would the timing light help? What would it do?
>>
>>Even though the base timing isn't adjustable you
>>can still look at the timing mark and see where it
>>lined up. In this case it would have been too far
>>advanced. (about 9 degrees)
>
> You can't change ignition timing at the distributor. Only where the rotor
> is
> pointing when the coil fires, which could cause cross-fire. When the coil
> fires
> is determined by crank position, which is learned from the crank sensor.
>
> This would mess with injection timing though, which is a whole different
> bag of
> worms.
>
But I am always ready to learn new stuff! <g>
I would think that the ign. timing would/could change due to CPS, CTS,
vacuum and the TPS.
I would be interested in finding out how to electronic set the fuel injector
timing to get the best power and mileage though!!!!
later,
dave AKA vwdoc1
"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
news:k2k2k09pflts8v3t9mmb0n0rt4l8c9mk37@4ax.com...
> In message <iV70d.10896$OZ6.7595@okepread06>, "DougW" wrote:
>
>>dave AKA vwdoc1 did pass the time by typing:
>>> would the timing light help? What would it do?
>>
>>Even though the base timing isn't adjustable you
>>can still look at the timing mark and see where it
>>lined up. In this case it would have been too far
>>advanced. (about 9 degrees)
>
> You can't change ignition timing at the distributor. Only where the rotor
> is
> pointing when the coil fires, which could cause cross-fire. When the coil
> fires
> is determined by crank position, which is learned from the crank sensor.
>
> This would mess with injection timing though, which is a whole different
> bag of
> worms.
>
09-10-2004, 11:58 PM
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Re: Help, VWDOC! 96 xj pings at idel RESOLVED
That is what I thought too bllsht!
But I am always ready to learn new stuff! <g>
I would think that the ign. timing would/could change due to CPS, CTS,
vacuum and the TPS.
I would be interested in finding out how to electronic set the fuel injector
timing to get the best power and mileage though!!!!
later,
dave AKA vwdoc1
"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
news:k2k2k09pflts8v3t9mmb0n0rt4l8c9mk37@4ax.com...
> In message <iV70d.10896$OZ6.7595@okepread06>, "DougW" wrote:
>
>>dave AKA vwdoc1 did pass the time by typing:
>>> would the timing light help? What would it do?
>>
>>Even though the base timing isn't adjustable you
>>can still look at the timing mark and see where it
>>lined up. In this case it would have been too far
>>advanced. (about 9 degrees)
>
> You can't change ignition timing at the distributor. Only where the rotor
> is
> pointing when the coil fires, which could cause cross-fire. When the coil
> fires
> is determined by crank position, which is learned from the crank sensor.
>
> This would mess with injection timing though, which is a whole different
> bag of
> worms.
>
But I am always ready to learn new stuff! <g>
I would think that the ign. timing would/could change due to CPS, CTS,
vacuum and the TPS.
I would be interested in finding out how to electronic set the fuel injector
timing to get the best power and mileage though!!!!
later,
dave AKA vwdoc1
"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
news:k2k2k09pflts8v3t9mmb0n0rt4l8c9mk37@4ax.com...
> In message <iV70d.10896$OZ6.7595@okepread06>, "DougW" wrote:
>
>>dave AKA vwdoc1 did pass the time by typing:
>>> would the timing light help? What would it do?
>>
>>Even though the base timing isn't adjustable you
>>can still look at the timing mark and see where it
>>lined up. In this case it would have been too far
>>advanced. (about 9 degrees)
>
> You can't change ignition timing at the distributor. Only where the rotor
> is
> pointing when the coil fires, which could cause cross-fire. When the coil
> fires
> is determined by crank position, which is learned from the crank sensor.
>
> This would mess with injection timing though, which is a whole different
> bag of
> worms.
>
09-11-2004, 02:19 AM
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Re: Help, VWDOC! 96 xj pings at idel RESOLVED
In message <4Ku0d.7374$sa7.6640@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com> , "dave AKA vwdoc1"
wrote:
>That is what I thought too bllsht!
>But I am always ready to learn new stuff! <g>
>
>I would think that the ign. timing would/could change due to CPS, CTS,
>vacuum and the TPS.
That's right, the computer will use those inputs to alter ignition timing for
the current conditions.
>
>I would be interested in finding out how to electronic set the fuel injector
>timing to get the best power and mileage though!!!!
Not being an engineer, I'd be interested in seeing how they come up with this
stuff, but I don't think it would be worth trying to re-invent the wheel. You
can bet the manufacturers do as much as they can to get the best combustion they
can already.
>
>later,
>dave AKA vwdoc1
>
>"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
>news:k2k2k09pflts8v3t9mmb0n0rt4l8c9mk37@4ax.com.. .
>> In message <iV70d.10896$OZ6.7595@okepread06>, "DougW" wrote:
>>
>>>dave AKA vwdoc1 did pass the time by typing:
>>>> would the timing light help? What would it do?
>>>
>>>Even though the base timing isn't adjustable you
>>>can still look at the timing mark and see where it
>>>lined up. In this case it would have been too far
>>>advanced. (about 9 degrees)
>>
>> You can't change ignition timing at the distributor. Only where the rotor
>> is
>> pointing when the coil fires, which could cause cross-fire. When the coil
>> fires
>> is determined by crank position, which is learned from the crank sensor.
>>
>> This would mess with injection timing though, which is a whole different
>> bag of
>> worms.
>>
>
wrote:
>That is what I thought too bllsht!
>But I am always ready to learn new stuff! <g>
>
>I would think that the ign. timing would/could change due to CPS, CTS,
>vacuum and the TPS.
That's right, the computer will use those inputs to alter ignition timing for
the current conditions.
>
>I would be interested in finding out how to electronic set the fuel injector
>timing to get the best power and mileage though!!!!
Not being an engineer, I'd be interested in seeing how they come up with this
stuff, but I don't think it would be worth trying to re-invent the wheel. You
can bet the manufacturers do as much as they can to get the best combustion they
can already.
>
>later,
>dave AKA vwdoc1
>
>"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
>news:k2k2k09pflts8v3t9mmb0n0rt4l8c9mk37@4ax.com.. .
>> In message <iV70d.10896$OZ6.7595@okepread06>, "DougW" wrote:
>>
>>>dave AKA vwdoc1 did pass the time by typing:
>>>> would the timing light help? What would it do?
>>>
>>>Even though the base timing isn't adjustable you
>>>can still look at the timing mark and see where it
>>>lined up. In this case it would have been too far
>>>advanced. (about 9 degrees)
>>
>> You can't change ignition timing at the distributor. Only where the rotor
>> is
>> pointing when the coil fires, which could cause cross-fire. When the coil
>> fires
>> is determined by crank position, which is learned from the crank sensor.
>>
>> This would mess with injection timing though, which is a whole different
>> bag of
>> worms.
>>
>
09-11-2004, 02:19 AM
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Re: Help, VWDOC! 96 xj pings at idel RESOLVED
In message <4Ku0d.7374$sa7.6640@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com> , "dave AKA vwdoc1"
wrote:
>That is what I thought too bllsht!
>But I am always ready to learn new stuff! <g>
>
>I would think that the ign. timing would/could change due to CPS, CTS,
>vacuum and the TPS.
That's right, the computer will use those inputs to alter ignition timing for
the current conditions.
>
>I would be interested in finding out how to electronic set the fuel injector
>timing to get the best power and mileage though!!!!
Not being an engineer, I'd be interested in seeing how they come up with this
stuff, but I don't think it would be worth trying to re-invent the wheel. You
can bet the manufacturers do as much as they can to get the best combustion they
can already.
>
>later,
>dave AKA vwdoc1
>
>"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
>news:k2k2k09pflts8v3t9mmb0n0rt4l8c9mk37@4ax.com.. .
>> In message <iV70d.10896$OZ6.7595@okepread06>, "DougW" wrote:
>>
>>>dave AKA vwdoc1 did pass the time by typing:
>>>> would the timing light help? What would it do?
>>>
>>>Even though the base timing isn't adjustable you
>>>can still look at the timing mark and see where it
>>>lined up. In this case it would have been too far
>>>advanced. (about 9 degrees)
>>
>> You can't change ignition timing at the distributor. Only where the rotor
>> is
>> pointing when the coil fires, which could cause cross-fire. When the coil
>> fires
>> is determined by crank position, which is learned from the crank sensor.
>>
>> This would mess with injection timing though, which is a whole different
>> bag of
>> worms.
>>
>
wrote:
>That is what I thought too bllsht!
>But I am always ready to learn new stuff! <g>
>
>I would think that the ign. timing would/could change due to CPS, CTS,
>vacuum and the TPS.
That's right, the computer will use those inputs to alter ignition timing for
the current conditions.
>
>I would be interested in finding out how to electronic set the fuel injector
>timing to get the best power and mileage though!!!!
Not being an engineer, I'd be interested in seeing how they come up with this
stuff, but I don't think it would be worth trying to re-invent the wheel. You
can bet the manufacturers do as much as they can to get the best combustion they
can already.
>
>later,
>dave AKA vwdoc1
>
>"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
>news:k2k2k09pflts8v3t9mmb0n0rt4l8c9mk37@4ax.com.. .
>> In message <iV70d.10896$OZ6.7595@okepread06>, "DougW" wrote:
>>
>>>dave AKA vwdoc1 did pass the time by typing:
>>>> would the timing light help? What would it do?
>>>
>>>Even though the base timing isn't adjustable you
>>>can still look at the timing mark and see where it
>>>lined up. In this case it would have been too far
>>>advanced. (about 9 degrees)
>>
>> You can't change ignition timing at the distributor. Only where the rotor
>> is
>> pointing when the coil fires, which could cause cross-fire. When the coil
>> fires
>> is determined by crank position, which is learned from the crank sensor.
>>
>> This would mess with injection timing though, which is a whole different
>> bag of
>> worms.
>>
>