Heated Garage or not?
12-02-2004, 02:22 PM
#61
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Re: Heated Garage or not?
Yell louder, Mike. We just had a retired fireman die from CO
poisoning when he left his Jeep idling in the garage. No one knows
exactly how it all came down, but he apparently pulled in, closed the
garage door, and forgot the engine was running. He died on an
upstairs couch.
Coleman makes it very clear that even a tent requires some sort of
flue if you use their heater - folks die all the time running a
gas/kerosene heater inside a closed tent. My 8-man tent even has a
flap at the top for a vent hole and an air inlet flap in the back
wall. I always wonder how people could be so dumb until I remember
that not everyone grew up in a time/place where heaters like this were
common, along with associated deaths.
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:05:14 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> I have a couple and have used hundreds over the years as well as propane
> ones.
>
> You know, they all have this funny label on them that says to 'never use
> in a closed area without providing fresh air'. It even says 'how much'
> (40 square inches) fresh air is needed on my Coleman heaters.
>
> I am in Canada and we are very aware up here about how dangerous heaters
> are. Folks die every winter from using them, especially in power
> outages.
>
> They are deadly if used wrong, what else can be said.
>
> Mike
>
> FrankW wrote:
> >
> > Funny that they sell those heaters when they are that dangerous
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > > I sure wouldn't run one even in a leaky garage without a CO monitor or a
> > > door cracked open.
> > >
> > > Most garage doors that I have seen crack open at the top at the same
> > > time or even faster as the bottom gets cracked open, so it only needs a
> > > little opening to be effective. In this case the gas wouldn't be
> > > trapped up high. That is what the last poster was talking about.
> > >
> > > The OP was talking about an insulated garage that likely is pretty air
> > > tight.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > JimG wrote:
> > >
> > >>You might be over-protective. I have been using a kerosene heater in my
> > >>garage for years, and don't even crack the door... I ain't dead yet! (but my
> > >>garage doors as most, don't seal air tight and do allow some fresh air in).
> > >>
> > >>A properly maintained heater does not emit that much CO. After all, CO is a
> > >>product of incomplete combustion.
> > >>
> > >>"since CO is lighter than air, can KILL YOU" - Since when dose the specific
> > >>gravity a gas have anything to do with whether it fatal or not? CO is
> > >>actually very close to density as that of air.
> > >>
> > >>http://www.coheadquarters.com/coproperties.htm
> > >>
> > >>--
> > >>JimG
> > >>80' CJ-7 258 CID, HEI
> > >>4.56 Gears, Lock-Right F&R
> > >>35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > >>D44 Rear, D30 Front. SOA
> > >>Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > >>Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> > >>
> > >>00' TJ Sport 4.0L, 5sp
> > >>4.56 Gears, TrueTrac rear
> > >>33" BFG AT on 15x8 Eagle Alloys
> > >>D35 Rear, D30 Front. 3" Suspension Lift
> > >>
> > >>"wkearney99" wrote in message ...
> > >>
> > >>>Which, since CO is lighter than air, can KILL YOU.
> > >>>
> > >>>Do not just crack the bottom of a door and think the CO will be
> > >>>dissapated.
> > >>>Or go ahead, just make sure your life insurance is paid up so someone else
> > >>>benefits from the mistake.
> > >>>
> > >>>At the very least make sure you've got a working CO detector in the upper
> > >>>rooms of the house and in the bedrooms.
> > >>>
--
Will Honea
poisoning when he left his Jeep idling in the garage. No one knows
exactly how it all came down, but he apparently pulled in, closed the
garage door, and forgot the engine was running. He died on an
upstairs couch.
Coleman makes it very clear that even a tent requires some sort of
flue if you use their heater - folks die all the time running a
gas/kerosene heater inside a closed tent. My 8-man tent even has a
flap at the top for a vent hole and an air inlet flap in the back
wall. I always wonder how people could be so dumb until I remember
that not everyone grew up in a time/place where heaters like this were
common, along with associated deaths.
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:05:14 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> I have a couple and have used hundreds over the years as well as propane
> ones.
>
> You know, they all have this funny label on them that says to 'never use
> in a closed area without providing fresh air'. It even says 'how much'
> (40 square inches) fresh air is needed on my Coleman heaters.
>
> I am in Canada and we are very aware up here about how dangerous heaters
> are. Folks die every winter from using them, especially in power
> outages.
>
> They are deadly if used wrong, what else can be said.
>
> Mike
>
> FrankW wrote:
> >
> > Funny that they sell those heaters when they are that dangerous
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > > I sure wouldn't run one even in a leaky garage without a CO monitor or a
> > > door cracked open.
> > >
> > > Most garage doors that I have seen crack open at the top at the same
> > > time or even faster as the bottom gets cracked open, so it only needs a
> > > little opening to be effective. In this case the gas wouldn't be
> > > trapped up high. That is what the last poster was talking about.
> > >
> > > The OP was talking about an insulated garage that likely is pretty air
> > > tight.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > JimG wrote:
> > >
> > >>You might be over-protective. I have been using a kerosene heater in my
> > >>garage for years, and don't even crack the door... I ain't dead yet! (but my
> > >>garage doors as most, don't seal air tight and do allow some fresh air in).
> > >>
> > >>A properly maintained heater does not emit that much CO. After all, CO is a
> > >>product of incomplete combustion.
> > >>
> > >>"since CO is lighter than air, can KILL YOU" - Since when dose the specific
> > >>gravity a gas have anything to do with whether it fatal or not? CO is
> > >>actually very close to density as that of air.
> > >>
> > >>http://www.coheadquarters.com/coproperties.htm
> > >>
> > >>--
> > >>JimG
> > >>80' CJ-7 258 CID, HEI
> > >>4.56 Gears, Lock-Right F&R
> > >>35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > >>D44 Rear, D30 Front. SOA
> > >>Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > >>Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> > >>
> > >>00' TJ Sport 4.0L, 5sp
> > >>4.56 Gears, TrueTrac rear
> > >>33" BFG AT on 15x8 Eagle Alloys
> > >>D35 Rear, D30 Front. 3" Suspension Lift
> > >>
> > >>"wkearney99" wrote in message ...
> > >>
> > >>>Which, since CO is lighter than air, can KILL YOU.
> > >>>
> > >>>Do not just crack the bottom of a door and think the CO will be
> > >>>dissapated.
> > >>>Or go ahead, just make sure your life insurance is paid up so someone else
> > >>>benefits from the mistake.
> > >>>
> > >>>At the very least make sure you've got a working CO detector in the upper
> > >>>rooms of the house and in the bedrooms.
> > >>>
--
Will Honea
12-02-2004, 04:42 PM
#68
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Re: Heated Garage or not?
LOL!
As long as it's a bit drafty and the heaters can get enough fresh air
they won't kick off much CO. They require a fresh air feed to burn
clean. As mentioned, the Coleman propane ones require 40 square inches
each. That is how much they burn.
This is a public forum so I always err on the side of caution when
talking about dangerous products. I see too many folks taking what they
read as right when it could end up nasty if precautions someone used to
the product takes for granted aren't known about.
If folks are aware of the danger, the danger is a lot less.
I use those heaters all the time. Just carefully. Even the big ones
that look like jet engines. Especially in a newer insulated garage
sealed with a vapor barrier.
Mike
JimG wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> But then I'm the same guy that's living on the edge and using a Hi-Lift jack
> on the trail.
> :-)
>
> JimG
As long as it's a bit drafty and the heaters can get enough fresh air
they won't kick off much CO. They require a fresh air feed to burn
clean. As mentioned, the Coleman propane ones require 40 square inches
each. That is how much they burn.
This is a public forum so I always err on the side of caution when
talking about dangerous products. I see too many folks taking what they
read as right when it could end up nasty if precautions someone used to
the product takes for granted aren't known about.
If folks are aware of the danger, the danger is a lot less.
I use those heaters all the time. Just carefully. Even the big ones
that look like jet engines. Especially in a newer insulated garage
sealed with a vapor barrier.
Mike
JimG wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> But then I'm the same guy that's living on the edge and using a Hi-Lift jack
> on the trail.
> :-)
>
> JimG
12-02-2004, 04:42 PM
#69
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Re: Heated Garage or not?
LOL!
As long as it's a bit drafty and the heaters can get enough fresh air
they won't kick off much CO. They require a fresh air feed to burn
clean. As mentioned, the Coleman propane ones require 40 square inches
each. That is how much they burn.
This is a public forum so I always err on the side of caution when
talking about dangerous products. I see too many folks taking what they
read as right when it could end up nasty if precautions someone used to
the product takes for granted aren't known about.
If folks are aware of the danger, the danger is a lot less.
I use those heaters all the time. Just carefully. Even the big ones
that look like jet engines. Especially in a newer insulated garage
sealed with a vapor barrier.
Mike
JimG wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> But then I'm the same guy that's living on the edge and using a Hi-Lift jack
> on the trail.
> :-)
>
> JimG
As long as it's a bit drafty and the heaters can get enough fresh air
they won't kick off much CO. They require a fresh air feed to burn
clean. As mentioned, the Coleman propane ones require 40 square inches
each. That is how much they burn.
This is a public forum so I always err on the side of caution when
talking about dangerous products. I see too many folks taking what they
read as right when it could end up nasty if precautions someone used to
the product takes for granted aren't known about.
If folks are aware of the danger, the danger is a lot less.
I use those heaters all the time. Just carefully. Even the big ones
that look like jet engines. Especially in a newer insulated garage
sealed with a vapor barrier.
Mike
JimG wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> But then I'm the same guy that's living on the edge and using a Hi-Lift jack
> on the trail.
> :-)
>
> JimG
12-02-2004, 04:42 PM
#70
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Re: Heated Garage or not?
LOL!
As long as it's a bit drafty and the heaters can get enough fresh air
they won't kick off much CO. They require a fresh air feed to burn
clean. As mentioned, the Coleman propane ones require 40 square inches
each. That is how much they burn.
This is a public forum so I always err on the side of caution when
talking about dangerous products. I see too many folks taking what they
read as right when it could end up nasty if precautions someone used to
the product takes for granted aren't known about.
If folks are aware of the danger, the danger is a lot less.
I use those heaters all the time. Just carefully. Even the big ones
that look like jet engines. Especially in a newer insulated garage
sealed with a vapor barrier.
Mike
JimG wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> But then I'm the same guy that's living on the edge and using a Hi-Lift jack
> on the trail.
> :-)
>
> JimG
As long as it's a bit drafty and the heaters can get enough fresh air
they won't kick off much CO. They require a fresh air feed to burn
clean. As mentioned, the Coleman propane ones require 40 square inches
each. That is how much they burn.
This is a public forum so I always err on the side of caution when
talking about dangerous products. I see too many folks taking what they
read as right when it could end up nasty if precautions someone used to
the product takes for granted aren't known about.
If folks are aware of the danger, the danger is a lot less.
I use those heaters all the time. Just carefully. Even the big ones
that look like jet engines. Especially in a newer insulated garage
sealed with a vapor barrier.
Mike
JimG wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> But then I'm the same guy that's living on the edge and using a Hi-Lift jack
> on the trail.
> :-)
>
> JimG