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JD Adams 03-14-2006 12:48 PM

Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
I'm itching to head up to a buddy's cabin in my 6-sp. '05 TJL; There
will be the usual ice, snow and 50+ mph. wind. I've done this many
times in a semi, but never in a little 4WD Jeep. Most of the roads
stay reasonably plowed from what I'm told.

I'm taking the usual stuff:

2 sets of cable chains
Big-ass 10-ton snatch strap
Toolbox full of the usual stuff
Extra blankets, clothing, boots
Box of food and water
Cellular but no GPS

Tires are near-new Michelin 30x9.5 LTX M/S's. They're excellent
highway and mud tires, but I've never tried them on snow or ice. The
rubber compound is pretty soft and they have large grooves, and
hopefully the chains will help.

I figure to stay idling only in 4H/2-3 gear most of the time. I know
that 4L is a no-no - way too much torque for snow/ice. Harry Haulass
in his monster Cheby pickup will just have to go around me. Shouldn't
need GPS - roads are pretty well marked.

Questions:

* Would it be helpful to deflate the tires? I run 30 psi on the
street, 20 in mud.

* I have a Class 2 OEM DC towbar on the rear. If I need to be pulled
out by my ass-end, is it acceptable to just run the snatch strap around
the towbar? I know not to use the hitch ball as an anchor point.
Better to just remove the ball and install a heavy D-hook instead? The
front isn't a concern - it has OEM hooks.

Thanks for your help.


Mike Romain 03-14-2006 01:38 PM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
I prefer to keep my 9.5's at street pressure on snow. This allows the
narrow footprint to dig in and grab rather than having the tires up top
and floating you all over the road.

I don't know where this 4 low in snow comes from.... My preferred gear
for trail running on snow pack is 3rd low. This gives me the rpm range
to crawl along or to punch it and still have git up and go while
limiting my top speed. It is easy to get going too fast on snowmobile
packed snow.

Watch out for the brakes when in 4x4! Stay off them if at all
possible. If you lock up the front wheels on ice, all 4 will lock up
which sends you to the low side of the road faster than you can blink.

My CJ7 with it's 33x9.5 BFG muds holds traction great on snow covered
roads up to at least 55 mph so I have no issues keeping up with the semi
tractors. I use 4 high on the main roads...

I have seen a whole bunch of broken off cross members, bumpers and bent
up bars that happened when the tow hitch was uses as a snatch attachment
point. Including mine when I used it to just give a YJ a 'little' tug
out of a snowbank.....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

JD Adams wrote:
>
> I'm itching to head up to a buddy's cabin in my 6-sp. '05 TJL; There
> will be the usual ice, snow and 50+ mph. wind. I've done this many
> times in a semi, but never in a little 4WD Jeep. Most of the roads
> stay reasonably plowed from what I'm told.
>
> I'm taking the usual stuff:
>
> 2 sets of cable chains
> Big-ass 10-ton snatch strap
> Toolbox full of the usual stuff
> Extra blankets, clothing, boots
> Box of food and water
> Cellular but no GPS
>
> Tires are near-new Michelin 30x9.5 LTX M/S's. They're excellent
> highway and mud tires, but I've never tried them on snow or ice. The
> rubber compound is pretty soft and they have large grooves, and
> hopefully the chains will help.
>
> I figure to stay idling only in 4H/2-3 gear most of the time. I know
> that 4L is a no-no - way too much torque for snow/ice. Harry Haulass
> in his monster Cheby pickup will just have to go around me. Shouldn't
> need GPS - roads are pretty well marked.
>
> Questions:
>
> * Would it be helpful to deflate the tires? I run 30 psi on the
> street, 20 in mud.
>
> * I have a Class 2 OEM DC towbar on the rear. If I need to be pulled
> out by my ass-end, is it acceptable to just run the snatch strap around
> the towbar? I know not to use the hitch ball as an anchor point.
> Better to just remove the ball and install a heavy D-hook instead? The
> front isn't a concern - it has OEM hooks.
>
> Thanks for your help.


Mike Romain 03-14-2006 01:38 PM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
I prefer to keep my 9.5's at street pressure on snow. This allows the
narrow footprint to dig in and grab rather than having the tires up top
and floating you all over the road.

I don't know where this 4 low in snow comes from.... My preferred gear
for trail running on snow pack is 3rd low. This gives me the rpm range
to crawl along or to punch it and still have git up and go while
limiting my top speed. It is easy to get going too fast on snowmobile
packed snow.

Watch out for the brakes when in 4x4! Stay off them if at all
possible. If you lock up the front wheels on ice, all 4 will lock up
which sends you to the low side of the road faster than you can blink.

My CJ7 with it's 33x9.5 BFG muds holds traction great on snow covered
roads up to at least 55 mph so I have no issues keeping up with the semi
tractors. I use 4 high on the main roads...

I have seen a whole bunch of broken off cross members, bumpers and bent
up bars that happened when the tow hitch was uses as a snatch attachment
point. Including mine when I used it to just give a YJ a 'little' tug
out of a snowbank.....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

JD Adams wrote:
>
> I'm itching to head up to a buddy's cabin in my 6-sp. '05 TJL; There
> will be the usual ice, snow and 50+ mph. wind. I've done this many
> times in a semi, but never in a little 4WD Jeep. Most of the roads
> stay reasonably plowed from what I'm told.
>
> I'm taking the usual stuff:
>
> 2 sets of cable chains
> Big-ass 10-ton snatch strap
> Toolbox full of the usual stuff
> Extra blankets, clothing, boots
> Box of food and water
> Cellular but no GPS
>
> Tires are near-new Michelin 30x9.5 LTX M/S's. They're excellent
> highway and mud tires, but I've never tried them on snow or ice. The
> rubber compound is pretty soft and they have large grooves, and
> hopefully the chains will help.
>
> I figure to stay idling only in 4H/2-3 gear most of the time. I know
> that 4L is a no-no - way too much torque for snow/ice. Harry Haulass
> in his monster Cheby pickup will just have to go around me. Shouldn't
> need GPS - roads are pretty well marked.
>
> Questions:
>
> * Would it be helpful to deflate the tires? I run 30 psi on the
> street, 20 in mud.
>
> * I have a Class 2 OEM DC towbar on the rear. If I need to be pulled
> out by my ass-end, is it acceptable to just run the snatch strap around
> the towbar? I know not to use the hitch ball as an anchor point.
> Better to just remove the ball and install a heavy D-hook instead? The
> front isn't a concern - it has OEM hooks.
>
> Thanks for your help.


Mike Romain 03-14-2006 01:38 PM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
I prefer to keep my 9.5's at street pressure on snow. This allows the
narrow footprint to dig in and grab rather than having the tires up top
and floating you all over the road.

I don't know where this 4 low in snow comes from.... My preferred gear
for trail running on snow pack is 3rd low. This gives me the rpm range
to crawl along or to punch it and still have git up and go while
limiting my top speed. It is easy to get going too fast on snowmobile
packed snow.

Watch out for the brakes when in 4x4! Stay off them if at all
possible. If you lock up the front wheels on ice, all 4 will lock up
which sends you to the low side of the road faster than you can blink.

My CJ7 with it's 33x9.5 BFG muds holds traction great on snow covered
roads up to at least 55 mph so I have no issues keeping up with the semi
tractors. I use 4 high on the main roads...

I have seen a whole bunch of broken off cross members, bumpers and bent
up bars that happened when the tow hitch was uses as a snatch attachment
point. Including mine when I used it to just give a YJ a 'little' tug
out of a snowbank.....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

JD Adams wrote:
>
> I'm itching to head up to a buddy's cabin in my 6-sp. '05 TJL; There
> will be the usual ice, snow and 50+ mph. wind. I've done this many
> times in a semi, but never in a little 4WD Jeep. Most of the roads
> stay reasonably plowed from what I'm told.
>
> I'm taking the usual stuff:
>
> 2 sets of cable chains
> Big-ass 10-ton snatch strap
> Toolbox full of the usual stuff
> Extra blankets, clothing, boots
> Box of food and water
> Cellular but no GPS
>
> Tires are near-new Michelin 30x9.5 LTX M/S's. They're excellent
> highway and mud tires, but I've never tried them on snow or ice. The
> rubber compound is pretty soft and they have large grooves, and
> hopefully the chains will help.
>
> I figure to stay idling only in 4H/2-3 gear most of the time. I know
> that 4L is a no-no - way too much torque for snow/ice. Harry Haulass
> in his monster Cheby pickup will just have to go around me. Shouldn't
> need GPS - roads are pretty well marked.
>
> Questions:
>
> * Would it be helpful to deflate the tires? I run 30 psi on the
> street, 20 in mud.
>
> * I have a Class 2 OEM DC towbar on the rear. If I need to be pulled
> out by my ass-end, is it acceptable to just run the snatch strap around
> the towbar? I know not to use the hitch ball as an anchor point.
> Better to just remove the ball and install a heavy D-hook instead? The
> front isn't a concern - it has OEM hooks.
>
> Thanks for your help.


Mike Romain 03-14-2006 01:38 PM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
I prefer to keep my 9.5's at street pressure on snow. This allows the
narrow footprint to dig in and grab rather than having the tires up top
and floating you all over the road.

I don't know where this 4 low in snow comes from.... My preferred gear
for trail running on snow pack is 3rd low. This gives me the rpm range
to crawl along or to punch it and still have git up and go while
limiting my top speed. It is easy to get going too fast on snowmobile
packed snow.

Watch out for the brakes when in 4x4! Stay off them if at all
possible. If you lock up the front wheels on ice, all 4 will lock up
which sends you to the low side of the road faster than you can blink.

My CJ7 with it's 33x9.5 BFG muds holds traction great on snow covered
roads up to at least 55 mph so I have no issues keeping up with the semi
tractors. I use 4 high on the main roads...

I have seen a whole bunch of broken off cross members, bumpers and bent
up bars that happened when the tow hitch was uses as a snatch attachment
point. Including mine when I used it to just give a YJ a 'little' tug
out of a snowbank.....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

JD Adams wrote:
>
> I'm itching to head up to a buddy's cabin in my 6-sp. '05 TJL; There
> will be the usual ice, snow and 50+ mph. wind. I've done this many
> times in a semi, but never in a little 4WD Jeep. Most of the roads
> stay reasonably plowed from what I'm told.
>
> I'm taking the usual stuff:
>
> 2 sets of cable chains
> Big-ass 10-ton snatch strap
> Toolbox full of the usual stuff
> Extra blankets, clothing, boots
> Box of food and water
> Cellular but no GPS
>
> Tires are near-new Michelin 30x9.5 LTX M/S's. They're excellent
> highway and mud tires, but I've never tried them on snow or ice. The
> rubber compound is pretty soft and they have large grooves, and
> hopefully the chains will help.
>
> I figure to stay idling only in 4H/2-3 gear most of the time. I know
> that 4L is a no-no - way too much torque for snow/ice. Harry Haulass
> in his monster Cheby pickup will just have to go around me. Shouldn't
> need GPS - roads are pretty well marked.
>
> Questions:
>
> * Would it be helpful to deflate the tires? I run 30 psi on the
> street, 20 in mud.
>
> * I have a Class 2 OEM DC towbar on the rear. If I need to be pulled
> out by my ass-end, is it acceptable to just run the snatch strap around
> the towbar? I know not to use the hitch ball as an anchor point.
> Better to just remove the ball and install a heavy D-hook instead? The
> front isn't a concern - it has OEM hooks.
>
> Thanks for your help.


Carl 03-14-2006 09:14 PM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
I have used a class 2 hitch to pull stuck Jeeps many times and never had a
problem. If you can get a shackle in where the ball attaches, that would be
best, otherwise, loop it around the hitch frame.

BTW.. how are you liking your Jeep over your (RIP) Mustang, JD?

HTH

Carl


"JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
news:1142358513.674528.164320@v46g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
> I'm itching to head up to a buddy's cabin in my 6-sp. '05 TJL; There
> will be the usual ice, snow and 50+ mph. wind. I've done this many
> times in a semi, but never in a little 4WD Jeep. Most of the roads
> stay reasonably plowed from what I'm told.
>
> I'm taking the usual stuff:
>
> 2 sets of cable chains
> Big-ass 10-ton snatch strap
> Toolbox full of the usual stuff
> Extra blankets, clothing, boots
> Box of food and water
> Cellular but no GPS
>
> Tires are near-new Michelin 30x9.5 LTX M/S's. They're excellent
> highway and mud tires, but I've never tried them on snow or ice. The
> rubber compound is pretty soft and they have large grooves, and
> hopefully the chains will help.
>
> I figure to stay idling only in 4H/2-3 gear most of the time. I know
> that 4L is a no-no - way too much torque for snow/ice. Harry Haulass
> in his monster Cheby pickup will just have to go around me. Shouldn't
> need GPS - roads are pretty well marked.
>
> Questions:
>
> * Would it be helpful to deflate the tires? I run 30 psi on the
> street, 20 in mud.
>
> * I have a Class 2 OEM DC towbar on the rear. If I need to be pulled
> out by my ass-end, is it acceptable to just run the snatch strap around
> the towbar? I know not to use the hitch ball as an anchor point.
> Better to just remove the ball and install a heavy D-hook instead? The
> front isn't a concern - it has OEM hooks.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>




Carl 03-14-2006 09:14 PM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
I have used a class 2 hitch to pull stuck Jeeps many times and never had a
problem. If you can get a shackle in where the ball attaches, that would be
best, otherwise, loop it around the hitch frame.

BTW.. how are you liking your Jeep over your (RIP) Mustang, JD?

HTH

Carl


"JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
news:1142358513.674528.164320@v46g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
> I'm itching to head up to a buddy's cabin in my 6-sp. '05 TJL; There
> will be the usual ice, snow and 50+ mph. wind. I've done this many
> times in a semi, but never in a little 4WD Jeep. Most of the roads
> stay reasonably plowed from what I'm told.
>
> I'm taking the usual stuff:
>
> 2 sets of cable chains
> Big-ass 10-ton snatch strap
> Toolbox full of the usual stuff
> Extra blankets, clothing, boots
> Box of food and water
> Cellular but no GPS
>
> Tires are near-new Michelin 30x9.5 LTX M/S's. They're excellent
> highway and mud tires, but I've never tried them on snow or ice. The
> rubber compound is pretty soft and they have large grooves, and
> hopefully the chains will help.
>
> I figure to stay idling only in 4H/2-3 gear most of the time. I know
> that 4L is a no-no - way too much torque for snow/ice. Harry Haulass
> in his monster Cheby pickup will just have to go around me. Shouldn't
> need GPS - roads are pretty well marked.
>
> Questions:
>
> * Would it be helpful to deflate the tires? I run 30 psi on the
> street, 20 in mud.
>
> * I have a Class 2 OEM DC towbar on the rear. If I need to be pulled
> out by my ass-end, is it acceptable to just run the snatch strap around
> the towbar? I know not to use the hitch ball as an anchor point.
> Better to just remove the ball and install a heavy D-hook instead? The
> front isn't a concern - it has OEM hooks.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>




Carl 03-14-2006 09:14 PM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
I have used a class 2 hitch to pull stuck Jeeps many times and never had a
problem. If you can get a shackle in where the ball attaches, that would be
best, otherwise, loop it around the hitch frame.

BTW.. how are you liking your Jeep over your (RIP) Mustang, JD?

HTH

Carl


"JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
news:1142358513.674528.164320@v46g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
> I'm itching to head up to a buddy's cabin in my 6-sp. '05 TJL; There
> will be the usual ice, snow and 50+ mph. wind. I've done this many
> times in a semi, but never in a little 4WD Jeep. Most of the roads
> stay reasonably plowed from what I'm told.
>
> I'm taking the usual stuff:
>
> 2 sets of cable chains
> Big-ass 10-ton snatch strap
> Toolbox full of the usual stuff
> Extra blankets, clothing, boots
> Box of food and water
> Cellular but no GPS
>
> Tires are near-new Michelin 30x9.5 LTX M/S's. They're excellent
> highway and mud tires, but I've never tried them on snow or ice. The
> rubber compound is pretty soft and they have large grooves, and
> hopefully the chains will help.
>
> I figure to stay idling only in 4H/2-3 gear most of the time. I know
> that 4L is a no-no - way too much torque for snow/ice. Harry Haulass
> in his monster Cheby pickup will just have to go around me. Shouldn't
> need GPS - roads are pretty well marked.
>
> Questions:
>
> * Would it be helpful to deflate the tires? I run 30 psi on the
> street, 20 in mud.
>
> * I have a Class 2 OEM DC towbar on the rear. If I need to be pulled
> out by my ass-end, is it acceptable to just run the snatch strap around
> the towbar? I know not to use the hitch ball as an anchor point.
> Better to just remove the ball and install a heavy D-hook instead? The
> front isn't a concern - it has OEM hooks.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>




Carl 03-14-2006 09:14 PM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
I have used a class 2 hitch to pull stuck Jeeps many times and never had a
problem. If you can get a shackle in where the ball attaches, that would be
best, otherwise, loop it around the hitch frame.

BTW.. how are you liking your Jeep over your (RIP) Mustang, JD?

HTH

Carl


"JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
news:1142358513.674528.164320@v46g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
> I'm itching to head up to a buddy's cabin in my 6-sp. '05 TJL; There
> will be the usual ice, snow and 50+ mph. wind. I've done this many
> times in a semi, but never in a little 4WD Jeep. Most of the roads
> stay reasonably plowed from what I'm told.
>
> I'm taking the usual stuff:
>
> 2 sets of cable chains
> Big-ass 10-ton snatch strap
> Toolbox full of the usual stuff
> Extra blankets, clothing, boots
> Box of food and water
> Cellular but no GPS
>
> Tires are near-new Michelin 30x9.5 LTX M/S's. They're excellent
> highway and mud tires, but I've never tried them on snow or ice. The
> rubber compound is pretty soft and they have large grooves, and
> hopefully the chains will help.
>
> I figure to stay idling only in 4H/2-3 gear most of the time. I know
> that 4L is a no-no - way too much torque for snow/ice. Harry Haulass
> in his monster Cheby pickup will just have to go around me. Shouldn't
> need GPS - roads are pretty well marked.
>
> Questions:
>
> * Would it be helpful to deflate the tires? I run 30 psi on the
> street, 20 in mud.
>
> * I have a Class 2 OEM DC towbar on the rear. If I need to be pulled
> out by my ass-end, is it acceptable to just run the snatch strap around
> the towbar? I know not to use the hitch ball as an anchor point.
> Better to just remove the ball and install a heavy D-hook instead? The
> front isn't a concern - it has OEM hooks.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>




JD Adams 03-14-2006 11:07 PM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
>Watch out for the brakes when in 4x4!

Will do, Mike. Shouldn't have to brake going that slow, unless someone
else's lack of control and common sense becomes a concern.

>I have used a class 2 hitch to pull stuck Jeeps many times and never had a
>problem. If you can get a shackle in where the ball attaches, that would be
>best, otherwise, loop it around the hitch frame.
>BTW.. how are you liking your Jeep over your (RIP) Mustang, JD?


Very much. Jeeps don't go very fast, which keeps me out of trouble. I
now know why Jeep doesn't have a racing team. The TJL's with all the
goodies and hardtop are a LOT of fun, and I have found out that chicks
dig Jeeps.

I figure that in snow where traction is going to suck pretty badly
anyway, a class II hitch should be enough, but just wanted to make
sure. Not sure if I'd use it on a dry surface with good traction
though.

If I can find one, an elongated D-shackle placed through the hitch
receiver where the ball mount pin normally goes might be an even better
idea, provided I can find one that will fit tightly and is rated at 3
tons or better. Time to hit OSH or Harbor Freight for that one.

Still working on a HT lift. I'd use rachet straps, but they can only
lift it a few inches before the rachets bind up. Looking to lift it
over 2 feet up, so an electric winch will probably be the answer.
Spring is just around the corner!

Thanks for the help guys.


JD Adams 03-14-2006 11:07 PM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
>Watch out for the brakes when in 4x4!

Will do, Mike. Shouldn't have to brake going that slow, unless someone
else's lack of control and common sense becomes a concern.

>I have used a class 2 hitch to pull stuck Jeeps many times and never had a
>problem. If you can get a shackle in where the ball attaches, that would be
>best, otherwise, loop it around the hitch frame.
>BTW.. how are you liking your Jeep over your (RIP) Mustang, JD?


Very much. Jeeps don't go very fast, which keeps me out of trouble. I
now know why Jeep doesn't have a racing team. The TJL's with all the
goodies and hardtop are a LOT of fun, and I have found out that chicks
dig Jeeps.

I figure that in snow where traction is going to suck pretty badly
anyway, a class II hitch should be enough, but just wanted to make
sure. Not sure if I'd use it on a dry surface with good traction
though.

If I can find one, an elongated D-shackle placed through the hitch
receiver where the ball mount pin normally goes might be an even better
idea, provided I can find one that will fit tightly and is rated at 3
tons or better. Time to hit OSH or Harbor Freight for that one.

Still working on a HT lift. I'd use rachet straps, but they can only
lift it a few inches before the rachets bind up. Looking to lift it
over 2 feet up, so an electric winch will probably be the answer.
Spring is just around the corner!

Thanks for the help guys.


JD Adams 03-14-2006 11:07 PM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
>Watch out for the brakes when in 4x4!

Will do, Mike. Shouldn't have to brake going that slow, unless someone
else's lack of control and common sense becomes a concern.

>I have used a class 2 hitch to pull stuck Jeeps many times and never had a
>problem. If you can get a shackle in where the ball attaches, that would be
>best, otherwise, loop it around the hitch frame.
>BTW.. how are you liking your Jeep over your (RIP) Mustang, JD?


Very much. Jeeps don't go very fast, which keeps me out of trouble. I
now know why Jeep doesn't have a racing team. The TJL's with all the
goodies and hardtop are a LOT of fun, and I have found out that chicks
dig Jeeps.

I figure that in snow where traction is going to suck pretty badly
anyway, a class II hitch should be enough, but just wanted to make
sure. Not sure if I'd use it on a dry surface with good traction
though.

If I can find one, an elongated D-shackle placed through the hitch
receiver where the ball mount pin normally goes might be an even better
idea, provided I can find one that will fit tightly and is rated at 3
tons or better. Time to hit OSH or Harbor Freight for that one.

Still working on a HT lift. I'd use rachet straps, but they can only
lift it a few inches before the rachets bind up. Looking to lift it
over 2 feet up, so an electric winch will probably be the answer.
Spring is just around the corner!

Thanks for the help guys.


JD Adams 03-14-2006 11:07 PM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
>Watch out for the brakes when in 4x4!

Will do, Mike. Shouldn't have to brake going that slow, unless someone
else's lack of control and common sense becomes a concern.

>I have used a class 2 hitch to pull stuck Jeeps many times and never had a
>problem. If you can get a shackle in where the ball attaches, that would be
>best, otherwise, loop it around the hitch frame.
>BTW.. how are you liking your Jeep over your (RIP) Mustang, JD?


Very much. Jeeps don't go very fast, which keeps me out of trouble. I
now know why Jeep doesn't have a racing team. The TJL's with all the
goodies and hardtop are a LOT of fun, and I have found out that chicks
dig Jeeps.

I figure that in snow where traction is going to suck pretty badly
anyway, a class II hitch should be enough, but just wanted to make
sure. Not sure if I'd use it on a dry surface with good traction
though.

If I can find one, an elongated D-shackle placed through the hitch
receiver where the ball mount pin normally goes might be an even better
idea, provided I can find one that will fit tightly and is rated at 3
tons or better. Time to hit OSH or Harbor Freight for that one.

Still working on a HT lift. I'd use rachet straps, but they can only
lift it a few inches before the rachets bind up. Looking to lift it
over 2 feet up, so an electric winch will probably be the answer.
Spring is just around the corner!

Thanks for the help guys.


Carl 03-15-2006 12:12 AM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
JD-
Have you checked into getting a hi-lift jack? Incredibly cheap and
effective when properly used, easy to mount and store, either on the hood or
either bumper.

Carl


"JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
news:1142395679.056104.315680@j52g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
> >Watch out for the brakes when in 4x4!

>
> Will do, Mike. Shouldn't have to brake going that slow, unless someone
> else's lack of control and common sense becomes a concern.
>
>>I have used a class 2 hitch to pull stuck Jeeps many times and never had a
>>problem. If you can get a shackle in where the ball attaches, that would
>>be
>>best, otherwise, loop it around the hitch frame.
>>BTW.. how are you liking your Jeep over your (RIP) Mustang, JD?

>
> Very much. Jeeps don't go very fast, which keeps me out of trouble. I
> now know why Jeep doesn't have a racing team. The TJL's with all the
> goodies and hardtop are a LOT of fun, and I have found out that chicks
> dig Jeeps.
>
> I figure that in snow where traction is going to suck pretty badly
> anyway, a class II hitch should be enough, but just wanted to make
> sure. Not sure if I'd use it on a dry surface with good traction
> though.
>
> If I can find one, an elongated D-shackle placed through the hitch
> receiver where the ball mount pin normally goes might be an even better
> idea, provided I can find one that will fit tightly and is rated at 3
> tons or better. Time to hit OSH or Harbor Freight for that one.
>
> Still working on a HT lift. I'd use rachet straps, but they can only
> lift it a few inches before the rachets bind up. Looking to lift it
> over 2 feet up, so an electric winch will probably be the answer.
> Spring is just around the corner!
>
> Thanks for the help guys.
>




Carl 03-15-2006 12:12 AM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
JD-
Have you checked into getting a hi-lift jack? Incredibly cheap and
effective when properly used, easy to mount and store, either on the hood or
either bumper.

Carl


"JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
news:1142395679.056104.315680@j52g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
> >Watch out for the brakes when in 4x4!

>
> Will do, Mike. Shouldn't have to brake going that slow, unless someone
> else's lack of control and common sense becomes a concern.
>
>>I have used a class 2 hitch to pull stuck Jeeps many times and never had a
>>problem. If you can get a shackle in where the ball attaches, that would
>>be
>>best, otherwise, loop it around the hitch frame.
>>BTW.. how are you liking your Jeep over your (RIP) Mustang, JD?

>
> Very much. Jeeps don't go very fast, which keeps me out of trouble. I
> now know why Jeep doesn't have a racing team. The TJL's with all the
> goodies and hardtop are a LOT of fun, and I have found out that chicks
> dig Jeeps.
>
> I figure that in snow where traction is going to suck pretty badly
> anyway, a class II hitch should be enough, but just wanted to make
> sure. Not sure if I'd use it on a dry surface with good traction
> though.
>
> If I can find one, an elongated D-shackle placed through the hitch
> receiver where the ball mount pin normally goes might be an even better
> idea, provided I can find one that will fit tightly and is rated at 3
> tons or better. Time to hit OSH or Harbor Freight for that one.
>
> Still working on a HT lift. I'd use rachet straps, but they can only
> lift it a few inches before the rachets bind up. Looking to lift it
> over 2 feet up, so an electric winch will probably be the answer.
> Spring is just around the corner!
>
> Thanks for the help guys.
>




Carl 03-15-2006 12:12 AM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
JD-
Have you checked into getting a hi-lift jack? Incredibly cheap and
effective when properly used, easy to mount and store, either on the hood or
either bumper.

Carl


"JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
news:1142395679.056104.315680@j52g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
> >Watch out for the brakes when in 4x4!

>
> Will do, Mike. Shouldn't have to brake going that slow, unless someone
> else's lack of control and common sense becomes a concern.
>
>>I have used a class 2 hitch to pull stuck Jeeps many times and never had a
>>problem. If you can get a shackle in where the ball attaches, that would
>>be
>>best, otherwise, loop it around the hitch frame.
>>BTW.. how are you liking your Jeep over your (RIP) Mustang, JD?

>
> Very much. Jeeps don't go very fast, which keeps me out of trouble. I
> now know why Jeep doesn't have a racing team. The TJL's with all the
> goodies and hardtop are a LOT of fun, and I have found out that chicks
> dig Jeeps.
>
> I figure that in snow where traction is going to suck pretty badly
> anyway, a class II hitch should be enough, but just wanted to make
> sure. Not sure if I'd use it on a dry surface with good traction
> though.
>
> If I can find one, an elongated D-shackle placed through the hitch
> receiver where the ball mount pin normally goes might be an even better
> idea, provided I can find one that will fit tightly and is rated at 3
> tons or better. Time to hit OSH or Harbor Freight for that one.
>
> Still working on a HT lift. I'd use rachet straps, but they can only
> lift it a few inches before the rachets bind up. Looking to lift it
> over 2 feet up, so an electric winch will probably be the answer.
> Spring is just around the corner!
>
> Thanks for the help guys.
>




Carl 03-15-2006 12:12 AM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
JD-
Have you checked into getting a hi-lift jack? Incredibly cheap and
effective when properly used, easy to mount and store, either on the hood or
either bumper.

Carl


"JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
news:1142395679.056104.315680@j52g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
> >Watch out for the brakes when in 4x4!

>
> Will do, Mike. Shouldn't have to brake going that slow, unless someone
> else's lack of control and common sense becomes a concern.
>
>>I have used a class 2 hitch to pull stuck Jeeps many times and never had a
>>problem. If you can get a shackle in where the ball attaches, that would
>>be
>>best, otherwise, loop it around the hitch frame.
>>BTW.. how are you liking your Jeep over your (RIP) Mustang, JD?

>
> Very much. Jeeps don't go very fast, which keeps me out of trouble. I
> now know why Jeep doesn't have a racing team. The TJL's with all the
> goodies and hardtop are a LOT of fun, and I have found out that chicks
> dig Jeeps.
>
> I figure that in snow where traction is going to suck pretty badly
> anyway, a class II hitch should be enough, but just wanted to make
> sure. Not sure if I'd use it on a dry surface with good traction
> though.
>
> If I can find one, an elongated D-shackle placed through the hitch
> receiver where the ball mount pin normally goes might be an even better
> idea, provided I can find one that will fit tightly and is rated at 3
> tons or better. Time to hit OSH or Harbor Freight for that one.
>
> Still working on a HT lift. I'd use rachet straps, but they can only
> lift it a few inches before the rachets bind up. Looking to lift it
> over 2 feet up, so an electric winch will probably be the answer.
> Spring is just around the corner!
>
> Thanks for the help guys.
>




KJ.Kate 03-15-2006 08:24 AM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
Go to Harvey's on Friday night for the all you can eat seafood buffet.
Don't gamble more than you can afford to lose
Enjoy yourself.


Kate

"JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
news:1142395679.056104.315680@j52g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
: >Watch out for the brakes when in 4x4!
:
: Will do, Mike. Shouldn't have to brake going that slow, unless someone
: else's lack of control and common sense becomes a concern.
:
: >I have used a class 2 hitch to pull stuck Jeeps many times and never had
a
: >problem. If you can get a shackle in where the ball attaches, that would
be
: >best, otherwise, loop it around the hitch frame.
: >BTW.. how are you liking your Jeep over your (RIP) Mustang, JD?
:
: Very much. Jeeps don't go very fast, which keeps me out of trouble. I
: now know why Jeep doesn't have a racing team. The TJL's with all the
: goodies and hardtop are a LOT of fun, and I have found out that chicks
: dig Jeeps.
:
: I figure that in snow where traction is going to suck pretty badly
: anyway, a class II hitch should be enough, but just wanted to make
: sure. Not sure if I'd use it on a dry surface with good traction
: though.
:
: If I can find one, an elongated D-shackle placed through the hitch
: receiver where the ball mount pin normally goes might be an even better
: idea, provided I can find one that will fit tightly and is rated at 3
: tons or better. Time to hit OSH or Harbor Freight for that one.
:
: Still working on a HT lift. I'd use rachet straps, but they can only
: lift it a few inches before the rachets bind up. Looking to lift it
: over 2 feet up, so an electric winch will probably be the answer.
: Spring is just around the corner!
:
: Thanks for the help guys.
:



KJ.Kate 03-15-2006 08:24 AM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
Go to Harvey's on Friday night for the all you can eat seafood buffet.
Don't gamble more than you can afford to lose
Enjoy yourself.


Kate

"JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
news:1142395679.056104.315680@j52g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
: >Watch out for the brakes when in 4x4!
:
: Will do, Mike. Shouldn't have to brake going that slow, unless someone
: else's lack of control and common sense becomes a concern.
:
: >I have used a class 2 hitch to pull stuck Jeeps many times and never had
a
: >problem. If you can get a shackle in where the ball attaches, that would
be
: >best, otherwise, loop it around the hitch frame.
: >BTW.. how are you liking your Jeep over your (RIP) Mustang, JD?
:
: Very much. Jeeps don't go very fast, which keeps me out of trouble. I
: now know why Jeep doesn't have a racing team. The TJL's with all the
: goodies and hardtop are a LOT of fun, and I have found out that chicks
: dig Jeeps.
:
: I figure that in snow where traction is going to suck pretty badly
: anyway, a class II hitch should be enough, but just wanted to make
: sure. Not sure if I'd use it on a dry surface with good traction
: though.
:
: If I can find one, an elongated D-shackle placed through the hitch
: receiver where the ball mount pin normally goes might be an even better
: idea, provided I can find one that will fit tightly and is rated at 3
: tons or better. Time to hit OSH or Harbor Freight for that one.
:
: Still working on a HT lift. I'd use rachet straps, but they can only
: lift it a few inches before the rachets bind up. Looking to lift it
: over 2 feet up, so an electric winch will probably be the answer.
: Spring is just around the corner!
:
: Thanks for the help guys.
:



KJ.Kate 03-15-2006 08:24 AM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
Go to Harvey's on Friday night for the all you can eat seafood buffet.
Don't gamble more than you can afford to lose
Enjoy yourself.


Kate

"JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
news:1142395679.056104.315680@j52g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
: >Watch out for the brakes when in 4x4!
:
: Will do, Mike. Shouldn't have to brake going that slow, unless someone
: else's lack of control and common sense becomes a concern.
:
: >I have used a class 2 hitch to pull stuck Jeeps many times and never had
a
: >problem. If you can get a shackle in where the ball attaches, that would
be
: >best, otherwise, loop it around the hitch frame.
: >BTW.. how are you liking your Jeep over your (RIP) Mustang, JD?
:
: Very much. Jeeps don't go very fast, which keeps me out of trouble. I
: now know why Jeep doesn't have a racing team. The TJL's with all the
: goodies and hardtop are a LOT of fun, and I have found out that chicks
: dig Jeeps.
:
: I figure that in snow where traction is going to suck pretty badly
: anyway, a class II hitch should be enough, but just wanted to make
: sure. Not sure if I'd use it on a dry surface with good traction
: though.
:
: If I can find one, an elongated D-shackle placed through the hitch
: receiver where the ball mount pin normally goes might be an even better
: idea, provided I can find one that will fit tightly and is rated at 3
: tons or better. Time to hit OSH or Harbor Freight for that one.
:
: Still working on a HT lift. I'd use rachet straps, but they can only
: lift it a few inches before the rachets bind up. Looking to lift it
: over 2 feet up, so an electric winch will probably be the answer.
: Spring is just around the corner!
:
: Thanks for the help guys.
:



KJ.Kate 03-15-2006 08:24 AM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
Go to Harvey's on Friday night for the all you can eat seafood buffet.
Don't gamble more than you can afford to lose
Enjoy yourself.


Kate

"JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
news:1142395679.056104.315680@j52g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
: >Watch out for the brakes when in 4x4!
:
: Will do, Mike. Shouldn't have to brake going that slow, unless someone
: else's lack of control and common sense becomes a concern.
:
: >I have used a class 2 hitch to pull stuck Jeeps many times and never had
a
: >problem. If you can get a shackle in where the ball attaches, that would
be
: >best, otherwise, loop it around the hitch frame.
: >BTW.. how are you liking your Jeep over your (RIP) Mustang, JD?
:
: Very much. Jeeps don't go very fast, which keeps me out of trouble. I
: now know why Jeep doesn't have a racing team. The TJL's with all the
: goodies and hardtop are a LOT of fun, and I have found out that chicks
: dig Jeeps.
:
: I figure that in snow where traction is going to suck pretty badly
: anyway, a class II hitch should be enough, but just wanted to make
: sure. Not sure if I'd use it on a dry surface with good traction
: though.
:
: If I can find one, an elongated D-shackle placed through the hitch
: receiver where the ball mount pin normally goes might be an even better
: idea, provided I can find one that will fit tightly and is rated at 3
: tons or better. Time to hit OSH or Harbor Freight for that one.
:
: Still working on a HT lift. I'd use rachet straps, but they can only
: lift it a few inches before the rachets bind up. Looking to lift it
: over 2 feet up, so an electric winch will probably be the answer.
: Spring is just around the corner!
:
: Thanks for the help guys.
:



Stupendous Man 03-15-2006 08:34 AM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
> I don't know where this 4 low in snow comes from.... My preferred gear
> for trail running on snow pack is 3rd low.


I use it all the time on downhill slopes to keep my speed down without using
the brakes. My 35 MTs like full pressure on the road, don't want to float on
the slush, but my Jeepster is pretty heavy. Off-road, air down low, no point
punching thru when it's mud underneath.
Simple rules for snow. Drive as if eggs were on the pedals and you don't
want to break them. Easy and gradual changes in speed. Avoid obstacles like
flatlanders playing in the road, rather than crash trying to stop or slow
for them. If you hit one, too bad, the CHP wont mind much.
Put an extra 200Lbs in the back, used sandbags, iron, or water. Cable chains
suck. I only use them on cars where clearances won't allow real chains.
Be carefull, we have had snow down to 500 feet last weekend, but yesterday
the snow level was about 2500. It's unusually cold and deep right now.



Stupendous Man 03-15-2006 08:34 AM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
> I don't know where this 4 low in snow comes from.... My preferred gear
> for trail running on snow pack is 3rd low.


I use it all the time on downhill slopes to keep my speed down without using
the brakes. My 35 MTs like full pressure on the road, don't want to float on
the slush, but my Jeepster is pretty heavy. Off-road, air down low, no point
punching thru when it's mud underneath.
Simple rules for snow. Drive as if eggs were on the pedals and you don't
want to break them. Easy and gradual changes in speed. Avoid obstacles like
flatlanders playing in the road, rather than crash trying to stop or slow
for them. If you hit one, too bad, the CHP wont mind much.
Put an extra 200Lbs in the back, used sandbags, iron, or water. Cable chains
suck. I only use them on cars where clearances won't allow real chains.
Be carefull, we have had snow down to 500 feet last weekend, but yesterday
the snow level was about 2500. It's unusually cold and deep right now.



Stupendous Man 03-15-2006 08:34 AM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
> I don't know where this 4 low in snow comes from.... My preferred gear
> for trail running on snow pack is 3rd low.


I use it all the time on downhill slopes to keep my speed down without using
the brakes. My 35 MTs like full pressure on the road, don't want to float on
the slush, but my Jeepster is pretty heavy. Off-road, air down low, no point
punching thru when it's mud underneath.
Simple rules for snow. Drive as if eggs were on the pedals and you don't
want to break them. Easy and gradual changes in speed. Avoid obstacles like
flatlanders playing in the road, rather than crash trying to stop or slow
for them. If you hit one, too bad, the CHP wont mind much.
Put an extra 200Lbs in the back, used sandbags, iron, or water. Cable chains
suck. I only use them on cars where clearances won't allow real chains.
Be carefull, we have had snow down to 500 feet last weekend, but yesterday
the snow level was about 2500. It's unusually cold and deep right now.



Stupendous Man 03-15-2006 08:34 AM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
> I don't know where this 4 low in snow comes from.... My preferred gear
> for trail running on snow pack is 3rd low.


I use it all the time on downhill slopes to keep my speed down without using
the brakes. My 35 MTs like full pressure on the road, don't want to float on
the slush, but my Jeepster is pretty heavy. Off-road, air down low, no point
punching thru when it's mud underneath.
Simple rules for snow. Drive as if eggs were on the pedals and you don't
want to break them. Easy and gradual changes in speed. Avoid obstacles like
flatlanders playing in the road, rather than crash trying to stop or slow
for them. If you hit one, too bad, the CHP wont mind much.
Put an extra 200Lbs in the back, used sandbags, iron, or water. Cable chains
suck. I only use them on cars where clearances won't allow real chains.
Be carefull, we have had snow down to 500 feet last weekend, but yesterday
the snow level was about 2500. It's unusually cold and deep right now.



JD Adams 03-15-2006 10:40 AM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
>Have you checked into getting a hi-lift jack?

I've been looking at those, Carl. They beat the little OEM bottle jack
under the seat hands-down. I'm pretty sure Harbor Freight carries them.
I also found my big-ol' 4-guage jumper cables, and I'll take those as
well. They're way too big to fit in a toolbox, but have come in handy
before. They're big enough to directly fire up a Semi.

I might even find room left over for a suitcase and guitar. :)

Oh yeah Kate, the buffet's are always a draw for me. I don't gamble,
but the eatin's always good up there. They usually have to roll me out
of the place.

-JD


JD Adams 03-15-2006 10:40 AM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
>Have you checked into getting a hi-lift jack?

I've been looking at those, Carl. They beat the little OEM bottle jack
under the seat hands-down. I'm pretty sure Harbor Freight carries them.
I also found my big-ol' 4-guage jumper cables, and I'll take those as
well. They're way too big to fit in a toolbox, but have come in handy
before. They're big enough to directly fire up a Semi.

I might even find room left over for a suitcase and guitar. :)

Oh yeah Kate, the buffet's are always a draw for me. I don't gamble,
but the eatin's always good up there. They usually have to roll me out
of the place.

-JD


JD Adams 03-15-2006 10:40 AM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
>Have you checked into getting a hi-lift jack?

I've been looking at those, Carl. They beat the little OEM bottle jack
under the seat hands-down. I'm pretty sure Harbor Freight carries them.
I also found my big-ol' 4-guage jumper cables, and I'll take those as
well. They're way too big to fit in a toolbox, but have come in handy
before. They're big enough to directly fire up a Semi.

I might even find room left over for a suitcase and guitar. :)

Oh yeah Kate, the buffet's are always a draw for me. I don't gamble,
but the eatin's always good up there. They usually have to roll me out
of the place.

-JD


JD Adams 03-15-2006 10:40 AM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
>Have you checked into getting a hi-lift jack?

I've been looking at those, Carl. They beat the little OEM bottle jack
under the seat hands-down. I'm pretty sure Harbor Freight carries them.
I also found my big-ol' 4-guage jumper cables, and I'll take those as
well. They're way too big to fit in a toolbox, but have come in handy
before. They're big enough to directly fire up a Semi.

I might even find room left over for a suitcase and guitar. :)

Oh yeah Kate, the buffet's are always a draw for me. I don't gamble,
but the eatin's always good up there. They usually have to roll me out
of the place.

-JD


Matt Macchiarolo 03-15-2006 12:15 PM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
You'd do well to avoid like the plague the Chinese-made hi-lifts as can be
found Harbor Freight. Spend the extra few bucks on the real thing. Got mine
at Tractor Supply Co. for something lile $52.

"JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
news:1142437257.092438.295530@u72g2000cwu.googlegr oups.com...
> >Have you checked into getting a hi-lift jack?

>
> I've been looking at those, Carl. They beat the little OEM bottle jack
> under the seat hands-down. I'm pretty sure Harbor Freight carries them.
> I also found my big-ol' 4-guage jumper cables, and I'll take those as
> well. They're way too big to fit in a toolbox, but have come in handy
> before. They're big enough to directly fire up a Semi.
>
> I might even find room left over for a suitcase and guitar. :)
>
> Oh yeah Kate, the buffet's are always a draw for me. I don't gamble,
> but the eatin's always good up there. They usually have to roll me out
> of the place.
>
> -JD
>




Matt Macchiarolo 03-15-2006 12:15 PM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
You'd do well to avoid like the plague the Chinese-made hi-lifts as can be
found Harbor Freight. Spend the extra few bucks on the real thing. Got mine
at Tractor Supply Co. for something lile $52.

"JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
news:1142437257.092438.295530@u72g2000cwu.googlegr oups.com...
> >Have you checked into getting a hi-lift jack?

>
> I've been looking at those, Carl. They beat the little OEM bottle jack
> under the seat hands-down. I'm pretty sure Harbor Freight carries them.
> I also found my big-ol' 4-guage jumper cables, and I'll take those as
> well. They're way too big to fit in a toolbox, but have come in handy
> before. They're big enough to directly fire up a Semi.
>
> I might even find room left over for a suitcase and guitar. :)
>
> Oh yeah Kate, the buffet's are always a draw for me. I don't gamble,
> but the eatin's always good up there. They usually have to roll me out
> of the place.
>
> -JD
>




Matt Macchiarolo 03-15-2006 12:15 PM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
You'd do well to avoid like the plague the Chinese-made hi-lifts as can be
found Harbor Freight. Spend the extra few bucks on the real thing. Got mine
at Tractor Supply Co. for something lile $52.

"JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
news:1142437257.092438.295530@u72g2000cwu.googlegr oups.com...
> >Have you checked into getting a hi-lift jack?

>
> I've been looking at those, Carl. They beat the little OEM bottle jack
> under the seat hands-down. I'm pretty sure Harbor Freight carries them.
> I also found my big-ol' 4-guage jumper cables, and I'll take those as
> well. They're way too big to fit in a toolbox, but have come in handy
> before. They're big enough to directly fire up a Semi.
>
> I might even find room left over for a suitcase and guitar. :)
>
> Oh yeah Kate, the buffet's are always a draw for me. I don't gamble,
> but the eatin's always good up there. They usually have to roll me out
> of the place.
>
> -JD
>




Matt Macchiarolo 03-15-2006 12:15 PM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
You'd do well to avoid like the plague the Chinese-made hi-lifts as can be
found Harbor Freight. Spend the extra few bucks on the real thing. Got mine
at Tractor Supply Co. for something lile $52.

"JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
news:1142437257.092438.295530@u72g2000cwu.googlegr oups.com...
> >Have you checked into getting a hi-lift jack?

>
> I've been looking at those, Carl. They beat the little OEM bottle jack
> under the seat hands-down. I'm pretty sure Harbor Freight carries them.
> I also found my big-ol' 4-guage jumper cables, and I'll take those as
> well. They're way too big to fit in a toolbox, but have come in handy
> before. They're big enough to directly fire up a Semi.
>
> I might even find room left over for a suitcase and guitar. :)
>
> Oh yeah Kate, the buffet's are always a draw for me. I don't gamble,
> but the eatin's always good up there. They usually have to roll me out
> of the place.
>
> -JD
>




Will Honea 03-15-2006 12:18 PM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:40:57 UTC "JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net>
wrote:

> >Have you checked into getting a hi-lift jack?

>
> I've been looking at those, Carl. They beat the little OEM bottle jack
> under the seat hands-down. I'm pretty sure Harbor Freight carries them.
> I also found my big-ol' 4-guage jumper cables, and I'll take those as
> well. They're way too big to fit in a toolbox, but have come in handy
> before. They're big enough to directly fire up a Semi.


I would suggest a Google search in this news group over the past 4
years or so for "hi-lift jack". Now repeat the search for "widow
maker" and see how close they correlate. You sound as if you intend
to use the hi-lift to replace the bottle jack - don't! That sucker
can maim or kill you in a flash.

--
Will Honea

Will Honea 03-15-2006 12:18 PM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:40:57 UTC "JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net>
wrote:

> >Have you checked into getting a hi-lift jack?

>
> I've been looking at those, Carl. They beat the little OEM bottle jack
> under the seat hands-down. I'm pretty sure Harbor Freight carries them.
> I also found my big-ol' 4-guage jumper cables, and I'll take those as
> well. They're way too big to fit in a toolbox, but have come in handy
> before. They're big enough to directly fire up a Semi.


I would suggest a Google search in this news group over the past 4
years or so for "hi-lift jack". Now repeat the search for "widow
maker" and see how close they correlate. You sound as if you intend
to use the hi-lift to replace the bottle jack - don't! That sucker
can maim or kill you in a flash.

--
Will Honea

Will Honea 03-15-2006 12:18 PM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:40:57 UTC "JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net>
wrote:

> >Have you checked into getting a hi-lift jack?

>
> I've been looking at those, Carl. They beat the little OEM bottle jack
> under the seat hands-down. I'm pretty sure Harbor Freight carries them.
> I also found my big-ol' 4-guage jumper cables, and I'll take those as
> well. They're way too big to fit in a toolbox, but have come in handy
> before. They're big enough to directly fire up a Semi.


I would suggest a Google search in this news group over the past 4
years or so for "hi-lift jack". Now repeat the search for "widow
maker" and see how close they correlate. You sound as if you intend
to use the hi-lift to replace the bottle jack - don't! That sucker
can maim or kill you in a flash.

--
Will Honea

Will Honea 03-15-2006 12:18 PM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:40:57 UTC "JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net>
wrote:

> >Have you checked into getting a hi-lift jack?

>
> I've been looking at those, Carl. They beat the little OEM bottle jack
> under the seat hands-down. I'm pretty sure Harbor Freight carries them.
> I also found my big-ol' 4-guage jumper cables, and I'll take those as
> well. They're way too big to fit in a toolbox, but have come in handy
> before. They're big enough to directly fire up a Semi.


I would suggest a Google search in this news group over the past 4
years or so for "hi-lift jack". Now repeat the search for "widow
maker" and see how close they correlate. You sound as if you intend
to use the hi-lift to replace the bottle jack - don't! That sucker
can maim or kill you in a flash.

--
Will Honea

Mike Romain 03-15-2006 12:30 PM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
Just my opinion, but a high lift jack, better known as a 'widow maker'
has no business being anywhere near a Jeep. It is best left on the farm
where it isn't as likely to kill or maim someone.

I carry and recommend a small hydraulic floor jack. These can be had in
the $20.00 range and in my case it fits perfectly behind the passenger
seat on top of my X wrench for tire lugs. They hold in place tight.

Reality says if you have a flat tire, you only need to jack up the axle
the height of the sidewall or 6-8" to change the tire. You 'don't need
to be jacked 4' up in the freakin air hanging on the end of a metal
stick. That is one benefit of having a solid axle, you only need to
jack it an inch or so up to take off a tire.

Same for sticking logs or rocks under a wheel that has dug a hole. Why
jack 4' in the air while praying the damn thing doesn't tip over, when
the floor jack under the axle can whip it up a foot fast to have room to
stuff.

And then the poor farmboy figured out that he can also use the sucker as
a 3' winch rather than spend money for a cable pull or 'come-a-long'.
Come-a-longs aren't expensive either.
http://www.cvfsupplycompany.com/hanpowpulcom.html

Remember the old style bumper jacks? You don't see them sold or used at
all on modern equipment. They were just plain too dangerous.

So for the price of a 'real' floor jack and a hand winch vs a high lift
or jack all, you can be safe and have the 'correct' tool for the job.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

JD Adams wrote:
>
> >Have you checked into getting a hi-lift jack?

>
> I've been looking at those, Carl. They beat the little OEM bottle jack
> under the seat hands-down. I'm pretty sure Harbor Freight carries them.
> I also found my big-ol' 4-guage jumper cables, and I'll take those as
> well. They're way too big to fit in a toolbox, but have come in handy
> before. They're big enough to directly fire up a Semi.
>
> I might even find room left over for a suitcase and guitar. :)
>
> Oh yeah Kate, the buffet's are always a draw for me. I don't gamble,
> but the eatin's always good up there. They usually have to roll me out
> of the place.
>
> -JD


Mike Romain 03-15-2006 12:30 PM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
Just my opinion, but a high lift jack, better known as a 'widow maker'
has no business being anywhere near a Jeep. It is best left on the farm
where it isn't as likely to kill or maim someone.

I carry and recommend a small hydraulic floor jack. These can be had in
the $20.00 range and in my case it fits perfectly behind the passenger
seat on top of my X wrench for tire lugs. They hold in place tight.

Reality says if you have a flat tire, you only need to jack up the axle
the height of the sidewall or 6-8" to change the tire. You 'don't need
to be jacked 4' up in the freakin air hanging on the end of a metal
stick. That is one benefit of having a solid axle, you only need to
jack it an inch or so up to take off a tire.

Same for sticking logs or rocks under a wheel that has dug a hole. Why
jack 4' in the air while praying the damn thing doesn't tip over, when
the floor jack under the axle can whip it up a foot fast to have room to
stuff.

And then the poor farmboy figured out that he can also use the sucker as
a 3' winch rather than spend money for a cable pull or 'come-a-long'.
Come-a-longs aren't expensive either.
http://www.cvfsupplycompany.com/hanpowpulcom.html

Remember the old style bumper jacks? You don't see them sold or used at
all on modern equipment. They were just plain too dangerous.

So for the price of a 'real' floor jack and a hand winch vs a high lift
or jack all, you can be safe and have the 'correct' tool for the job.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

JD Adams wrote:
>
> >Have you checked into getting a hi-lift jack?

>
> I've been looking at those, Carl. They beat the little OEM bottle jack
> under the seat hands-down. I'm pretty sure Harbor Freight carries them.
> I also found my big-ol' 4-guage jumper cables, and I'll take those as
> well. They're way too big to fit in a toolbox, but have come in handy
> before. They're big enough to directly fire up a Semi.
>
> I might even find room left over for a suitcase and guitar. :)
>
> Oh yeah Kate, the buffet's are always a draw for me. I don't gamble,
> but the eatin's always good up there. They usually have to roll me out
> of the place.
>
> -JD


Mike Romain 03-15-2006 12:30 PM

Re: Heading to Tahoe for 1st time - advice?
 
Just my opinion, but a high lift jack, better known as a 'widow maker'
has no business being anywhere near a Jeep. It is best left on the farm
where it isn't as likely to kill or maim someone.

I carry and recommend a small hydraulic floor jack. These can be had in
the $20.00 range and in my case it fits perfectly behind the passenger
seat on top of my X wrench for tire lugs. They hold in place tight.

Reality says if you have a flat tire, you only need to jack up the axle
the height of the sidewall or 6-8" to change the tire. You 'don't need
to be jacked 4' up in the freakin air hanging on the end of a metal
stick. That is one benefit of having a solid axle, you only need to
jack it an inch or so up to take off a tire.

Same for sticking logs or rocks under a wheel that has dug a hole. Why
jack 4' in the air while praying the damn thing doesn't tip over, when
the floor jack under the axle can whip it up a foot fast to have room to
stuff.

And then the poor farmboy figured out that he can also use the sucker as
a 3' winch rather than spend money for a cable pull or 'come-a-long'.
Come-a-longs aren't expensive either.
http://www.cvfsupplycompany.com/hanpowpulcom.html

Remember the old style bumper jacks? You don't see them sold or used at
all on modern equipment. They were just plain too dangerous.

So for the price of a 'real' floor jack and a hand winch vs a high lift
or jack all, you can be safe and have the 'correct' tool for the job.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

JD Adams wrote:
>
> >Have you checked into getting a hi-lift jack?

>
> I've been looking at those, Carl. They beat the little OEM bottle jack
> under the seat hands-down. I'm pretty sure Harbor Freight carries them.
> I also found my big-ol' 4-guage jumper cables, and I'll take those as
> well. They're way too big to fit in a toolbox, but have come in handy
> before. They're big enough to directly fire up a Semi.
>
> I might even find room left over for a suitcase and guitar. :)
>
> Oh yeah Kate, the buffet's are always a draw for me. I don't gamble,
> but the eatin's always good up there. They usually have to roll me out
> of the place.
>
> -JD



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