neil

Did your '03 TJ have a body lift or was it stock? If it turns out to
be a bad syncronizer gear, how much do you think it would cost for a
shop to fix that for me? Do you think that I should just have someone
at a shop take it for a day or two to see what it might be? I really
would rather not have to cut the body spacers in half or mess with the
lift if I can help it.



Jeff (4X4PLAY) wrote:
> I had the same problem w/ my '03 TJ and it turned out to be bad syncronizer
> gears...Mine did it between 2nd and 3rd...
> Good luck!
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> "Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
> news:SP-dnXQne-cPndDYnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@softcom.net...
> > My '05 TJL has the same problem when it was new. It's better, now that I
> > figured out the problem, which was partial engagement of the clutch
> > plates. Bad habit - I drive a semi, and when we DC shifts when moving or
> > (esp.) when comming to a stop, it's a no-no to push the clutch pedal all
> > the way to the floor. Doing with a TJ will result in a bit of gear
> > grinding and difficult shifting.
> >
> > Next time, consciously push the pedal all the way to the floor before
> > grabbing 2nd. See if it helps.
> >
> > Other causes might be incorrectly adjusted clutch linkage (are the '04
> > hydraulic?), low transmission fluid level, incorrect fluid type, or
> > severely warped/broken clutch parts.

neil

Did your '03 TJ have a body lift or was it stock? If it turns out to
be a bad syncronizer gear, how much do you think it would cost for a
shop to fix that for me? Do you think that I should just have someone
at a shop take it for a day or two to see what it might be? I really
would rather not have to cut the body spacers in half or mess with the
lift if I can help it.



Jeff (4X4PLAY) wrote:
> I had the same problem w/ my '03 TJ and it turned out to be bad syncronizer
> gears...Mine did it between 2nd and 3rd...
> Good luck!
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> "Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
> news:SP-dnXQne-cPndDYnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@softcom.net...
> > My '05 TJL has the same problem when it was new. It's better, now that I
> > figured out the problem, which was partial engagement of the clutch
> > plates. Bad habit - I drive a semi, and when we DC shifts when moving or
> > (esp.) when comming to a stop, it's a no-no to push the clutch pedal all
> > the way to the floor. Doing with a TJ will result in a bit of gear
> > grinding and difficult shifting.
> >
> > Next time, consciously push the pedal all the way to the floor before
> > grabbing 2nd. See if it helps.
> >
> > Other causes might be incorrectly adjusted clutch linkage (are the '04
> > hydraulic?), low transmission fluid level, incorrect fluid type, or
> > severely warped/broken clutch parts.

Matt Macchiarolo

Neil, your problem is most likely the body lift, though it seems you don't
want to believe that. 3" body lifts can cause all sorts of problems,
including what you are describing. Take it down to an inch and get a 2"
spring spacer lift kit to clear your tires.

"neil" <neilheuer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1162752085.845729.175470@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Did your '03 TJ have a body lift or was it stock? If it turns out to
> be a bad syncronizer gear, how much do you think it would cost for a
> shop to fix that for me? Do you think that I should just have someone
> at a shop take it for a day or two to see what it might be? I really
> would rather not have to cut the body spacers in half or mess with the
> lift if I can help it.
>
>
>
> Jeff (4X4PLAY) wrote:
>> I had the same problem w/ my '03 TJ and it turned out to be bad
>> syncronizer
>> gears...Mine did it between 2nd and 3rd...
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> "Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
>> news:SP-dnXQne-cPndDYnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@softcom.net...
>> > My '05 TJL has the same problem when it was new. It's better, now that
>> > I
>> > figured out the problem, which was partial engagement of the clutch
>> > plates. Bad habit - I drive a semi, and when we DC shifts when moving
>> > or
>> > (esp.) when comming to a stop, it's a no-no to push the clutch pedal
>> > all
>> > the way to the floor. Doing with a TJ will result in a bit of gear
>> > grinding and difficult shifting.
>> >
>> > Next time, consciously push the pedal all the way to the floor before
>> > grabbing 2nd. See if it helps.
>> >
>> > Other causes might be incorrectly adjusted clutch linkage (are the '04
>> > hydraulic?), low transmission fluid level, incorrect fluid type, or
>> > severely warped/broken clutch parts.
>

Matt Macchiarolo

Neil, your problem is most likely the body lift, though it seems you don't
want to believe that. 3" body lifts can cause all sorts of problems,
including what you are describing. Take it down to an inch and get a 2"
spring spacer lift kit to clear your tires.

"neil" <neilheuer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1162752085.845729.175470@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Did your '03 TJ have a body lift or was it stock? If it turns out to
> be a bad syncronizer gear, how much do you think it would cost for a
> shop to fix that for me? Do you think that I should just have someone
> at a shop take it for a day or two to see what it might be? I really
> would rather not have to cut the body spacers in half or mess with the
> lift if I can help it.
>
>
>
> Jeff (4X4PLAY) wrote:
>> I had the same problem w/ my '03 TJ and it turned out to be bad
>> syncronizer
>> gears...Mine did it between 2nd and 3rd...
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> "Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
>> news:SP-dnXQne-cPndDYnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@softcom.net...
>> > My '05 TJL has the same problem when it was new. It's better, now that
>> > I
>> > figured out the problem, which was partial engagement of the clutch
>> > plates. Bad habit - I drive a semi, and when we DC shifts when moving
>> > or
>> > (esp.) when comming to a stop, it's a no-no to push the clutch pedal
>> > all
>> > the way to the floor. Doing with a TJ will result in a bit of gear
>> > grinding and difficult shifting.
>> >
>> > Next time, consciously push the pedal all the way to the floor before
>> > grabbing 2nd. See if it helps.
>> >
>> > Other causes might be incorrectly adjusted clutch linkage (are the '04
>> > hydraulic?), low transmission fluid level, incorrect fluid type, or
>> > severely warped/broken clutch parts.
>

Matt Macchiarolo

Neil, your problem is most likely the body lift, though it seems you don't
want to believe that. 3" body lifts can cause all sorts of problems,
including what you are describing. Take it down to an inch and get a 2"
spring spacer lift kit to clear your tires.

"neil" <neilheuer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1162752085.845729.175470@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Did your '03 TJ have a body lift or was it stock? If it turns out to
> be a bad syncronizer gear, how much do you think it would cost for a
> shop to fix that for me? Do you think that I should just have someone
> at a shop take it for a day or two to see what it might be? I really
> would rather not have to cut the body spacers in half or mess with the
> lift if I can help it.
>
>
>
> Jeff (4X4PLAY) wrote:
>> I had the same problem w/ my '03 TJ and it turned out to be bad
>> syncronizer
>> gears...Mine did it between 2nd and 3rd...
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> "Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
>> news:SP-dnXQne-cPndDYnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@softcom.net...
>> > My '05 TJL has the same problem when it was new. It's better, now that
>> > I
>> > figured out the problem, which was partial engagement of the clutch
>> > plates. Bad habit - I drive a semi, and when we DC shifts when moving
>> > or
>> > (esp.) when comming to a stop, it's a no-no to push the clutch pedal
>> > all
>> > the way to the floor. Doing with a TJ will result in a bit of gear
>> > grinding and difficult shifting.
>> >
>> > Next time, consciously push the pedal all the way to the floor before
>> > grabbing 2nd. See if it helps.
>> >
>> > Other causes might be incorrectly adjusted clutch linkage (are the '04
>> > hydraulic?), low transmission fluid level, incorrect fluid type, or
>> > severely warped/broken clutch parts.
>

jbjeep

Oh man, that really sucks Mike! So sorry to hear that. Happy anniversary to you and
the Mrs.
-jenn



On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 12:05:48 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>>Unfortunately I moved the wrong way this week and my damaged neck went
>>insane on me so I can't even drive, can barely breath. It's a bummer,
>>it is our anniversary this weekend and we had a cottage with a nice cozy
>>fireplace and outdoor hot tub waiting for us... Wheeling wasn't really
>>on the agenda.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>billy ray wrote:
>>>
>>> Mike, I thought you were going wheeling this weekend?
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:454E0F8D.F17DB5F3@sympatico.ca...
>>> >I would recommend you first verify that the lift, being so tall, hasn't
>>> > already bent the body mounts on the frame causing the tub to be out of
>>> > line. If the tub is even slightly off center, the shifter can jam
>>> > against it when you try to hit certain gears like 1st or 2nd or if the
>>> > body is leaning the other way, 5th and reverse.
>>> >
>>> > A 3" body lift is so tall it is basically unstable and will stress out
>>> > the mounts or the tub plates. This was happening to a friend from this
>>> > group with one, so we took out the lift tubes and cut them in half to
>>> > give him and another Jeeper from this group both a 1.5" body lift to go
>>> > with their suspension lift. They haven't had problems since.
>>> >
>>> > You would be better off with a cheap coil spring spacer lift and a lower
>>> > tub lift.
>>> >
>>> > To check if the body is out of line you can use a tape measure at the
>>> > corners of the tub and measure from the edge to the frame.
>>> >
>>> > I have also heard of some folks having to remove the shifter boots and
>>> > actually snip mental and even having to leave one of the boots off.
>>> > Others have heated the shifter with a torch and bent it to fit.
>>> >
>>> > Mike
>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>> >
>>> > neil wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks for the reply, do you think that the grinding that I experience
>>> >> going from first to second is primarily caused by the 3 inch lift? If
>>> >> so, is there an after market item that can help to compensate for all
>>> >> of the additional rough shifting that occurrs as a result of the lift?
>>> >>
>>> >> Or should I just check all of the fluids and ensure that no water is in
>>> >> where it should not be? Or both? The grinding that occurs from 1st
>>> >> gear to 2nd is the only complaint that I have about the vehicle, if I
>>> >> could solve that problem, then I would be very pleased with the Jeep's
>>> >> performance. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -Neil
>>> >>
>>> >> Micah wrote:
>>> >> > Having a 3 inch body lift means your body is 3" higher above the
>>> >> > transmission than it should be. Since your shifter goes from the
>>> >> > transmission, through the body and into the cab, this usually results
>>> >> > in some pretty rough shifting, it kind of makes you have to move the
>>> >> > stick in ways the transmission doesn't want it to go.

jbjeep

Oh man, that really sucks Mike! So sorry to hear that. Happy anniversary to you and
the Mrs.
-jenn



On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 12:05:48 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>>Unfortunately I moved the wrong way this week and my damaged neck went
>>insane on me so I can't even drive, can barely breath. It's a bummer,
>>it is our anniversary this weekend and we had a cottage with a nice cozy
>>fireplace and outdoor hot tub waiting for us... Wheeling wasn't really
>>on the agenda.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>billy ray wrote:
>>>
>>> Mike, I thought you were going wheeling this weekend?
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:454E0F8D.F17DB5F3@sympatico.ca...
>>> >I would recommend you first verify that the lift, being so tall, hasn't
>>> > already bent the body mounts on the frame causing the tub to be out of
>>> > line. If the tub is even slightly off center, the shifter can jam
>>> > against it when you try to hit certain gears like 1st or 2nd or if the
>>> > body is leaning the other way, 5th and reverse.
>>> >
>>> > A 3" body lift is so tall it is basically unstable and will stress out
>>> > the mounts or the tub plates. This was happening to a friend from this
>>> > group with one, so we took out the lift tubes and cut them in half to
>>> > give him and another Jeeper from this group both a 1.5" body lift to go
>>> > with their suspension lift. They haven't had problems since.
>>> >
>>> > You would be better off with a cheap coil spring spacer lift and a lower
>>> > tub lift.
>>> >
>>> > To check if the body is out of line you can use a tape measure at the
>>> > corners of the tub and measure from the edge to the frame.
>>> >
>>> > I have also heard of some folks having to remove the shifter boots and
>>> > actually snip mental and even having to leave one of the boots off.
>>> > Others have heated the shifter with a torch and bent it to fit.
>>> >
>>> > Mike
>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>> >
>>> > neil wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks for the reply, do you think that the grinding that I experience
>>> >> going from first to second is primarily caused by the 3 inch lift? If
>>> >> so, is there an after market item that can help to compensate for all
>>> >> of the additional rough shifting that occurrs as a result of the lift?
>>> >>
>>> >> Or should I just check all of the fluids and ensure that no water is in
>>> >> where it should not be? Or both? The grinding that occurs from 1st
>>> >> gear to 2nd is the only complaint that I have about the vehicle, if I
>>> >> could solve that problem, then I would be very pleased with the Jeep's
>>> >> performance. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -Neil
>>> >>
>>> >> Micah wrote:
>>> >> > Having a 3 inch body lift means your body is 3" higher above the
>>> >> > transmission than it should be. Since your shifter goes from the
>>> >> > transmission, through the body and into the cab, this usually results
>>> >> > in some pretty rough shifting, it kind of makes you have to move the
>>> >> > stick in ways the transmission doesn't want it to go.

jbjeep

Oh man, that really sucks Mike! So sorry to hear that. Happy anniversary to you and
the Mrs.
-jenn



On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 12:05:48 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>>Unfortunately I moved the wrong way this week and my damaged neck went
>>insane on me so I can't even drive, can barely breath. It's a bummer,
>>it is our anniversary this weekend and we had a cottage with a nice cozy
>>fireplace and outdoor hot tub waiting for us... Wheeling wasn't really
>>on the agenda.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>billy ray wrote:
>>>
>>> Mike, I thought you were going wheeling this weekend?
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:454E0F8D.F17DB5F3@sympatico.ca...
>>> >I would recommend you first verify that the lift, being so tall, hasn't
>>> > already bent the body mounts on the frame causing the tub to be out of
>>> > line. If the tub is even slightly off center, the shifter can jam
>>> > against it when you try to hit certain gears like 1st or 2nd or if the
>>> > body is leaning the other way, 5th and reverse.
>>> >
>>> > A 3" body lift is so tall it is basically unstable and will stress out
>>> > the mounts or the tub plates. This was happening to a friend from this
>>> > group with one, so we took out the lift tubes and cut them in half to
>>> > give him and another Jeeper from this group both a 1.5" body lift to go
>>> > with their suspension lift. They haven't had problems since.
>>> >
>>> > You would be better off with a cheap coil spring spacer lift and a lower
>>> > tub lift.
>>> >
>>> > To check if the body is out of line you can use a tape measure at the
>>> > corners of the tub and measure from the edge to the frame.
>>> >
>>> > I have also heard of some folks having to remove the shifter boots and
>>> > actually snip mental and even having to leave one of the boots off.
>>> > Others have heated the shifter with a torch and bent it to fit.
>>> >
>>> > Mike
>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>> >
>>> > neil wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks for the reply, do you think that the grinding that I experience
>>> >> going from first to second is primarily caused by the 3 inch lift? If
>>> >> so, is there an after market item that can help to compensate for all
>>> >> of the additional rough shifting that occurrs as a result of the lift?
>>> >>
>>> >> Or should I just check all of the fluids and ensure that no water is in
>>> >> where it should not be? Or both? The grinding that occurs from 1st
>>> >> gear to 2nd is the only complaint that I have about the vehicle, if I
>>> >> could solve that problem, then I would be very pleased with the Jeep's
>>> >> performance. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -Neil
>>> >>
>>> >> Micah wrote:
>>> >> > Having a 3 inch body lift means your body is 3" higher above the
>>> >> > transmission than it should be. Since your shifter goes from the
>>> >> > transmission, through the body and into the cab, this usually results
>>> >> > in some pretty rough shifting, it kind of makes you have to move the
>>> >> > stick in ways the transmission doesn't want it to go.

billy ray

How long has it been now?

Congratulations to you.... good luck to Mel!

My baby's birthday is tomorrow....

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:454E19EC.2E003816@sympatico.ca...
> Unfortunately I moved the wrong way this week and my damaged neck went
> insane on me so I can't even drive, can barely breath. It's a bummer,
> it is our anniversary this weekend and we had a cottage with a nice cozy
> fireplace and outdoor hot tub waiting for us... Wheeling wasn't really
> on the agenda.
>
> Mike
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> Mike, I thought you were going wheeling this weekend?
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:454E0F8D.F17DB5F3@sympatico.ca...
>> >I would recommend you first verify that the lift, being so tall, hasn't
>> > already bent the body mounts on the frame causing the tub to be out of
>> > line. If the tub is even slightly off center, the shifter can jam
>> > against it when you try to hit certain gears like 1st or 2nd or if the
>> > body is leaning the other way, 5th and reverse.
>> >
>> > A 3" body lift is so tall it is basically unstable and will stress out
>> > the mounts or the tub plates. This was happening to a friend from this
>> > group with one, so we took out the lift tubes and cut them in half to
>> > give him and another Jeeper from this group both a 1.5" body lift to go
>> > with their suspension lift. They haven't had problems since.
>> >
>> > You would be better off with a cheap coil spring spacer lift and a
>> > lower
>> > tub lift.
>> >
>> > To check if the body is out of line you can use a tape measure at the
>> > corners of the tub and measure from the edge to the frame.
>> >
>> > I have also heard of some folks having to remove the shifter boots and
>> > actually snip mental and even having to leave one of the boots off.
>> > Others have heated the shifter with a torch and bent it to fit.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > neil wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the reply, do you think that the grinding that I experience
>> >> going from first to second is primarily caused by the 3 inch lift? If
>> >> so, is there an after market item that can help to compensate for all
>> >> of the additional rough shifting that occurrs as a result of the lift?
>> >>
>> >> Or should I just check all of the fluids and ensure that no water is
>> >> in
>> >> where it should not be? Or both? The grinding that occurs from 1st
>> >> gear to 2nd is the only complaint that I have about the vehicle, if I
>> >> could solve that problem, then I would be very pleased with the Jeep's
>> >> performance. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>> >> hanks. -Neil
>> >>
>> >> Micah wrote:
>> >> > Having a 3 inch body lift means your body is 3" higher above the
>> >> > transmission than it should be. Since your shifter goes from the
>> >> > transmission, through the body and into the cab, this usually
>> >> > results
>> >> > in some pretty rough shifting, it kind of makes you have to move the
>> >> > stick in ways the transmission doesn't want it to go.

billy ray

How long has it been now?

Congratulations to you.... good luck to Mel!

My baby's birthday is tomorrow....

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:454E19EC.2E003816@sympatico.ca...
> Unfortunately I moved the wrong way this week and my damaged neck went
> insane on me so I can't even drive, can barely breath. It's a bummer,
> it is our anniversary this weekend and we had a cottage with a nice cozy
> fireplace and outdoor hot tub waiting for us... Wheeling wasn't really
> on the agenda.
>
> Mike
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> Mike, I thought you were going wheeling this weekend?
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:454E0F8D.F17DB5F3@sympatico.ca...
>> >I would recommend you first verify that the lift, being so tall, hasn't
>> > already bent the body mounts on the frame causing the tub to be out of
>> > line. If the tub is even slightly off center, the shifter can jam
>> > against it when you try to hit certain gears like 1st or 2nd or if the
>> > body is leaning the other way, 5th and reverse.
>> >
>> > A 3" body lift is so tall it is basically unstable and will stress out
>> > the mounts or the tub plates. This was happening to a friend from this
>> > group with one, so we took out the lift tubes and cut them in half to
>> > give him and another Jeeper from this group both a 1.5" body lift to go
>> > with their suspension lift. They haven't had problems since.
>> >
>> > You would be better off with a cheap coil spring spacer lift and a
>> > lower
>> > tub lift.
>> >
>> > To check if the body is out of line you can use a tape measure at the
>> > corners of the tub and measure from the edge to the frame.
>> >
>> > I have also heard of some folks having to remove the shifter boots and
>> > actually snip mental and even having to leave one of the boots off.
>> > Others have heated the shifter with a torch and bent it to fit.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > neil wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the reply, do you think that the grinding that I experience
>> >> going from first to second is primarily caused by the 3 inch lift? If
>> >> so, is there an after market item that can help to compensate for all
>> >> of the additional rough shifting that occurrs as a result of the lift?
>> >>
>> >> Or should I just check all of the fluids and ensure that no water is
>> >> in
>> >> where it should not be? Or both? The grinding that occurs from 1st
>> >> gear to 2nd is the only complaint that I have about the vehicle, if I
>> >> could solve that problem, then I would be very pleased with the Jeep's
>> >> performance. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>> >> hanks. -Neil
>> >>
>> >> Micah wrote:
>> >> > Having a 3 inch body lift means your body is 3" higher above the
>> >> > transmission than it should be. Since your shifter goes from the
>> >> > transmission, through the body and into the cab, this usually
>> >> > results
>> >> > in some pretty rough shifting, it kind of makes you have to move the
>> >> > stick in ways the transmission doesn't want it to go.