having to double clutching on an 04 Wrangler X
11-05-2006, 11:29 AM
#41
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Re: having to double clutching on an 04 Wrangler X
This makes sense, but if it is grinding already, I would agree with those
who say that a synchro is bad. Don't overlook the possibility that the body
lift caused this.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:454E0F8D.F17DB5F3@sympatico.ca...
> I would recommend you first verify that the lift, being so tall, hasn't
> already bent the body mounts on the frame causing the tub to be out of
> line. If the tub is even slightly off center, the shifter can jam
> against it when you try to hit certain gears like 1st or 2nd or if the
> body is leaning the other way, 5th and reverse.
>
> A 3" body lift is so tall it is basically unstable and will stress out
> the mounts or the tub plates. This was happening to a friend from this
> group with one, so we took out the lift tubes and cut them in half to
> give him and another Jeeper from this group both a 1.5" body lift to go
> with their suspension lift. They haven't had problems since.
>
> You would be better off with a cheap coil spring spacer lift and a lower
> tub lift.
>
> To check if the body is out of line you can use a tape measure at the
> corners of the tub and measure from the edge to the frame.
>
> I have also heard of some folks having to remove the shifter boots and
> actually snip mental and even having to leave one of the boots off.
> Others have heated the shifter with a torch and bent it to fit.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> neil wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the reply, do you think that the grinding that I experience
> > going from first to second is primarily caused by the 3 inch lift? If
> > so, is there an after market item that can help to compensate for all
> > of the additional rough shifting that occurrs as a result of the lift?
> >
> > Or should I just check all of the fluids and ensure that no water is in
> > where it should not be? Or both? The grinding that occurs from 1st
> > gear to 2nd is the only complaint that I have about the vehicle, if I
> > could solve that problem, then I would be very pleased with the Jeep's
> > performance. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -Neil
> >
> > Micah wrote:
> > > Having a 3 inch body lift means your body is 3" higher above the
> > > transmission than it should be. Since your shifter goes from the
> > > transmission, through the body and into the cab, this usually results
> > > in some pretty rough shifting, it kind of makes you have to move the
> > > stick in ways the transmission doesn't want it to go.
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who say that a synchro is bad. Don't overlook the possibility that the body
lift caused this.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:454E0F8D.F17DB5F3@sympatico.ca...
> I would recommend you first verify that the lift, being so tall, hasn't
> already bent the body mounts on the frame causing the tub to be out of
> line. If the tub is even slightly off center, the shifter can jam
> against it when you try to hit certain gears like 1st or 2nd or if the
> body is leaning the other way, 5th and reverse.
>
> A 3" body lift is so tall it is basically unstable and will stress out
> the mounts or the tub plates. This was happening to a friend from this
> group with one, so we took out the lift tubes and cut them in half to
> give him and another Jeeper from this group both a 1.5" body lift to go
> with their suspension lift. They haven't had problems since.
>
> You would be better off with a cheap coil spring spacer lift and a lower
> tub lift.
>
> To check if the body is out of line you can use a tape measure at the
> corners of the tub and measure from the edge to the frame.
>
> I have also heard of some folks having to remove the shifter boots and
> actually snip mental and even having to leave one of the boots off.
> Others have heated the shifter with a torch and bent it to fit.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> neil wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the reply, do you think that the grinding that I experience
> > going from first to second is primarily caused by the 3 inch lift? If
> > so, is there an after market item that can help to compensate for all
> > of the additional rough shifting that occurrs as a result of the lift?
> >
> > Or should I just check all of the fluids and ensure that no water is in
> > where it should not be? Or both? The grinding that occurs from 1st
> > gear to 2nd is the only complaint that I have about the vehicle, if I
> > could solve that problem, then I would be very pleased with the Jeep's
> > performance. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -Neil
> >
> > Micah wrote:
> > > Having a 3 inch body lift means your body is 3" higher above the
> > > transmission than it should be. Since your shifter goes from the
> > > transmission, through the body and into the cab, this usually results
> > > in some pretty rough shifting, it kind of makes you have to move the
> > > stick in ways the transmission doesn't want it to go.
--
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11-05-2006, 11:29 AM
#42
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Re: having to double clutching on an 04 Wrangler X
This makes sense, but if it is grinding already, I would agree with those
who say that a synchro is bad. Don't overlook the possibility that the body
lift caused this.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:454E0F8D.F17DB5F3@sympatico.ca...
> I would recommend you first verify that the lift, being so tall, hasn't
> already bent the body mounts on the frame causing the tub to be out of
> line. If the tub is even slightly off center, the shifter can jam
> against it when you try to hit certain gears like 1st or 2nd or if the
> body is leaning the other way, 5th and reverse.
>
> A 3" body lift is so tall it is basically unstable and will stress out
> the mounts or the tub plates. This was happening to a friend from this
> group with one, so we took out the lift tubes and cut them in half to
> give him and another Jeeper from this group both a 1.5" body lift to go
> with their suspension lift. They haven't had problems since.
>
> You would be better off with a cheap coil spring spacer lift and a lower
> tub lift.
>
> To check if the body is out of line you can use a tape measure at the
> corners of the tub and measure from the edge to the frame.
>
> I have also heard of some folks having to remove the shifter boots and
> actually snip mental and even having to leave one of the boots off.
> Others have heated the shifter with a torch and bent it to fit.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> neil wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the reply, do you think that the grinding that I experience
> > going from first to second is primarily caused by the 3 inch lift? If
> > so, is there an after market item that can help to compensate for all
> > of the additional rough shifting that occurrs as a result of the lift?
> >
> > Or should I just check all of the fluids and ensure that no water is in
> > where it should not be? Or both? The grinding that occurs from 1st
> > gear to 2nd is the only complaint that I have about the vehicle, if I
> > could solve that problem, then I would be very pleased with the Jeep's
> > performance. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -Neil
> >
> > Micah wrote:
> > > Having a 3 inch body lift means your body is 3" higher above the
> > > transmission than it should be. Since your shifter goes from the
> > > transmission, through the body and into the cab, this usually results
> > > in some pretty rough shifting, it kind of makes you have to move the
> > > stick in ways the transmission doesn't want it to go.
--
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who say that a synchro is bad. Don't overlook the possibility that the body
lift caused this.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:454E0F8D.F17DB5F3@sympatico.ca...
> I would recommend you first verify that the lift, being so tall, hasn't
> already bent the body mounts on the frame causing the tub to be out of
> line. If the tub is even slightly off center, the shifter can jam
> against it when you try to hit certain gears like 1st or 2nd or if the
> body is leaning the other way, 5th and reverse.
>
> A 3" body lift is so tall it is basically unstable and will stress out
> the mounts or the tub plates. This was happening to a friend from this
> group with one, so we took out the lift tubes and cut them in half to
> give him and another Jeeper from this group both a 1.5" body lift to go
> with their suspension lift. They haven't had problems since.
>
> You would be better off with a cheap coil spring spacer lift and a lower
> tub lift.
>
> To check if the body is out of line you can use a tape measure at the
> corners of the tub and measure from the edge to the frame.
>
> I have also heard of some folks having to remove the shifter boots and
> actually snip mental and even having to leave one of the boots off.
> Others have heated the shifter with a torch and bent it to fit.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> neil wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the reply, do you think that the grinding that I experience
> > going from first to second is primarily caused by the 3 inch lift? If
> > so, is there an after market item that can help to compensate for all
> > of the additional rough shifting that occurrs as a result of the lift?
> >
> > Or should I just check all of the fluids and ensure that no water is in
> > where it should not be? Or both? The grinding that occurs from 1st
> > gear to 2nd is the only complaint that I have about the vehicle, if I
> > could solve that problem, then I would be very pleased with the Jeep's
> > performance. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -Neil
> >
> > Micah wrote:
> > > Having a 3 inch body lift means your body is 3" higher above the
> > > transmission than it should be. Since your shifter goes from the
> > > transmission, through the body and into the cab, this usually results
> > > in some pretty rough shifting, it kind of makes you have to move the
> > > stick in ways the transmission doesn't want it to go.
--
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11-05-2006, 11:29 AM
#43
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Re: having to double clutching on an 04 Wrangler X
This makes sense, but if it is grinding already, I would agree with those
who say that a synchro is bad. Don't overlook the possibility that the body
lift caused this.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:454E0F8D.F17DB5F3@sympatico.ca...
> I would recommend you first verify that the lift, being so tall, hasn't
> already bent the body mounts on the frame causing the tub to be out of
> line. If the tub is even slightly off center, the shifter can jam
> against it when you try to hit certain gears like 1st or 2nd or if the
> body is leaning the other way, 5th and reverse.
>
> A 3" body lift is so tall it is basically unstable and will stress out
> the mounts or the tub plates. This was happening to a friend from this
> group with one, so we took out the lift tubes and cut them in half to
> give him and another Jeeper from this group both a 1.5" body lift to go
> with their suspension lift. They haven't had problems since.
>
> You would be better off with a cheap coil spring spacer lift and a lower
> tub lift.
>
> To check if the body is out of line you can use a tape measure at the
> corners of the tub and measure from the edge to the frame.
>
> I have also heard of some folks having to remove the shifter boots and
> actually snip mental and even having to leave one of the boots off.
> Others have heated the shifter with a torch and bent it to fit.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> neil wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the reply, do you think that the grinding that I experience
> > going from first to second is primarily caused by the 3 inch lift? If
> > so, is there an after market item that can help to compensate for all
> > of the additional rough shifting that occurrs as a result of the lift?
> >
> > Or should I just check all of the fluids and ensure that no water is in
> > where it should not be? Or both? The grinding that occurs from 1st
> > gear to 2nd is the only complaint that I have about the vehicle, if I
> > could solve that problem, then I would be very pleased with the Jeep's
> > performance. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -Neil
> >
> > Micah wrote:
> > > Having a 3 inch body lift means your body is 3" higher above the
> > > transmission than it should be. Since your shifter goes from the
> > > transmission, through the body and into the cab, this usually results
> > > in some pretty rough shifting, it kind of makes you have to move the
> > > stick in ways the transmission doesn't want it to go.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
who say that a synchro is bad. Don't overlook the possibility that the body
lift caused this.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:454E0F8D.F17DB5F3@sympatico.ca...
> I would recommend you first verify that the lift, being so tall, hasn't
> already bent the body mounts on the frame causing the tub to be out of
> line. If the tub is even slightly off center, the shifter can jam
> against it when you try to hit certain gears like 1st or 2nd or if the
> body is leaning the other way, 5th and reverse.
>
> A 3" body lift is so tall it is basically unstable and will stress out
> the mounts or the tub plates. This was happening to a friend from this
> group with one, so we took out the lift tubes and cut them in half to
> give him and another Jeeper from this group both a 1.5" body lift to go
> with their suspension lift. They haven't had problems since.
>
> You would be better off with a cheap coil spring spacer lift and a lower
> tub lift.
>
> To check if the body is out of line you can use a tape measure at the
> corners of the tub and measure from the edge to the frame.
>
> I have also heard of some folks having to remove the shifter boots and
> actually snip mental and even having to leave one of the boots off.
> Others have heated the shifter with a torch and bent it to fit.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> neil wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the reply, do you think that the grinding that I experience
> > going from first to second is primarily caused by the 3 inch lift? If
> > so, is there an after market item that can help to compensate for all
> > of the additional rough shifting that occurrs as a result of the lift?
> >
> > Or should I just check all of the fluids and ensure that no water is in
> > where it should not be? Or both? The grinding that occurs from 1st
> > gear to 2nd is the only complaint that I have about the vehicle, if I
> > could solve that problem, then I would be very pleased with the Jeep's
> > performance. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -Neil
> >
> > Micah wrote:
> > > Having a 3 inch body lift means your body is 3" higher above the
> > > transmission than it should be. Since your shifter goes from the
> > > transmission, through the body and into the cab, this usually results
> > > in some pretty rough shifting, it kind of makes you have to move the
> > > stick in ways the transmission doesn't want it to go.
--
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11-05-2006, 12:05 PM
#44
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Re: having to double clutching on an 04 Wrangler X
Unfortunately I moved the wrong way this week and my damaged neck went
insane on me so I can't even drive, can barely breath. It's a bummer,
it is our anniversary this weekend and we had a cottage with a nice cozy
fireplace and outdoor hot tub waiting for us... Wheeling wasn't really
on the agenda.
Mike
billy ray wrote:
>
> Mike, I thought you were going wheeling this weekend?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:454E0F8D.F17DB5F3@sympatico.ca...
> >I would recommend you first verify that the lift, being so tall, hasn't
> > already bent the body mounts on the frame causing the tub to be out of
> > line. If the tub is even slightly off center, the shifter can jam
> > against it when you try to hit certain gears like 1st or 2nd or if the
> > body is leaning the other way, 5th and reverse.
> >
> > A 3" body lift is so tall it is basically unstable and will stress out
> > the mounts or the tub plates. This was happening to a friend from this
> > group with one, so we took out the lift tubes and cut them in half to
> > give him and another Jeeper from this group both a 1.5" body lift to go
> > with their suspension lift. They haven't had problems since.
> >
> > You would be better off with a cheap coil spring spacer lift and a lower
> > tub lift.
> >
> > To check if the body is out of line you can use a tape measure at the
> > corners of the tub and measure from the edge to the frame.
> >
> > I have also heard of some folks having to remove the shifter boots and
> > actually snip mental and even having to leave one of the boots off.
> > Others have heated the shifter with a torch and bent it to fit.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > neil wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks for the reply, do you think that the grinding that I experience
> >> going from first to second is primarily caused by the 3 inch lift? If
> >> so, is there an after market item that can help to compensate for all
> >> of the additional rough shifting that occurrs as a result of the lift?
> >>
> >> Or should I just check all of the fluids and ensure that no water is in
> >> where it should not be? Or both? The grinding that occurs from 1st
> >> gear to 2nd is the only complaint that I have about the vehicle, if I
> >> could solve that problem, then I would be very pleased with the Jeep's
> >> performance. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -Neil
> >>
> >> Micah wrote:
> >> > Having a 3 inch body lift means your body is 3" higher above the
> >> > transmission than it should be. Since your shifter goes from the
> >> > transmission, through the body and into the cab, this usually results
> >> > in some pretty rough shifting, it kind of makes you have to move the
> >> > stick in ways the transmission doesn't want it to go.
insane on me so I can't even drive, can barely breath. It's a bummer,
it is our anniversary this weekend and we had a cottage with a nice cozy
fireplace and outdoor hot tub waiting for us... Wheeling wasn't really
on the agenda.
Mike
billy ray wrote:
>
> Mike, I thought you were going wheeling this weekend?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:454E0F8D.F17DB5F3@sympatico.ca...
> >I would recommend you first verify that the lift, being so tall, hasn't
> > already bent the body mounts on the frame causing the tub to be out of
> > line. If the tub is even slightly off center, the shifter can jam
> > against it when you try to hit certain gears like 1st or 2nd or if the
> > body is leaning the other way, 5th and reverse.
> >
> > A 3" body lift is so tall it is basically unstable and will stress out
> > the mounts or the tub plates. This was happening to a friend from this
> > group with one, so we took out the lift tubes and cut them in half to
> > give him and another Jeeper from this group both a 1.5" body lift to go
> > with their suspension lift. They haven't had problems since.
> >
> > You would be better off with a cheap coil spring spacer lift and a lower
> > tub lift.
> >
> > To check if the body is out of line you can use a tape measure at the
> > corners of the tub and measure from the edge to the frame.
> >
> > I have also heard of some folks having to remove the shifter boots and
> > actually snip mental and even having to leave one of the boots off.
> > Others have heated the shifter with a torch and bent it to fit.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > neil wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks for the reply, do you think that the grinding that I experience
> >> going from first to second is primarily caused by the 3 inch lift? If
> >> so, is there an after market item that can help to compensate for all
> >> of the additional rough shifting that occurrs as a result of the lift?
> >>
> >> Or should I just check all of the fluids and ensure that no water is in
> >> where it should not be? Or both? The grinding that occurs from 1st
> >> gear to 2nd is the only complaint that I have about the vehicle, if I
> >> could solve that problem, then I would be very pleased with the Jeep's
> >> performance. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -Neil
> >>
> >> Micah wrote:
> >> > Having a 3 inch body lift means your body is 3" higher above the
> >> > transmission than it should be. Since your shifter goes from the
> >> > transmission, through the body and into the cab, this usually results
> >> > in some pretty rough shifting, it kind of makes you have to move the
> >> > stick in ways the transmission doesn't want it to go.
11-05-2006, 12:05 PM
#45
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: having to double clutching on an 04 Wrangler X
Unfortunately I moved the wrong way this week and my damaged neck went
insane on me so I can't even drive, can barely breath. It's a bummer,
it is our anniversary this weekend and we had a cottage with a nice cozy
fireplace and outdoor hot tub waiting for us... Wheeling wasn't really
on the agenda.
Mike
billy ray wrote:
>
> Mike, I thought you were going wheeling this weekend?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:454E0F8D.F17DB5F3@sympatico.ca...
> >I would recommend you first verify that the lift, being so tall, hasn't
> > already bent the body mounts on the frame causing the tub to be out of
> > line. If the tub is even slightly off center, the shifter can jam
> > against it when you try to hit certain gears like 1st or 2nd or if the
> > body is leaning the other way, 5th and reverse.
> >
> > A 3" body lift is so tall it is basically unstable and will stress out
> > the mounts or the tub plates. This was happening to a friend from this
> > group with one, so we took out the lift tubes and cut them in half to
> > give him and another Jeeper from this group both a 1.5" body lift to go
> > with their suspension lift. They haven't had problems since.
> >
> > You would be better off with a cheap coil spring spacer lift and a lower
> > tub lift.
> >
> > To check if the body is out of line you can use a tape measure at the
> > corners of the tub and measure from the edge to the frame.
> >
> > I have also heard of some folks having to remove the shifter boots and
> > actually snip mental and even having to leave one of the boots off.
> > Others have heated the shifter with a torch and bent it to fit.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > neil wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks for the reply, do you think that the grinding that I experience
> >> going from first to second is primarily caused by the 3 inch lift? If
> >> so, is there an after market item that can help to compensate for all
> >> of the additional rough shifting that occurrs as a result of the lift?
> >>
> >> Or should I just check all of the fluids and ensure that no water is in
> >> where it should not be? Or both? The grinding that occurs from 1st
> >> gear to 2nd is the only complaint that I have about the vehicle, if I
> >> could solve that problem, then I would be very pleased with the Jeep's
> >> performance. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -Neil
> >>
> >> Micah wrote:
> >> > Having a 3 inch body lift means your body is 3" higher above the
> >> > transmission than it should be. Since your shifter goes from the
> >> > transmission, through the body and into the cab, this usually results
> >> > in some pretty rough shifting, it kind of makes you have to move the
> >> > stick in ways the transmission doesn't want it to go.
insane on me so I can't even drive, can barely breath. It's a bummer,
it is our anniversary this weekend and we had a cottage with a nice cozy
fireplace and outdoor hot tub waiting for us... Wheeling wasn't really
on the agenda.
Mike
billy ray wrote:
>
> Mike, I thought you were going wheeling this weekend?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:454E0F8D.F17DB5F3@sympatico.ca...
> >I would recommend you first verify that the lift, being so tall, hasn't
> > already bent the body mounts on the frame causing the tub to be out of
> > line. If the tub is even slightly off center, the shifter can jam
> > against it when you try to hit certain gears like 1st or 2nd or if the
> > body is leaning the other way, 5th and reverse.
> >
> > A 3" body lift is so tall it is basically unstable and will stress out
> > the mounts or the tub plates. This was happening to a friend from this
> > group with one, so we took out the lift tubes and cut them in half to
> > give him and another Jeeper from this group both a 1.5" body lift to go
> > with their suspension lift. They haven't had problems since.
> >
> > You would be better off with a cheap coil spring spacer lift and a lower
> > tub lift.
> >
> > To check if the body is out of line you can use a tape measure at the
> > corners of the tub and measure from the edge to the frame.
> >
> > I have also heard of some folks having to remove the shifter boots and
> > actually snip mental and even having to leave one of the boots off.
> > Others have heated the shifter with a torch and bent it to fit.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > neil wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks for the reply, do you think that the grinding that I experience
> >> going from first to second is primarily caused by the 3 inch lift? If
> >> so, is there an after market item that can help to compensate for all
> >> of the additional rough shifting that occurrs as a result of the lift?
> >>
> >> Or should I just check all of the fluids and ensure that no water is in
> >> where it should not be? Or both? The grinding that occurs from 1st
> >> gear to 2nd is the only complaint that I have about the vehicle, if I
> >> could solve that problem, then I would be very pleased with the Jeep's
> >> performance. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -Neil
> >>
> >> Micah wrote:
> >> > Having a 3 inch body lift means your body is 3" higher above the
> >> > transmission than it should be. Since your shifter goes from the
> >> > transmission, through the body and into the cab, this usually results
> >> > in some pretty rough shifting, it kind of makes you have to move the
> >> > stick in ways the transmission doesn't want it to go.
11-05-2006, 12:05 PM
#46
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Posts: n/a
Re: having to double clutching on an 04 Wrangler X
Unfortunately I moved the wrong way this week and my damaged neck went
insane on me so I can't even drive, can barely breath. It's a bummer,
it is our anniversary this weekend and we had a cottage with a nice cozy
fireplace and outdoor hot tub waiting for us... Wheeling wasn't really
on the agenda.
Mike
billy ray wrote:
>
> Mike, I thought you were going wheeling this weekend?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:454E0F8D.F17DB5F3@sympatico.ca...
> >I would recommend you first verify that the lift, being so tall, hasn't
> > already bent the body mounts on the frame causing the tub to be out of
> > line. If the tub is even slightly off center, the shifter can jam
> > against it when you try to hit certain gears like 1st or 2nd or if the
> > body is leaning the other way, 5th and reverse.
> >
> > A 3" body lift is so tall it is basically unstable and will stress out
> > the mounts or the tub plates. This was happening to a friend from this
> > group with one, so we took out the lift tubes and cut them in half to
> > give him and another Jeeper from this group both a 1.5" body lift to go
> > with their suspension lift. They haven't had problems since.
> >
> > You would be better off with a cheap coil spring spacer lift and a lower
> > tub lift.
> >
> > To check if the body is out of line you can use a tape measure at the
> > corners of the tub and measure from the edge to the frame.
> >
> > I have also heard of some folks having to remove the shifter boots and
> > actually snip mental and even having to leave one of the boots off.
> > Others have heated the shifter with a torch and bent it to fit.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > neil wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks for the reply, do you think that the grinding that I experience
> >> going from first to second is primarily caused by the 3 inch lift? If
> >> so, is there an after market item that can help to compensate for all
> >> of the additional rough shifting that occurrs as a result of the lift?
> >>
> >> Or should I just check all of the fluids and ensure that no water is in
> >> where it should not be? Or both? The grinding that occurs from 1st
> >> gear to 2nd is the only complaint that I have about the vehicle, if I
> >> could solve that problem, then I would be very pleased with the Jeep's
> >> performance. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -Neil
> >>
> >> Micah wrote:
> >> > Having a 3 inch body lift means your body is 3" higher above the
> >> > transmission than it should be. Since your shifter goes from the
> >> > transmission, through the body and into the cab, this usually results
> >> > in some pretty rough shifting, it kind of makes you have to move the
> >> > stick in ways the transmission doesn't want it to go.
insane on me so I can't even drive, can barely breath. It's a bummer,
it is our anniversary this weekend and we had a cottage with a nice cozy
fireplace and outdoor hot tub waiting for us... Wheeling wasn't really
on the agenda.
Mike
billy ray wrote:
>
> Mike, I thought you were going wheeling this weekend?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:454E0F8D.F17DB5F3@sympatico.ca...
> >I would recommend you first verify that the lift, being so tall, hasn't
> > already bent the body mounts on the frame causing the tub to be out of
> > line. If the tub is even slightly off center, the shifter can jam
> > against it when you try to hit certain gears like 1st or 2nd or if the
> > body is leaning the other way, 5th and reverse.
> >
> > A 3" body lift is so tall it is basically unstable and will stress out
> > the mounts or the tub plates. This was happening to a friend from this
> > group with one, so we took out the lift tubes and cut them in half to
> > give him and another Jeeper from this group both a 1.5" body lift to go
> > with their suspension lift. They haven't had problems since.
> >
> > You would be better off with a cheap coil spring spacer lift and a lower
> > tub lift.
> >
> > To check if the body is out of line you can use a tape measure at the
> > corners of the tub and measure from the edge to the frame.
> >
> > I have also heard of some folks having to remove the shifter boots and
> > actually snip mental and even having to leave one of the boots off.
> > Others have heated the shifter with a torch and bent it to fit.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > neil wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks for the reply, do you think that the grinding that I experience
> >> going from first to second is primarily caused by the 3 inch lift? If
> >> so, is there an after market item that can help to compensate for all
> >> of the additional rough shifting that occurrs as a result of the lift?
> >>
> >> Or should I just check all of the fluids and ensure that no water is in
> >> where it should not be? Or both? The grinding that occurs from 1st
> >> gear to 2nd is the only complaint that I have about the vehicle, if I
> >> could solve that problem, then I would be very pleased with the Jeep's
> >> performance. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -Neil
> >>
> >> Micah wrote:
> >> > Having a 3 inch body lift means your body is 3" higher above the
> >> > transmission than it should be. Since your shifter goes from the
> >> > transmission, through the body and into the cab, this usually results
> >> > in some pretty rough shifting, it kind of makes you have to move the
> >> > stick in ways the transmission doesn't want it to go.
11-05-2006, 01:41 PM
#47
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Posts: n/a
Re: having to double clutching on an 04 Wrangler X
Did your '03 TJ have a body lift or was it stock? If it turns out to
be a bad syncronizer gear, how much do you think it would cost for a
shop to fix that for me? Do you think that I should just have someone
at a shop take it for a day or two to see what it might be? I really
would rather not have to cut the body spacers in half or mess with the
lift if I can help it.
Jeff (4X4PLAY) wrote:
> I had the same problem w/ my '03 TJ and it turned out to be bad syncronizer
> gears...Mine did it between 2nd and 3rd...
> Good luck!
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> "Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
> news:SP-dnXQne-cPndDYnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@softcom.net...
> > My '05 TJL has the same problem when it was new. It's better, now that I
> > figured out the problem, which was partial engagement of the clutch
> > plates. Bad habit - I drive a semi, and when we DC shifts when moving or
> > (esp.) when comming to a stop, it's a no-no to push the clutch pedal all
> > the way to the floor. Doing with a TJ will result in a bit of gear
> > grinding and difficult shifting.
> >
> > Next time, consciously push the pedal all the way to the floor before
> > grabbing 2nd. See if it helps.
> >
> > Other causes might be incorrectly adjusted clutch linkage (are the '04
> > hydraulic?), low transmission fluid level, incorrect fluid type, or
> > severely warped/broken clutch parts.
be a bad syncronizer gear, how much do you think it would cost for a
shop to fix that for me? Do you think that I should just have someone
at a shop take it for a day or two to see what it might be? I really
would rather not have to cut the body spacers in half or mess with the
lift if I can help it.
Jeff (4X4PLAY) wrote:
> I had the same problem w/ my '03 TJ and it turned out to be bad syncronizer
> gears...Mine did it between 2nd and 3rd...
> Good luck!
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> "Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
> news:SP-dnXQne-cPndDYnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@softcom.net...
> > My '05 TJL has the same problem when it was new. It's better, now that I
> > figured out the problem, which was partial engagement of the clutch
> > plates. Bad habit - I drive a semi, and when we DC shifts when moving or
> > (esp.) when comming to a stop, it's a no-no to push the clutch pedal all
> > the way to the floor. Doing with a TJ will result in a bit of gear
> > grinding and difficult shifting.
> >
> > Next time, consciously push the pedal all the way to the floor before
> > grabbing 2nd. See if it helps.
> >
> > Other causes might be incorrectly adjusted clutch linkage (are the '04
> > hydraulic?), low transmission fluid level, incorrect fluid type, or
> > severely warped/broken clutch parts.
11-05-2006, 01:41 PM
#48
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: having to double clutching on an 04 Wrangler X
Did your '03 TJ have a body lift or was it stock? If it turns out to
be a bad syncronizer gear, how much do you think it would cost for a
shop to fix that for me? Do you think that I should just have someone
at a shop take it for a day or two to see what it might be? I really
would rather not have to cut the body spacers in half or mess with the
lift if I can help it.
Jeff (4X4PLAY) wrote:
> I had the same problem w/ my '03 TJ and it turned out to be bad syncronizer
> gears...Mine did it between 2nd and 3rd...
> Good luck!
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> "Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
> news:SP-dnXQne-cPndDYnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@softcom.net...
> > My '05 TJL has the same problem when it was new. It's better, now that I
> > figured out the problem, which was partial engagement of the clutch
> > plates. Bad habit - I drive a semi, and when we DC shifts when moving or
> > (esp.) when comming to a stop, it's a no-no to push the clutch pedal all
> > the way to the floor. Doing with a TJ will result in a bit of gear
> > grinding and difficult shifting.
> >
> > Next time, consciously push the pedal all the way to the floor before
> > grabbing 2nd. See if it helps.
> >
> > Other causes might be incorrectly adjusted clutch linkage (are the '04
> > hydraulic?), low transmission fluid level, incorrect fluid type, or
> > severely warped/broken clutch parts.
be a bad syncronizer gear, how much do you think it would cost for a
shop to fix that for me? Do you think that I should just have someone
at a shop take it for a day or two to see what it might be? I really
would rather not have to cut the body spacers in half or mess with the
lift if I can help it.
Jeff (4X4PLAY) wrote:
> I had the same problem w/ my '03 TJ and it turned out to be bad syncronizer
> gears...Mine did it between 2nd and 3rd...
> Good luck!
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> "Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
> news:SP-dnXQne-cPndDYnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@softcom.net...
> > My '05 TJL has the same problem when it was new. It's better, now that I
> > figured out the problem, which was partial engagement of the clutch
> > plates. Bad habit - I drive a semi, and when we DC shifts when moving or
> > (esp.) when comming to a stop, it's a no-no to push the clutch pedal all
> > the way to the floor. Doing with a TJ will result in a bit of gear
> > grinding and difficult shifting.
> >
> > Next time, consciously push the pedal all the way to the floor before
> > grabbing 2nd. See if it helps.
> >
> > Other causes might be incorrectly adjusted clutch linkage (are the '04
> > hydraulic?), low transmission fluid level, incorrect fluid type, or
> > severely warped/broken clutch parts.
11-05-2006, 01:41 PM
#49
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: having to double clutching on an 04 Wrangler X
Did your '03 TJ have a body lift or was it stock? If it turns out to
be a bad syncronizer gear, how much do you think it would cost for a
shop to fix that for me? Do you think that I should just have someone
at a shop take it for a day or two to see what it might be? I really
would rather not have to cut the body spacers in half or mess with the
lift if I can help it.
Jeff (4X4PLAY) wrote:
> I had the same problem w/ my '03 TJ and it turned out to be bad syncronizer
> gears...Mine did it between 2nd and 3rd...
> Good luck!
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> "Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
> news:SP-dnXQne-cPndDYnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@softcom.net...
> > My '05 TJL has the same problem when it was new. It's better, now that I
> > figured out the problem, which was partial engagement of the clutch
> > plates. Bad habit - I drive a semi, and when we DC shifts when moving or
> > (esp.) when comming to a stop, it's a no-no to push the clutch pedal all
> > the way to the floor. Doing with a TJ will result in a bit of gear
> > grinding and difficult shifting.
> >
> > Next time, consciously push the pedal all the way to the floor before
> > grabbing 2nd. See if it helps.
> >
> > Other causes might be incorrectly adjusted clutch linkage (are the '04
> > hydraulic?), low transmission fluid level, incorrect fluid type, or
> > severely warped/broken clutch parts.
be a bad syncronizer gear, how much do you think it would cost for a
shop to fix that for me? Do you think that I should just have someone
at a shop take it for a day or two to see what it might be? I really
would rather not have to cut the body spacers in half or mess with the
lift if I can help it.
Jeff (4X4PLAY) wrote:
> I had the same problem w/ my '03 TJ and it turned out to be bad syncronizer
> gears...Mine did it between 2nd and 3rd...
> Good luck!
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> "Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
> news:SP-dnXQne-cPndDYnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@softcom.net...
> > My '05 TJL has the same problem when it was new. It's better, now that I
> > figured out the problem, which was partial engagement of the clutch
> > plates. Bad habit - I drive a semi, and when we DC shifts when moving or
> > (esp.) when comming to a stop, it's a no-no to push the clutch pedal all
> > the way to the floor. Doing with a TJ will result in a bit of gear
> > grinding and difficult shifting.
> >
> > Next time, consciously push the pedal all the way to the floor before
> > grabbing 2nd. See if it helps.
> >
> > Other causes might be incorrectly adjusted clutch linkage (are the '04
> > hydraulic?), low transmission fluid level, incorrect fluid type, or
> > severely warped/broken clutch parts.
11-05-2006, 01:41 PM
#50
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Posts: n/a
Re: having to double clutching on an 04 Wrangler X
Did your '03 TJ have a body lift or was it stock? If it turns out to
be a bad syncronizer gear, how much do you think it would cost for a
shop to fix that for me? Do you think that I should just have someone
at a shop take it for a day or two to see what it might be? I really
would rather not have to cut the body spacers in half or mess with the
lift if I can help it.
Jeff (4X4PLAY) wrote:
> I had the same problem w/ my '03 TJ and it turned out to be bad syncronizer
> gears...Mine did it between 2nd and 3rd...
> Good luck!
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> "Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
> news:SP-dnXQne-cPndDYnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@softcom.net...
> > My '05 TJL has the same problem when it was new. It's better, now that I
> > figured out the problem, which was partial engagement of the clutch
> > plates. Bad habit - I drive a semi, and when we DC shifts when moving or
> > (esp.) when comming to a stop, it's a no-no to push the clutch pedal all
> > the way to the floor. Doing with a TJ will result in a bit of gear
> > grinding and difficult shifting.
> >
> > Next time, consciously push the pedal all the way to the floor before
> > grabbing 2nd. See if it helps.
> >
> > Other causes might be incorrectly adjusted clutch linkage (are the '04
> > hydraulic?), low transmission fluid level, incorrect fluid type, or
> > severely warped/broken clutch parts.
be a bad syncronizer gear, how much do you think it would cost for a
shop to fix that for me? Do you think that I should just have someone
at a shop take it for a day or two to see what it might be? I really
would rather not have to cut the body spacers in half or mess with the
lift if I can help it.
Jeff (4X4PLAY) wrote:
> I had the same problem w/ my '03 TJ and it turned out to be bad syncronizer
> gears...Mine did it between 2nd and 3rd...
> Good luck!
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> "Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
> news:SP-dnXQne-cPndDYnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@softcom.net...
> > My '05 TJL has the same problem when it was new. It's better, now that I
> > figured out the problem, which was partial engagement of the clutch
> > plates. Bad habit - I drive a semi, and when we DC shifts when moving or
> > (esp.) when comming to a stop, it's a no-no to push the clutch pedal all
> > the way to the floor. Doing with a TJ will result in a bit of gear
> > grinding and difficult shifting.
> >
> > Next time, consciously push the pedal all the way to the floor before
> > grabbing 2nd. See if it helps.
> >
> > Other causes might be incorrectly adjusted clutch linkage (are the '04
> > hydraulic?), low transmission fluid level, incorrect fluid type, or
> > severely warped/broken clutch parts.