On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:54:54 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> It is sure nice when you can find a straight up honest and 'good'
> mechanic, but they are rare!

And worth a few bucks extra after waiting for an appointment! Friend
of mine opened a garage to help support his stock car "hobby" several
years back. Now, it takes a week to get into a bay in the shop and he
tells you right up front that he will cost you more than some places
because he does the job the way he thinks it needs to be done or he
doesn't do it at all. Funny thing is, it's far more common to hear
this guy tell a customer that he really doesn't need the extra work
than it is to hear him try to sell something on top of the actual
repair. Maybe that's why every couple of years he adds another bay
(and doesn't have time for stock car racing anymore). His is the only
shop that puts a wrench on my vehicles unless he sends me to a
specialty shop HE recommends.

--
Will Honea

 

On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:54:54 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> It is sure nice when you can find a straight up honest and 'good'
> mechanic, but they are rare!

And worth a few bucks extra after waiting for an appointment! Friend
of mine opened a garage to help support his stock car "hobby" several
years back. Now, it takes a week to get into a bay in the shop and he
tells you right up front that he will cost you more than some places
because he does the job the way he thinks it needs to be done or he
doesn't do it at all. Funny thing is, it's far more common to hear
this guy tell a customer that he really doesn't need the extra work
than it is to hear him try to sell something on top of the actual
repair. Maybe that's why every couple of years he adds another bay
(and doesn't have time for stock car racing anymore). His is the only
shop that puts a wrench on my vehicles unless he sends me to a
specialty shop HE recommends.

--
Will Honea

 

On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:54:54 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> It is sure nice when you can find a straight up honest and 'good'
> mechanic, but they are rare!

And worth a few bucks extra after waiting for an appointment! Friend
of mine opened a garage to help support his stock car "hobby" several
years back. Now, it takes a week to get into a bay in the shop and he
tells you right up front that he will cost you more than some places
because he does the job the way he thinks it needs to be done or he
doesn't do it at all. Funny thing is, it's far more common to hear
this guy tell a customer that he really doesn't need the extra work
than it is to hear him try to sell something on top of the actual
repair. Maybe that's why every couple of years he adds another bay
(and doesn't have time for stock car racing anymore). His is the only
shop that puts a wrench on my vehicles unless he sends me to a
specialty shop HE recommends.

--
Will Honea

 

we mechanics need your help to change the system! it is exactly like jerry
describes and thats were the problem lies and you the customers loses
when i worked in a dealer that paid me hourly, no flat rate i would only have 2
-3 comebacs a year and all the cars went out fixed no matter what!
now i'm flat rate and could care less i,m forced to work fast and turn hours
regardless of the satisfaction of you the customer and my boss has warned me
turn hours or get fired! i have to work within the system i'm given
help change the system


Jerry Bransford wrote:

> Heh, I have discovered that the dream and reality are different Matt. :)
>
> Doug, yes the shop foreman eventually finds out about most of the bad work
> but not all. However, I too feel that the flat rate system encourages the
> mechanic to hurry too much in an effort to make more money for both himself
> and his shop. Trying to do a job in 3 hours that the flat rate book say
> should take 6 hours so he can make more $$$ is just asking for shoddy work
> if the mechanic is less than totally conscientious... as in tending to think
> "that's good enough" when he hasn't really checked everything all that
> closely.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:BeSdnbr5fIgAS3vdRVn-jw@comcast.com...
> > "Geezer OffRoad!" :-) Sounds like you're living my dream...
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:FlAFc.14209$Qj6.5979@fed1read05...
> > > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> > > news:MdAFc.35101$Lh.18147@okepread01...Don't believe for one second if a
> > > mechanic
> > > > screws up it isn't noticed by the shop forman.
> > >
> > > Doug, I recently got into the business where I have three different
> shops
> > > lifting trucks and Jeeps, installing accessories, and adding big tires
> and
> > > wheels. Believe me, I've discovered that the shop foreman doesn't catch
> > > half the stuff the mechanic screws up... my customers and I do though.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

 

we mechanics need your help to change the system! it is exactly like jerry
describes and thats were the problem lies and you the customers loses
when i worked in a dealer that paid me hourly, no flat rate i would only have 2
-3 comebacs a year and all the cars went out fixed no matter what!
now i'm flat rate and could care less i,m forced to work fast and turn hours
regardless of the satisfaction of you the customer and my boss has warned me
turn hours or get fired! i have to work within the system i'm given
help change the system


Jerry Bransford wrote:

> Heh, I have discovered that the dream and reality are different Matt. :)
>
> Doug, yes the shop foreman eventually finds out about most of the bad work
> but not all. However, I too feel that the flat rate system encourages the
> mechanic to hurry too much in an effort to make more money for both himself
> and his shop. Trying to do a job in 3 hours that the flat rate book say
> should take 6 hours so he can make more $$$ is just asking for shoddy work
> if the mechanic is less than totally conscientious... as in tending to think
> "that's good enough" when he hasn't really checked everything all that
> closely.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:BeSdnbr5fIgAS3vdRVn-jw@comcast.com...
> > "Geezer OffRoad!" :-) Sounds like you're living my dream...
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:FlAFc.14209$Qj6.5979@fed1read05...
> > > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> > > news:MdAFc.35101$Lh.18147@okepread01...Don't believe for one second if a
> > > mechanic
> > > > screws up it isn't noticed by the shop forman.
> > >
> > > Doug, I recently got into the business where I have three different
> shops
> > > lifting trucks and Jeeps, installing accessories, and adding big tires
> and
> > > wheels. Believe me, I've discovered that the shop foreman doesn't catch
> > > half the stuff the mechanic screws up... my customers and I do though.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

 

we mechanics need your help to change the system! it is exactly like jerry
describes and thats were the problem lies and you the customers loses
when i worked in a dealer that paid me hourly, no flat rate i would only have 2
-3 comebacs a year and all the cars went out fixed no matter what!
now i'm flat rate and could care less i,m forced to work fast and turn hours
regardless of the satisfaction of you the customer and my boss has warned me
turn hours or get fired! i have to work within the system i'm given
help change the system


Jerry Bransford wrote:

> Heh, I have discovered that the dream and reality are different Matt. :)
>
> Doug, yes the shop foreman eventually finds out about most of the bad work
> but not all. However, I too feel that the flat rate system encourages the
> mechanic to hurry too much in an effort to make more money for both himself
> and his shop. Trying to do a job in 3 hours that the flat rate book say
> should take 6 hours so he can make more $$$ is just asking for shoddy work
> if the mechanic is less than totally conscientious... as in tending to think
> "that's good enough" when he hasn't really checked everything all that
> closely.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:BeSdnbr5fIgAS3vdRVn-jw@comcast.com...
> > "Geezer OffRoad!" :-) Sounds like you're living my dream...
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:FlAFc.14209$Qj6.5979@fed1read05...
> > > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> > > news:MdAFc.35101$Lh.18147@okepread01...Don't believe for one second if a
> > > mechanic
> > > > screws up it isn't noticed by the shop forman.
> > >
> > > Doug, I recently got into the business where I have three different
> shops
> > > lifting trucks and Jeeps, installing accessories, and adding big tires
> and
> > > wheels. Believe me, I've discovered that the shop foreman doesn't catch
> > > half the stuff the mechanic screws up... my customers and I do though.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

 

we mechanics need your help to change the system! it is exactly like jerry
describes and thats were the problem lies and you the customers loses
when i worked in a dealer that paid me hourly, no flat rate i would only have 2
-3 comebacs a year and all the cars went out fixed no matter what!
now i'm flat rate and could care less i,m forced to work fast and turn hours
regardless of the satisfaction of you the customer and my boss has warned me
turn hours or get fired! i have to work within the system i'm given
help change the system


Jerry Bransford wrote:

> Heh, I have discovered that the dream and reality are different Matt. :)
>
> Doug, yes the shop foreman eventually finds out about most of the bad work
> but not all. However, I too feel that the flat rate system encourages the
> mechanic to hurry too much in an effort to make more money for both himself
> and his shop. Trying to do a job in 3 hours that the flat rate book say
> should take 6 hours so he can make more $$$ is just asking for shoddy work
> if the mechanic is less than totally conscientious... as in tending to think
> "that's good enough" when he hasn't really checked everything all that
> closely.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:BeSdnbr5fIgAS3vdRVn-jw@comcast.com...
> > "Geezer OffRoad!" :-) Sounds like you're living my dream...
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:FlAFc.14209$Qj6.5979@fed1read05...
> > > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> > > news:MdAFc.35101$Lh.18147@okepread01...Don't believe for one second if a
> > > mechanic
> > > > screws up it isn't noticed by the shop forman.
> > >
> > > Doug, I recently got into the business where I have three different
> shops
> > > lifting trucks and Jeeps, installing accessories, and adding big tires
> and
> > > wheels. Believe me, I've discovered that the shop foreman doesn't catch
> > > half the stuff the mechanic screws up... my customers and I do though.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

 

hmm lets see 108 a hour at 40 hours a week comes to 4320.00 a week now deduct
24 a hour the tech makes turning 40 hrs thats 960.00 weeks
equals
========

$3360.00 dealer takes
and now you can see what kind or money is taken out of your pockets
now times that by 7 techs and you get $23.520.00 for a week and thats at 40
hrs
now the dealer wants you to turn 50 to 60 hr. and i'll let you do the math
come to the end of the month it comes to 94,040.00 now tell me who is the
rip-off artist
now these figures do not include what the crafty service write comes up with
and add the chemical fee, the deposal fee for oil. which is usually taken by a
recycler for free, or the dealer gets paid a few bucs for
mike u really need to get it! what you think you see going on is really 180
degrees of what actually does occur and why

JohanB wrote:

> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Spoken like a true dealer tech!
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > Man you 'sure' make mechanics look bad and make the point of the
> > stereotype sleaze ball rip off dealer mechanic with about every post you
> > make.
> >
>
> Hmmmmm.....
>
> I flag an average of 10/12 hours a day , does that make me a "sleaze
> ball rip off dealer mechanic" or does that mean I have more experience
> in most jobs and work fast ????
>
> A brake job pays 2 hours an axle so if you have a car with oilchange
> front rear brakes and lets say 4 tires you will get 2+2+1.7+0.3= 6 hours
> and do it in 3 /3.5 hours you will make money and that doesnt mean
> youre ripping off the customer because he will pay $199 an axle for a
> brake job, $25 for mounting/balance tires + tires and $19.95 for the
> oilchange.
>
> Yeah, DIAGNOSE a electrical or driveability problem they pays 1 hour
> wich is "FREE" at pepboys etc, but remember they dont diagnose, they
> pull codes trow parts at it and then send it to the dealer because it
> didnt fix it.
>
> Just because the PCM give you a 02 sensor lean code doesnt mean it needs
> O2 sensors.
>
> Unfortunaly some off those Pepboy mechanics end up at the dealer and
> then offcourse some off those Pepboy mechanics really know what they are
> doing and shouldnt be working there.
>
> And then there is the labor rate, $108 an hour where I work, Please dont
> think a tech still get 40/50% of the labor rate , those days are long
> gone $10/15 if youre a luby $15/23 when your a cert tech and $23/30 when
> youre a master tech so somebody is pocketing $70-$80 an hour and its not
> the techs :-(
>
> Just my 2c
>
> Anyways
>
> Happy 4th
>
> Johan
>
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> >

 

hmm lets see 108 a hour at 40 hours a week comes to 4320.00 a week now deduct
24 a hour the tech makes turning 40 hrs thats 960.00 weeks
equals
========

$3360.00 dealer takes
and now you can see what kind or money is taken out of your pockets
now times that by 7 techs and you get $23.520.00 for a week and thats at 40
hrs
now the dealer wants you to turn 50 to 60 hr. and i'll let you do the math
come to the end of the month it comes to 94,040.00 now tell me who is the
rip-off artist
now these figures do not include what the crafty service write comes up with
and add the chemical fee, the deposal fee for oil. which is usually taken by a
recycler for free, or the dealer gets paid a few bucs for
mike u really need to get it! what you think you see going on is really 180
degrees of what actually does occur and why

JohanB wrote:

> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Spoken like a true dealer tech!
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > Man you 'sure' make mechanics look bad and make the point of the
> > stereotype sleaze ball rip off dealer mechanic with about every post you
> > make.
> >
>
> Hmmmmm.....
>
> I flag an average of 10/12 hours a day , does that make me a "sleaze
> ball rip off dealer mechanic" or does that mean I have more experience
> in most jobs and work fast ????
>
> A brake job pays 2 hours an axle so if you have a car with oilchange
> front rear brakes and lets say 4 tires you will get 2+2+1.7+0.3= 6 hours
> and do it in 3 /3.5 hours you will make money and that doesnt mean
> youre ripping off the customer because he will pay $199 an axle for a
> brake job, $25 for mounting/balance tires + tires and $19.95 for the
> oilchange.
>
> Yeah, DIAGNOSE a electrical or driveability problem they pays 1 hour
> wich is "FREE" at pepboys etc, but remember they dont diagnose, they
> pull codes trow parts at it and then send it to the dealer because it
> didnt fix it.
>
> Just because the PCM give you a 02 sensor lean code doesnt mean it needs
> O2 sensors.
>
> Unfortunaly some off those Pepboy mechanics end up at the dealer and
> then offcourse some off those Pepboy mechanics really know what they are
> doing and shouldnt be working there.
>
> And then there is the labor rate, $108 an hour where I work, Please dont
> think a tech still get 40/50% of the labor rate , those days are long
> gone $10/15 if youre a luby $15/23 when your a cert tech and $23/30 when
> youre a master tech so somebody is pocketing $70-$80 an hour and its not
> the techs :-(
>
> Just my 2c
>
> Anyways
>
> Happy 4th
>
> Johan
>
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> >

 

hmm lets see 108 a hour at 40 hours a week comes to 4320.00 a week now deduct
24 a hour the tech makes turning 40 hrs thats 960.00 weeks
equals
========

$3360.00 dealer takes
and now you can see what kind or money is taken out of your pockets
now times that by 7 techs and you get $23.520.00 for a week and thats at 40
hrs
now the dealer wants you to turn 50 to 60 hr. and i'll let you do the math
come to the end of the month it comes to 94,040.00 now tell me who is the
rip-off artist
now these figures do not include what the crafty service write comes up with
and add the chemical fee, the deposal fee for oil. which is usually taken by a
recycler for free, or the dealer gets paid a few bucs for
mike u really need to get it! what you think you see going on is really 180
degrees of what actually does occur and why

JohanB wrote:

> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Spoken like a true dealer tech!
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > Man you 'sure' make mechanics look bad and make the point of the
> > stereotype sleaze ball rip off dealer mechanic with about every post you
> > make.
> >
>
> Hmmmmm.....
>
> I flag an average of 10/12 hours a day , does that make me a "sleaze
> ball rip off dealer mechanic" or does that mean I have more experience
> in most jobs and work fast ????
>
> A brake job pays 2 hours an axle so if you have a car with oilchange
> front rear brakes and lets say 4 tires you will get 2+2+1.7+0.3= 6 hours
> and do it in 3 /3.5 hours you will make money and that doesnt mean
> youre ripping off the customer because he will pay $199 an axle for a
> brake job, $25 for mounting/balance tires + tires and $19.95 for the
> oilchange.
>
> Yeah, DIAGNOSE a electrical or driveability problem they pays 1 hour
> wich is "FREE" at pepboys etc, but remember they dont diagnose, they
> pull codes trow parts at it and then send it to the dealer because it
> didnt fix it.
>
> Just because the PCM give you a 02 sensor lean code doesnt mean it needs
> O2 sensors.
>
> Unfortunaly some off those Pepboy mechanics end up at the dealer and
> then offcourse some off those Pepboy mechanics really know what they are
> doing and shouldnt be working there.
>
> And then there is the labor rate, $108 an hour where I work, Please dont
> think a tech still get 40/50% of the labor rate , those days are long
> gone $10/15 if youre a luby $15/23 when your a cert tech and $23/30 when
> youre a master tech so somebody is pocketing $70-$80 an hour and its not
> the techs :-(
>
> Just my 2c
>
> Anyways
>
> Happy 4th
>
> Johan
>
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> >