Thanks, Doug. I think I'm going to pass on that Grand. I really favor the
Pre-'96 XJ's with the 4.0/AW4 combo and will look for one of those.

Carl


"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:giJbf.3$---.2@dukeread07...
> Carl did pass the time by typing:
>> Howard-
>>
>> Test drove a 95 Grand with 138,000 miles. Has "Up Country" suspension
>> package and factory tow package, with rear disc brakes. Leather, 5.2L,
>> ect.
>> Only problem is it leaks a little trans fluid. Ran and drove and rode
>> great.
>> One other thing I noticed was the lower display below the fan controls,
>> that
>> displays the car's status had an odd reading. It said "service, 4000
>> miles"
>> Does that mean tune up in 4000? Does that mean major service in 4000?
>> Assuming the fix the trans leak, the price is right.
>
> The trans leak is most likely the output shaft seal. I've gone through
> several of those.
>
> That doodad below the fan controls is the VIC (Vehicle Information Center)
> or BAIL (Big *** Idiot Light) :) All that is telling you is the 4000 mile
> countdown has elapsed and it's time to change the oil and reset the
> idiot light. That number is programmable via the two buttons on the VIC
> to anything from 1000 to 7500 miles.
>
>
> --
> -- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.***.net/wilsond
> HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
> Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
> Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!
>

 

Thanks, Doug. I think I'm going to pass on that Grand. I really favor the
Pre-'96 XJ's with the 4.0/AW4 combo and will look for one of those.

Carl


"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:giJbf.3$---.2@dukeread07...
> Carl did pass the time by typing:
>> Howard-
>>
>> Test drove a 95 Grand with 138,000 miles. Has "Up Country" suspension
>> package and factory tow package, with rear disc brakes. Leather, 5.2L,
>> ect.
>> Only problem is it leaks a little trans fluid. Ran and drove and rode
>> great.
>> One other thing I noticed was the lower display below the fan controls,
>> that
>> displays the car's status had an odd reading. It said "service, 4000
>> miles"
>> Does that mean tune up in 4000? Does that mean major service in 4000?
>> Assuming the fix the trans leak, the price is right.
>
> The trans leak is most likely the output shaft seal. I've gone through
> several of those.
>
> That doodad below the fan controls is the VIC (Vehicle Information Center)
> or BAIL (Big *** Idiot Light) :) All that is telling you is the 4000 mile
> countdown has elapsed and it's time to change the oil and reset the
> idiot light. That number is programmable via the two buttons on the VIC
> to anything from 1000 to 7500 miles.
>
>
> --
> -- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.***.net/wilsond
> HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
> Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
> Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!
>

 

If you can, have a jeep knowledgeable mechanic do a pre-buy inspection
to make sure it isn't something more than a loose or worn o-ring or
similar. I bought one used, and had all the fluids replaced immediately
since I didn't have a service history available.

That display can be reset details in the Owners Manual. It displays the
miles to service on a 7500 mile increment. Don't worry about it.


If you pick it up and it doesn't have an owners manual, you can get that
from Jeep website [click for owners] for about 10 bucks. Worth a lot
more is the Factory Service Manual and Body Diagnostic Procedures
manual. You can also use the VIN to order the Build Order of everything
on it that left the factory.

Nice vehicle. With care it may outlast you. As long as it isn't one of
the rare but infamous "Friday" machines that plague all makes.


Carl proclaimed:

> Howard-
>
> Test drove a 95 Grand with 138,000 miles. Has "Up Country" suspension
> package and factory tow package, with rear disc brakes. Leather, 5.2L, ect.
> Only problem is it leaks a little trans fluid. Ran and drove and rode great.
> One other thing I noticed was the lower display below the fan controls, that
> displays the car's status had an odd reading. It said "service, 4000 miles"
> Does that mean tune up in 4000? Does that mean major service in 4000?
> Assuming the fix the trans leak, the price is right.
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Howard" <howard@energytactics.com> wrote in message
> news:1131287456.319520.206590@g43g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>My son has a 95 and I have a 97 ZJ so we have you bracketed. Both have
>>the Off road package and were set up for trailer towing. That way you
>>can find all the factory skid plates and a Dana 44 rear with 3.73
>>gears.
>>
>>With the off road package you get a one inch lift and can fit 30s
>>without problems.
>>
>>The 97 has the noise absorbing cast iron pumpkin replaced by aluminum
>>(saved 40 pounds) so there is some "singing" at about 62 mph. Mine has
>>85000 miles and its fine, just some singing at one speed.
>>
>>Other than that both vehicles (the 95 is at 135000 miles) have been
>>very cheap to operate. The Bilsten shocks are still fine, the exhaust
>>system is still tight, body is as tight as it was. Both tend to need
>>brakes but that may be due to the drivers, rotors are finicky, need to
>>hand torque the lug nuts. Other than batteries, wipers etc and a fuel
>>pump on the 95 things have been pretty good.
>>
>
>
>

 

If you can, have a jeep knowledgeable mechanic do a pre-buy inspection
to make sure it isn't something more than a loose or worn o-ring or
similar. I bought one used, and had all the fluids replaced immediately
since I didn't have a service history available.

That display can be reset details in the Owners Manual. It displays the
miles to service on a 7500 mile increment. Don't worry about it.


If you pick it up and it doesn't have an owners manual, you can get that
from Jeep website [click for owners] for about 10 bucks. Worth a lot
more is the Factory Service Manual and Body Diagnostic Procedures
manual. You can also use the VIN to order the Build Order of everything
on it that left the factory.

Nice vehicle. With care it may outlast you. As long as it isn't one of
the rare but infamous "Friday" machines that plague all makes.


Carl proclaimed:

> Howard-
>
> Test drove a 95 Grand with 138,000 miles. Has "Up Country" suspension
> package and factory tow package, with rear disc brakes. Leather, 5.2L, ect.
> Only problem is it leaks a little trans fluid. Ran and drove and rode great.
> One other thing I noticed was the lower display below the fan controls, that
> displays the car's status had an odd reading. It said "service, 4000 miles"
> Does that mean tune up in 4000? Does that mean major service in 4000?
> Assuming the fix the trans leak, the price is right.
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Howard" <howard@energytactics.com> wrote in message
> news:1131287456.319520.206590@g43g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>My son has a 95 and I have a 97 ZJ so we have you bracketed. Both have
>>the Off road package and were set up for trailer towing. That way you
>>can find all the factory skid plates and a Dana 44 rear with 3.73
>>gears.
>>
>>With the off road package you get a one inch lift and can fit 30s
>>without problems.
>>
>>The 97 has the noise absorbing cast iron pumpkin replaced by aluminum
>>(saved 40 pounds) so there is some "singing" at about 62 mph. Mine has
>>85000 miles and its fine, just some singing at one speed.
>>
>>Other than that both vehicles (the 95 is at 135000 miles) have been
>>very cheap to operate. The Bilsten shocks are still fine, the exhaust
>>system is still tight, body is as tight as it was. Both tend to need
>>brakes but that may be due to the drivers, rotors are finicky, need to
>>hand torque the lug nuts. Other than batteries, wipers etc and a fuel
>>pump on the 95 things have been pretty good.
>>
>
>
>

 

If you can, have a jeep knowledgeable mechanic do a pre-buy inspection
to make sure it isn't something more than a loose or worn o-ring or
similar. I bought one used, and had all the fluids replaced immediately
since I didn't have a service history available.

That display can be reset details in the Owners Manual. It displays the
miles to service on a 7500 mile increment. Don't worry about it.


If you pick it up and it doesn't have an owners manual, you can get that
from Jeep website [click for owners] for about 10 bucks. Worth a lot
more is the Factory Service Manual and Body Diagnostic Procedures
manual. You can also use the VIN to order the Build Order of everything
on it that left the factory.

Nice vehicle. With care it may outlast you. As long as it isn't one of
the rare but infamous "Friday" machines that plague all makes.


Carl proclaimed:

> Howard-
>
> Test drove a 95 Grand with 138,000 miles. Has "Up Country" suspension
> package and factory tow package, with rear disc brakes. Leather, 5.2L, ect.
> Only problem is it leaks a little trans fluid. Ran and drove and rode great.
> One other thing I noticed was the lower display below the fan controls, that
> displays the car's status had an odd reading. It said "service, 4000 miles"
> Does that mean tune up in 4000? Does that mean major service in 4000?
> Assuming the fix the trans leak, the price is right.
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Howard" <howard@energytactics.com> wrote in message
> news:1131287456.319520.206590@g43g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>My son has a 95 and I have a 97 ZJ so we have you bracketed. Both have
>>the Off road package and were set up for trailer towing. That way you
>>can find all the factory skid plates and a Dana 44 rear with 3.73
>>gears.
>>
>>With the off road package you get a one inch lift and can fit 30s
>>without problems.
>>
>>The 97 has the noise absorbing cast iron pumpkin replaced by aluminum
>>(saved 40 pounds) so there is some "singing" at about 62 mph. Mine has
>>85000 miles and its fine, just some singing at one speed.
>>
>>Other than that both vehicles (the 95 is at 135000 miles) have been
>>very cheap to operate. The Bilsten shocks are still fine, the exhaust
>>system is still tight, body is as tight as it was. Both tend to need
>>brakes but that may be due to the drivers, rotors are finicky, need to
>>hand torque the lug nuts. Other than batteries, wipers etc and a fuel
>>pump on the 95 things have been pretty good.
>>
>
>
>

 

I'm seeing really good deals on the 94-95 Grands with the 4.0, down to
pretty much the same level as the Cherokee.

Carl proclaimed:

> Thanks, Doug. I think I'm going to pass on that Grand. I really favor the
> Pre-'96 XJ's with the 4.0/AW4 combo and will look for one of those.
>
> Carl
>
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:giJbf.3$---.2@dukeread07...
>
>>Carl did pass the time by typing:
>>
>>>Howard-
>>>
>>>Test drove a 95 Grand with 138,000 miles. Has "Up Country" suspension
>>>package and factory tow package, with rear disc brakes. Leather, 5.2L,
>>>ect.
>>>Only problem is it leaks a little trans fluid. Ran and drove and rode
>>>great.
>>>One other thing I noticed was the lower display below the fan controls,
>>>that
>>>displays the car's status had an odd reading. It said "service, 4000
>>>miles"
>>>Does that mean tune up in 4000? Does that mean major service in 4000?
>>>Assuming the fix the trans leak, the price is right.
>>
>>The trans leak is most likely the output shaft seal. I've gone through
>>several of those.
>>
>>That doodad below the fan controls is the VIC (Vehicle Information Center)
>>or BAIL (Big *** Idiot Light) :) All that is telling you is the 4000 mile
>>countdown has elapsed and it's time to change the oil and reset the
>>idiot light. That number is programmable via the two buttons on the VIC
>>to anything from 1000 to 7500 miles.
>>
>>
>>--
>>-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.***.net/wilsond
>>HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
>>Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
>>Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!
>>
>
>
>

 

I'm seeing really good deals on the 94-95 Grands with the 4.0, down to
pretty much the same level as the Cherokee.

Carl proclaimed:

> Thanks, Doug. I think I'm going to pass on that Grand. I really favor the
> Pre-'96 XJ's with the 4.0/AW4 combo and will look for one of those.
>
> Carl
>
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:giJbf.3$---.2@dukeread07...
>
>>Carl did pass the time by typing:
>>
>>>Howard-
>>>
>>>Test drove a 95 Grand with 138,000 miles. Has "Up Country" suspension
>>>package and factory tow package, with rear disc brakes. Leather, 5.2L,
>>>ect.
>>>Only problem is it leaks a little trans fluid. Ran and drove and rode
>>>great.
>>>One other thing I noticed was the lower display below the fan controls,
>>>that
>>>displays the car's status had an odd reading. It said "service, 4000
>>>miles"
>>>Does that mean tune up in 4000? Does that mean major service in 4000?
>>>Assuming the fix the trans leak, the price is right.
>>
>>The trans leak is most likely the output shaft seal. I've gone through
>>several of those.
>>
>>That doodad below the fan controls is the VIC (Vehicle Information Center)
>>or BAIL (Big *** Idiot Light) :) All that is telling you is the 4000 mile
>>countdown has elapsed and it's time to change the oil and reset the
>>idiot light. That number is programmable via the two buttons on the VIC
>>to anything from 1000 to 7500 miles.
>>
>>
>>--
>>-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.***.net/wilsond
>>HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
>>Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
>>Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!
>>
>
>
>

 

I'm seeing really good deals on the 94-95 Grands with the 4.0, down to
pretty much the same level as the Cherokee.

Carl proclaimed:

> Thanks, Doug. I think I'm going to pass on that Grand. I really favor the
> Pre-'96 XJ's with the 4.0/AW4 combo and will look for one of those.
>
> Carl
>
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:giJbf.3$---.2@dukeread07...
>
>>Carl did pass the time by typing:
>>
>>>Howard-
>>>
>>>Test drove a 95 Grand with 138,000 miles. Has "Up Country" suspension
>>>package and factory tow package, with rear disc brakes. Leather, 5.2L,
>>>ect.
>>>Only problem is it leaks a little trans fluid. Ran and drove and rode
>>>great.
>>>One other thing I noticed was the lower display below the fan controls,
>>>that
>>>displays the car's status had an odd reading. It said "service, 4000
>>>miles"
>>>Does that mean tune up in 4000? Does that mean major service in 4000?
>>>Assuming the fix the trans leak, the price is right.
>>
>>The trans leak is most likely the output shaft seal. I've gone through
>>several of those.
>>
>>That doodad below the fan controls is the VIC (Vehicle Information Center)
>>or BAIL (Big *** Idiot Light) :) All that is telling you is the 4000 mile
>>countdown has elapsed and it's time to change the oil and reset the
>>idiot light. That number is programmable via the two buttons on the VIC
>>to anything from 1000 to 7500 miles.
>>
>>
>>--
>>-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.***.net/wilsond
>>HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
>>Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
>>Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!
>>
>
>
>