Re: good thing to clean out engine
 

Is the line blocked off or have you been sucking raw air into the valve
cover? In that case what Mike said won't happen, but you still need to get
a line in place. Doug's idea to use tape is a pretty good one. I assume
you are talking about the big CCV line to the air cleaner, not the small CCV
line to the intake manifold.

Earle

"abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vn7Dh.237$LF6.107@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net. ..
> I tried getting a piece of hose to connect it to the box, but every size I
> get is either too big or too small.
> What size is yours?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45dd0072$0$4850$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> > That line is extremely important. It sucks off the engine fumes and
> > condensation from cold starts.
> >
> > Without it the engine will fast fill with sludge and water and up and
die
> > very soon.
> >
> > You aren't talking using chemicals to clean sludge here, we are talking
> > putty knife and pressure washer....
> >
> > Our 88 has 315K on it and I keep that line working. My engine still
only
> > uses a liter of oil between changes...
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > abomb69 wrote:
> >> This engine has 225k on it and there is no line from the CCV tube to
the
> >> air box, its gone.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:45dc68e1$0$18139$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> >>> abomb69 wrote:
> >>>> Anyone know of a good chemical to clean out and engine when you
change
> >>>> the oil?? besides just new oil....I have a 93 cherokee with 225k on
it
> >>>> and wanted to maybe get rid of some sludge build up inside.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> I would first open the oil cap and have a close look at it and inside
as
> >>> far as I could see. If the engine has sludge, usually some is under
the
> >>> oil cap.
> >>>
> >>> The second place to check, and this will show the slightest amount of
> >>> sludge buildup, is the CCV tube. I unhook it from the intake and see
if
> >>> I can blow through it into the valve cover. If it still blows clear,
> >>> there is no sludge. If it is plugged, then some carb cleaner sprayed
> >>> into the tube with a ream from a wire or air blow to clear it is in
> >>> order.
> >>>
> >>> If this CCV tube plugs with sludge, then oil will start spitting into
> >>> the air filter. At this point I would think on using a cleaner in the
> >>> engine.
> >>>
> >>> I prefer to use a pint of ATF into the oil about 100 miles before a
> >>> change. This seems to clean them out without being to harsh on them.
> >>>
> >>> Some folks actually remove the valve cover to make sure they get all
the
> >>> sludge out, but I wouldn't do this unless I couldn't keep that CCV
tube
> >>> clear and then I would want to pull the oil pan too.
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>>
> >>
>

Re: good thing to clean out engine
 

Is the line blocked off or have you been sucking raw air into the valve
cover? In that case what Mike said won't happen, but you still need to get
a line in place. Doug's idea to use tape is a pretty good one. I assume
you are talking about the big CCV line to the air cleaner, not the small CCV
line to the intake manifold.

Earle

"abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vn7Dh.237$LF6.107@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net. ..
> I tried getting a piece of hose to connect it to the box, but every size I
> get is either too big or too small.
> What size is yours?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45dd0072$0$4850$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> > That line is extremely important. It sucks off the engine fumes and
> > condensation from cold starts.
> >
> > Without it the engine will fast fill with sludge and water and up and
die
> > very soon.
> >
> > You aren't talking using chemicals to clean sludge here, we are talking
> > putty knife and pressure washer....
> >
> > Our 88 has 315K on it and I keep that line working. My engine still
only
> > uses a liter of oil between changes...
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > abomb69 wrote:
> >> This engine has 225k on it and there is no line from the CCV tube to
the
> >> air box, its gone.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:45dc68e1$0$18139$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> >>> abomb69 wrote:
> >>>> Anyone know of a good chemical to clean out and engine when you
change
> >>>> the oil?? besides just new oil....I have a 93 cherokee with 225k on
it
> >>>> and wanted to maybe get rid of some sludge build up inside.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> I would first open the oil cap and have a close look at it and inside
as
> >>> far as I could see. If the engine has sludge, usually some is under
the
> >>> oil cap.
> >>>
> >>> The second place to check, and this will show the slightest amount of
> >>> sludge buildup, is the CCV tube. I unhook it from the intake and see
if
> >>> I can blow through it into the valve cover. If it still blows clear,
> >>> there is no sludge. If it is plugged, then some carb cleaner sprayed
> >>> into the tube with a ream from a wire or air blow to clear it is in
> >>> order.
> >>>
> >>> If this CCV tube plugs with sludge, then oil will start spitting into
> >>> the air filter. At this point I would think on using a cleaner in the
> >>> engine.
> >>>
> >>> I prefer to use a pint of ATF into the oil about 100 miles before a
> >>> change. This seems to clean them out without being to harsh on them.
> >>>
> >>> Some folks actually remove the valve cover to make sure they get all
the
> >>> sludge out, but I wouldn't do this unless I couldn't keep that CCV
tube
> >>> clear and then I would want to pull the oil pan too.
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>>
> >>
>

Re: good thing to clean out engine
 

Is the line blocked off or have you been sucking raw air into the valve
cover? In that case what Mike said won't happen, but you still need to get
a line in place. Doug's idea to use tape is a pretty good one. I assume
you are talking about the big CCV line to the air cleaner, not the small CCV
line to the intake manifold.

Earle

"abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vn7Dh.237$LF6.107@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net. ..
> I tried getting a piece of hose to connect it to the box, but every size I
> get is either too big or too small.
> What size is yours?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45dd0072$0$4850$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> > That line is extremely important. It sucks off the engine fumes and
> > condensation from cold starts.
> >
> > Without it the engine will fast fill with sludge and water and up and
die
> > very soon.
> >
> > You aren't talking using chemicals to clean sludge here, we are talking
> > putty knife and pressure washer....
> >
> > Our 88 has 315K on it and I keep that line working. My engine still
only
> > uses a liter of oil between changes...
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > abomb69 wrote:
> >> This engine has 225k on it and there is no line from the CCV tube to
the
> >> air box, its gone.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:45dc68e1$0$18139$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> >>> abomb69 wrote:
> >>>> Anyone know of a good chemical to clean out and engine when you
change
> >>>> the oil?? besides just new oil....I have a 93 cherokee with 225k on
it
> >>>> and wanted to maybe get rid of some sludge build up inside.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> I would first open the oil cap and have a close look at it and inside
as
> >>> far as I could see. If the engine has sludge, usually some is under
the
> >>> oil cap.
> >>>
> >>> The second place to check, and this will show the slightest amount of
> >>> sludge buildup, is the CCV tube. I unhook it from the intake and see
if
> >>> I can blow through it into the valve cover. If it still blows clear,
> >>> there is no sludge. If it is plugged, then some carb cleaner sprayed
> >>> into the tube with a ream from a wire or air blow to clear it is in
> >>> order.
> >>>
> >>> If this CCV tube plugs with sludge, then oil will start spitting into
> >>> the air filter. At this point I would think on using a cleaner in the
> >>> engine.
> >>>
> >>> I prefer to use a pint of ATF into the oil about 100 miles before a
> >>> change. This seems to clean them out without being to harsh on them.
> >>>
> >>> Some folks actually remove the valve cover to make sure they get all
the
> >>> sludge out, but I wouldn't do this unless I couldn't keep that CCV
tube
> >>> clear and then I would want to pull the oil pan too.
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>>
> >>
>

Re: good thing to clean out engine
 

As Earle mentions, it's the small one that is the really important one,
the large one is the intake.

Here is a site with the part numbers and prices for the various tubes.
They are not too expensive.

http://jeep.off-road.com/jeep/articl....jsp?id=257985

Mike

abomb69 wrote:
> I tried getting a piece of hose to connect it to the box, but every size I
> get is either too big or too small.
> What size is yours?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45dd0072$0$4850$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> That line is extremely important. It sucks off the engine fumes and
>> condensation from cold starts.
>>
>> Without it the engine will fast fill with sludge and water and up and die
>> very soon.
>>
>> You aren't talking using chemicals to clean sludge here, we are talking
>> putty knife and pressure washer....
>>
>> Our 88 has 315K on it and I keep that line working. My engine still only
>> uses a liter of oil between changes...
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> abomb69 wrote:
>>> This engine has 225k on it and there is no line from the CCV tube to the
>>> air box, its gone.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:45dc68e1$0$18139$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>>>> abomb69 wrote:
>>>>> Anyone know of a good chemical to clean out and engine when you change
>>>>> the oil?? besides just new oil....I have a 93 cherokee with 225k on it
>>>>> and wanted to maybe get rid of some sludge build up inside.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I would first open the oil cap and have a close look at it and inside as
>>>> far as I could see. If the engine has sludge, usually some is under the
>>>> oil cap.
>>>>
>>>> The second place to check, and this will show the slightest amount of
>>>> sludge buildup, is the CCV tube. I unhook it from the intake and see if
>>>> I can blow through it into the valve cover. If it still blows clear,
>>>> there is no sludge. If it is plugged, then some carb cleaner sprayed
>>>> into the tube with a ream from a wire or air blow to clear it is in
>>>> order.
>>>>
>>>> If this CCV tube plugs with sludge, then oil will start spitting into
>>>> the air filter. At this point I would think on using a cleaner in the
>>>> engine.
>>>>
>>>> I prefer to use a pint of ATF into the oil about 100 miles before a
>>>> change. This seems to clean them out without being to harsh on them.
>>>>
>>>> Some folks actually remove the valve cover to make sure they get all the
>>>> sludge out, but I wouldn't do this unless I couldn't keep that CCV tube
>>>> clear and then I would want to pull the oil pan too.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>

Re: good thing to clean out engine
 

As Earle mentions, it's the small one that is the really important one,
the large one is the intake.

Here is a site with the part numbers and prices for the various tubes.
They are not too expensive.

http://jeep.off-road.com/jeep/articl....jsp?id=257985

Mike

abomb69 wrote:
> I tried getting a piece of hose to connect it to the box, but every size I
> get is either too big or too small.
> What size is yours?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45dd0072$0$4850$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> That line is extremely important. It sucks off the engine fumes and
>> condensation from cold starts.
>>
>> Without it the engine will fast fill with sludge and water and up and die
>> very soon.
>>
>> You aren't talking using chemicals to clean sludge here, we are talking
>> putty knife and pressure washer....
>>
>> Our 88 has 315K on it and I keep that line working. My engine still only
>> uses a liter of oil between changes...
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> abomb69 wrote:
>>> This engine has 225k on it and there is no line from the CCV tube to the
>>> air box, its gone.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:45dc68e1$0$18139$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>>>> abomb69 wrote:
>>>>> Anyone know of a good chemical to clean out and engine when you change
>>>>> the oil?? besides just new oil....I have a 93 cherokee with 225k on it
>>>>> and wanted to maybe get rid of some sludge build up inside.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I would first open the oil cap and have a close look at it and inside as
>>>> far as I could see. If the engine has sludge, usually some is under the
>>>> oil cap.
>>>>
>>>> The second place to check, and this will show the slightest amount of
>>>> sludge buildup, is the CCV tube. I unhook it from the intake and see if
>>>> I can blow through it into the valve cover. If it still blows clear,
>>>> there is no sludge. If it is plugged, then some carb cleaner sprayed
>>>> into the tube with a ream from a wire or air blow to clear it is in
>>>> order.
>>>>
>>>> If this CCV tube plugs with sludge, then oil will start spitting into
>>>> the air filter. At this point I would think on using a cleaner in the
>>>> engine.
>>>>
>>>> I prefer to use a pint of ATF into the oil about 100 miles before a
>>>> change. This seems to clean them out without being to harsh on them.
>>>>
>>>> Some folks actually remove the valve cover to make sure they get all the
>>>> sludge out, but I wouldn't do this unless I couldn't keep that CCV tube
>>>> clear and then I would want to pull the oil pan too.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>

Re: good thing to clean out engine
 

As Earle mentions, it's the small one that is the really important one,
the large one is the intake.

Here is a site with the part numbers and prices for the various tubes.
They are not too expensive.

http://jeep.off-road.com/jeep/articl....jsp?id=257985

Mike

abomb69 wrote:
> I tried getting a piece of hose to connect it to the box, but every size I
> get is either too big or too small.
> What size is yours?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45dd0072$0$4850$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> That line is extremely important. It sucks off the engine fumes and
>> condensation from cold starts.
>>
>> Without it the engine will fast fill with sludge and water and up and die
>> very soon.
>>
>> You aren't talking using chemicals to clean sludge here, we are talking
>> putty knife and pressure washer....
>>
>> Our 88 has 315K on it and I keep that line working. My engine still only
>> uses a liter of oil between changes...
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> abomb69 wrote:
>>> This engine has 225k on it and there is no line from the CCV tube to the
>>> air box, its gone.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:45dc68e1$0$18139$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>>>> abomb69 wrote:
>>>>> Anyone know of a good chemical to clean out and engine when you change
>>>>> the oil?? besides just new oil....I have a 93 cherokee with 225k on it
>>>>> and wanted to maybe get rid of some sludge build up inside.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I would first open the oil cap and have a close look at it and inside as
>>>> far as I could see. If the engine has sludge, usually some is under the
>>>> oil cap.
>>>>
>>>> The second place to check, and this will show the slightest amount of
>>>> sludge buildup, is the CCV tube. I unhook it from the intake and see if
>>>> I can blow through it into the valve cover. If it still blows clear,
>>>> there is no sludge. If it is plugged, then some carb cleaner sprayed
>>>> into the tube with a ream from a wire or air blow to clear it is in
>>>> order.
>>>>
>>>> If this CCV tube plugs with sludge, then oil will start spitting into
>>>> the air filter. At this point I would think on using a cleaner in the
>>>> engine.
>>>>
>>>> I prefer to use a pint of ATF into the oil about 100 miles before a
>>>> change. This seems to clean them out without being to harsh on them.
>>>>
>>>> Some folks actually remove the valve cover to make sure they get all the
>>>> sludge out, but I wouldn't do this unless I couldn't keep that CCV tube
>>>> clear and then I would want to pull the oil pan too.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>

Re: good thing to clean out engine
 

Nope just no tube there at all

"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
news:CZKdnWlCppArmkDYnZ2dnUVZ_qCmnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Is the line blocked off or have you been sucking raw air into the valve
> cover? In that case what Mike said won't happen, but you still need to
> get
> a line in place. Doug's idea to use tape is a pretty good one. I assume
> you are talking about the big CCV line to the air cleaner, not the small
> CCV
> line to the intake manifold.
>
> Earle
>

Re: good thing to clean out engine
 

Nope just no tube there at all

"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
news:CZKdnWlCppArmkDYnZ2dnUVZ_qCmnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Is the line blocked off or have you been sucking raw air into the valve
> cover? In that case what Mike said won't happen, but you still need to
> get
> a line in place. Doug's idea to use tape is a pretty good one. I assume
> you are talking about the big CCV line to the air cleaner, not the small
> CCV
> line to the intake manifold.
>
> Earle
>

Re: good thing to clean out engine
 

Nope just no tube there at all

"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
news:CZKdnWlCppArmkDYnZ2dnUVZ_qCmnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Is the line blocked off or have you been sucking raw air into the valve
> cover? In that case what Mike said won't happen, but you still need to
> get
> a line in place. Doug's idea to use tape is a pretty good one. I assume
> you are talking about the big CCV line to the air cleaner, not the small
> CCV
> line to the intake manifold.
>
> Earle
>

Re: good thing to clean out engine
 

Earle Horton wrote:
> You're talking about the bigger one though? In that case you're
> sucking raw air into the intake, for one, and you're sucking raw air
> into the valve cover if the small line to the intake manifold is
> still working, for two. This isn't the worst thing that could happen,
> but it's not real good either.

IIRC, the small line for the ZJ was about eight bucks at the dealership.

--
DougW