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Re: A girlie Liberty question....................
Angie,
I have been following your posts both here and on alt.jeep-1. Given what you have said about only having 5000 miles on a brand new Libby, I would discount ujoints, ball joints, and any other kind of joints for now. The Tcase - you said SeleTrac - is the Part Time unit. The linkage can be mis adjusted, letting you think you are in 2HI, but actually have a partial selection of 4HI. If you tend to use 4HI for a bit, then go back to 2HI and notice the problem, my guess is the linkage is telling you that you are in 2HI, but the gears are on the hairy edge of 4HI, and then you will feel the steering wheel wobble in a turn, and you will hear whines of complaint from the tcase. The Good News here is that adjusting the linkage is very easy, you can probably do it yourself without breaking a nail. I wouldn't test fate that way though, just get the dealer to make the adjustment for you. The test that you can do to verify the hypothisis is to fiddle with the 4WD lever while you are driving. Select 4HI, then go back to 2HI, but only move the lever far enough to to show that 4HI is disengaged. Feel for any detents, and see if the detents actually line up with the marks on the shifter and the actuation of the 4HI light. Basically, I think somebody is driving your Libby and testing 4WD, but now getting the shifter fully into 2WD when they are done. The result is that you may experience intermittant complaints from the tcase, and a wobble in the steering wheel. The complaints and the wobble are related, in fact they are variations of the same thing. When you are driving along and minding your own business, the differential(s) allow the tires on each side of your Libby to turn at different speeds - this happens when you go around a corner, the inside tire has a shorter distance to travel than the outside tire, so the tires must turn at different speeds. The Transfer Case - the part that selects 4WD - is not able to allow the front and rear tires to go different speeds, as when you go around a corner. The result is the tcase binds, and the bind is transmitted through the drive train and into the steering wheel, this causes the wobble you experienced. The stress on the drive train is released in spurts as the tires slip on the ground - this is the wobble. The whining is the tcase complaining about the tires going at different speeds, and is a precursor to serious damage - the tcase is chain driven, and the damage is that the chain will eventually stretch and break, or strip cogs off of the sprockets. The fact that the tcase can not tolerate these different speeds is the entire reason why you should never use 4WD except on solid snow and ice, or on dirt. If you can see the street, you should not be in 4WD, even if it is raining. "Angela" <anyoldmail@gmail.takethisout.com> wrote in message news:cmqui0$iom$1@news.freedom2surf.net... > .............but as I'm a girl it's allowed. > > My 6 month old Liberty has develeoped an intermittent noise when turning > right (and very very occaisionally left). I can only describe it as a cross > between a grinding noise and a whine. I can feel a very slight vibration > through the steering wheel as well. Sometimes it happens a lot, then I can > go for days with nothing, I can't even figure out what brings it on. Every > time I have take in to the dealership it doesn't happen (of course!!!) even > if it has been doing it a lot that day. They say until they can hear it > they wont be able to tell what it is. Does anybody have any clues? Is this > a common Liberty problem?? > > Angela > > |
Re: A girlie Liberty question....................
Angie,
I have been following your posts both here and on alt.jeep-1. Given what you have said about only having 5000 miles on a brand new Libby, I would discount ujoints, ball joints, and any other kind of joints for now. The Tcase - you said SeleTrac - is the Part Time unit. The linkage can be mis adjusted, letting you think you are in 2HI, but actually have a partial selection of 4HI. If you tend to use 4HI for a bit, then go back to 2HI and notice the problem, my guess is the linkage is telling you that you are in 2HI, but the gears are on the hairy edge of 4HI, and then you will feel the steering wheel wobble in a turn, and you will hear whines of complaint from the tcase. The Good News here is that adjusting the linkage is very easy, you can probably do it yourself without breaking a nail. I wouldn't test fate that way though, just get the dealer to make the adjustment for you. The test that you can do to verify the hypothisis is to fiddle with the 4WD lever while you are driving. Select 4HI, then go back to 2HI, but only move the lever far enough to to show that 4HI is disengaged. Feel for any detents, and see if the detents actually line up with the marks on the shifter and the actuation of the 4HI light. Basically, I think somebody is driving your Libby and testing 4WD, but now getting the shifter fully into 2WD when they are done. The result is that you may experience intermittant complaints from the tcase, and a wobble in the steering wheel. The complaints and the wobble are related, in fact they are variations of the same thing. When you are driving along and minding your own business, the differential(s) allow the tires on each side of your Libby to turn at different speeds - this happens when you go around a corner, the inside tire has a shorter distance to travel than the outside tire, so the tires must turn at different speeds. The Transfer Case - the part that selects 4WD - is not able to allow the front and rear tires to go different speeds, as when you go around a corner. The result is the tcase binds, and the bind is transmitted through the drive train and into the steering wheel, this causes the wobble you experienced. The stress on the drive train is released in spurts as the tires slip on the ground - this is the wobble. The whining is the tcase complaining about the tires going at different speeds, and is a precursor to serious damage - the tcase is chain driven, and the damage is that the chain will eventually stretch and break, or strip cogs off of the sprockets. The fact that the tcase can not tolerate these different speeds is the entire reason why you should never use 4WD except on solid snow and ice, or on dirt. If you can see the street, you should not be in 4WD, even if it is raining. "Angela" <anyoldmail@gmail.takethisout.com> wrote in message news:cmqui0$iom$1@news.freedom2surf.net... > .............but as I'm a girl it's allowed. > > My 6 month old Liberty has develeoped an intermittent noise when turning > right (and very very occaisionally left). I can only describe it as a cross > between a grinding noise and a whine. I can feel a very slight vibration > through the steering wheel as well. Sometimes it happens a lot, then I can > go for days with nothing, I can't even figure out what brings it on. Every > time I have take in to the dealership it doesn't happen (of course!!!) even > if it has been doing it a lot that day. They say until they can hear it > they wont be able to tell what it is. Does anybody have any clues? Is this > a common Liberty problem?? > > Angela > > |
Re: A girlie Liberty question....................
I thought that the no 4WD on street was only for 4WD LO, I was under
the impression 4WD HI is ok anytime under 45 mph or so Tom On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:24:36 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote: >Angie, >I have been following your posts both here and on alt.jeep-1. > >Given what you have said about only having 5000 miles on a brand new Libby, >I would discount ujoints, ball joints, and any other kind of joints for now. > >The Tcase - you said SeleTrac - is the Part Time unit. The linkage can be >mis adjusted, letting you think you are in 2HI, but actually have a partial >selection of 4HI. If you tend to use 4HI for a bit, then go back to 2HI and >notice the problem, my guess is the linkage is telling you that you are in >2HI, but the gears are on the hairy edge of 4HI, and then you will feel the >steering wheel wobble in a turn, and you will hear whines of complaint from >the tcase. The Good News here is that adjusting the linkage is very easy, >you can probably do it yourself without breaking a nail. I wouldn't test >fate that way though, just get the dealer to make the adjustment for you. > >The test that you can do to verify the hypothisis is to fiddle with the 4WD >lever while you are driving. Select 4HI, then go back to 2HI, but only move >the lever far enough to to show that 4HI is disengaged. Feel for any >detents, and see if the detents actually line up with the marks on the >shifter and the actuation of the 4HI light. Basically, I think somebody is >driving your Libby and testing 4WD, but now getting the shifter fully into >2WD when they are done. The result is that you may experience intermittant >complaints from the tcase, and a wobble in the steering wheel. > >The complaints and the wobble are related, in fact they are variations of >the same thing. When you are driving along and minding your own business, >the differential(s) allow the tires on each side of your Libby to turn at >different speeds - this happens when you go around a corner, the inside tire >has a shorter distance to travel than the outside tire, so the tires must >turn at different speeds. The Transfer Case - the part that selects 4WD - is >not able to allow the front and rear tires to go different speeds, as when >you go around a corner. The result is the tcase binds, and the bind is >transmitted through the drive train and into the steering wheel, this causes >the wobble you experienced. The stress on the drive train is released in >spurts as the tires slip on the ground - this is the wobble. The whining is >the tcase complaining about the tires going at different speeds, and is a >precursor to serious damage - the tcase is chain driven, and the damage is >that the chain will eventually stretch and break, or strip cogs off of the >sprockets. The fact that the tcase can not tolerate these different speeds >is the entire reason why you should never use 4WD except on solid snow and >ice, or on dirt. If you can see the street, you should not be in 4WD, even >if it is raining. > > > > > >"Angela" <anyoldmail@gmail.takethisout.com> wrote in message >news:cmqui0$iom$1@news.freedom2surf.net... >> .............but as I'm a girl it's allowed. >> >> My 6 month old Liberty has develeoped an intermittent noise when turning >> right (and very very occaisionally left). I can only describe it as a >cross >> between a grinding noise and a whine. I can feel a very slight vibration >> through the steering wheel as well. Sometimes it happens a lot, then I >can >> go for days with nothing, I can't even figure out what brings it on. >Every >> time I have take in to the dealership it doesn't happen (of course!!!) >even >> if it has been doing it a lot that day. They say until they can hear it >> they wont be able to tell what it is. Does anybody have any clues? Is >this >> a common Liberty problem?? >> >> Angela >> >> > |
Re: A girlie Liberty question....................
I thought that the no 4WD on street was only for 4WD LO, I was under
the impression 4WD HI is ok anytime under 45 mph or so Tom On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:24:36 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote: >Angie, >I have been following your posts both here and on alt.jeep-1. > >Given what you have said about only having 5000 miles on a brand new Libby, >I would discount ujoints, ball joints, and any other kind of joints for now. > >The Tcase - you said SeleTrac - is the Part Time unit. The linkage can be >mis adjusted, letting you think you are in 2HI, but actually have a partial >selection of 4HI. If you tend to use 4HI for a bit, then go back to 2HI and >notice the problem, my guess is the linkage is telling you that you are in >2HI, but the gears are on the hairy edge of 4HI, and then you will feel the >steering wheel wobble in a turn, and you will hear whines of complaint from >the tcase. The Good News here is that adjusting the linkage is very easy, >you can probably do it yourself without breaking a nail. I wouldn't test >fate that way though, just get the dealer to make the adjustment for you. > >The test that you can do to verify the hypothisis is to fiddle with the 4WD >lever while you are driving. Select 4HI, then go back to 2HI, but only move >the lever far enough to to show that 4HI is disengaged. Feel for any >detents, and see if the detents actually line up with the marks on the >shifter and the actuation of the 4HI light. Basically, I think somebody is >driving your Libby and testing 4WD, but now getting the shifter fully into >2WD when they are done. The result is that you may experience intermittant >complaints from the tcase, and a wobble in the steering wheel. > >The complaints and the wobble are related, in fact they are variations of >the same thing. When you are driving along and minding your own business, >the differential(s) allow the tires on each side of your Libby to turn at >different speeds - this happens when you go around a corner, the inside tire >has a shorter distance to travel than the outside tire, so the tires must >turn at different speeds. The Transfer Case - the part that selects 4WD - is >not able to allow the front and rear tires to go different speeds, as when >you go around a corner. The result is the tcase binds, and the bind is >transmitted through the drive train and into the steering wheel, this causes >the wobble you experienced. The stress on the drive train is released in >spurts as the tires slip on the ground - this is the wobble. The whining is >the tcase complaining about the tires going at different speeds, and is a >precursor to serious damage - the tcase is chain driven, and the damage is >that the chain will eventually stretch and break, or strip cogs off of the >sprockets. The fact that the tcase can not tolerate these different speeds >is the entire reason why you should never use 4WD except on solid snow and >ice, or on dirt. If you can see the street, you should not be in 4WD, even >if it is raining. > > > > > >"Angela" <anyoldmail@gmail.takethisout.com> wrote in message >news:cmqui0$iom$1@news.freedom2surf.net... >> .............but as I'm a girl it's allowed. >> >> My 6 month old Liberty has develeoped an intermittent noise when turning >> right (and very very occaisionally left). I can only describe it as a >cross >> between a grinding noise and a whine. I can feel a very slight vibration >> through the steering wheel as well. Sometimes it happens a lot, then I >can >> go for days with nothing, I can't even figure out what brings it on. >Every >> time I have take in to the dealership it doesn't happen (of course!!!) >even >> if it has been doing it a lot that day. They say until they can hear it >> they wont be able to tell what it is. Does anybody have any clues? Is >this >> a common Liberty problem?? >> >> Angela >> >> > |
Re: A girlie Liberty question....................
I thought that the no 4WD on street was only for 4WD LO, I was under
the impression 4WD HI is ok anytime under 45 mph or so Tom On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:24:36 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote: >Angie, >I have been following your posts both here and on alt.jeep-1. > >Given what you have said about only having 5000 miles on a brand new Libby, >I would discount ujoints, ball joints, and any other kind of joints for now. > >The Tcase - you said SeleTrac - is the Part Time unit. The linkage can be >mis adjusted, letting you think you are in 2HI, but actually have a partial >selection of 4HI. If you tend to use 4HI for a bit, then go back to 2HI and >notice the problem, my guess is the linkage is telling you that you are in >2HI, but the gears are on the hairy edge of 4HI, and then you will feel the >steering wheel wobble in a turn, and you will hear whines of complaint from >the tcase. The Good News here is that adjusting the linkage is very easy, >you can probably do it yourself without breaking a nail. I wouldn't test >fate that way though, just get the dealer to make the adjustment for you. > >The test that you can do to verify the hypothisis is to fiddle with the 4WD >lever while you are driving. Select 4HI, then go back to 2HI, but only move >the lever far enough to to show that 4HI is disengaged. Feel for any >detents, and see if the detents actually line up with the marks on the >shifter and the actuation of the 4HI light. Basically, I think somebody is >driving your Libby and testing 4WD, but now getting the shifter fully into >2WD when they are done. The result is that you may experience intermittant >complaints from the tcase, and a wobble in the steering wheel. > >The complaints and the wobble are related, in fact they are variations of >the same thing. When you are driving along and minding your own business, >the differential(s) allow the tires on each side of your Libby to turn at >different speeds - this happens when you go around a corner, the inside tire >has a shorter distance to travel than the outside tire, so the tires must >turn at different speeds. The Transfer Case - the part that selects 4WD - is >not able to allow the front and rear tires to go different speeds, as when >you go around a corner. The result is the tcase binds, and the bind is >transmitted through the drive train and into the steering wheel, this causes >the wobble you experienced. The stress on the drive train is released in >spurts as the tires slip on the ground - this is the wobble. The whining is >the tcase complaining about the tires going at different speeds, and is a >precursor to serious damage - the tcase is chain driven, and the damage is >that the chain will eventually stretch and break, or strip cogs off of the >sprockets. The fact that the tcase can not tolerate these different speeds >is the entire reason why you should never use 4WD except on solid snow and >ice, or on dirt. If you can see the street, you should not be in 4WD, even >if it is raining. > > > > > >"Angela" <anyoldmail@gmail.takethisout.com> wrote in message >news:cmqui0$iom$1@news.freedom2surf.net... >> .............but as I'm a girl it's allowed. >> >> My 6 month old Liberty has develeoped an intermittent noise when turning >> right (and very very occaisionally left). I can only describe it as a >cross >> between a grinding noise and a whine. I can feel a very slight vibration >> through the steering wheel as well. Sometimes it happens a lot, then I >can >> go for days with nothing, I can't even figure out what brings it on. >Every >> time I have take in to the dealership it doesn't happen (of course!!!) >even >> if it has been doing it a lot that day. They say until they can hear it >> they wont be able to tell what it is. Does anybody have any clues? Is >this >> a common Liberty problem?? >> >> Angela >> >> > |
Re: A girlie Liberty question....................
Both of you are so far off it isn't funny!
If she has selectrac, which is full time 4x4, it can be used anytime. The part time 4x4 high or low will blow up things if used on dry pavement. 4 high blew the front out of a friend's t-case when he forgot to shift out. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's "Tom Craft, MCP" wrote: > > I thought that the no 4WD on street was only for 4WD LO, I was under > the impression 4WD HI is ok anytime under 45 mph or so > > Tom > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:24:36 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" > <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote: > > >Angie, > >I have been following your posts both here and on alt.jeep-1. > > > >Given what you have said about only having 5000 miles on a brand new Libby, > >I would discount ujoints, ball joints, and any other kind of joints for now. > > > >The Tcase - you said SeleTrac - is the Part Time unit. The linkage can be > >mis adjusted, letting you think you are in 2HI, but actually have a partial > >selection of 4HI. If you tend to use 4HI for a bit, then go back to 2HI and > >notice the problem, my guess is the linkage is telling you that you are in > >2HI, but the gears are on the hairy edge of 4HI, and then you will feel the > >steering wheel wobble in a turn, and you will hear whines of complaint from > >the tcase. The Good News here is that adjusting the linkage is very easy, > >you can probably do it yourself without breaking a nail. I wouldn't test > >fate that way though, just get the dealer to make the adjustment for you. > > > >The test that you can do to verify the hypothisis is to fiddle with the 4WD > >lever while you are driving. Select 4HI, then go back to 2HI, but only move > >the lever far enough to to show that 4HI is disengaged. Feel for any > >detents, and see if the detents actually line up with the marks on the > >shifter and the actuation of the 4HI light. Basically, I think somebody is > >driving your Libby and testing 4WD, but now getting the shifter fully into > >2WD when they are done. The result is that you may experience intermittant > >complaints from the tcase, and a wobble in the steering wheel. > > > >The complaints and the wobble are related, in fact they are variations of > >the same thing. When you are driving along and minding your own business, > >the differential(s) allow the tires on each side of your Libby to turn at > >different speeds - this happens when you go around a corner, the inside tire > >has a shorter distance to travel than the outside tire, so the tires must > >turn at different speeds. The Transfer Case - the part that selects 4WD - is > >not able to allow the front and rear tires to go different speeds, as when > >you go around a corner. The result is the tcase binds, and the bind is > >transmitted through the drive train and into the steering wheel, this causes > >the wobble you experienced. The stress on the drive train is released in > >spurts as the tires slip on the ground - this is the wobble. The whining is > >the tcase complaining about the tires going at different speeds, and is a > >precursor to serious damage - the tcase is chain driven, and the damage is > >that the chain will eventually stretch and break, or strip cogs off of the > >sprockets. The fact that the tcase can not tolerate these different speeds > >is the entire reason why you should never use 4WD except on solid snow and > >ice, or on dirt. If you can see the street, you should not be in 4WD, even > >if it is raining. > > > > > > > > > > > >"Angela" <anyoldmail@gmail.takethisout.com> wrote in message > >news:cmqui0$iom$1@news.freedom2surf.net... > >> .............but as I'm a girl it's allowed. > >> > >> My 6 month old Liberty has develeoped an intermittent noise when turning > >> right (and very very occaisionally left). I can only describe it as a > >cross > >> between a grinding noise and a whine. I can feel a very slight vibration > >> through the steering wheel as well. Sometimes it happens a lot, then I > >can > >> go for days with nothing, I can't even figure out what brings it on. > >Every > >> time I have take in to the dealership it doesn't happen (of course!!!) > >even > >> if it has been doing it a lot that day. They say until they can hear it > >> they wont be able to tell what it is. Does anybody have any clues? Is > >this > >> a common Liberty problem?? > >> > >> Angela > >> > >> > > |
Re: A girlie Liberty question....................
Both of you are so far off it isn't funny!
If she has selectrac, which is full time 4x4, it can be used anytime. The part time 4x4 high or low will blow up things if used on dry pavement. 4 high blew the front out of a friend's t-case when he forgot to shift out. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's "Tom Craft, MCP" wrote: > > I thought that the no 4WD on street was only for 4WD LO, I was under > the impression 4WD HI is ok anytime under 45 mph or so > > Tom > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:24:36 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" > <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote: > > >Angie, > >I have been following your posts both here and on alt.jeep-1. > > > >Given what you have said about only having 5000 miles on a brand new Libby, > >I would discount ujoints, ball joints, and any other kind of joints for now. > > > >The Tcase - you said SeleTrac - is the Part Time unit. The linkage can be > >mis adjusted, letting you think you are in 2HI, but actually have a partial > >selection of 4HI. If you tend to use 4HI for a bit, then go back to 2HI and > >notice the problem, my guess is the linkage is telling you that you are in > >2HI, but the gears are on the hairy edge of 4HI, and then you will feel the > >steering wheel wobble in a turn, and you will hear whines of complaint from > >the tcase. The Good News here is that adjusting the linkage is very easy, > >you can probably do it yourself without breaking a nail. I wouldn't test > >fate that way though, just get the dealer to make the adjustment for you. > > > >The test that you can do to verify the hypothisis is to fiddle with the 4WD > >lever while you are driving. Select 4HI, then go back to 2HI, but only move > >the lever far enough to to show that 4HI is disengaged. Feel for any > >detents, and see if the detents actually line up with the marks on the > >shifter and the actuation of the 4HI light. Basically, I think somebody is > >driving your Libby and testing 4WD, but now getting the shifter fully into > >2WD when they are done. The result is that you may experience intermittant > >complaints from the tcase, and a wobble in the steering wheel. > > > >The complaints and the wobble are related, in fact they are variations of > >the same thing. When you are driving along and minding your own business, > >the differential(s) allow the tires on each side of your Libby to turn at > >different speeds - this happens when you go around a corner, the inside tire > >has a shorter distance to travel than the outside tire, so the tires must > >turn at different speeds. The Transfer Case - the part that selects 4WD - is > >not able to allow the front and rear tires to go different speeds, as when > >you go around a corner. The result is the tcase binds, and the bind is > >transmitted through the drive train and into the steering wheel, this causes > >the wobble you experienced. The stress on the drive train is released in > >spurts as the tires slip on the ground - this is the wobble. The whining is > >the tcase complaining about the tires going at different speeds, and is a > >precursor to serious damage - the tcase is chain driven, and the damage is > >that the chain will eventually stretch and break, or strip cogs off of the > >sprockets. The fact that the tcase can not tolerate these different speeds > >is the entire reason why you should never use 4WD except on solid snow and > >ice, or on dirt. If you can see the street, you should not be in 4WD, even > >if it is raining. > > > > > > > > > > > >"Angela" <anyoldmail@gmail.takethisout.com> wrote in message > >news:cmqui0$iom$1@news.freedom2surf.net... > >> .............but as I'm a girl it's allowed. > >> > >> My 6 month old Liberty has develeoped an intermittent noise when turning > >> right (and very very occaisionally left). I can only describe it as a > >cross > >> between a grinding noise and a whine. I can feel a very slight vibration > >> through the steering wheel as well. Sometimes it happens a lot, then I > >can > >> go for days with nothing, I can't even figure out what brings it on. > >Every > >> time I have take in to the dealership it doesn't happen (of course!!!) > >even > >> if it has been doing it a lot that day. They say until they can hear it > >> they wont be able to tell what it is. Does anybody have any clues? Is > >this > >> a common Liberty problem?? > >> > >> Angela > >> > >> > > |
Re: A girlie Liberty question....................
Both of you are so far off it isn't funny!
If she has selectrac, which is full time 4x4, it can be used anytime. The part time 4x4 high or low will blow up things if used on dry pavement. 4 high blew the front out of a friend's t-case when he forgot to shift out. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's "Tom Craft, MCP" wrote: > > I thought that the no 4WD on street was only for 4WD LO, I was under > the impression 4WD HI is ok anytime under 45 mph or so > > Tom > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:24:36 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" > <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote: > > >Angie, > >I have been following your posts both here and on alt.jeep-1. > > > >Given what you have said about only having 5000 miles on a brand new Libby, > >I would discount ujoints, ball joints, and any other kind of joints for now. > > > >The Tcase - you said SeleTrac - is the Part Time unit. The linkage can be > >mis adjusted, letting you think you are in 2HI, but actually have a partial > >selection of 4HI. If you tend to use 4HI for a bit, then go back to 2HI and > >notice the problem, my guess is the linkage is telling you that you are in > >2HI, but the gears are on the hairy edge of 4HI, and then you will feel the > >steering wheel wobble in a turn, and you will hear whines of complaint from > >the tcase. The Good News here is that adjusting the linkage is very easy, > >you can probably do it yourself without breaking a nail. I wouldn't test > >fate that way though, just get the dealer to make the adjustment for you. > > > >The test that you can do to verify the hypothisis is to fiddle with the 4WD > >lever while you are driving. Select 4HI, then go back to 2HI, but only move > >the lever far enough to to show that 4HI is disengaged. Feel for any > >detents, and see if the detents actually line up with the marks on the > >shifter and the actuation of the 4HI light. Basically, I think somebody is > >driving your Libby and testing 4WD, but now getting the shifter fully into > >2WD when they are done. The result is that you may experience intermittant > >complaints from the tcase, and a wobble in the steering wheel. > > > >The complaints and the wobble are related, in fact they are variations of > >the same thing. When you are driving along and minding your own business, > >the differential(s) allow the tires on each side of your Libby to turn at > >different speeds - this happens when you go around a corner, the inside tire > >has a shorter distance to travel than the outside tire, so the tires must > >turn at different speeds. The Transfer Case - the part that selects 4WD - is > >not able to allow the front and rear tires to go different speeds, as when > >you go around a corner. The result is the tcase binds, and the bind is > >transmitted through the drive train and into the steering wheel, this causes > >the wobble you experienced. The stress on the drive train is released in > >spurts as the tires slip on the ground - this is the wobble. The whining is > >the tcase complaining about the tires going at different speeds, and is a > >precursor to serious damage - the tcase is chain driven, and the damage is > >that the chain will eventually stretch and break, or strip cogs off of the > >sprockets. The fact that the tcase can not tolerate these different speeds > >is the entire reason why you should never use 4WD except on solid snow and > >ice, or on dirt. If you can see the street, you should not be in 4WD, even > >if it is raining. > > > > > > > > > > > >"Angela" <anyoldmail@gmail.takethisout.com> wrote in message > >news:cmqui0$iom$1@news.freedom2surf.net... > >> .............but as I'm a girl it's allowed. > >> > >> My 6 month old Liberty has develeoped an intermittent noise when turning > >> right (and very very occaisionally left). I can only describe it as a > >cross > >> between a grinding noise and a whine. I can feel a very slight vibration > >> through the steering wheel as well. Sometimes it happens a lot, then I > >can > >> go for days with nothing, I can't even figure out what brings it on. > >Every > >> time I have take in to the dealership it doesn't happen (of course!!!) > >even > >> if it has been doing it a lot that day. They say until they can hear it > >> they wont be able to tell what it is. Does anybody have any clues? Is > >this > >> a common Liberty problem?? > >> > >> Angela > >> > >> > > |
Re: A girlie Liberty question....................
ABSOLUTELY NOT!
The tcase has no ability to function as a differential, the fornt and rear axles are locked together, but the tires easily go at different speeds. The different speeds means the tcase is being stressed. When it is suitable to use 4WD, you can shift into it at virtually any speed. The caveat is that if you are going so fast that the mechanics can't keep up, you probably don't need 4WD anyway. So, if you are going 45 and see that 4WD would be useful, AND the road surface meets the demands of the hardware, then you can shift into 4HI without any trouble. Shifting into 4HI at any speed is not the same as using 4HI on any surface. You should only use 4HI on a surface where the stresses can be released through the tires to the ground. "Tom Craft, MCP" <djfriarprod@obivous.spam.yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ft35p09b8134f74qkmn8rmnd6hsulslq0e@4ax.com... > I thought that the no 4WD on street was only for 4WD LO, I was under > the impression 4WD HI is ok anytime under 45 mph or so > > Tom > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:24:36 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" > <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote: > > >Angie, > >I have been following your posts both here and on alt.jeep-1. > > > >Given what you have said about only having 5000 miles on a brand new Libby, > >I would discount ujoints, ball joints, and any other kind of joints for now. > > > >The Tcase - you said SeleTrac - is the Part Time unit. The linkage can be > >mis adjusted, letting you think you are in 2HI, but actually have a partial > >selection of 4HI. If you tend to use 4HI for a bit, then go back to 2HI and > >notice the problem, my guess is the linkage is telling you that you are in > >2HI, but the gears are on the hairy edge of 4HI, and then you will feel the > >steering wheel wobble in a turn, and you will hear whines of complaint from > >the tcase. The Good News here is that adjusting the linkage is very easy, > >you can probably do it yourself without breaking a nail. I wouldn't test > >fate that way though, just get the dealer to make the adjustment for you. > > > >The test that you can do to verify the hypothisis is to fiddle with the 4WD > >lever while you are driving. Select 4HI, then go back to 2HI, but only move > >the lever far enough to to show that 4HI is disengaged. Feel for any > >detents, and see if the detents actually line up with the marks on the > >shifter and the actuation of the 4HI light. Basically, I think somebody is > >driving your Libby and testing 4WD, but now getting the shifter fully into > >2WD when they are done. The result is that you may experience intermittant > >complaints from the tcase, and a wobble in the steering wheel. > > > >The complaints and the wobble are related, in fact they are variations of > >the same thing. When you are driving along and minding your own business, > >the differential(s) allow the tires on each side of your Libby to turn at > >different speeds - this happens when you go around a corner, the inside tire > >has a shorter distance to travel than the outside tire, so the tires must > >turn at different speeds. The Transfer Case - the part that selects 4WD - is > >not able to allow the front and rear tires to go different speeds, as when > >you go around a corner. The result is the tcase binds, and the bind is > >transmitted through the drive train and into the steering wheel, this causes > >the wobble you experienced. The stress on the drive train is released in > >spurts as the tires slip on the ground - this is the wobble. The whining is > >the tcase complaining about the tires going at different speeds, and is a > >precursor to serious damage - the tcase is chain driven, and the damage is > >that the chain will eventually stretch and break, or strip cogs off of the > >sprockets. The fact that the tcase can not tolerate these different speeds > >is the entire reason why you should never use 4WD except on solid snow and > >ice, or on dirt. If you can see the street, you should not be in 4WD, even > >if it is raining. > > > > > > > > > > > >"Angela" <anyoldmail@gmail.takethisout.com> wrote in message > >news:cmqui0$iom$1@news.freedom2surf.net... > >> .............but as I'm a girl it's allowed. > >> > >> My 6 month old Liberty has develeoped an intermittent noise when turning > >> right (and very very occaisionally left). I can only describe it as a > >cross > >> between a grinding noise and a whine. I can feel a very slight vibration > >> through the steering wheel as well. Sometimes it happens a lot, then I > >can > >> go for days with nothing, I can't even figure out what brings it on. > >Every > >> time I have take in to the dealership it doesn't happen (of course!!!) > >even > >> if it has been doing it a lot that day. They say until they can hear it > >> they wont be able to tell what it is. Does anybody have any clues? Is > >this > >> a common Liberty problem?? > >> > >> Angela > >> > >> > > > |
Re: A girlie Liberty question....................
ABSOLUTELY NOT!
The tcase has no ability to function as a differential, the fornt and rear axles are locked together, but the tires easily go at different speeds. The different speeds means the tcase is being stressed. When it is suitable to use 4WD, you can shift into it at virtually any speed. The caveat is that if you are going so fast that the mechanics can't keep up, you probably don't need 4WD anyway. So, if you are going 45 and see that 4WD would be useful, AND the road surface meets the demands of the hardware, then you can shift into 4HI without any trouble. Shifting into 4HI at any speed is not the same as using 4HI on any surface. You should only use 4HI on a surface where the stresses can be released through the tires to the ground. "Tom Craft, MCP" <djfriarprod@obivous.spam.yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ft35p09b8134f74qkmn8rmnd6hsulslq0e@4ax.com... > I thought that the no 4WD on street was only for 4WD LO, I was under > the impression 4WD HI is ok anytime under 45 mph or so > > Tom > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:24:36 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" > <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote: > > >Angie, > >I have been following your posts both here and on alt.jeep-1. > > > >Given what you have said about only having 5000 miles on a brand new Libby, > >I would discount ujoints, ball joints, and any other kind of joints for now. > > > >The Tcase - you said SeleTrac - is the Part Time unit. The linkage can be > >mis adjusted, letting you think you are in 2HI, but actually have a partial > >selection of 4HI. If you tend to use 4HI for a bit, then go back to 2HI and > >notice the problem, my guess is the linkage is telling you that you are in > >2HI, but the gears are on the hairy edge of 4HI, and then you will feel the > >steering wheel wobble in a turn, and you will hear whines of complaint from > >the tcase. The Good News here is that adjusting the linkage is very easy, > >you can probably do it yourself without breaking a nail. I wouldn't test > >fate that way though, just get the dealer to make the adjustment for you. > > > >The test that you can do to verify the hypothisis is to fiddle with the 4WD > >lever while you are driving. Select 4HI, then go back to 2HI, but only move > >the lever far enough to to show that 4HI is disengaged. Feel for any > >detents, and see if the detents actually line up with the marks on the > >shifter and the actuation of the 4HI light. Basically, I think somebody is > >driving your Libby and testing 4WD, but now getting the shifter fully into > >2WD when they are done. The result is that you may experience intermittant > >complaints from the tcase, and a wobble in the steering wheel. > > > >The complaints and the wobble are related, in fact they are variations of > >the same thing. When you are driving along and minding your own business, > >the differential(s) allow the tires on each side of your Libby to turn at > >different speeds - this happens when you go around a corner, the inside tire > >has a shorter distance to travel than the outside tire, so the tires must > >turn at different speeds. The Transfer Case - the part that selects 4WD - is > >not able to allow the front and rear tires to go different speeds, as when > >you go around a corner. The result is the tcase binds, and the bind is > >transmitted through the drive train and into the steering wheel, this causes > >the wobble you experienced. The stress on the drive train is released in > >spurts as the tires slip on the ground - this is the wobble. The whining is > >the tcase complaining about the tires going at different speeds, and is a > >precursor to serious damage - the tcase is chain driven, and the damage is > >that the chain will eventually stretch and break, or strip cogs off of the > >sprockets. The fact that the tcase can not tolerate these different speeds > >is the entire reason why you should never use 4WD except on solid snow and > >ice, or on dirt. If you can see the street, you should not be in 4WD, even > >if it is raining. > > > > > > > > > > > >"Angela" <anyoldmail@gmail.takethisout.com> wrote in message > >news:cmqui0$iom$1@news.freedom2surf.net... > >> .............but as I'm a girl it's allowed. > >> > >> My 6 month old Liberty has develeoped an intermittent noise when turning > >> right (and very very occaisionally left). I can only describe it as a > >cross > >> between a grinding noise and a whine. I can feel a very slight vibration > >> through the steering wheel as well. Sometimes it happens a lot, then I > >can > >> go for days with nothing, I can't even figure out what brings it on. > >Every > >> time I have take in to the dealership it doesn't happen (of course!!!) > >even > >> if it has been doing it a lot that day. They say until they can hear it > >> they wont be able to tell what it is. Does anybody have any clues? Is > >this > >> a common Liberty problem?? > >> > >> Angela > >> > >> > > > |
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