Get the keepers off the valve stem
01-20-2004, 01:57 AM
#31
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Re: Get the keepers off the valve stem
Krap, that's a great idea. I have a compression tester I bought at the flea
market for a couple of bucks and the hose comes right off. I'll take that
and get a fitting for the compressor. I might be able to borrow one from my
maitanance dept at work.
Thanks for the great info.
Bill
"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:A93Pb.176816$JQ1.70090@pd7tw1no...
> Usually you can use the hose from your compression tester and some brass
> fittings and adapt it to an air hose coupling. I've also known guys to
make
> them from old sparkplugs. Break out the porcelain innards and weld a
piece
> of theaded pipe onto the plug casing. But if a compressors not in the shop
> I'd bet the welder isn't either. I guess the gamble is whether the cost
of
> head gasket and intake gaskets and value of your labor to r & R the head
if
> you drop a valve is still less than the cost of renting a compressor and
> couping to do it. You don't need a very large compressor. I don't like
> stuffing tthings in the cyl. Possible to get a piece of the rope under
the
> valve, knock a piece of carbon off and lodge it somewhere, maybe even bend
a
> valve if the rope was under the valve head and you turned it over. It
could
> conceivably hold it open and the piston hit it when you rolled up to TDC.
> Maybe I'm just a worrier, but I think I'd rather r & r the head than stuff
> things in the cyl. That old cast iron 6 is pretty easy to work on, leave
> the intake and exhaust manifold attached to the head, just unhook the
> exhaust pipe and the head can be removed with most still attached.
> Steve
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:bui62a$hmm77$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > What type of interface would you use to add compressed air to the
> cylinder?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> > news:xN0Pb.178859$X%5.91011@pd7tw2no...
> > > Yes you use the spring compressor. If the valve stem is dropping with
> the
> > > spring as you compress it your rope is not holding the valve up. When
> the
> > > valve is properly held tight against it's seat and you compress the
> spring
> > > the bottom of the spring will lift off the head because the retainer
is
> > > stuck to the keepers. With the spring compressed and valve held
firmly
> up
> > > lightly tap the retainer with a hammer. I wouldn't be very comfortable
> > coing
> > > this with a rope, pretty risky.
> > > Steve
> > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > > news:bui4mn$ib5pg$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder
> and
> > > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of
> the
> > > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs
out?
> > > Only
> > > > to put them in?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:400C9298.A9E521E0@***.net...
> > > > > Are you using air to hold the valve? I use a regular socket
and
> > pop
> > > > > it with a mallet, the keepers usually just bounce out.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have
the
> > > > spring
> > > > > > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so I
> can
> > > get
> > > > the
> > > > > > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of
> > needle
> > > > nose
> > > > > > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
market for a couple of bucks and the hose comes right off. I'll take that
and get a fitting for the compressor. I might be able to borrow one from my
maitanance dept at work.
Thanks for the great info.
Bill
"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:A93Pb.176816$JQ1.70090@pd7tw1no...
> Usually you can use the hose from your compression tester and some brass
> fittings and adapt it to an air hose coupling. I've also known guys to
make
> them from old sparkplugs. Break out the porcelain innards and weld a
piece
> of theaded pipe onto the plug casing. But if a compressors not in the shop
> I'd bet the welder isn't either. I guess the gamble is whether the cost
of
> head gasket and intake gaskets and value of your labor to r & R the head
if
> you drop a valve is still less than the cost of renting a compressor and
> couping to do it. You don't need a very large compressor. I don't like
> stuffing tthings in the cyl. Possible to get a piece of the rope under
the
> valve, knock a piece of carbon off and lodge it somewhere, maybe even bend
a
> valve if the rope was under the valve head and you turned it over. It
could
> conceivably hold it open and the piston hit it when you rolled up to TDC.
> Maybe I'm just a worrier, but I think I'd rather r & r the head than stuff
> things in the cyl. That old cast iron 6 is pretty easy to work on, leave
> the intake and exhaust manifold attached to the head, just unhook the
> exhaust pipe and the head can be removed with most still attached.
> Steve
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:bui62a$hmm77$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > What type of interface would you use to add compressed air to the
> cylinder?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> > news:xN0Pb.178859$X%5.91011@pd7tw2no...
> > > Yes you use the spring compressor. If the valve stem is dropping with
> the
> > > spring as you compress it your rope is not holding the valve up. When
> the
> > > valve is properly held tight against it's seat and you compress the
> spring
> > > the bottom of the spring will lift off the head because the retainer
is
> > > stuck to the keepers. With the spring compressed and valve held
firmly
> up
> > > lightly tap the retainer with a hammer. I wouldn't be very comfortable
> > coing
> > > this with a rope, pretty risky.
> > > Steve
> > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > > news:bui4mn$ib5pg$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder
> and
> > > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of
> the
> > > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs
out?
> > > Only
> > > > to put them in?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:400C9298.A9E521E0@***.net...
> > > > > Are you using air to hold the valve? I use a regular socket
and
> > pop
> > > > > it with a mallet, the keepers usually just bounce out.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have
the
> > > > spring
> > > > > > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so I
> can
> > > get
> > > > the
> > > > > > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of
> > needle
> > > > nose
> > > > > > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
01-20-2004, 01:57 AM
#32
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Re: Get the keepers off the valve stem
Thanks for the excellent ideas and links
Bill
"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:Z_2Pb.94204$fq1.64060@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> You can kind of kill two birds with one stone if you plan on doing more
> engine diagnosis in the future. You can just build a cylinder leakdown
> tester similar to what's on this page:
>
> http://www.xs11.com/tips/misc/misc3.shtml
>
> You can use that to hold the valves in place. Just crank the regulator
wide
> open. If you don't need this, you can use the tip on that page for an
> adapter. Just a gutted spark plug with a hose CRIMPED on to it. I wouldn't
> use hose clamps for this, but that's up to you. Otherwise, you can go to
an
> auto parts store and get a short hose that has the correct ends on it
> already, similar to this:
>
>
http://www.globaltoolsupply.com/cgi-...store/scstore/
p-P1-360.html?E+scstore
>
> This will adapt a standard pipe thread on the air hose to the spark plug
> thread.
>
> Chris
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:bui5th$hv9cu$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Looks to me like the seals are holding position on the valve stem, not
> > remaining down against the head.
> >
> > I'm using nylon rope which is less prone to knot (I hope, I hope, I
hope).
> >
> > Thank you for the good luck wish. Later, when I can invest in an air
> > compressor I can do it more safely.
> >
> > I wonder what they cost to rent.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:400C9922.359BFF5@***.net...
> > > Hi Bill,
> > > Yup, that's the way I do it.
> > > I believe by time I got enough rope inside the camber to jam
valve,
> > > it'd coil and knot. Good luck. How are the seals are they hard and
> > > sliding of the stem?
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > >
> > > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder
> and
> > > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of
> the
> > > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs
out?
> > Only
> > > > to put them in?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> >
> >
>
>
Bill
"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:Z_2Pb.94204$fq1.64060@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> You can kind of kill two birds with one stone if you plan on doing more
> engine diagnosis in the future. You can just build a cylinder leakdown
> tester similar to what's on this page:
>
> http://www.xs11.com/tips/misc/misc3.shtml
>
> You can use that to hold the valves in place. Just crank the regulator
wide
> open. If you don't need this, you can use the tip on that page for an
> adapter. Just a gutted spark plug with a hose CRIMPED on to it. I wouldn't
> use hose clamps for this, but that's up to you. Otherwise, you can go to
an
> auto parts store and get a short hose that has the correct ends on it
> already, similar to this:
>
>
http://www.globaltoolsupply.com/cgi-...store/scstore/
p-P1-360.html?E+scstore
>
> This will adapt a standard pipe thread on the air hose to the spark plug
> thread.
>
> Chris
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:bui5th$hv9cu$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Looks to me like the seals are holding position on the valve stem, not
> > remaining down against the head.
> >
> > I'm using nylon rope which is less prone to knot (I hope, I hope, I
hope).
> >
> > Thank you for the good luck wish. Later, when I can invest in an air
> > compressor I can do it more safely.
> >
> > I wonder what they cost to rent.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:400C9922.359BFF5@***.net...
> > > Hi Bill,
> > > Yup, that's the way I do it.
> > > I believe by time I got enough rope inside the camber to jam
valve,
> > > it'd coil and knot. Good luck. How are the seals are they hard and
> > > sliding of the stem?
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > >
> > > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder
> and
> > > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of
> the
> > > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs
out?
> > Only
> > > > to put them in?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> >
> >
>
>
01-20-2004, 01:57 AM
#33
Guest
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Re: Get the keepers off the valve stem
Thanks for the excellent ideas and links
Bill
"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:Z_2Pb.94204$fq1.64060@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> You can kind of kill two birds with one stone if you plan on doing more
> engine diagnosis in the future. You can just build a cylinder leakdown
> tester similar to what's on this page:
>
> http://www.xs11.com/tips/misc/misc3.shtml
>
> You can use that to hold the valves in place. Just crank the regulator
wide
> open. If you don't need this, you can use the tip on that page for an
> adapter. Just a gutted spark plug with a hose CRIMPED on to it. I wouldn't
> use hose clamps for this, but that's up to you. Otherwise, you can go to
an
> auto parts store and get a short hose that has the correct ends on it
> already, similar to this:
>
>
http://www.globaltoolsupply.com/cgi-...store/scstore/
p-P1-360.html?E+scstore
>
> This will adapt a standard pipe thread on the air hose to the spark plug
> thread.
>
> Chris
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:bui5th$hv9cu$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Looks to me like the seals are holding position on the valve stem, not
> > remaining down against the head.
> >
> > I'm using nylon rope which is less prone to knot (I hope, I hope, I
hope).
> >
> > Thank you for the good luck wish. Later, when I can invest in an air
> > compressor I can do it more safely.
> >
> > I wonder what they cost to rent.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:400C9922.359BFF5@***.net...
> > > Hi Bill,
> > > Yup, that's the way I do it.
> > > I believe by time I got enough rope inside the camber to jam
valve,
> > > it'd coil and knot. Good luck. How are the seals are they hard and
> > > sliding of the stem?
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > >
> > > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder
> and
> > > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of
> the
> > > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs
out?
> > Only
> > > > to put them in?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> >
> >
>
>
Bill
"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:Z_2Pb.94204$fq1.64060@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> You can kind of kill two birds with one stone if you plan on doing more
> engine diagnosis in the future. You can just build a cylinder leakdown
> tester similar to what's on this page:
>
> http://www.xs11.com/tips/misc/misc3.shtml
>
> You can use that to hold the valves in place. Just crank the regulator
wide
> open. If you don't need this, you can use the tip on that page for an
> adapter. Just a gutted spark plug with a hose CRIMPED on to it. I wouldn't
> use hose clamps for this, but that's up to you. Otherwise, you can go to
an
> auto parts store and get a short hose that has the correct ends on it
> already, similar to this:
>
>
http://www.globaltoolsupply.com/cgi-...store/scstore/
p-P1-360.html?E+scstore
>
> This will adapt a standard pipe thread on the air hose to the spark plug
> thread.
>
> Chris
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:bui5th$hv9cu$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Looks to me like the seals are holding position on the valve stem, not
> > remaining down against the head.
> >
> > I'm using nylon rope which is less prone to knot (I hope, I hope, I
hope).
> >
> > Thank you for the good luck wish. Later, when I can invest in an air
> > compressor I can do it more safely.
> >
> > I wonder what they cost to rent.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:400C9922.359BFF5@***.net...
> > > Hi Bill,
> > > Yup, that's the way I do it.
> > > I believe by time I got enough rope inside the camber to jam
valve,
> > > it'd coil and knot. Good luck. How are the seals are they hard and
> > > sliding of the stem?
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > >
> > > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder
> and
> > > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of
> the
> > > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs
out?
> > Only
> > > > to put them in?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> >
> >
>
>
01-20-2004, 01:57 AM
#34
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Get the keepers off the valve stem
Thanks for the excellent ideas and links
Bill
"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:Z_2Pb.94204$fq1.64060@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> You can kind of kill two birds with one stone if you plan on doing more
> engine diagnosis in the future. You can just build a cylinder leakdown
> tester similar to what's on this page:
>
> http://www.xs11.com/tips/misc/misc3.shtml
>
> You can use that to hold the valves in place. Just crank the regulator
wide
> open. If you don't need this, you can use the tip on that page for an
> adapter. Just a gutted spark plug with a hose CRIMPED on to it. I wouldn't
> use hose clamps for this, but that's up to you. Otherwise, you can go to
an
> auto parts store and get a short hose that has the correct ends on it
> already, similar to this:
>
>
http://www.globaltoolsupply.com/cgi-...store/scstore/
p-P1-360.html?E+scstore
>
> This will adapt a standard pipe thread on the air hose to the spark plug
> thread.
>
> Chris
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:bui5th$hv9cu$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Looks to me like the seals are holding position on the valve stem, not
> > remaining down against the head.
> >
> > I'm using nylon rope which is less prone to knot (I hope, I hope, I
hope).
> >
> > Thank you for the good luck wish. Later, when I can invest in an air
> > compressor I can do it more safely.
> >
> > I wonder what they cost to rent.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:400C9922.359BFF5@***.net...
> > > Hi Bill,
> > > Yup, that's the way I do it.
> > > I believe by time I got enough rope inside the camber to jam
valve,
> > > it'd coil and knot. Good luck. How are the seals are they hard and
> > > sliding of the stem?
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > >
> > > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder
> and
> > > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of
> the
> > > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs
out?
> > Only
> > > > to put them in?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> >
> >
>
>
Bill
"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:Z_2Pb.94204$fq1.64060@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> You can kind of kill two birds with one stone if you plan on doing more
> engine diagnosis in the future. You can just build a cylinder leakdown
> tester similar to what's on this page:
>
> http://www.xs11.com/tips/misc/misc3.shtml
>
> You can use that to hold the valves in place. Just crank the regulator
wide
> open. If you don't need this, you can use the tip on that page for an
> adapter. Just a gutted spark plug with a hose CRIMPED on to it. I wouldn't
> use hose clamps for this, but that's up to you. Otherwise, you can go to
an
> auto parts store and get a short hose that has the correct ends on it
> already, similar to this:
>
>
http://www.globaltoolsupply.com/cgi-...store/scstore/
p-P1-360.html?E+scstore
>
> This will adapt a standard pipe thread on the air hose to the spark plug
> thread.
>
> Chris
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:bui5th$hv9cu$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Looks to me like the seals are holding position on the valve stem, not
> > remaining down against the head.
> >
> > I'm using nylon rope which is less prone to knot (I hope, I hope, I
hope).
> >
> > Thank you for the good luck wish. Later, when I can invest in an air
> > compressor I can do it more safely.
> >
> > I wonder what they cost to rent.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:400C9922.359BFF5@***.net...
> > > Hi Bill,
> > > Yup, that's the way I do it.
> > > I believe by time I got enough rope inside the camber to jam
valve,
> > > it'd coil and knot. Good luck. How are the seals are they hard and
> > > sliding of the stem?
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > >
> > > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder
> and
> > > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of
> the
> > > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs
out?
> > Only
> > > > to put them in?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> >
> >
>
>
01-20-2004, 03:20 AM
#35
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Re: Get the keepers off the valve stem
Head is on the vehicle. What is the source of your confusion?
"Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message
news:400c9194_1@newspeer2.tds.net...
> Assuming the head is OFF the vehicle........
>
> Tap the valve upward with a soft mallet to break it loose.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> If the head is ON the vehicle, then I am confused.
>
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:bui28g$i1hgs$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have the
spring
> > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so I can get
> the
> > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of needle
nose
> > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> >
> >
>
>
"Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message
news:400c9194_1@newspeer2.tds.net...
> Assuming the head is OFF the vehicle........
>
> Tap the valve upward with a soft mallet to break it loose.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> If the head is ON the vehicle, then I am confused.
>
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:bui28g$i1hgs$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have the
spring
> > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so I can get
> the
> > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of needle
nose
> > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> >
> >
>
>
01-20-2004, 03:20 AM
#36
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Re: Get the keepers off the valve stem
Head is on the vehicle. What is the source of your confusion?
"Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message
news:400c9194_1@newspeer2.tds.net...
> Assuming the head is OFF the vehicle........
>
> Tap the valve upward with a soft mallet to break it loose.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> If the head is ON the vehicle, then I am confused.
>
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:bui28g$i1hgs$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have the
spring
> > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so I can get
> the
> > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of needle
nose
> > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> >
> >
>
>
"Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message
news:400c9194_1@newspeer2.tds.net...
> Assuming the head is OFF the vehicle........
>
> Tap the valve upward with a soft mallet to break it loose.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> If the head is ON the vehicle, then I am confused.
>
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:bui28g$i1hgs$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have the
spring
> > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so I can get
> the
> > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of needle
nose
> > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> >
> >
>
>
01-20-2004, 03:20 AM
#37
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Posts: n/a
Re: Get the keepers off the valve stem
Head is on the vehicle. What is the source of your confusion?
"Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message
news:400c9194_1@newspeer2.tds.net...
> Assuming the head is OFF the vehicle........
>
> Tap the valve upward with a soft mallet to break it loose.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> If the head is ON the vehicle, then I am confused.
>
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:bui28g$i1hgs$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have the
spring
> > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so I can get
> the
> > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of needle
nose
> > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> >
> >
>
>
"Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message
news:400c9194_1@newspeer2.tds.net...
> Assuming the head is OFF the vehicle........
>
> Tap the valve upward with a soft mallet to break it loose.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> If the head is ON the vehicle, then I am confused.
>
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:bui28g$i1hgs$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have the
spring
> > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so I can get
> the
> > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of needle
nose
> > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> >
> >
>
>
01-20-2004, 01:01 PM
#38
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Re: Get the keepers off the valve stem
My Snap-on comp tester's connector matches my air lines. Make sure and
remove the schraeder valve, and that the piston is at bdc, or it will spin
the engine.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:buiji1$i6t47$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Krap, that's a great idea. I have a compression tester I bought at the
flea
> market for a couple of bucks and the hose comes right off. I'll take that
> and get a fitting for the compressor. I might be able to borrow one from
my
> maitanance dept at work.
>
> Thanks for the great info.
>
> Bill
>
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> news:A93Pb.176816$JQ1.70090@pd7tw1no...
> > Usually you can use the hose from your compression tester and some brass
> > fittings and adapt it to an air hose coupling. I've also known guys to
> make
> > them from old sparkplugs. Break out the porcelain innards and weld a
> piece
> > of theaded pipe onto the plug casing. But if a compressors not in the
shop
> > I'd bet the welder isn't either. I guess the gamble is whether the cost
> of
> > head gasket and intake gaskets and value of your labor to r & R the head
> if
> > you drop a valve is still less than the cost of renting a compressor and
> > couping to do it. You don't need a very large compressor. I don't like
> > stuffing tthings in the cyl. Possible to get a piece of the rope under
> the
> > valve, knock a piece of carbon off and lodge it somewhere, maybe even
bend
> a
> > valve if the rope was under the valve head and you turned it over. It
> could
> > conceivably hold it open and the piston hit it when you rolled up to
TDC.
> > Maybe I'm just a worrier, but I think I'd rather r & r the head than
stuff
> > things in the cyl. That old cast iron 6 is pretty easy to work on,
leave
> > the intake and exhaust manifold attached to the head, just unhook the
> > exhaust pipe and the head can be removed with most still attached.
> > Steve
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:bui62a$hmm77$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > What type of interface would you use to add compressed air to the
> > cylinder?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > > "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> > > news:xN0Pb.178859$X%5.91011@pd7tw2no...
> > > > Yes you use the spring compressor. If the valve stem is dropping
with
> > the
> > > > spring as you compress it your rope is not holding the valve up.
When
> > the
> > > > valve is properly held tight against it's seat and you compress the
> > spring
> > > > the bottom of the spring will lift off the head because the retainer
> is
> > > > stuck to the keepers. With the spring compressed and valve held
> firmly
> > up
> > > > lightly tap the retainer with a hammer. I wouldn't be very
comfortable
> > > coing
> > > > this with a rope, pretty risky.
> > > > Steve
> > > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:bui4mn$ib5pg$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the
cylinder
> > and
> > > > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top
of
> > the
> > > > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs
> out?
> > > > Only
> > > > > to put them in?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:400C9298.A9E521E0@***.net...
> > > > > > Are you using air to hold the valve? I use a regular socket
> and
> > > pop
> > > > > > it with a mallet, the keepers usually just bounce out.
> > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have
> the
> > > > > spring
> > > > > > > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so
I
> > can
> > > > get
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of
> > > needle
> > > > > nose
> > > > > > > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
remove the schraeder valve, and that the piston is at bdc, or it will spin
the engine.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:buiji1$i6t47$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Krap, that's a great idea. I have a compression tester I bought at the
flea
> market for a couple of bucks and the hose comes right off. I'll take that
> and get a fitting for the compressor. I might be able to borrow one from
my
> maitanance dept at work.
>
> Thanks for the great info.
>
> Bill
>
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> news:A93Pb.176816$JQ1.70090@pd7tw1no...
> > Usually you can use the hose from your compression tester and some brass
> > fittings and adapt it to an air hose coupling. I've also known guys to
> make
> > them from old sparkplugs. Break out the porcelain innards and weld a
> piece
> > of theaded pipe onto the plug casing. But if a compressors not in the
shop
> > I'd bet the welder isn't either. I guess the gamble is whether the cost
> of
> > head gasket and intake gaskets and value of your labor to r & R the head
> if
> > you drop a valve is still less than the cost of renting a compressor and
> > couping to do it. You don't need a very large compressor. I don't like
> > stuffing tthings in the cyl. Possible to get a piece of the rope under
> the
> > valve, knock a piece of carbon off and lodge it somewhere, maybe even
bend
> a
> > valve if the rope was under the valve head and you turned it over. It
> could
> > conceivably hold it open and the piston hit it when you rolled up to
TDC.
> > Maybe I'm just a worrier, but I think I'd rather r & r the head than
stuff
> > things in the cyl. That old cast iron 6 is pretty easy to work on,
leave
> > the intake and exhaust manifold attached to the head, just unhook the
> > exhaust pipe and the head can be removed with most still attached.
> > Steve
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:bui62a$hmm77$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > What type of interface would you use to add compressed air to the
> > cylinder?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > > "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> > > news:xN0Pb.178859$X%5.91011@pd7tw2no...
> > > > Yes you use the spring compressor. If the valve stem is dropping
with
> > the
> > > > spring as you compress it your rope is not holding the valve up.
When
> > the
> > > > valve is properly held tight against it's seat and you compress the
> > spring
> > > > the bottom of the spring will lift off the head because the retainer
> is
> > > > stuck to the keepers. With the spring compressed and valve held
> firmly
> > up
> > > > lightly tap the retainer with a hammer. I wouldn't be very
comfortable
> > > coing
> > > > this with a rope, pretty risky.
> > > > Steve
> > > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:bui4mn$ib5pg$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the
cylinder
> > and
> > > > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top
of
> > the
> > > > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs
> out?
> > > > Only
> > > > > to put them in?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:400C9298.A9E521E0@***.net...
> > > > > > Are you using air to hold the valve? I use a regular socket
> and
> > > pop
> > > > > > it with a mallet, the keepers usually just bounce out.
> > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have
> the
> > > > > spring
> > > > > > > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so
I
> > can
> > > > get
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of
> > > needle
> > > > > nose
> > > > > > > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
01-20-2004, 01:01 PM
#39
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Get the keepers off the valve stem
My Snap-on comp tester's connector matches my air lines. Make sure and
remove the schraeder valve, and that the piston is at bdc, or it will spin
the engine.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:buiji1$i6t47$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Krap, that's a great idea. I have a compression tester I bought at the
flea
> market for a couple of bucks and the hose comes right off. I'll take that
> and get a fitting for the compressor. I might be able to borrow one from
my
> maitanance dept at work.
>
> Thanks for the great info.
>
> Bill
>
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> news:A93Pb.176816$JQ1.70090@pd7tw1no...
> > Usually you can use the hose from your compression tester and some brass
> > fittings and adapt it to an air hose coupling. I've also known guys to
> make
> > them from old sparkplugs. Break out the porcelain innards and weld a
> piece
> > of theaded pipe onto the plug casing. But if a compressors not in the
shop
> > I'd bet the welder isn't either. I guess the gamble is whether the cost
> of
> > head gasket and intake gaskets and value of your labor to r & R the head
> if
> > you drop a valve is still less than the cost of renting a compressor and
> > couping to do it. You don't need a very large compressor. I don't like
> > stuffing tthings in the cyl. Possible to get a piece of the rope under
> the
> > valve, knock a piece of carbon off and lodge it somewhere, maybe even
bend
> a
> > valve if the rope was under the valve head and you turned it over. It
> could
> > conceivably hold it open and the piston hit it when you rolled up to
TDC.
> > Maybe I'm just a worrier, but I think I'd rather r & r the head than
stuff
> > things in the cyl. That old cast iron 6 is pretty easy to work on,
leave
> > the intake and exhaust manifold attached to the head, just unhook the
> > exhaust pipe and the head can be removed with most still attached.
> > Steve
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:bui62a$hmm77$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > What type of interface would you use to add compressed air to the
> > cylinder?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > > "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> > > news:xN0Pb.178859$X%5.91011@pd7tw2no...
> > > > Yes you use the spring compressor. If the valve stem is dropping
with
> > the
> > > > spring as you compress it your rope is not holding the valve up.
When
> > the
> > > > valve is properly held tight against it's seat and you compress the
> > spring
> > > > the bottom of the spring will lift off the head because the retainer
> is
> > > > stuck to the keepers. With the spring compressed and valve held
> firmly
> > up
> > > > lightly tap the retainer with a hammer. I wouldn't be very
comfortable
> > > coing
> > > > this with a rope, pretty risky.
> > > > Steve
> > > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:bui4mn$ib5pg$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the
cylinder
> > and
> > > > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top
of
> > the
> > > > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs
> out?
> > > > Only
> > > > > to put them in?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:400C9298.A9E521E0@***.net...
> > > > > > Are you using air to hold the valve? I use a regular socket
> and
> > > pop
> > > > > > it with a mallet, the keepers usually just bounce out.
> > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have
> the
> > > > > spring
> > > > > > > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so
I
> > can
> > > > get
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of
> > > needle
> > > > > nose
> > > > > > > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
remove the schraeder valve, and that the piston is at bdc, or it will spin
the engine.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:buiji1$i6t47$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Krap, that's a great idea. I have a compression tester I bought at the
flea
> market for a couple of bucks and the hose comes right off. I'll take that
> and get a fitting for the compressor. I might be able to borrow one from
my
> maitanance dept at work.
>
> Thanks for the great info.
>
> Bill
>
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> news:A93Pb.176816$JQ1.70090@pd7tw1no...
> > Usually you can use the hose from your compression tester and some brass
> > fittings and adapt it to an air hose coupling. I've also known guys to
> make
> > them from old sparkplugs. Break out the porcelain innards and weld a
> piece
> > of theaded pipe onto the plug casing. But if a compressors not in the
shop
> > I'd bet the welder isn't either. I guess the gamble is whether the cost
> of
> > head gasket and intake gaskets and value of your labor to r & R the head
> if
> > you drop a valve is still less than the cost of renting a compressor and
> > couping to do it. You don't need a very large compressor. I don't like
> > stuffing tthings in the cyl. Possible to get a piece of the rope under
> the
> > valve, knock a piece of carbon off and lodge it somewhere, maybe even
bend
> a
> > valve if the rope was under the valve head and you turned it over. It
> could
> > conceivably hold it open and the piston hit it when you rolled up to
TDC.
> > Maybe I'm just a worrier, but I think I'd rather r & r the head than
stuff
> > things in the cyl. That old cast iron 6 is pretty easy to work on,
leave
> > the intake and exhaust manifold attached to the head, just unhook the
> > exhaust pipe and the head can be removed with most still attached.
> > Steve
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:bui62a$hmm77$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > What type of interface would you use to add compressed air to the
> > cylinder?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > > "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> > > news:xN0Pb.178859$X%5.91011@pd7tw2no...
> > > > Yes you use the spring compressor. If the valve stem is dropping
with
> > the
> > > > spring as you compress it your rope is not holding the valve up.
When
> > the
> > > > valve is properly held tight against it's seat and you compress the
> > spring
> > > > the bottom of the spring will lift off the head because the retainer
> is
> > > > stuck to the keepers. With the spring compressed and valve held
> firmly
> > up
> > > > lightly tap the retainer with a hammer. I wouldn't be very
comfortable
> > > coing
> > > > this with a rope, pretty risky.
> > > > Steve
> > > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:bui4mn$ib5pg$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the
cylinder
> > and
> > > > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top
of
> > the
> > > > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs
> out?
> > > > Only
> > > > > to put them in?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:400C9298.A9E521E0@***.net...
> > > > > > Are you using air to hold the valve? I use a regular socket
> and
> > > pop
> > > > > > it with a mallet, the keepers usually just bounce out.
> > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have
> the
> > > > > spring
> > > > > > > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so
I
> > can
> > > > get
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of
> > > needle
> > > > > nose
> > > > > > > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
01-20-2004, 01:01 PM
#40
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Get the keepers off the valve stem
My Snap-on comp tester's connector matches my air lines. Make sure and
remove the schraeder valve, and that the piston is at bdc, or it will spin
the engine.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:buiji1$i6t47$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Krap, that's a great idea. I have a compression tester I bought at the
flea
> market for a couple of bucks and the hose comes right off. I'll take that
> and get a fitting for the compressor. I might be able to borrow one from
my
> maitanance dept at work.
>
> Thanks for the great info.
>
> Bill
>
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> news:A93Pb.176816$JQ1.70090@pd7tw1no...
> > Usually you can use the hose from your compression tester and some brass
> > fittings and adapt it to an air hose coupling. I've also known guys to
> make
> > them from old sparkplugs. Break out the porcelain innards and weld a
> piece
> > of theaded pipe onto the plug casing. But if a compressors not in the
shop
> > I'd bet the welder isn't either. I guess the gamble is whether the cost
> of
> > head gasket and intake gaskets and value of your labor to r & R the head
> if
> > you drop a valve is still less than the cost of renting a compressor and
> > couping to do it. You don't need a very large compressor. I don't like
> > stuffing tthings in the cyl. Possible to get a piece of the rope under
> the
> > valve, knock a piece of carbon off and lodge it somewhere, maybe even
bend
> a
> > valve if the rope was under the valve head and you turned it over. It
> could
> > conceivably hold it open and the piston hit it when you rolled up to
TDC.
> > Maybe I'm just a worrier, but I think I'd rather r & r the head than
stuff
> > things in the cyl. That old cast iron 6 is pretty easy to work on,
leave
> > the intake and exhaust manifold attached to the head, just unhook the
> > exhaust pipe and the head can be removed with most still attached.
> > Steve
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:bui62a$hmm77$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > What type of interface would you use to add compressed air to the
> > cylinder?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > > "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> > > news:xN0Pb.178859$X%5.91011@pd7tw2no...
> > > > Yes you use the spring compressor. If the valve stem is dropping
with
> > the
> > > > spring as you compress it your rope is not holding the valve up.
When
> > the
> > > > valve is properly held tight against it's seat and you compress the
> > spring
> > > > the bottom of the spring will lift off the head because the retainer
> is
> > > > stuck to the keepers. With the spring compressed and valve held
> firmly
> > up
> > > > lightly tap the retainer with a hammer. I wouldn't be very
comfortable
> > > coing
> > > > this with a rope, pretty risky.
> > > > Steve
> > > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:bui4mn$ib5pg$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the
cylinder
> > and
> > > > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top
of
> > the
> > > > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs
> out?
> > > > Only
> > > > > to put them in?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:400C9298.A9E521E0@***.net...
> > > > > > Are you using air to hold the valve? I use a regular socket
> and
> > > pop
> > > > > > it with a mallet, the keepers usually just bounce out.
> > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have
> the
> > > > > spring
> > > > > > > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so
I
> > can
> > > > get
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of
> > > needle
> > > > > nose
> > > > > > > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
remove the schraeder valve, and that the piston is at bdc, or it will spin
the engine.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:buiji1$i6t47$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Krap, that's a great idea. I have a compression tester I bought at the
flea
> market for a couple of bucks and the hose comes right off. I'll take that
> and get a fitting for the compressor. I might be able to borrow one from
my
> maitanance dept at work.
>
> Thanks for the great info.
>
> Bill
>
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> news:A93Pb.176816$JQ1.70090@pd7tw1no...
> > Usually you can use the hose from your compression tester and some brass
> > fittings and adapt it to an air hose coupling. I've also known guys to
> make
> > them from old sparkplugs. Break out the porcelain innards and weld a
> piece
> > of theaded pipe onto the plug casing. But if a compressors not in the
shop
> > I'd bet the welder isn't either. I guess the gamble is whether the cost
> of
> > head gasket and intake gaskets and value of your labor to r & R the head
> if
> > you drop a valve is still less than the cost of renting a compressor and
> > couping to do it. You don't need a very large compressor. I don't like
> > stuffing tthings in the cyl. Possible to get a piece of the rope under
> the
> > valve, knock a piece of carbon off and lodge it somewhere, maybe even
bend
> a
> > valve if the rope was under the valve head and you turned it over. It
> could
> > conceivably hold it open and the piston hit it when you rolled up to
TDC.
> > Maybe I'm just a worrier, but I think I'd rather r & r the head than
stuff
> > things in the cyl. That old cast iron 6 is pretty easy to work on,
leave
> > the intake and exhaust manifold attached to the head, just unhook the
> > exhaust pipe and the head can be removed with most still attached.
> > Steve
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:bui62a$hmm77$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > What type of interface would you use to add compressed air to the
> > cylinder?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > > "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> > > news:xN0Pb.178859$X%5.91011@pd7tw2no...
> > > > Yes you use the spring compressor. If the valve stem is dropping
with
> > the
> > > > spring as you compress it your rope is not holding the valve up.
When
> > the
> > > > valve is properly held tight against it's seat and you compress the
> > spring
> > > > the bottom of the spring will lift off the head because the retainer
> is
> > > > stuck to the keepers. With the spring compressed and valve held
> firmly
> > up
> > > > lightly tap the retainer with a hammer. I wouldn't be very
comfortable
> > > coing
> > > > this with a rope, pretty risky.
> > > > Steve
> > > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:bui4mn$ib5pg$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the
cylinder
> > and
> > > > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top
of
> > the
> > > > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs
> out?
> > > > Only
> > > > > to put them in?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:400C9298.A9E521E0@***.net...
> > > > > > Are you using air to hold the valve? I use a regular socket
> and
> > > pop
> > > > > > it with a mallet, the keepers usually just bounce out.
> > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have
> the
> > > > > spring
> > > > > > > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so
I
> > can
> > > > get
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of
> > > needle
> > > > > nose
> > > > > > > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
