Get the keepers off the valve stem
#21
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Re: Get the keepers off the valve stem
What type of interface would you use to add compressed air to the cylinder?
Thanks,
Bill
"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:xN0Pb.178859$X%5.91011@pd7tw2no...
> Yes you use the spring compressor. If the valve stem is dropping with the
> spring as you compress it your rope is not holding the valve up. When the
> valve is properly held tight against it's seat and you compress the spring
> the bottom of the spring will lift off the head because the retainer is
> stuck to the keepers. With the spring compressed and valve held firmly up
> lightly tap the retainer with a hammer. I wouldn't be very comfortable
coing
> this with a rope, pretty risky.
> Steve
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:bui4mn$ib5pg$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder and
> > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of the
> > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs out?
> Only
> > to put them in?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:400C9298.A9E521E0@***.net...
> > > Are you using air to hold the valve? I use a regular socket and
pop
> > > it with a mallet, the keepers usually just bounce out.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have the
> > spring
> > > > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so I can
> get
> > the
> > > > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of
needle
> > nose
> > > > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> >
> >
>
>
Thanks,
Bill
"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:xN0Pb.178859$X%5.91011@pd7tw2no...
> Yes you use the spring compressor. If the valve stem is dropping with the
> spring as you compress it your rope is not holding the valve up. When the
> valve is properly held tight against it's seat and you compress the spring
> the bottom of the spring will lift off the head because the retainer is
> stuck to the keepers. With the spring compressed and valve held firmly up
> lightly tap the retainer with a hammer. I wouldn't be very comfortable
coing
> this with a rope, pretty risky.
> Steve
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:bui4mn$ib5pg$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder and
> > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of the
> > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs out?
> Only
> > to put them in?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:400C9298.A9E521E0@***.net...
> > > Are you using air to hold the valve? I use a regular socket and
pop
> > > it with a mallet, the keepers usually just bounce out.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have the
> > spring
> > > > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so I can
> get
> > the
> > > > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of
needle
> > nose
> > > > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> >
> >
>
>
#22
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Re: Get the keepers off the valve stem
What type of interface would you use to add compressed air to the cylinder?
Thanks,
Bill
"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:xN0Pb.178859$X%5.91011@pd7tw2no...
> Yes you use the spring compressor. If the valve stem is dropping with the
> spring as you compress it your rope is not holding the valve up. When the
> valve is properly held tight against it's seat and you compress the spring
> the bottom of the spring will lift off the head because the retainer is
> stuck to the keepers. With the spring compressed and valve held firmly up
> lightly tap the retainer with a hammer. I wouldn't be very comfortable
coing
> this with a rope, pretty risky.
> Steve
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:bui4mn$ib5pg$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder and
> > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of the
> > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs out?
> Only
> > to put them in?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:400C9298.A9E521E0@***.net...
> > > Are you using air to hold the valve? I use a regular socket and
pop
> > > it with a mallet, the keepers usually just bounce out.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have the
> > spring
> > > > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so I can
> get
> > the
> > > > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of
needle
> > nose
> > > > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> >
> >
>
>
Thanks,
Bill
"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:xN0Pb.178859$X%5.91011@pd7tw2no...
> Yes you use the spring compressor. If the valve stem is dropping with the
> spring as you compress it your rope is not holding the valve up. When the
> valve is properly held tight against it's seat and you compress the spring
> the bottom of the spring will lift off the head because the retainer is
> stuck to the keepers. With the spring compressed and valve held firmly up
> lightly tap the retainer with a hammer. I wouldn't be very comfortable
coing
> this with a rope, pretty risky.
> Steve
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:bui4mn$ib5pg$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder and
> > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of the
> > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs out?
> Only
> > to put them in?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:400C9298.A9E521E0@***.net...
> > > Are you using air to hold the valve? I use a regular socket and
pop
> > > it with a mallet, the keepers usually just bounce out.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have the
> > spring
> > > > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so I can
> get
> > the
> > > > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of
needle
> > nose
> > > > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> >
> >
>
>
#23
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Re: Get the keepers off the valve stem
You can kind of kill two birds with one stone if you plan on doing more
engine diagnosis in the future. You can just build a cylinder leakdown
tester similar to what's on this page:
http://www.xs11.com/tips/misc/misc3.shtml
You can use that to hold the valves in place. Just crank the regulator wide
open. If you don't need this, you can use the tip on that page for an
adapter. Just a gutted spark plug with a hose CRIMPED on to it. I wouldn't
use hose clamps for this, but that's up to you. Otherwise, you can go to an
auto parts store and get a short hose that has the correct ends on it
already, similar to this:
http://www.globaltoolsupply.com/cgi-...html?E+scstore
This will adapt a standard pipe thread on the air hose to the spark plug
thread.
Chris
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:bui5th$hv9cu$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Looks to me like the seals are holding position on the valve stem, not
> remaining down against the head.
>
> I'm using nylon rope which is less prone to knot (I hope, I hope, I hope).
>
> Thank you for the good luck wish. Later, when I can invest in an air
> compressor I can do it more safely.
>
> I wonder what they cost to rent.
>
> Bill
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:400C9922.359BFF5@***.net...
> > Hi Bill,
> > Yup, that's the way I do it.
> > I believe by time I got enough rope inside the camber to jam valve,
> > it'd coil and knot. Good luck. How are the seals are they hard and
> > sliding of the stem?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder
and
> > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of
the
> > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs out?
> Only
> > > to put them in?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill
>
>
engine diagnosis in the future. You can just build a cylinder leakdown
tester similar to what's on this page:
http://www.xs11.com/tips/misc/misc3.shtml
You can use that to hold the valves in place. Just crank the regulator wide
open. If you don't need this, you can use the tip on that page for an
adapter. Just a gutted spark plug with a hose CRIMPED on to it. I wouldn't
use hose clamps for this, but that's up to you. Otherwise, you can go to an
auto parts store and get a short hose that has the correct ends on it
already, similar to this:
http://www.globaltoolsupply.com/cgi-...html?E+scstore
This will adapt a standard pipe thread on the air hose to the spark plug
thread.
Chris
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:bui5th$hv9cu$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Looks to me like the seals are holding position on the valve stem, not
> remaining down against the head.
>
> I'm using nylon rope which is less prone to knot (I hope, I hope, I hope).
>
> Thank you for the good luck wish. Later, when I can invest in an air
> compressor I can do it more safely.
>
> I wonder what they cost to rent.
>
> Bill
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:400C9922.359BFF5@***.net...
> > Hi Bill,
> > Yup, that's the way I do it.
> > I believe by time I got enough rope inside the camber to jam valve,
> > it'd coil and knot. Good luck. How are the seals are they hard and
> > sliding of the stem?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder
and
> > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of
the
> > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs out?
> Only
> > > to put them in?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill
>
>
#24
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Posts: n/a
Re: Get the keepers off the valve stem
You can kind of kill two birds with one stone if you plan on doing more
engine diagnosis in the future. You can just build a cylinder leakdown
tester similar to what's on this page:
http://www.xs11.com/tips/misc/misc3.shtml
You can use that to hold the valves in place. Just crank the regulator wide
open. If you don't need this, you can use the tip on that page for an
adapter. Just a gutted spark plug with a hose CRIMPED on to it. I wouldn't
use hose clamps for this, but that's up to you. Otherwise, you can go to an
auto parts store and get a short hose that has the correct ends on it
already, similar to this:
http://www.globaltoolsupply.com/cgi-...html?E+scstore
This will adapt a standard pipe thread on the air hose to the spark plug
thread.
Chris
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:bui5th$hv9cu$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Looks to me like the seals are holding position on the valve stem, not
> remaining down against the head.
>
> I'm using nylon rope which is less prone to knot (I hope, I hope, I hope).
>
> Thank you for the good luck wish. Later, when I can invest in an air
> compressor I can do it more safely.
>
> I wonder what they cost to rent.
>
> Bill
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:400C9922.359BFF5@***.net...
> > Hi Bill,
> > Yup, that's the way I do it.
> > I believe by time I got enough rope inside the camber to jam valve,
> > it'd coil and knot. Good luck. How are the seals are they hard and
> > sliding of the stem?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder
and
> > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of
the
> > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs out?
> Only
> > > to put them in?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill
>
>
engine diagnosis in the future. You can just build a cylinder leakdown
tester similar to what's on this page:
http://www.xs11.com/tips/misc/misc3.shtml
You can use that to hold the valves in place. Just crank the regulator wide
open. If you don't need this, you can use the tip on that page for an
adapter. Just a gutted spark plug with a hose CRIMPED on to it. I wouldn't
use hose clamps for this, but that's up to you. Otherwise, you can go to an
auto parts store and get a short hose that has the correct ends on it
already, similar to this:
http://www.globaltoolsupply.com/cgi-...html?E+scstore
This will adapt a standard pipe thread on the air hose to the spark plug
thread.
Chris
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:bui5th$hv9cu$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Looks to me like the seals are holding position on the valve stem, not
> remaining down against the head.
>
> I'm using nylon rope which is less prone to knot (I hope, I hope, I hope).
>
> Thank you for the good luck wish. Later, when I can invest in an air
> compressor I can do it more safely.
>
> I wonder what they cost to rent.
>
> Bill
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:400C9922.359BFF5@***.net...
> > Hi Bill,
> > Yup, that's the way I do it.
> > I believe by time I got enough rope inside the camber to jam valve,
> > it'd coil and knot. Good luck. How are the seals are they hard and
> > sliding of the stem?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder
and
> > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of
the
> > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs out?
> Only
> > > to put them in?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill
>
>
#25
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Get the keepers off the valve stem
You can kind of kill two birds with one stone if you plan on doing more
engine diagnosis in the future. You can just build a cylinder leakdown
tester similar to what's on this page:
http://www.xs11.com/tips/misc/misc3.shtml
You can use that to hold the valves in place. Just crank the regulator wide
open. If you don't need this, you can use the tip on that page for an
adapter. Just a gutted spark plug with a hose CRIMPED on to it. I wouldn't
use hose clamps for this, but that's up to you. Otherwise, you can go to an
auto parts store and get a short hose that has the correct ends on it
already, similar to this:
http://www.globaltoolsupply.com/cgi-...html?E+scstore
This will adapt a standard pipe thread on the air hose to the spark plug
thread.
Chris
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:bui5th$hv9cu$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Looks to me like the seals are holding position on the valve stem, not
> remaining down against the head.
>
> I'm using nylon rope which is less prone to knot (I hope, I hope, I hope).
>
> Thank you for the good luck wish. Later, when I can invest in an air
> compressor I can do it more safely.
>
> I wonder what they cost to rent.
>
> Bill
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:400C9922.359BFF5@***.net...
> > Hi Bill,
> > Yup, that's the way I do it.
> > I believe by time I got enough rope inside the camber to jam valve,
> > it'd coil and knot. Good luck. How are the seals are they hard and
> > sliding of the stem?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder
and
> > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of
the
> > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs out?
> Only
> > > to put them in?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill
>
>
engine diagnosis in the future. You can just build a cylinder leakdown
tester similar to what's on this page:
http://www.xs11.com/tips/misc/misc3.shtml
You can use that to hold the valves in place. Just crank the regulator wide
open. If you don't need this, you can use the tip on that page for an
adapter. Just a gutted spark plug with a hose CRIMPED on to it. I wouldn't
use hose clamps for this, but that's up to you. Otherwise, you can go to an
auto parts store and get a short hose that has the correct ends on it
already, similar to this:
http://www.globaltoolsupply.com/cgi-...html?E+scstore
This will adapt a standard pipe thread on the air hose to the spark plug
thread.
Chris
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:bui5th$hv9cu$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Looks to me like the seals are holding position on the valve stem, not
> remaining down against the head.
>
> I'm using nylon rope which is less prone to knot (I hope, I hope, I hope).
>
> Thank you for the good luck wish. Later, when I can invest in an air
> compressor I can do it more safely.
>
> I wonder what they cost to rent.
>
> Bill
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:400C9922.359BFF5@***.net...
> > Hi Bill,
> > Yup, that's the way I do it.
> > I believe by time I got enough rope inside the camber to jam valve,
> > it'd coil and knot. Good luck. How are the seals are they hard and
> > sliding of the stem?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder
and
> > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of
the
> > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs out?
> Only
> > > to put them in?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill
>
>
#26
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Get the keepers off the valve stem
Usually you can use the hose from your compression tester and some brass
fittings and adapt it to an air hose coupling. I've also known guys to make
them from old sparkplugs. Break out the porcelain innards and weld a piece
of theaded pipe onto the plug casing. But if a compressors not in the shop
I'd bet the welder isn't either. I guess the gamble is whether the cost of
head gasket and intake gaskets and value of your labor to r & R the head if
you drop a valve is still less than the cost of renting a compressor and
couping to do it. You don't need a very large compressor. I don't like
stuffing tthings in the cyl. Possible to get a piece of the rope under the
valve, knock a piece of carbon off and lodge it somewhere, maybe even bend a
valve if the rope was under the valve head and you turned it over. It could
conceivably hold it open and the piston hit it when you rolled up to TDC.
Maybe I'm just a worrier, but I think I'd rather r & r the head than stuff
things in the cyl. That old cast iron 6 is pretty easy to work on, leave
the intake and exhaust manifold attached to the head, just unhook the
exhaust pipe and the head can be removed with most still attached.
Steve
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:bui62a$hmm77$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> What type of interface would you use to add compressed air to the
cylinder?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
>
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> news:xN0Pb.178859$X%5.91011@pd7tw2no...
> > Yes you use the spring compressor. If the valve stem is dropping with
the
> > spring as you compress it your rope is not holding the valve up. When
the
> > valve is properly held tight against it's seat and you compress the
spring
> > the bottom of the spring will lift off the head because the retainer is
> > stuck to the keepers. With the spring compressed and valve held firmly
up
> > lightly tap the retainer with a hammer. I wouldn't be very comfortable
> coing
> > this with a rope, pretty risky.
> > Steve
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:bui4mn$ib5pg$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder
and
> > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of
the
> > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs out?
> > Only
> > > to put them in?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:400C9298.A9E521E0@***.net...
> > > > Are you using air to hold the valve? I use a regular socket and
> pop
> > > > it with a mallet, the keepers usually just bounce out.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have the
> > > spring
> > > > > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so I
can
> > get
> > > the
> > > > > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of
> needle
> > > nose
> > > > > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
fittings and adapt it to an air hose coupling. I've also known guys to make
them from old sparkplugs. Break out the porcelain innards and weld a piece
of theaded pipe onto the plug casing. But if a compressors not in the shop
I'd bet the welder isn't either. I guess the gamble is whether the cost of
head gasket and intake gaskets and value of your labor to r & R the head if
you drop a valve is still less than the cost of renting a compressor and
couping to do it. You don't need a very large compressor. I don't like
stuffing tthings in the cyl. Possible to get a piece of the rope under the
valve, knock a piece of carbon off and lodge it somewhere, maybe even bend a
valve if the rope was under the valve head and you turned it over. It could
conceivably hold it open and the piston hit it when you rolled up to TDC.
Maybe I'm just a worrier, but I think I'd rather r & r the head than stuff
things in the cyl. That old cast iron 6 is pretty easy to work on, leave
the intake and exhaust manifold attached to the head, just unhook the
exhaust pipe and the head can be removed with most still attached.
Steve
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:bui62a$hmm77$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> What type of interface would you use to add compressed air to the
cylinder?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
>
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> news:xN0Pb.178859$X%5.91011@pd7tw2no...
> > Yes you use the spring compressor. If the valve stem is dropping with
the
> > spring as you compress it your rope is not holding the valve up. When
the
> > valve is properly held tight against it's seat and you compress the
spring
> > the bottom of the spring will lift off the head because the retainer is
> > stuck to the keepers. With the spring compressed and valve held firmly
up
> > lightly tap the retainer with a hammer. I wouldn't be very comfortable
> coing
> > this with a rope, pretty risky.
> > Steve
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:bui4mn$ib5pg$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder
and
> > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of
the
> > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs out?
> > Only
> > > to put them in?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:400C9298.A9E521E0@***.net...
> > > > Are you using air to hold the valve? I use a regular socket and
> pop
> > > > it with a mallet, the keepers usually just bounce out.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have the
> > > spring
> > > > > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so I
can
> > get
> > > the
> > > > > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of
> needle
> > > nose
> > > > > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
#27
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Get the keepers off the valve stem
Usually you can use the hose from your compression tester and some brass
fittings and adapt it to an air hose coupling. I've also known guys to make
them from old sparkplugs. Break out the porcelain innards and weld a piece
of theaded pipe onto the plug casing. But if a compressors not in the shop
I'd bet the welder isn't either. I guess the gamble is whether the cost of
head gasket and intake gaskets and value of your labor to r & R the head if
you drop a valve is still less than the cost of renting a compressor and
couping to do it. You don't need a very large compressor. I don't like
stuffing tthings in the cyl. Possible to get a piece of the rope under the
valve, knock a piece of carbon off and lodge it somewhere, maybe even bend a
valve if the rope was under the valve head and you turned it over. It could
conceivably hold it open and the piston hit it when you rolled up to TDC.
Maybe I'm just a worrier, but I think I'd rather r & r the head than stuff
things in the cyl. That old cast iron 6 is pretty easy to work on, leave
the intake and exhaust manifold attached to the head, just unhook the
exhaust pipe and the head can be removed with most still attached.
Steve
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:bui62a$hmm77$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> What type of interface would you use to add compressed air to the
cylinder?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
>
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> news:xN0Pb.178859$X%5.91011@pd7tw2no...
> > Yes you use the spring compressor. If the valve stem is dropping with
the
> > spring as you compress it your rope is not holding the valve up. When
the
> > valve is properly held tight against it's seat and you compress the
spring
> > the bottom of the spring will lift off the head because the retainer is
> > stuck to the keepers. With the spring compressed and valve held firmly
up
> > lightly tap the retainer with a hammer. I wouldn't be very comfortable
> coing
> > this with a rope, pretty risky.
> > Steve
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:bui4mn$ib5pg$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder
and
> > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of
the
> > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs out?
> > Only
> > > to put them in?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:400C9298.A9E521E0@***.net...
> > > > Are you using air to hold the valve? I use a regular socket and
> pop
> > > > it with a mallet, the keepers usually just bounce out.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have the
> > > spring
> > > > > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so I
can
> > get
> > > the
> > > > > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of
> needle
> > > nose
> > > > > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
fittings and adapt it to an air hose coupling. I've also known guys to make
them from old sparkplugs. Break out the porcelain innards and weld a piece
of theaded pipe onto the plug casing. But if a compressors not in the shop
I'd bet the welder isn't either. I guess the gamble is whether the cost of
head gasket and intake gaskets and value of your labor to r & R the head if
you drop a valve is still less than the cost of renting a compressor and
couping to do it. You don't need a very large compressor. I don't like
stuffing tthings in the cyl. Possible to get a piece of the rope under the
valve, knock a piece of carbon off and lodge it somewhere, maybe even bend a
valve if the rope was under the valve head and you turned it over. It could
conceivably hold it open and the piston hit it when you rolled up to TDC.
Maybe I'm just a worrier, but I think I'd rather r & r the head than stuff
things in the cyl. That old cast iron 6 is pretty easy to work on, leave
the intake and exhaust manifold attached to the head, just unhook the
exhaust pipe and the head can be removed with most still attached.
Steve
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:bui62a$hmm77$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> What type of interface would you use to add compressed air to the
cylinder?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
>
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> news:xN0Pb.178859$X%5.91011@pd7tw2no...
> > Yes you use the spring compressor. If the valve stem is dropping with
the
> > spring as you compress it your rope is not holding the valve up. When
the
> > valve is properly held tight against it's seat and you compress the
spring
> > the bottom of the spring will lift off the head because the retainer is
> > stuck to the keepers. With the spring compressed and valve held firmly
up
> > lightly tap the retainer with a hammer. I wouldn't be very comfortable
> coing
> > this with a rope, pretty risky.
> > Steve
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:bui4mn$ib5pg$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder
and
> > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of
the
> > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs out?
> > Only
> > > to put them in?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:400C9298.A9E521E0@***.net...
> > > > Are you using air to hold the valve? I use a regular socket and
> pop
> > > > it with a mallet, the keepers usually just bounce out.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have the
> > > spring
> > > > > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so I
can
> > get
> > > the
> > > > > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of
> needle
> > > nose
> > > > > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Get the keepers off the valve stem
Usually you can use the hose from your compression tester and some brass
fittings and adapt it to an air hose coupling. I've also known guys to make
them from old sparkplugs. Break out the porcelain innards and weld a piece
of theaded pipe onto the plug casing. But if a compressors not in the shop
I'd bet the welder isn't either. I guess the gamble is whether the cost of
head gasket and intake gaskets and value of your labor to r & R the head if
you drop a valve is still less than the cost of renting a compressor and
couping to do it. You don't need a very large compressor. I don't like
stuffing tthings in the cyl. Possible to get a piece of the rope under the
valve, knock a piece of carbon off and lodge it somewhere, maybe even bend a
valve if the rope was under the valve head and you turned it over. It could
conceivably hold it open and the piston hit it when you rolled up to TDC.
Maybe I'm just a worrier, but I think I'd rather r & r the head than stuff
things in the cyl. That old cast iron 6 is pretty easy to work on, leave
the intake and exhaust manifold attached to the head, just unhook the
exhaust pipe and the head can be removed with most still attached.
Steve
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:bui62a$hmm77$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> What type of interface would you use to add compressed air to the
cylinder?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
>
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> news:xN0Pb.178859$X%5.91011@pd7tw2no...
> > Yes you use the spring compressor. If the valve stem is dropping with
the
> > spring as you compress it your rope is not holding the valve up. When
the
> > valve is properly held tight against it's seat and you compress the
spring
> > the bottom of the spring will lift off the head because the retainer is
> > stuck to the keepers. With the spring compressed and valve held firmly
up
> > lightly tap the retainer with a hammer. I wouldn't be very comfortable
> coing
> > this with a rope, pretty risky.
> > Steve
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:bui4mn$ib5pg$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder
and
> > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of
the
> > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs out?
> > Only
> > > to put them in?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:400C9298.A9E521E0@***.net...
> > > > Are you using air to hold the valve? I use a regular socket and
> pop
> > > > it with a mallet, the keepers usually just bounce out.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have the
> > > spring
> > > > > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so I
can
> > get
> > > the
> > > > > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of
> needle
> > > nose
> > > > > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
fittings and adapt it to an air hose coupling. I've also known guys to make
them from old sparkplugs. Break out the porcelain innards and weld a piece
of theaded pipe onto the plug casing. But if a compressors not in the shop
I'd bet the welder isn't either. I guess the gamble is whether the cost of
head gasket and intake gaskets and value of your labor to r & R the head if
you drop a valve is still less than the cost of renting a compressor and
couping to do it. You don't need a very large compressor. I don't like
stuffing tthings in the cyl. Possible to get a piece of the rope under the
valve, knock a piece of carbon off and lodge it somewhere, maybe even bend a
valve if the rope was under the valve head and you turned it over. It could
conceivably hold it open and the piston hit it when you rolled up to TDC.
Maybe I'm just a worrier, but I think I'd rather r & r the head than stuff
things in the cyl. That old cast iron 6 is pretty easy to work on, leave
the intake and exhaust manifold attached to the head, just unhook the
exhaust pipe and the head can be removed with most still attached.
Steve
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:bui62a$hmm77$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> What type of interface would you use to add compressed air to the
cylinder?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
>
> "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> news:xN0Pb.178859$X%5.91011@pd7tw2no...
> > Yes you use the spring compressor. If the valve stem is dropping with
the
> > spring as you compress it your rope is not holding the valve up. When
the
> > valve is properly held tight against it's seat and you compress the
spring
> > the bottom of the spring will lift off the head because the retainer is
> > stuck to the keepers. With the spring compressed and valve held firmly
up
> > lightly tap the retainer with a hammer. I wouldn't be very comfortable
> coing
> > this with a rope, pretty risky.
> > Steve
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:bui4mn$ib5pg$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder
and
> > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of
the
> > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs out?
> > Only
> > > to put them in?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:400C9298.A9E521E0@***.net...
> > > > Are you using air to hold the valve? I use a regular socket and
> pop
> > > > it with a mallet, the keepers usually just bounce out.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have the
> > > spring
> > > > > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so I
can
> > get
> > > the
> > > > > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of
> needle
> > > nose
> > > > > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
#29
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Get the keepers off the valve stem
Krap, that's a great idea. I have a compression tester I bought at the flea
market for a couple of bucks and the hose comes right off. I'll take that
and get a fitting for the compressor. I might be able to borrow one from my
maitanance dept at work.
Thanks for the great info.
Bill
"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:A93Pb.176816$JQ1.70090@pd7tw1no...
> Usually you can use the hose from your compression tester and some brass
> fittings and adapt it to an air hose coupling. I've also known guys to
make
> them from old sparkplugs. Break out the porcelain innards and weld a
piece
> of theaded pipe onto the plug casing. But if a compressors not in the shop
> I'd bet the welder isn't either. I guess the gamble is whether the cost
of
> head gasket and intake gaskets and value of your labor to r & R the head
if
> you drop a valve is still less than the cost of renting a compressor and
> couping to do it. You don't need a very large compressor. I don't like
> stuffing tthings in the cyl. Possible to get a piece of the rope under
the
> valve, knock a piece of carbon off and lodge it somewhere, maybe even bend
a
> valve if the rope was under the valve head and you turned it over. It
could
> conceivably hold it open and the piston hit it when you rolled up to TDC.
> Maybe I'm just a worrier, but I think I'd rather r & r the head than stuff
> things in the cyl. That old cast iron 6 is pretty easy to work on, leave
> the intake and exhaust manifold attached to the head, just unhook the
> exhaust pipe and the head can be removed with most still attached.
> Steve
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:bui62a$hmm77$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > What type of interface would you use to add compressed air to the
> cylinder?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> > news:xN0Pb.178859$X%5.91011@pd7tw2no...
> > > Yes you use the spring compressor. If the valve stem is dropping with
> the
> > > spring as you compress it your rope is not holding the valve up. When
> the
> > > valve is properly held tight against it's seat and you compress the
> spring
> > > the bottom of the spring will lift off the head because the retainer
is
> > > stuck to the keepers. With the spring compressed and valve held
firmly
> up
> > > lightly tap the retainer with a hammer. I wouldn't be very comfortable
> > coing
> > > this with a rope, pretty risky.
> > > Steve
> > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > > news:bui4mn$ib5pg$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder
> and
> > > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of
> the
> > > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs
out?
> > > Only
> > > > to put them in?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:400C9298.A9E521E0@***.net...
> > > > > Are you using air to hold the valve? I use a regular socket
and
> > pop
> > > > > it with a mallet, the keepers usually just bounce out.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have
the
> > > > spring
> > > > > > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so I
> can
> > > get
> > > > the
> > > > > > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of
> > needle
> > > > nose
> > > > > > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
market for a couple of bucks and the hose comes right off. I'll take that
and get a fitting for the compressor. I might be able to borrow one from my
maitanance dept at work.
Thanks for the great info.
Bill
"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:A93Pb.176816$JQ1.70090@pd7tw1no...
> Usually you can use the hose from your compression tester and some brass
> fittings and adapt it to an air hose coupling. I've also known guys to
make
> them from old sparkplugs. Break out the porcelain innards and weld a
piece
> of theaded pipe onto the plug casing. But if a compressors not in the shop
> I'd bet the welder isn't either. I guess the gamble is whether the cost
of
> head gasket and intake gaskets and value of your labor to r & R the head
if
> you drop a valve is still less than the cost of renting a compressor and
> couping to do it. You don't need a very large compressor. I don't like
> stuffing tthings in the cyl. Possible to get a piece of the rope under
the
> valve, knock a piece of carbon off and lodge it somewhere, maybe even bend
a
> valve if the rope was under the valve head and you turned it over. It
could
> conceivably hold it open and the piston hit it when you rolled up to TDC.
> Maybe I'm just a worrier, but I think I'd rather r & r the head than stuff
> things in the cyl. That old cast iron 6 is pretty easy to work on, leave
> the intake and exhaust manifold attached to the head, just unhook the
> exhaust pipe and the head can be removed with most still attached.
> Steve
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:bui62a$hmm77$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > What type of interface would you use to add compressed air to the
> cylinder?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> > news:xN0Pb.178859$X%5.91011@pd7tw2no...
> > > Yes you use the spring compressor. If the valve stem is dropping with
> the
> > > spring as you compress it your rope is not holding the valve up. When
> the
> > > valve is properly held tight against it's seat and you compress the
> spring
> > > the bottom of the spring will lift off the head because the retainer
is
> > > stuck to the keepers. With the spring compressed and valve held
firmly
> up
> > > lightly tap the retainer with a hammer. I wouldn't be very comfortable
> > coing
> > > this with a rope, pretty risky.
> > > Steve
> > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > > news:bui4mn$ib5pg$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder
> and
> > > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of
> the
> > > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs
out?
> > > Only
> > > > to put them in?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:400C9298.A9E521E0@***.net...
> > > > > Are you using air to hold the valve? I use a regular socket
and
> > pop
> > > > > it with a mallet, the keepers usually just bounce out.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have
the
> > > > spring
> > > > > > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so I
> can
> > > get
> > > > the
> > > > > > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of
> > needle
> > > > nose
> > > > > > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
#30
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Get the keepers off the valve stem
Krap, that's a great idea. I have a compression tester I bought at the flea
market for a couple of bucks and the hose comes right off. I'll take that
and get a fitting for the compressor. I might be able to borrow one from my
maitanance dept at work.
Thanks for the great info.
Bill
"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:A93Pb.176816$JQ1.70090@pd7tw1no...
> Usually you can use the hose from your compression tester and some brass
> fittings and adapt it to an air hose coupling. I've also known guys to
make
> them from old sparkplugs. Break out the porcelain innards and weld a
piece
> of theaded pipe onto the plug casing. But if a compressors not in the shop
> I'd bet the welder isn't either. I guess the gamble is whether the cost
of
> head gasket and intake gaskets and value of your labor to r & R the head
if
> you drop a valve is still less than the cost of renting a compressor and
> couping to do it. You don't need a very large compressor. I don't like
> stuffing tthings in the cyl. Possible to get a piece of the rope under
the
> valve, knock a piece of carbon off and lodge it somewhere, maybe even bend
a
> valve if the rope was under the valve head and you turned it over. It
could
> conceivably hold it open and the piston hit it when you rolled up to TDC.
> Maybe I'm just a worrier, but I think I'd rather r & r the head than stuff
> things in the cyl. That old cast iron 6 is pretty easy to work on, leave
> the intake and exhaust manifold attached to the head, just unhook the
> exhaust pipe and the head can be removed with most still attached.
> Steve
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:bui62a$hmm77$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > What type of interface would you use to add compressed air to the
> cylinder?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> > news:xN0Pb.178859$X%5.91011@pd7tw2no...
> > > Yes you use the spring compressor. If the valve stem is dropping with
> the
> > > spring as you compress it your rope is not holding the valve up. When
> the
> > > valve is properly held tight against it's seat and you compress the
> spring
> > > the bottom of the spring will lift off the head because the retainer
is
> > > stuck to the keepers. With the spring compressed and valve held
firmly
> up
> > > lightly tap the retainer with a hammer. I wouldn't be very comfortable
> > coing
> > > this with a rope, pretty risky.
> > > Steve
> > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > > news:bui4mn$ib5pg$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder
> and
> > > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of
> the
> > > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs
out?
> > > Only
> > > > to put them in?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:400C9298.A9E521E0@***.net...
> > > > > Are you using air to hold the valve? I use a regular socket
and
> > pop
> > > > > it with a mallet, the keepers usually just bounce out.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have
the
> > > > spring
> > > > > > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so I
> can
> > > get
> > > > the
> > > > > > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of
> > needle
> > > > nose
> > > > > > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
market for a couple of bucks and the hose comes right off. I'll take that
and get a fitting for the compressor. I might be able to borrow one from my
maitanance dept at work.
Thanks for the great info.
Bill
"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:A93Pb.176816$JQ1.70090@pd7tw1no...
> Usually you can use the hose from your compression tester and some brass
> fittings and adapt it to an air hose coupling. I've also known guys to
make
> them from old sparkplugs. Break out the porcelain innards and weld a
piece
> of theaded pipe onto the plug casing. But if a compressors not in the shop
> I'd bet the welder isn't either. I guess the gamble is whether the cost
of
> head gasket and intake gaskets and value of your labor to r & R the head
if
> you drop a valve is still less than the cost of renting a compressor and
> couping to do it. You don't need a very large compressor. I don't like
> stuffing tthings in the cyl. Possible to get a piece of the rope under
the
> valve, knock a piece of carbon off and lodge it somewhere, maybe even bend
a
> valve if the rope was under the valve head and you turned it over. It
could
> conceivably hold it open and the piston hit it when you rolled up to TDC.
> Maybe I'm just a worrier, but I think I'd rather r & r the head than stuff
> things in the cyl. That old cast iron 6 is pretty easy to work on, leave
> the intake and exhaust manifold attached to the head, just unhook the
> exhaust pipe and the head can be removed with most still attached.
> Steve
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:bui62a$hmm77$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > What type of interface would you use to add compressed air to the
> cylinder?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > "Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
> > news:xN0Pb.178859$X%5.91011@pd7tw2no...
> > > Yes you use the spring compressor. If the valve stem is dropping with
> the
> > > spring as you compress it your rope is not holding the valve up. When
> the
> > > valve is properly held tight against it's seat and you compress the
> spring
> > > the bottom of the spring will lift off the head because the retainer
is
> > > stuck to the keepers. With the spring compressed and valve held
firmly
> up
> > > lightly tap the retainer with a hammer. I wouldn't be very comfortable
> > coing
> > > this with a rope, pretty risky.
> > > Steve
> > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > > news:bui4mn$ib5pg$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > No, I don't have an air compressor. I pushed rope into the cylinder
> and
> > > > turned the crank to hold up the valve. You mean you pop the top of
> the
> > > > spring. So you don't use the spring compressor to get the keeprs
out?
> > > Only
> > > > to put them in?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:400C9298.A9E521E0@***.net...
> > > > > Are you using air to hold the valve? I use a regular socket
and
> > pop
> > > > > it with a mallet, the keepers usually just bounce out.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm changing out my valve stem seals on my 83 CJ7 258. I have
the
> > > > spring
> > > > > > compressed but I can't get the head of the valve to come up so I
> can
> > > get
> > > > the
> > > > > > keepers off. Seems stuck. I tried grabbing it with a pair of
> > needle
> > > > nose
> > > > > > but no luck. Anyone have an idea on what to do here?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>