Re: Re: General Jeep Questions
 

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 23:24:42 GMT, "griffin" <gryffy@WEEEEshaw.ca>
wrote:

>I think this is actually what is bugging me. Why is this the case? I just
>remember everyone telling me that my "little 4-banger" doesn't have the
>juice and I should sell it and invest in a 6. Is there a reason the 4's are
>so low on the resale market? I notice that most of the 4cyl are completely
>stock and often have the hardtop on in the summer so perhaps they are
>purchased by and stereotyped as "family Jeeps" for vacationing and just
>basically fun "soccer mom" vehicles.


Again the reason for this is that there is a LOT of guys out there
like Mike Romain that act like "experts" and know it all and tell you
to install lifts and big tires and keep stock gears and so what if you
loose 5th and need low range all the time. (hello, this is telling you
that you have a gear ratio problem) It is mentallity like this that
causes this hype about it being a bad motor because many think the
solution is a tune, bigger carb or custom exhaust and if that fails, a
bigger engine rather than realize that deeper gears will help a LOT
more overall. (not just a opinion but rather the physics of it all
too) I knew a guy that had a old YJ with a 4 banger and 35's and 5.13
gears in it and he beat the heck out of it off road and it held up and
surprized many as to what it would do and where it would go. He
finially killed the motor when he hydrolocked it and busted it when he
sunk it unexpectadly. BTW, it had over 150K on it too.

One day I may buy one more Jeep (I have owned over a dozen 4x4's in
over 35 years and four of them Jeeps) I what to find a old clean YJ
one of the last years built with a 4 banger that has not been lifted
and do a mild lift and runs maybe some 33's andwith some 4.88's or so
in it and just play around with it. It will not be a daily driver.
BTW, I have a old and now rare J20 Jeep truck that I have owned for
almost 22 years now that is still 100% stock and it is a beast. With
its 4.10 gears and 360 V8 with stock sized bias plied nasty traction
grip 10 ply tires, you rarely need low range for anything. This is the
way I like my 4x4 geared so low range is used when you need a slower
speed, not because you are so over geared that you cannot do much
without it off road.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

Re: General Jeep Questions
 

It's not a bad mill, but most TJ's end up with the six mainly because of the
"more is better" perception. There is almost no aftermarket support for the
4-banger, and there is little you could do to tweak it for more power.

For a trail vehicle or a build up basis, I think it would make a good choice
since it would be lighter and there tends to be fewer "bells and whistles"
on the SE models.

"griffin" <gryffy@WEEEEshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:_cFci.29833$NV3.23752@pd7urf2no...
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:_KidnQyd6d-
>> >> > 3. I bought one 4cyl 2.5L and everyone told me afterwards that it's
>> >> > a
>> >> > mistake to buy any 4cyl Jeeps. I've noticed anything with a 4 is
> pretty
>> >> > cheap compared to a 6 or 8.
>>
>> The 4cyl is cheap because they aren't in such demand as the 6.
>
> I think this is actually what is bugging me. Why is this the case? I just
> remember everyone telling me that my "little 4-banger" doesn't have the
> juice and I should sell it and invest in a 6. Is there a reason the 4's
> are
> so low on the resale market? I notice that most of the 4cyl are completely
> stock and often have the hardtop on in the summer so perhaps they are
> purchased by and stereotyped as "family Jeeps" for vacationing and just
> basically fun "soccer mom" vehicles.
>
>

Re: General Jeep Questions
 

It's not a bad mill, but most TJ's end up with the six mainly because of the
"more is better" perception. There is almost no aftermarket support for the
4-banger, and there is little you could do to tweak it for more power.

For a trail vehicle or a build up basis, I think it would make a good choice
since it would be lighter and there tends to be fewer "bells and whistles"
on the SE models.

"griffin" <gryffy@WEEEEshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:_cFci.29833$NV3.23752@pd7urf2no...
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:_KidnQyd6d-
>> >> > 3. I bought one 4cyl 2.5L and everyone told me afterwards that it's
>> >> > a
>> >> > mistake to buy any 4cyl Jeeps. I've noticed anything with a 4 is
> pretty
>> >> > cheap compared to a 6 or 8.
>>
>> The 4cyl is cheap because they aren't in such demand as the 6.
>
> I think this is actually what is bugging me. Why is this the case? I just
> remember everyone telling me that my "little 4-banger" doesn't have the
> juice and I should sell it and invest in a 6. Is there a reason the 4's
> are
> so low on the resale market? I notice that most of the 4cyl are completely
> stock and often have the hardtop on in the summer so perhaps they are
> purchased by and stereotyped as "family Jeeps" for vacationing and just
> basically fun "soccer mom" vehicles.
>
>

Re: General Jeep Questions
 

It's not a bad mill, but most TJ's end up with the six mainly because of the
"more is better" perception. There is almost no aftermarket support for the
4-banger, and there is little you could do to tweak it for more power.

For a trail vehicle or a build up basis, I think it would make a good choice
since it would be lighter and there tends to be fewer "bells and whistles"
on the SE models.

"griffin" <gryffy@WEEEEshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:_cFci.29833$NV3.23752@pd7urf2no...
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:_KidnQyd6d-
>> >> > 3. I bought one 4cyl 2.5L and everyone told me afterwards that it's
>> >> > a
>> >> > mistake to buy any 4cyl Jeeps. I've noticed anything with a 4 is
> pretty
>> >> > cheap compared to a 6 or 8.
>>
>> The 4cyl is cheap because they aren't in such demand as the 6.
>
> I think this is actually what is bugging me. Why is this the case? I just
> remember everyone telling me that my "little 4-banger" doesn't have the
> juice and I should sell it and invest in a 6. Is there a reason the 4's
> are
> so low on the resale market? I notice that most of the 4cyl are completely
> stock and often have the hardtop on in the summer so perhaps they are
> purchased by and stereotyped as "family Jeeps" for vacationing and just
> basically fun "soccer mom" vehicles.
>
>

Re: General Jeep Questions
 

It's not a bad mill, but most TJ's end up with the six mainly because of the
"more is better" perception. There is almost no aftermarket support for the
4-banger, and there is little you could do to tweak it for more power.

For a trail vehicle or a build up basis, I think it would make a good choice
since it would be lighter and there tends to be fewer "bells and whistles"
on the SE models.

"griffin" <gryffy@WEEEEshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:_cFci.29833$NV3.23752@pd7urf2no...
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:_KidnQyd6d-
>> >> > 3. I bought one 4cyl 2.5L and everyone told me afterwards that it's
>> >> > a
>> >> > mistake to buy any 4cyl Jeeps. I've noticed anything with a 4 is
> pretty
>> >> > cheap compared to a 6 or 8.
>>
>> The 4cyl is cheap because they aren't in such demand as the 6.
>
> I think this is actually what is bugging me. Why is this the case? I just
> remember everyone telling me that my "little 4-banger" doesn't have the
> juice and I should sell it and invest in a 6. Is there a reason the 4's
> are
> so low on the resale market? I notice that most of the 4cyl are completely
> stock and often have the hardtop on in the summer so perhaps they are
> purchased by and stereotyped as "family Jeeps" for vacationing and just
> basically fun "soccer mom" vehicles.
>
>

Re: Re: General Jeep Questions
 

Maybe, if you show us some pictures of your Jeep doing something, like
Mike's pictures at: http://----------.com/mikeRomain/ Or doing some climbs,
like mine: http://----------.com/68jeep.jpg or:
http://----------.com/jeep68sand.jpg or: http://----------.com/pismo.htm And
not an example of your poor workmanship, a YJ that doesn't even have an air
cleaner: http://----------.com/temp/bill_is_wrong.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:6db67393mqvr11e7m6c9inp6ubn6lgbmtu@4ax.com...
>
>
> Again the reason for this is that there is a LOT of guys out there
> like Mike Romain that act like "experts" and know it all and tell you
> to install lifts and big tires and keep stock gears and so what if you
> loose 5th and need low range all the time. (hello, this is telling you
> that you have a gear ratio problem) It is mentallity like this that
> causes this hype about it being a bad motor because many think the
> solution is a tune, bigger carb or custom exhaust and if that fails, a
> bigger engine rather than realize that deeper gears will help a LOT
> more overall. (not just a opinion but rather the physics of it all
> too) I knew a guy that had a old YJ with a 4 banger and 35's and 5.13
> gears in it and he beat the heck out of it off road and it held up and
> surprized many as to what it would do and where it would go. He
> finially killed the motor when he hydrolocked it and busted it when he
> sunk it unexpectadly. BTW, it had over 150K on it too.
>
> One day I may buy one more Jeep (I have owned over a dozen 4x4's in
> over 35 years and four of them Jeeps) I what to find a old clean YJ
> one of the last years built with a 4 banger that has not been lifted
> and do a mild lift and runs maybe some 33's andwith some 4.88's or so
> in it and just play around with it. It will not be a daily driver.
> BTW, I have a old and now rare J20 Jeep truck that I have owned for
> almost 22 years now that is still 100% stock and it is a beast. With
> its 4.10 gears and 360 V8 with stock sized bias plied nasty traction
> grip 10 ply tires, you rarely need low range for anything. This is the
> way I like my 4x4 geared so low range is used when you need a slower
> speed, not because you are so over geared that you cannot do much
> without it off road.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com



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Re: Re: General Jeep Questions
 

Maybe, if you show us some pictures of your Jeep doing something, like
Mike's pictures at: http://----------.com/mikeRomain/ Or doing some climbs,
like mine: http://----------.com/68jeep.jpg or:
http://----------.com/jeep68sand.jpg or: http://----------.com/pismo.htm And
not an example of your poor workmanship, a YJ that doesn't even have an air
cleaner: http://----------.com/temp/bill_is_wrong.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:6db67393mqvr11e7m6c9inp6ubn6lgbmtu@4ax.com...
>
>
> Again the reason for this is that there is a LOT of guys out there
> like Mike Romain that act like "experts" and know it all and tell you
> to install lifts and big tires and keep stock gears and so what if you
> loose 5th and need low range all the time. (hello, this is telling you
> that you have a gear ratio problem) It is mentallity like this that
> causes this hype about it being a bad motor because many think the
> solution is a tune, bigger carb or custom exhaust and if that fails, a
> bigger engine rather than realize that deeper gears will help a LOT
> more overall. (not just a opinion but rather the physics of it all
> too) I knew a guy that had a old YJ with a 4 banger and 35's and 5.13
> gears in it and he beat the heck out of it off road and it held up and
> surprized many as to what it would do and where it would go. He
> finially killed the motor when he hydrolocked it and busted it when he
> sunk it unexpectadly. BTW, it had over 150K on it too.
>
> One day I may buy one more Jeep (I have owned over a dozen 4x4's in
> over 35 years and four of them Jeeps) I what to find a old clean YJ
> one of the last years built with a 4 banger that has not been lifted
> and do a mild lift and runs maybe some 33's andwith some 4.88's or so
> in it and just play around with it. It will not be a daily driver.
> BTW, I have a old and now rare J20 Jeep truck that I have owned for
> almost 22 years now that is still 100% stock and it is a beast. With
> its 4.10 gears and 360 V8 with stock sized bias plied nasty traction
> grip 10 ply tires, you rarely need low range for anything. This is the
> way I like my 4x4 geared so low range is used when you need a slower
> speed, not because you are so over geared that you cannot do much
> without it off road.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com



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Re: Re: General Jeep Questions
 

Maybe, if you show us some pictures of your Jeep doing something, like
Mike's pictures at: http://----------.com/mikeRomain/ Or doing some climbs,
like mine: http://----------.com/68jeep.jpg or:
http://----------.com/jeep68sand.jpg or: http://----------.com/pismo.htm And
not an example of your poor workmanship, a YJ that doesn't even have an air
cleaner: http://----------.com/temp/bill_is_wrong.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:6db67393mqvr11e7m6c9inp6ubn6lgbmtu@4ax.com...
>
>
> Again the reason for this is that there is a LOT of guys out there
> like Mike Romain that act like "experts" and know it all and tell you
> to install lifts and big tires and keep stock gears and so what if you
> loose 5th and need low range all the time. (hello, this is telling you
> that you have a gear ratio problem) It is mentallity like this that
> causes this hype about it being a bad motor because many think the
> solution is a tune, bigger carb or custom exhaust and if that fails, a
> bigger engine rather than realize that deeper gears will help a LOT
> more overall. (not just a opinion but rather the physics of it all
> too) I knew a guy that had a old YJ with a 4 banger and 35's and 5.13
> gears in it and he beat the heck out of it off road and it held up and
> surprized many as to what it would do and where it would go. He
> finially killed the motor when he hydrolocked it and busted it when he
> sunk it unexpectadly. BTW, it had over 150K on it too.
>
> One day I may buy one more Jeep (I have owned over a dozen 4x4's in
> over 35 years and four of them Jeeps) I what to find a old clean YJ
> one of the last years built with a 4 banger that has not been lifted
> and do a mild lift and runs maybe some 33's andwith some 4.88's or so
> in it and just play around with it. It will not be a daily driver.
> BTW, I have a old and now rare J20 Jeep truck that I have owned for
> almost 22 years now that is still 100% stock and it is a beast. With
> its 4.10 gears and 360 V8 with stock sized bias plied nasty traction
> grip 10 ply tires, you rarely need low range for anything. This is the
> way I like my 4x4 geared so low range is used when you need a slower
> speed, not because you are so over geared that you cannot do much
> without it off road.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com



--
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Re: Re: General Jeep Questions
 

Maybe, if you show us some pictures of your Jeep doing something, like
Mike's pictures at: http://----------.com/mikeRomain/ Or doing some climbs,
like mine: http://----------.com/68jeep.jpg or:
http://----------.com/jeep68sand.jpg or: http://----------.com/pismo.htm And
not an example of your poor workmanship, a YJ that doesn't even have an air
cleaner: http://----------.com/temp/bill_is_wrong.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:6db67393mqvr11e7m6c9inp6ubn6lgbmtu@4ax.com...
>
>
> Again the reason for this is that there is a LOT of guys out there
> like Mike Romain that act like "experts" and know it all and tell you
> to install lifts and big tires and keep stock gears and so what if you
> loose 5th and need low range all the time. (hello, this is telling you
> that you have a gear ratio problem) It is mentallity like this that
> causes this hype about it being a bad motor because many think the
> solution is a tune, bigger carb or custom exhaust and if that fails, a
> bigger engine rather than realize that deeper gears will help a LOT
> more overall. (not just a opinion but rather the physics of it all
> too) I knew a guy that had a old YJ with a 4 banger and 35's and 5.13
> gears in it and he beat the heck out of it off road and it held up and
> surprized many as to what it would do and where it would go. He
> finially killed the motor when he hydrolocked it and busted it when he
> sunk it unexpectadly. BTW, it had over 150K on it too.
>
> One day I may buy one more Jeep (I have owned over a dozen 4x4's in
> over 35 years and four of them Jeeps) I what to find a old clean YJ
> one of the last years built with a 4 banger that has not been lifted
> and do a mild lift and runs maybe some 33's andwith some 4.88's or so
> in it and just play around with it. It will not be a daily driver.
> BTW, I have a old and now rare J20 Jeep truck that I have owned for
> almost 22 years now that is still 100% stock and it is a beast. With
> its 4.10 gears and 360 V8 with stock sized bias plied nasty traction
> grip 10 ply tires, you rarely need low range for anything. This is the
> way I like my 4x4 geared so low range is used when you need a slower
> speed, not because you are so over geared that you cannot do much
> without it off road.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com



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Re: Re: General Jeep Questions
 

Lies and more lies.

And you know nothing about jeeps.

Or much else, loser.


Hahahahahahaha!


> Again the reason for this is that there is a LOT of guys out there
> like Mike Romain that act like "experts" and know it all and tell you
> to install lifts and big tires and keep stock gears and so what if you
> loose 5th and need low range all the time. (hello, this is telling you
> that you have a gear ratio problem) It is mentallity like this that
> causes this hype about it being a bad motor because many think the
> solution is a tune, bigger carb or custom exhaust and if that fails, a
> bigger engine rather than realize that deeper gears will help a LOT
> more overall. (not just a opinion but rather the physics of it all
> too) I knew a guy that had a old YJ with a 4 banger and 35's and 5.13
> gears in it and he beat the heck out of it off road and it held up and
> surprized many as to what it would do and where it would go. He
> finially killed the motor when he hydrolocked it and busted it when he
> sunk it unexpectadly. BTW, it had over 150K on it too.
>
> One day I may buy one more Jeep (I have owned over a dozen 4x4's in
> over 35 years and four of them Jeeps) I what to find a old clean YJ
> one of the last years built with a 4 banger that has not been lifted
> and do a mild lift and runs maybe some 33's andwith some 4.88's or so
> in it and just play around with it. It will not be a daily driver.
> BTW, I have a old and now rare J20 Jeep truck that I have owned for
> almost 22 years now that is still 100% stock and it is a beast. With
> its 4.10 gears and 360 V8 with stock sized bias plied nasty traction
> grip 10 ply tires, you rarely need low range for anything. This is the
> way I like my 4x4 geared so low range is used when you need a slower
> speed, not because you are so over geared that you cannot do much
> without it off road.