Frank_v7.0

Earle Horton wrote:
> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> news:Nynfg.2661$Oh1.466@news01.roc.ny...
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>> Hmm, I put a Turbo City intake product, a cat-back exhaust system and
>>> some other goodies on my four cylinder Wrangler some years ago.
>>> I definitely noticed an increase in gas mileage, and now is a time to
>>> go for that, unless you are rich. :o(
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>>> news:NKmfg.2493$oa1.2321@news02.roc.ny...
>>>> Just bought a hi performance air intake system for my '04 TJ six. I
>>>> figured I'd mention it because it's not K&N or one of those other
>>>> aftermarket add ons. Made for Jeep labeled MoPar. My dealer says it
>>>> won't affect my warranty! I keep track of my gas mileage so I'll be
>>>> able to spot any improvement (or decrease). The slight power
>>>> increase claimed is pretty subjective and I have no way to really
>>>> test that. Got a "deal" on the instalation. I had it done in
> conjunction
>>>> with my 21K service. No charge for the 21K service. Every little
>>>> bit helps. :-)
>>>> --
>>>> FRH
>>>
>>>
>> Did it seem to be a little "stronger" as well as increasing the mileage?
>>
> Too close to call. The cat-back helped me keep track of when my daughter
> came home at night. The mileage increase was real and measurable. Maybe I
> felt a little "seat of the pants" power increase, maybe not. With the four
> cylinder, every horsepower helps. I wish I could tell you I was doing
> wheelies...
>
> Earle
>
>
>
LMAO!

--
FRH

Frank_v7.0

Earle Horton wrote:
> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> news:Nynfg.2661$Oh1.466@news01.roc.ny...
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>> Hmm, I put a Turbo City intake product, a cat-back exhaust system and
>>> some other goodies on my four cylinder Wrangler some years ago.
>>> I definitely noticed an increase in gas mileage, and now is a time to
>>> go for that, unless you are rich. :o(
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>>> news:NKmfg.2493$oa1.2321@news02.roc.ny...
>>>> Just bought a hi performance air intake system for my '04 TJ six. I
>>>> figured I'd mention it because it's not K&N or one of those other
>>>> aftermarket add ons. Made for Jeep labeled MoPar. My dealer says it
>>>> won't affect my warranty! I keep track of my gas mileage so I'll be
>>>> able to spot any improvement (or decrease). The slight power
>>>> increase claimed is pretty subjective and I have no way to really
>>>> test that. Got a "deal" on the instalation. I had it done in
> conjunction
>>>> with my 21K service. No charge for the 21K service. Every little
>>>> bit helps. :-)
>>>> --
>>>> FRH
>>>
>>>
>> Did it seem to be a little "stronger" as well as increasing the mileage?
>>
> Too close to call. The cat-back helped me keep track of when my daughter
> came home at night. The mileage increase was real and measurable. Maybe I
> felt a little "seat of the pants" power increase, maybe not. With the four
> cylinder, every horsepower helps. I wish I could tell you I was doing
> wheelies...
>
> Earle
>
>
>
LMAO!

--
FRH

Frank_v7.0

Earle Horton wrote:
> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> news:Nynfg.2661$Oh1.466@news01.roc.ny...
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>> Hmm, I put a Turbo City intake product, a cat-back exhaust system and
>>> some other goodies on my four cylinder Wrangler some years ago.
>>> I definitely noticed an increase in gas mileage, and now is a time to
>>> go for that, unless you are rich. :o(
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>>> news:NKmfg.2493$oa1.2321@news02.roc.ny...
>>>> Just bought a hi performance air intake system for my '04 TJ six. I
>>>> figured I'd mention it because it's not K&N or one of those other
>>>> aftermarket add ons. Made for Jeep labeled MoPar. My dealer says it
>>>> won't affect my warranty! I keep track of my gas mileage so I'll be
>>>> able to spot any improvement (or decrease). The slight power
>>>> increase claimed is pretty subjective and I have no way to really
>>>> test that. Got a "deal" on the instalation. I had it done in
> conjunction
>>>> with my 21K service. No charge for the 21K service. Every little
>>>> bit helps. :-)
>>>> --
>>>> FRH
>>>
>>>
>> Did it seem to be a little "stronger" as well as increasing the mileage?
>>
> Too close to call. The cat-back helped me keep track of when my daughter
> came home at night. The mileage increase was real and measurable. Maybe I
> felt a little "seat of the pants" power increase, maybe not. With the four
> cylinder, every horsepower helps. I wish I could tell you I was doing
> wheelies...
>
> Earle
>
>
>
LMAO!

--
FRH

Simon Juncal

Frank_v7.0 wrote:
> Just bought a hi performance air intake system for my '04 TJ six. I
> figured I'd mention it because it's not K&N or one of those other
> aftermarket add ons. Made for Jeep labeled MoPar. My dealer says it
> won't affect my warranty! I keep track of my gas mileage so I'll be able
> to spot any improvement (or decrease). The slight power increase claimed
> is pretty subjective and I have no way to really test that. Got a "deal"
> on the instalation. I had it done in conjunction with my 21K service. No
> charge for the 21K service. Every little bit helps. :-)

FWIW the stock air plumbing is a well known to be less than ideal for
power, this is true of almost ALL fuel injected vehicles intakes. The
reason being they are required to meet NOISE regulations and fuel
injection is NOISY stuff. so they are plumbed with more bends then
needed to bounce the sound waves off of accoustically absorbant rubber,
they are longer than needed to get more of the above. They are made out
of less than ideal rubber tubing; which doesn't ressonate but which is
prone to being sucked together thus constricting the flow; Into an "air
box" which holds a filter but also provides a muffler like noise
canceler, and a muffler like space for back pressure, into (finally)
another bit of tubing often called a "snorkle" which is usually even
softer rubber.

This is why there's such a big industry around Cold Air induction, which
throws that crap out in favor of less bends, metal pipes, and big air
filters without a box or snorkle.

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Simon Juncal

Frank_v7.0 wrote:
> Just bought a hi performance air intake system for my '04 TJ six. I
> figured I'd mention it because it's not K&N or one of those other
> aftermarket add ons. Made for Jeep labeled MoPar. My dealer says it
> won't affect my warranty! I keep track of my gas mileage so I'll be able
> to spot any improvement (or decrease). The slight power increase claimed
> is pretty subjective and I have no way to really test that. Got a "deal"
> on the instalation. I had it done in conjunction with my 21K service. No
> charge for the 21K service. Every little bit helps. :-)

FWIW the stock air plumbing is a well known to be less than ideal for
power, this is true of almost ALL fuel injected vehicles intakes. The
reason being they are required to meet NOISE regulations and fuel
injection is NOISY stuff. so they are plumbed with more bends then
needed to bounce the sound waves off of accoustically absorbant rubber,
they are longer than needed to get more of the above. They are made out
of less than ideal rubber tubing; which doesn't ressonate but which is
prone to being sucked together thus constricting the flow; Into an "air
box" which holds a filter but also provides a muffler like noise
canceler, and a muffler like space for back pressure, into (finally)
another bit of tubing often called a "snorkle" which is usually even
softer rubber.

This is why there's such a big industry around Cold Air induction, which
throws that crap out in favor of less bends, metal pipes, and big air
filters without a box or snorkle.

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Simon Juncal

Frank_v7.0 wrote:
> Just bought a hi performance air intake system for my '04 TJ six. I
> figured I'd mention it because it's not K&N or one of those other
> aftermarket add ons. Made for Jeep labeled MoPar. My dealer says it
> won't affect my warranty! I keep track of my gas mileage so I'll be able
> to spot any improvement (or decrease). The slight power increase claimed
> is pretty subjective and I have no way to really test that. Got a "deal"
> on the instalation. I had it done in conjunction with my 21K service. No
> charge for the 21K service. Every little bit helps. :-)

FWIW the stock air plumbing is a well known to be less than ideal for
power, this is true of almost ALL fuel injected vehicles intakes. The
reason being they are required to meet NOISE regulations and fuel
injection is NOISY stuff. so they are plumbed with more bends then
needed to bounce the sound waves off of accoustically absorbant rubber,
they are longer than needed to get more of the above. They are made out
of less than ideal rubber tubing; which doesn't ressonate but which is
prone to being sucked together thus constricting the flow; Into an "air
box" which holds a filter but also provides a muffler like noise
canceler, and a muffler like space for back pressure, into (finally)
another bit of tubing often called a "snorkle" which is usually even
softer rubber.

This is why there's such a big industry around Cold Air induction, which
throws that crap out in favor of less bends, metal pipes, and big air
filters without a box or snorkle.

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Frank_v7.0

Simon Juncal wrote:
> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>> Just bought a hi performance air intake system for my '04 TJ six. I
>> figured I'd mention it because it's not K&N or one of those other
>> aftermarket add ons. Made for Jeep labeled MoPar. My dealer says it
>> won't affect my warranty! I keep track of my gas mileage so I'll be
>> able to spot any improvement (or decrease). The slight power increase
>> claimed is pretty subjective and I have no way to really test that.
>> Got a "deal" on the instalation. I had it done in conjunction with my
>> 21K service. No charge for the 21K service. Every little bit helps. :-)
>
> FWIW the stock air plumbing is a well known to be less than ideal for
> power, this is true of almost ALL fuel injected vehicles intakes. The
> reason being they are required to meet NOISE regulations and fuel
> injection is NOISY stuff. so they are plumbed with more bends then
> needed to bounce the sound waves off of accoustically absorbant rubber,
> they are longer than needed to get more of the above. They are made out
> of less than ideal rubber tubing; which doesn't ressonate but which is
> prone to being sucked together thus constricting the flow; Into an "air
> box" which holds a filter but also provides a muffler like noise
> canceler, and a muffler like space for back pressure, into (finally)
> another bit of tubing often called a "snorkle" which is usually even
> softer rubber.
>
> This is why there's such a big industry around Cold Air induction, which
> throws that crap out in favor of less bends, metal pipes, and big air
> filters without a box or snorkle.
>
You called that right. I was looking at the parts taken off and lo and
behold snorkle, air box, etc. I don't detect any increased noise and a
hill that was a downshift from 5th to 4th is now 5th only. Mileage will
take a few more tanks to verify, but I know it didn't drop any. The
installation even looks good. Aluminum tube with a big blue "MoPar" on
it. Although "Jeep" would have been nice. :-)

--
FRH

Frank_v7.0

Simon Juncal wrote:
> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>> Just bought a hi performance air intake system for my '04 TJ six. I
>> figured I'd mention it because it's not K&N or one of those other
>> aftermarket add ons. Made for Jeep labeled MoPar. My dealer says it
>> won't affect my warranty! I keep track of my gas mileage so I'll be
>> able to spot any improvement (or decrease). The slight power increase
>> claimed is pretty subjective and I have no way to really test that.
>> Got a "deal" on the instalation. I had it done in conjunction with my
>> 21K service. No charge for the 21K service. Every little bit helps. :-)
>
> FWIW the stock air plumbing is a well known to be less than ideal for
> power, this is true of almost ALL fuel injected vehicles intakes. The
> reason being they are required to meet NOISE regulations and fuel
> injection is NOISY stuff. so they are plumbed with more bends then
> needed to bounce the sound waves off of accoustically absorbant rubber,
> they are longer than needed to get more of the above. They are made out
> of less than ideal rubber tubing; which doesn't ressonate but which is
> prone to being sucked together thus constricting the flow; Into an "air
> box" which holds a filter but also provides a muffler like noise
> canceler, and a muffler like space for back pressure, into (finally)
> another bit of tubing often called a "snorkle" which is usually even
> softer rubber.
>
> This is why there's such a big industry around Cold Air induction, which
> throws that crap out in favor of less bends, metal pipes, and big air
> filters without a box or snorkle.
>
You called that right. I was looking at the parts taken off and lo and
behold snorkle, air box, etc. I don't detect any increased noise and a
hill that was a downshift from 5th to 4th is now 5th only. Mileage will
take a few more tanks to verify, but I know it didn't drop any. The
installation even looks good. Aluminum tube with a big blue "MoPar" on
it. Although "Jeep" would have been nice. :-)

--
FRH

Frank_v7.0

Simon Juncal wrote:
> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>> Just bought a hi performance air intake system for my '04 TJ six. I
>> figured I'd mention it because it's not K&N or one of those other
>> aftermarket add ons. Made for Jeep labeled MoPar. My dealer says it
>> won't affect my warranty! I keep track of my gas mileage so I'll be
>> able to spot any improvement (or decrease). The slight power increase
>> claimed is pretty subjective and I have no way to really test that.
>> Got a "deal" on the instalation. I had it done in conjunction with my
>> 21K service. No charge for the 21K service. Every little bit helps. :-)
>
> FWIW the stock air plumbing is a well known to be less than ideal for
> power, this is true of almost ALL fuel injected vehicles intakes. The
> reason being they are required to meet NOISE regulations and fuel
> injection is NOISY stuff. so they are plumbed with more bends then
> needed to bounce the sound waves off of accoustically absorbant rubber,
> they are longer than needed to get more of the above. They are made out
> of less than ideal rubber tubing; which doesn't ressonate but which is
> prone to being sucked together thus constricting the flow; Into an "air
> box" which holds a filter but also provides a muffler like noise
> canceler, and a muffler like space for back pressure, into (finally)
> another bit of tubing often called a "snorkle" which is usually even
> softer rubber.
>
> This is why there's such a big industry around Cold Air induction, which
> throws that crap out in favor of less bends, metal pipes, and big air
> filters without a box or snorkle.
>
You called that right. I was looking at the parts taken off and lo and
behold snorkle, air box, etc. I don't detect any increased noise and a
hill that was a downshift from 5th to 4th is now 5th only. Mileage will
take a few more tanks to verify, but I know it didn't drop any. The
installation even looks good. Aluminum tube with a big blue "MoPar" on
it. Although "Jeep" would have been nice. :-)

--
FRH

Matt Macchiarolo

"Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in
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>
> FWIW the stock air plumbing is a well known to be less than ideal for
> power, this is true of almost ALL fuel injected vehicles intakes. The
> reason being they are required to meet NOISE regulations and fuel
> injection is NOISY stuff. so they are plumbed with more bends then needed
> to bounce the sound waves off of accoustically absorbant rubber, they are
> longer than needed to get more of the above. They are made out of less
> than ideal rubber tubing; which doesn't ressonate but which is prone to
> being sucked together thus constricting the flow; Into an "air box" which
> holds a filter but also provides a muffler like noise canceler, and a
> muffler like space for back pressure, into (finally) another bit of tubing
> often called a "snorkle" which is usually even softer rubber.

Funny, everything you mention isn't present on a TJ. The intake parts are
hard plastic that doesn't deform under vacuum, with a bellows molded in the
intake tube to keep engine vibs from transmitting to the body-mounted
airbox. The TJ intake is just as long as it needs to be to reach the airbox,
which is located in pretty much the only place it could be under the hood.
The air box/intake trumpet is designed to acts as more a water-entry
protection than a big muffler.
>
> This is why there's such a big industry around Cold Air induction, which
> throws that crap out in favor of less bends, metal pipes, and big air
> filters without a box or snorkle.
>
There's such a big industry because it looks cooler under the hood. If it
really increased mileage/power, don't you think the OEM's would be all over
it?