Full time 4wd or not?!?
12-07-2003, 09:17 PM
#81
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Re: Full time 4wd or not?!?
If you feel the steering wheel move during tight turns, then the tires are
trying to make the tcase do things it doesn't want to do because the front
tires and the rear tire do not turn at the same speed. The front tires
should not be sending feedback through the steering wheel, if they are then
something should be looked at. Me thinks you are having issues with the
viscous coupling, or the tcase linkage is picking the part time 4HI mode.
PS
You need to change a setting in your news reader. You are posting in HTML
much of the time, and HTML sucks.
"Eric" <gymrat@***.net> wrote in message
news:cHqAb.10496$LV1.1024@okepread05...
> The only time I noticed a difference was during slow, sharp turns on
> pavement. The difference is that I'm-in-4wd feeling when you turn. I
only
> recognize it because if I'm on the trail and take a sharp turn in the TJ
it
> does the same thing. The wheels... twitch.. for lack of a better way to
put
> it... once every rotation or two. Again, this is only in SHARP turns on
> pavement.
>
> Eric
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> news:0bqAb.27847$Bk1.15264@fed1read05...
> > "Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> > news:w0pAb.14$Qg6.43032@news.uswest.net... The all wheel drive mode
should
> > not
> > > result in a noticable grabbing on turns.
> >
> > The Cherokee's full-time system is not an AWD (a reactive 2wd system
that
> > engages the other axle when slippage is noted), it's a much simpler
purely
> > mechanical full-time 4wd system which is different from AWD. I don't
> recall
> > my long-gone Cherokee ever pulling when it was in full-time 4wd, perhaps
> > there's a bad u-joint on one of the front axleshafts.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> >
>
>
trying to make the tcase do things it doesn't want to do because the front
tires and the rear tire do not turn at the same speed. The front tires
should not be sending feedback through the steering wheel, if they are then
something should be looked at. Me thinks you are having issues with the
viscous coupling, or the tcase linkage is picking the part time 4HI mode.
PS
You need to change a setting in your news reader. You are posting in HTML
much of the time, and HTML sucks.
"Eric" <gymrat@***.net> wrote in message
news:cHqAb.10496$LV1.1024@okepread05...
> The only time I noticed a difference was during slow, sharp turns on
> pavement. The difference is that I'm-in-4wd feeling when you turn. I
only
> recognize it because if I'm on the trail and take a sharp turn in the TJ
it
> does the same thing. The wheels... twitch.. for lack of a better way to
put
> it... once every rotation or two. Again, this is only in SHARP turns on
> pavement.
>
> Eric
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> news:0bqAb.27847$Bk1.15264@fed1read05...
> > "Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> > news:w0pAb.14$Qg6.43032@news.uswest.net... The all wheel drive mode
should
> > not
> > > result in a noticable grabbing on turns.
> >
> > The Cherokee's full-time system is not an AWD (a reactive 2wd system
that
> > engages the other axle when slippage is noted), it's a much simpler
purely
> > mechanical full-time 4wd system which is different from AWD. I don't
> recall
> > my long-gone Cherokee ever pulling when it was in full-time 4wd, perhaps
> > there's a bad u-joint on one of the front axleshafts.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> >
>
>
12-07-2003, 09:17 PM
#82
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Posts: n/a
Re: Full time 4wd or not?!?
If you feel the steering wheel move during tight turns, then the tires are
trying to make the tcase do things it doesn't want to do because the front
tires and the rear tire do not turn at the same speed. The front tires
should not be sending feedback through the steering wheel, if they are then
something should be looked at. Me thinks you are having issues with the
viscous coupling, or the tcase linkage is picking the part time 4HI mode.
PS
You need to change a setting in your news reader. You are posting in HTML
much of the time, and HTML sucks.
"Eric" <gymrat@***.net> wrote in message
news:cHqAb.10496$LV1.1024@okepread05...
> The only time I noticed a difference was during slow, sharp turns on
> pavement. The difference is that I'm-in-4wd feeling when you turn. I
only
> recognize it because if I'm on the trail and take a sharp turn in the TJ
it
> does the same thing. The wheels... twitch.. for lack of a better way to
put
> it... once every rotation or two. Again, this is only in SHARP turns on
> pavement.
>
> Eric
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> news:0bqAb.27847$Bk1.15264@fed1read05...
> > "Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> > news:w0pAb.14$Qg6.43032@news.uswest.net... The all wheel drive mode
should
> > not
> > > result in a noticable grabbing on turns.
> >
> > The Cherokee's full-time system is not an AWD (a reactive 2wd system
that
> > engages the other axle when slippage is noted), it's a much simpler
purely
> > mechanical full-time 4wd system which is different from AWD. I don't
> recall
> > my long-gone Cherokee ever pulling when it was in full-time 4wd, perhaps
> > there's a bad u-joint on one of the front axleshafts.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> >
>
>
trying to make the tcase do things it doesn't want to do because the front
tires and the rear tire do not turn at the same speed. The front tires
should not be sending feedback through the steering wheel, if they are then
something should be looked at. Me thinks you are having issues with the
viscous coupling, or the tcase linkage is picking the part time 4HI mode.
PS
You need to change a setting in your news reader. You are posting in HTML
much of the time, and HTML sucks.
"Eric" <gymrat@***.net> wrote in message
news:cHqAb.10496$LV1.1024@okepread05...
> The only time I noticed a difference was during slow, sharp turns on
> pavement. The difference is that I'm-in-4wd feeling when you turn. I
only
> recognize it because if I'm on the trail and take a sharp turn in the TJ
it
> does the same thing. The wheels... twitch.. for lack of a better way to
put
> it... once every rotation or two. Again, this is only in SHARP turns on
> pavement.
>
> Eric
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> news:0bqAb.27847$Bk1.15264@fed1read05...
> > "Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> > news:w0pAb.14$Qg6.43032@news.uswest.net... The all wheel drive mode
should
> > not
> > > result in a noticable grabbing on turns.
> >
> > The Cherokee's full-time system is not an AWD (a reactive 2wd system
that
> > engages the other axle when slippage is noted), it's a much simpler
purely
> > mechanical full-time 4wd system which is different from AWD. I don't
> recall
> > my long-gone Cherokee ever pulling when it was in full-time 4wd, perhaps
> > there's a bad u-joint on one of the front axleshafts.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> >
>
>
12-07-2003, 09:23 PM
#83
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Re: Full time 4wd or not?!?
"Valued User" <valued@user.com> wrote in message
news:jRrAb.99999$do1.48244@twister.austin.rr.com.. .
> Full time doesn't lock the inside and outside tires (as much). I've had
mine
> 96 xj in full time 4wd for most of its 140,000 miles so far.. I think the
> only time it goes in 2wd is when i drove it off the lot, when i take it
in
> for an oil change - those mechanics love to put it in 2wd, and when its in
> part time 4wd on the sand...
>
Not an entirely accurate description.
The differentials allow for different speeds from right to left. The Tcase
can, in the full time mode, provide for different speeds from front to rear,
or in the part time mode it can be locked so the front and rear turn at the
same speed.
While turning corners, the front and rear tires will turn at different
speeds, and the tcase can tolerate this in the full time mode, but not in
the part time mode. In full time, there is an added coupling in the drive
line that lets the front and rear turn at different speeds, in part time,
this coupling is locked and the front and rear must turn at the same speed.
Think of a Part Time tcase as a Full Time tcase with an ARB Locker inside.
It isn't really like this, but it behaves as though it were.
> "Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> news:w0pAb.14$Qg6.43032@news.uswest.net...
> > Jerry is correct but I think I might investigate if the thing
> > might actually be in 4wh-hi instead of the all wheel mode. My
> > (other brand) has an eletric motor to select the mode, it has
> > been known to not grab the right mode on occasion. (usually in
> > the cold wet slush weather) The all wheel drive mode should not
> > result in a noticable grabbing on turns.
> >
> > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >
> > > Full-time on your Cherokee means just that, full-time... both axles
are
> > > engaged all the time when you're in any of the 4x4 settings. Yes, the
> > > full-time position is the correct one to use on the roads and its use
> will
> > > not damage the transfer case, that's what it was designed to do.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > > "Eric" <gymrat@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:5mmAb.10470$LV1.7309@okepread05...
> > >
> > >>My wife has a 00 XJ with the transfer case that allows you to use 4hi,
> > >
> > > 4lo,
> > >
> > >>and "full time" 4wd for "all road surfaces". Or so it says. We've
been
> > >>getting a bit of snow/freezing rain lately, so I put it in full-time
4wd
> > >>just in case we hit some slick spots running around town.
> > >>
> > >>Going around corners I can tell it is in 4wd. The tires pull back and
> > >
> > > forth
> > >
> > >>on the pavement. I thought that the full-time selection only engaged
> the
> > >>front axle when they were slipping. The manual says full-time can be
> used
> > >>on all road surfaces all the time, but wouldn't this damage my
transfer
> > >>case?!?
> > >>
> > >>Thanks!
> > >>
> > >>Eric
> > >>00 XJ LTD
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
12-07-2003, 09:23 PM
#84
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Re: Full time 4wd or not?!?
"Valued User" <valued@user.com> wrote in message
news:jRrAb.99999$do1.48244@twister.austin.rr.com.. .
> Full time doesn't lock the inside and outside tires (as much). I've had
mine
> 96 xj in full time 4wd for most of its 140,000 miles so far.. I think the
> only time it goes in 2wd is when i drove it off the lot, when i take it
in
> for an oil change - those mechanics love to put it in 2wd, and when its in
> part time 4wd on the sand...
>
Not an entirely accurate description.
The differentials allow for different speeds from right to left. The Tcase
can, in the full time mode, provide for different speeds from front to rear,
or in the part time mode it can be locked so the front and rear turn at the
same speed.
While turning corners, the front and rear tires will turn at different
speeds, and the tcase can tolerate this in the full time mode, but not in
the part time mode. In full time, there is an added coupling in the drive
line that lets the front and rear turn at different speeds, in part time,
this coupling is locked and the front and rear must turn at the same speed.
Think of a Part Time tcase as a Full Time tcase with an ARB Locker inside.
It isn't really like this, but it behaves as though it were.
> "Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> news:w0pAb.14$Qg6.43032@news.uswest.net...
> > Jerry is correct but I think I might investigate if the thing
> > might actually be in 4wh-hi instead of the all wheel mode. My
> > (other brand) has an eletric motor to select the mode, it has
> > been known to not grab the right mode on occasion. (usually in
> > the cold wet slush weather) The all wheel drive mode should not
> > result in a noticable grabbing on turns.
> >
> > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >
> > > Full-time on your Cherokee means just that, full-time... both axles
are
> > > engaged all the time when you're in any of the 4x4 settings. Yes, the
> > > full-time position is the correct one to use on the roads and its use
> will
> > > not damage the transfer case, that's what it was designed to do.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > > "Eric" <gymrat@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:5mmAb.10470$LV1.7309@okepread05...
> > >
> > >>My wife has a 00 XJ with the transfer case that allows you to use 4hi,
> > >
> > > 4lo,
> > >
> > >>and "full time" 4wd for "all road surfaces". Or so it says. We've
been
> > >>getting a bit of snow/freezing rain lately, so I put it in full-time
4wd
> > >>just in case we hit some slick spots running around town.
> > >>
> > >>Going around corners I can tell it is in 4wd. The tires pull back and
> > >
> > > forth
> > >
> > >>on the pavement. I thought that the full-time selection only engaged
> the
> > >>front axle when they were slipping. The manual says full-time can be
> used
> > >>on all road surfaces all the time, but wouldn't this damage my
transfer
> > >>case?!?
> > >>
> > >>Thanks!
> > >>
> > >>Eric
> > >>00 XJ LTD
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
12-07-2003, 09:23 PM
#85
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Re: Full time 4wd or not?!?
"Valued User" <valued@user.com> wrote in message
news:jRrAb.99999$do1.48244@twister.austin.rr.com.. .
> Full time doesn't lock the inside and outside tires (as much). I've had
mine
> 96 xj in full time 4wd for most of its 140,000 miles so far.. I think the
> only time it goes in 2wd is when i drove it off the lot, when i take it
in
> for an oil change - those mechanics love to put it in 2wd, and when its in
> part time 4wd on the sand...
>
Not an entirely accurate description.
The differentials allow for different speeds from right to left. The Tcase
can, in the full time mode, provide for different speeds from front to rear,
or in the part time mode it can be locked so the front and rear turn at the
same speed.
While turning corners, the front and rear tires will turn at different
speeds, and the tcase can tolerate this in the full time mode, but not in
the part time mode. In full time, there is an added coupling in the drive
line that lets the front and rear turn at different speeds, in part time,
this coupling is locked and the front and rear must turn at the same speed.
Think of a Part Time tcase as a Full Time tcase with an ARB Locker inside.
It isn't really like this, but it behaves as though it were.
> "Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> news:w0pAb.14$Qg6.43032@news.uswest.net...
> > Jerry is correct but I think I might investigate if the thing
> > might actually be in 4wh-hi instead of the all wheel mode. My
> > (other brand) has an eletric motor to select the mode, it has
> > been known to not grab the right mode on occasion. (usually in
> > the cold wet slush weather) The all wheel drive mode should not
> > result in a noticable grabbing on turns.
> >
> > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >
> > > Full-time on your Cherokee means just that, full-time... both axles
are
> > > engaged all the time when you're in any of the 4x4 settings. Yes, the
> > > full-time position is the correct one to use on the roads and its use
> will
> > > not damage the transfer case, that's what it was designed to do.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > > "Eric" <gymrat@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:5mmAb.10470$LV1.7309@okepread05...
> > >
> > >>My wife has a 00 XJ with the transfer case that allows you to use 4hi,
> > >
> > > 4lo,
> > >
> > >>and "full time" 4wd for "all road surfaces". Or so it says. We've
been
> > >>getting a bit of snow/freezing rain lately, so I put it in full-time
4wd
> > >>just in case we hit some slick spots running around town.
> > >>
> > >>Going around corners I can tell it is in 4wd. The tires pull back and
> > >
> > > forth
> > >
> > >>on the pavement. I thought that the full-time selection only engaged
> the
> > >>front axle when they were slipping. The manual says full-time can be
> used
> > >>on all road surfaces all the time, but wouldn't this damage my
transfer
> > >>case?!?
> > >>
> > >>Thanks!
> > >>
> > >>Eric
> > >>00 XJ LTD
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
12-07-2003, 10:23 PM
#86
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Re: Full time 4wd or not?!?
That's strange. My setting for news posts says plain text. Just checked it
to make sure. (Even under the format tab of this message it says plain text)
Eric
"CRWLR" <CRWLRJEFF@YAHOO.COM> wrote in message
news:vt7nq25fni6a05@corp.supernews.com...
> If you feel the steering wheel move during tight turns, then the tires are
> trying to make the tcase do things it doesn't want to do because the front
> tires and the rear tire do not turn at the same speed. The front tires
> should not be sending feedback through the steering wheel, if they are
then
> something should be looked at. Me thinks you are having issues with the
> viscous coupling, or the tcase linkage is picking the part time 4HI mode.
>
> PS
> You need to change a setting in your news reader. You are posting in HTML
> much of the time, and HTML sucks.
>
>
>
>
> "Eric" <gymrat@***.net> wrote in message
> news:cHqAb.10496$LV1.1024@okepread05...
> > The only time I noticed a difference was during slow, sharp turns on
> > pavement. The difference is that I'm-in-4wd feeling when you turn. I
> only
> > recognize it because if I'm on the trail and take a sharp turn in the TJ
> it
> > does the same thing. The wheels... twitch.. for lack of a better way to
> put
> > it... once every rotation or two. Again, this is only in SHARP turns on
> > pavement.
> >
> > Eric
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> > news:0bqAb.27847$Bk1.15264@fed1read05...
> > > "Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> > > news:w0pAb.14$Qg6.43032@news.uswest.net... The all wheel drive mode
> should
> > > not
> > > > result in a noticable grabbing on turns.
> > >
> > > The Cherokee's full-time system is not an AWD (a reactive 2wd system
> that
> > > engages the other axle when slippage is noted), it's a much simpler
> purely
> > > mechanical full-time 4wd system which is different from AWD. I don't
> > recall
> > > my long-gone Cherokee ever pulling when it was in full-time 4wd,
perhaps
> > > there's a bad u-joint on one of the front axleshafts.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
to make sure. (Even under the format tab of this message it says plain text)
Eric
"CRWLR" <CRWLRJEFF@YAHOO.COM> wrote in message
news:vt7nq25fni6a05@corp.supernews.com...
> If you feel the steering wheel move during tight turns, then the tires are
> trying to make the tcase do things it doesn't want to do because the front
> tires and the rear tire do not turn at the same speed. The front tires
> should not be sending feedback through the steering wheel, if they are
then
> something should be looked at. Me thinks you are having issues with the
> viscous coupling, or the tcase linkage is picking the part time 4HI mode.
>
> PS
> You need to change a setting in your news reader. You are posting in HTML
> much of the time, and HTML sucks.
>
>
>
>
> "Eric" <gymrat@***.net> wrote in message
> news:cHqAb.10496$LV1.1024@okepread05...
> > The only time I noticed a difference was during slow, sharp turns on
> > pavement. The difference is that I'm-in-4wd feeling when you turn. I
> only
> > recognize it because if I'm on the trail and take a sharp turn in the TJ
> it
> > does the same thing. The wheels... twitch.. for lack of a better way to
> put
> > it... once every rotation or two. Again, this is only in SHARP turns on
> > pavement.
> >
> > Eric
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> > news:0bqAb.27847$Bk1.15264@fed1read05...
> > > "Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> > > news:w0pAb.14$Qg6.43032@news.uswest.net... The all wheel drive mode
> should
> > > not
> > > > result in a noticable grabbing on turns.
> > >
> > > The Cherokee's full-time system is not an AWD (a reactive 2wd system
> that
> > > engages the other axle when slippage is noted), it's a much simpler
> purely
> > > mechanical full-time 4wd system which is different from AWD. I don't
> > recall
> > > my long-gone Cherokee ever pulling when it was in full-time 4wd,
perhaps
> > > there's a bad u-joint on one of the front axleshafts.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
12-07-2003, 10:23 PM
#87
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Full time 4wd or not?!?
That's strange. My setting for news posts says plain text. Just checked it
to make sure. (Even under the format tab of this message it says plain text)
Eric
"CRWLR" <CRWLRJEFF@YAHOO.COM> wrote in message
news:vt7nq25fni6a05@corp.supernews.com...
> If you feel the steering wheel move during tight turns, then the tires are
> trying to make the tcase do things it doesn't want to do because the front
> tires and the rear tire do not turn at the same speed. The front tires
> should not be sending feedback through the steering wheel, if they are
then
> something should be looked at. Me thinks you are having issues with the
> viscous coupling, or the tcase linkage is picking the part time 4HI mode.
>
> PS
> You need to change a setting in your news reader. You are posting in HTML
> much of the time, and HTML sucks.
>
>
>
>
> "Eric" <gymrat@***.net> wrote in message
> news:cHqAb.10496$LV1.1024@okepread05...
> > The only time I noticed a difference was during slow, sharp turns on
> > pavement. The difference is that I'm-in-4wd feeling when you turn. I
> only
> > recognize it because if I'm on the trail and take a sharp turn in the TJ
> it
> > does the same thing. The wheels... twitch.. for lack of a better way to
> put
> > it... once every rotation or two. Again, this is only in SHARP turns on
> > pavement.
> >
> > Eric
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> > news:0bqAb.27847$Bk1.15264@fed1read05...
> > > "Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> > > news:w0pAb.14$Qg6.43032@news.uswest.net... The all wheel drive mode
> should
> > > not
> > > > result in a noticable grabbing on turns.
> > >
> > > The Cherokee's full-time system is not an AWD (a reactive 2wd system
> that
> > > engages the other axle when slippage is noted), it's a much simpler
> purely
> > > mechanical full-time 4wd system which is different from AWD. I don't
> > recall
> > > my long-gone Cherokee ever pulling when it was in full-time 4wd,
perhaps
> > > there's a bad u-joint on one of the front axleshafts.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
to make sure. (Even under the format tab of this message it says plain text)
Eric
"CRWLR" <CRWLRJEFF@YAHOO.COM> wrote in message
news:vt7nq25fni6a05@corp.supernews.com...
> If you feel the steering wheel move during tight turns, then the tires are
> trying to make the tcase do things it doesn't want to do because the front
> tires and the rear tire do not turn at the same speed. The front tires
> should not be sending feedback through the steering wheel, if they are
then
> something should be looked at. Me thinks you are having issues with the
> viscous coupling, or the tcase linkage is picking the part time 4HI mode.
>
> PS
> You need to change a setting in your news reader. You are posting in HTML
> much of the time, and HTML sucks.
>
>
>
>
> "Eric" <gymrat@***.net> wrote in message
> news:cHqAb.10496$LV1.1024@okepread05...
> > The only time I noticed a difference was during slow, sharp turns on
> > pavement. The difference is that I'm-in-4wd feeling when you turn. I
> only
> > recognize it because if I'm on the trail and take a sharp turn in the TJ
> it
> > does the same thing. The wheels... twitch.. for lack of a better way to
> put
> > it... once every rotation or two. Again, this is only in SHARP turns on
> > pavement.
> >
> > Eric
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> > news:0bqAb.27847$Bk1.15264@fed1read05...
> > > "Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> > > news:w0pAb.14$Qg6.43032@news.uswest.net... The all wheel drive mode
> should
> > > not
> > > > result in a noticable grabbing on turns.
> > >
> > > The Cherokee's full-time system is not an AWD (a reactive 2wd system
> that
> > > engages the other axle when slippage is noted), it's a much simpler
> purely
> > > mechanical full-time 4wd system which is different from AWD. I don't
> > recall
> > > my long-gone Cherokee ever pulling when it was in full-time 4wd,
perhaps
> > > there's a bad u-joint on one of the front axleshafts.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
12-07-2003, 10:23 PM
#88
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Full time 4wd or not?!?
That's strange. My setting for news posts says plain text. Just checked it
to make sure. (Even under the format tab of this message it says plain text)
Eric
"CRWLR" <CRWLRJEFF@YAHOO.COM> wrote in message
news:vt7nq25fni6a05@corp.supernews.com...
> If you feel the steering wheel move during tight turns, then the tires are
> trying to make the tcase do things it doesn't want to do because the front
> tires and the rear tire do not turn at the same speed. The front tires
> should not be sending feedback through the steering wheel, if they are
then
> something should be looked at. Me thinks you are having issues with the
> viscous coupling, or the tcase linkage is picking the part time 4HI mode.
>
> PS
> You need to change a setting in your news reader. You are posting in HTML
> much of the time, and HTML sucks.
>
>
>
>
> "Eric" <gymrat@***.net> wrote in message
> news:cHqAb.10496$LV1.1024@okepread05...
> > The only time I noticed a difference was during slow, sharp turns on
> > pavement. The difference is that I'm-in-4wd feeling when you turn. I
> only
> > recognize it because if I'm on the trail and take a sharp turn in the TJ
> it
> > does the same thing. The wheels... twitch.. for lack of a better way to
> put
> > it... once every rotation or two. Again, this is only in SHARP turns on
> > pavement.
> >
> > Eric
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> > news:0bqAb.27847$Bk1.15264@fed1read05...
> > > "Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> > > news:w0pAb.14$Qg6.43032@news.uswest.net... The all wheel drive mode
> should
> > > not
> > > > result in a noticable grabbing on turns.
> > >
> > > The Cherokee's full-time system is not an AWD (a reactive 2wd system
> that
> > > engages the other axle when slippage is noted), it's a much simpler
> purely
> > > mechanical full-time 4wd system which is different from AWD. I don't
> > recall
> > > my long-gone Cherokee ever pulling when it was in full-time 4wd,
perhaps
> > > there's a bad u-joint on one of the front axleshafts.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
to make sure. (Even under the format tab of this message it says plain text)
Eric
"CRWLR" <CRWLRJEFF@YAHOO.COM> wrote in message
news:vt7nq25fni6a05@corp.supernews.com...
> If you feel the steering wheel move during tight turns, then the tires are
> trying to make the tcase do things it doesn't want to do because the front
> tires and the rear tire do not turn at the same speed. The front tires
> should not be sending feedback through the steering wheel, if they are
then
> something should be looked at. Me thinks you are having issues with the
> viscous coupling, or the tcase linkage is picking the part time 4HI mode.
>
> PS
> You need to change a setting in your news reader. You are posting in HTML
> much of the time, and HTML sucks.
>
>
>
>
> "Eric" <gymrat@***.net> wrote in message
> news:cHqAb.10496$LV1.1024@okepread05...
> > The only time I noticed a difference was during slow, sharp turns on
> > pavement. The difference is that I'm-in-4wd feeling when you turn. I
> only
> > recognize it because if I'm on the trail and take a sharp turn in the TJ
> it
> > does the same thing. The wheels... twitch.. for lack of a better way to
> put
> > it... once every rotation or two. Again, this is only in SHARP turns on
> > pavement.
> >
> > Eric
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> > news:0bqAb.27847$Bk1.15264@fed1read05...
> > > "Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> > > news:w0pAb.14$Qg6.43032@news.uswest.net... The all wheel drive mode
> should
> > > not
> > > > result in a noticable grabbing on turns.
> > >
> > > The Cherokee's full-time system is not an AWD (a reactive 2wd system
> that
> > > engages the other axle when slippage is noted), it's a much simpler
> purely
> > > mechanical full-time 4wd system which is different from AWD. I don't
> > recall
> > > my long-gone Cherokee ever pulling when it was in full-time 4wd,
perhaps
> > > there's a bad u-joint on one of the front axleshafts.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
12-07-2003, 10:42 PM
#89
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Full time 4wd or not?!?
You haven't posted in HTML, I just checked.
Maybe someone replied in HTML?
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Eric wrote:
>
> That's strange. My setting for news posts says plain text. Just checked it
> to make sure. (Even under the format tab of this message it says plain text)
>
> Eric
> "CRWLR" <CRWLRJEFF@YAHOO.COM> wrote in message
> news:vt7nq25fni6a05@corp.supernews.com...
> > If you feel the steering wheel move during tight turns, then the tires are
> > trying to make the tcase do things it doesn't want to do because the front
> > tires and the rear tire do not turn at the same speed. The front tires
> > should not be sending feedback through the steering wheel, if they are
> then
> > something should be looked at. Me thinks you are having issues with the
> > viscous coupling, or the tcase linkage is picking the part time 4HI mode.
> >
> > PS
> > You need to change a setting in your news reader. You are posting in HTML
> > much of the time, and HTML sucks.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Eric" <gymrat@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:cHqAb.10496$LV1.1024@okepread05...
> > > The only time I noticed a difference was during slow, sharp turns on
> > > pavement. The difference is that I'm-in-4wd feeling when you turn. I
> > only
> > > recognize it because if I'm on the trail and take a sharp turn in the TJ
> > it
> > > does the same thing. The wheels... twitch.. for lack of a better way to
> > put
> > > it... once every rotation or two. Again, this is only in SHARP turns on
> > > pavement.
> > >
> > > Eric
> > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> > > news:0bqAb.27847$Bk1.15264@fed1read05...
> > > > "Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:w0pAb.14$Qg6.43032@news.uswest.net... The all wheel drive mode
> > should
> > > > not
> > > > > result in a noticable grabbing on turns.
> > > >
> > > > The Cherokee's full-time system is not an AWD (a reactive 2wd system
> > that
> > > > engages the other axle when slippage is noted), it's a much simpler
> > purely
> > > > mechanical full-time 4wd system which is different from AWD. I don't
> > > recall
> > > > my long-gone Cherokee ever pulling when it was in full-time 4wd,
> perhaps
> > > > there's a bad u-joint on one of the front axleshafts.
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > > --
> > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
Maybe someone replied in HTML?
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Eric wrote:
>
> That's strange. My setting for news posts says plain text. Just checked it
> to make sure. (Even under the format tab of this message it says plain text)
>
> Eric
> "CRWLR" <CRWLRJEFF@YAHOO.COM> wrote in message
> news:vt7nq25fni6a05@corp.supernews.com...
> > If you feel the steering wheel move during tight turns, then the tires are
> > trying to make the tcase do things it doesn't want to do because the front
> > tires and the rear tire do not turn at the same speed. The front tires
> > should not be sending feedback through the steering wheel, if they are
> then
> > something should be looked at. Me thinks you are having issues with the
> > viscous coupling, or the tcase linkage is picking the part time 4HI mode.
> >
> > PS
> > You need to change a setting in your news reader. You are posting in HTML
> > much of the time, and HTML sucks.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Eric" <gymrat@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:cHqAb.10496$LV1.1024@okepread05...
> > > The only time I noticed a difference was during slow, sharp turns on
> > > pavement. The difference is that I'm-in-4wd feeling when you turn. I
> > only
> > > recognize it because if I'm on the trail and take a sharp turn in the TJ
> > it
> > > does the same thing. The wheels... twitch.. for lack of a better way to
> > put
> > > it... once every rotation or two. Again, this is only in SHARP turns on
> > > pavement.
> > >
> > > Eric
> > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> > > news:0bqAb.27847$Bk1.15264@fed1read05...
> > > > "Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:w0pAb.14$Qg6.43032@news.uswest.net... The all wheel drive mode
> > should
> > > > not
> > > > > result in a noticable grabbing on turns.
> > > >
> > > > The Cherokee's full-time system is not an AWD (a reactive 2wd system
> > that
> > > > engages the other axle when slippage is noted), it's a much simpler
> > purely
> > > > mechanical full-time 4wd system which is different from AWD. I don't
> > > recall
> > > > my long-gone Cherokee ever pulling when it was in full-time 4wd,
> perhaps
> > > > there's a bad u-joint on one of the front axleshafts.
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > > --
> > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
12-07-2003, 10:42 PM
#90
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Full time 4wd or not?!?
You haven't posted in HTML, I just checked.
Maybe someone replied in HTML?
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Eric wrote:
>
> That's strange. My setting for news posts says plain text. Just checked it
> to make sure. (Even under the format tab of this message it says plain text)
>
> Eric
> "CRWLR" <CRWLRJEFF@YAHOO.COM> wrote in message
> news:vt7nq25fni6a05@corp.supernews.com...
> > If you feel the steering wheel move during tight turns, then the tires are
> > trying to make the tcase do things it doesn't want to do because the front
> > tires and the rear tire do not turn at the same speed. The front tires
> > should not be sending feedback through the steering wheel, if they are
> then
> > something should be looked at. Me thinks you are having issues with the
> > viscous coupling, or the tcase linkage is picking the part time 4HI mode.
> >
> > PS
> > You need to change a setting in your news reader. You are posting in HTML
> > much of the time, and HTML sucks.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Eric" <gymrat@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:cHqAb.10496$LV1.1024@okepread05...
> > > The only time I noticed a difference was during slow, sharp turns on
> > > pavement. The difference is that I'm-in-4wd feeling when you turn. I
> > only
> > > recognize it because if I'm on the trail and take a sharp turn in the TJ
> > it
> > > does the same thing. The wheels... twitch.. for lack of a better way to
> > put
> > > it... once every rotation or two. Again, this is only in SHARP turns on
> > > pavement.
> > >
> > > Eric
> > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> > > news:0bqAb.27847$Bk1.15264@fed1read05...
> > > > "Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:w0pAb.14$Qg6.43032@news.uswest.net... The all wheel drive mode
> > should
> > > > not
> > > > > result in a noticable grabbing on turns.
> > > >
> > > > The Cherokee's full-time system is not an AWD (a reactive 2wd system
> > that
> > > > engages the other axle when slippage is noted), it's a much simpler
> > purely
> > > > mechanical full-time 4wd system which is different from AWD. I don't
> > > recall
> > > > my long-gone Cherokee ever pulling when it was in full-time 4wd,
> perhaps
> > > > there's a bad u-joint on one of the front axleshafts.
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > > --
> > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
Maybe someone replied in HTML?
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Eric wrote:
>
> That's strange. My setting for news posts says plain text. Just checked it
> to make sure. (Even under the format tab of this message it says plain text)
>
> Eric
> "CRWLR" <CRWLRJEFF@YAHOO.COM> wrote in message
> news:vt7nq25fni6a05@corp.supernews.com...
> > If you feel the steering wheel move during tight turns, then the tires are
> > trying to make the tcase do things it doesn't want to do because the front
> > tires and the rear tire do not turn at the same speed. The front tires
> > should not be sending feedback through the steering wheel, if they are
> then
> > something should be looked at. Me thinks you are having issues with the
> > viscous coupling, or the tcase linkage is picking the part time 4HI mode.
> >
> > PS
> > You need to change a setting in your news reader. You are posting in HTML
> > much of the time, and HTML sucks.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Eric" <gymrat@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:cHqAb.10496$LV1.1024@okepread05...
> > > The only time I noticed a difference was during slow, sharp turns on
> > > pavement. The difference is that I'm-in-4wd feeling when you turn. I
> > only
> > > recognize it because if I'm on the trail and take a sharp turn in the TJ
> > it
> > > does the same thing. The wheels... twitch.. for lack of a better way to
> > put
> > > it... once every rotation or two. Again, this is only in SHARP turns on
> > > pavement.
> > >
> > > Eric
> > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> > > news:0bqAb.27847$Bk1.15264@fed1read05...
> > > > "Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:w0pAb.14$Qg6.43032@news.uswest.net... The all wheel drive mode
> > should
> > > > not
> > > > > result in a noticable grabbing on turns.
> > > >
> > > > The Cherokee's full-time system is not an AWD (a reactive 2wd system
> > that
> > > > engages the other axle when slippage is noted), it's a much simpler
> > purely
> > > > mechanical full-time 4wd system which is different from AWD. I don't
> > > recall
> > > > my long-gone Cherokee ever pulling when it was in full-time 4wd,
> perhaps
> > > > there's a bad u-joint on one of the front axleshafts.
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > > --
> > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >