Front brakes dragging
#51
Guest
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Re: Front brakes dragging
Agreed, his prop valve is fine. We should find out more soon, if he posts
his results.
Spdloader
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43BC5585.340892D@sympatico.ca...
> Well, I do have my moments, LOL.
>
> I was just a bit frustrated this morning wading through 4 days of mostly
> crap for posts, then figure ah, one to answer only to find out nope,
> been done on the quiet....
>
> His brake failure light is/was on for a reason. It means it sees a
> pressure difference between the front and rear brakes. I have never
> heard of directly bleeding a modern prop valve. If they can't be bled
> at the wheels by holding the pin or if they are the 'new' ones with no
> pin, then if they fail, they are dead. I doubt his has failed.
>
> Mike
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>>
>> Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake
>> line,
>> then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record of
>> it
>> for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose
>> didn't
>> paste.
>>
>> That's my fault for poor editing.
>>
>> Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I suspect
>> the
>> caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back with
>> a C
>> clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but I
>> would
>> never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
>> proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem as
>> well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.
>>
>> Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed
>> now,
>>
>> ...and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".
>>
>> Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but you
>> have
>> to earn it.
>>
>> lol
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
>> > Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
>> > happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to
>> > get
>> > resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
>> > given out because only half the story was public....
>> >
>> > That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
>> >
>> > So I'll ask again nicely.
>> >
>> > Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
>> >>
>> >> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
>> >>
>> >> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are
>> >> more
>> >> comfortable that way.
>> >>
>> >> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
>> >>
>> >> Spdloader
>> >>
>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
>> >> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
>> >> >
>> >> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
>> >> > email?
>> >> >
>> >> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
>> >> >
>> >> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> >> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >> >
>> >> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Spdloader
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
>> >> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the bolt
>> >> >> >>at
>> >> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
>> >> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and
>> >> >> >>had
>> >> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened the
>> >> >> >>bolt
>> >> >> >>up.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake
>> >> >> >>still
>> >> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only
>> >> >> >>the
>> >> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would
>> >> >> >>expect
>> >> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad caliper/piston.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more
>> >> >> >>and
>> >> >> >>the
>> >> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the MC
>> >> >> >>cover
>> >> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too
>> >> >> >>thick?
>> >> >> >>With
>> >> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag
>> >> >> >>was
>> >> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking caliper.
>> >> >> > They
>> >> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper. Surprised
>> >> >> > this
>> >> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real
>> >> >> > clue
>> >> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Old Crow
>> >> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
>> >> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
>> >> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
>> >> >> > "There's only 1 RE"
his results.
Spdloader
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43BC5585.340892D@sympatico.ca...
> Well, I do have my moments, LOL.
>
> I was just a bit frustrated this morning wading through 4 days of mostly
> crap for posts, then figure ah, one to answer only to find out nope,
> been done on the quiet....
>
> His brake failure light is/was on for a reason. It means it sees a
> pressure difference between the front and rear brakes. I have never
> heard of directly bleeding a modern prop valve. If they can't be bled
> at the wheels by holding the pin or if they are the 'new' ones with no
> pin, then if they fail, they are dead. I doubt his has failed.
>
> Mike
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>>
>> Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake
>> line,
>> then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record of
>> it
>> for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose
>> didn't
>> paste.
>>
>> That's my fault for poor editing.
>>
>> Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I suspect
>> the
>> caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back with
>> a C
>> clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but I
>> would
>> never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
>> proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem as
>> well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.
>>
>> Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed
>> now,
>>
>> ...and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".
>>
>> Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but you
>> have
>> to earn it.
>>
>> lol
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
>> > Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
>> > happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to
>> > get
>> > resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
>> > given out because only half the story was public....
>> >
>> > That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
>> >
>> > So I'll ask again nicely.
>> >
>> > Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
>> >>
>> >> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
>> >>
>> >> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are
>> >> more
>> >> comfortable that way.
>> >>
>> >> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
>> >>
>> >> Spdloader
>> >>
>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
>> >> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
>> >> >
>> >> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
>> >> > email?
>> >> >
>> >> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
>> >> >
>> >> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> >> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >> >
>> >> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Spdloader
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
>> >> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the bolt
>> >> >> >>at
>> >> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
>> >> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and
>> >> >> >>had
>> >> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened the
>> >> >> >>bolt
>> >> >> >>up.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake
>> >> >> >>still
>> >> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only
>> >> >> >>the
>> >> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would
>> >> >> >>expect
>> >> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad caliper/piston.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more
>> >> >> >>and
>> >> >> >>the
>> >> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the MC
>> >> >> >>cover
>> >> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too
>> >> >> >>thick?
>> >> >> >>With
>> >> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag
>> >> >> >>was
>> >> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking caliper.
>> >> >> > They
>> >> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper. Surprised
>> >> >> > this
>> >> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real
>> >> >> > clue
>> >> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Old Crow
>> >> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
>> >> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
>> >> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
>> >> >> > "There's only 1 RE"
#52
Guest
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Re: Front brakes dragging
Agreed, his prop valve is fine. We should find out more soon, if he posts
his results.
Spdloader
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43BC5585.340892D@sympatico.ca...
> Well, I do have my moments, LOL.
>
> I was just a bit frustrated this morning wading through 4 days of mostly
> crap for posts, then figure ah, one to answer only to find out nope,
> been done on the quiet....
>
> His brake failure light is/was on for a reason. It means it sees a
> pressure difference between the front and rear brakes. I have never
> heard of directly bleeding a modern prop valve. If they can't be bled
> at the wheels by holding the pin or if they are the 'new' ones with no
> pin, then if they fail, they are dead. I doubt his has failed.
>
> Mike
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>>
>> Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake
>> line,
>> then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record of
>> it
>> for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose
>> didn't
>> paste.
>>
>> That's my fault for poor editing.
>>
>> Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I suspect
>> the
>> caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back with
>> a C
>> clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but I
>> would
>> never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
>> proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem as
>> well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.
>>
>> Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed
>> now,
>>
>> ...and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".
>>
>> Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but you
>> have
>> to earn it.
>>
>> lol
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
>> > Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
>> > happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to
>> > get
>> > resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
>> > given out because only half the story was public....
>> >
>> > That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
>> >
>> > So I'll ask again nicely.
>> >
>> > Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
>> >>
>> >> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
>> >>
>> >> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are
>> >> more
>> >> comfortable that way.
>> >>
>> >> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
>> >>
>> >> Spdloader
>> >>
>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
>> >> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
>> >> >
>> >> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
>> >> > email?
>> >> >
>> >> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
>> >> >
>> >> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> >> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >> >
>> >> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Spdloader
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
>> >> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the bolt
>> >> >> >>at
>> >> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
>> >> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and
>> >> >> >>had
>> >> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened the
>> >> >> >>bolt
>> >> >> >>up.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake
>> >> >> >>still
>> >> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only
>> >> >> >>the
>> >> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would
>> >> >> >>expect
>> >> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad caliper/piston.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more
>> >> >> >>and
>> >> >> >>the
>> >> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the MC
>> >> >> >>cover
>> >> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too
>> >> >> >>thick?
>> >> >> >>With
>> >> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag
>> >> >> >>was
>> >> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking caliper.
>> >> >> > They
>> >> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper. Surprised
>> >> >> > this
>> >> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real
>> >> >> > clue
>> >> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Old Crow
>> >> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
>> >> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
>> >> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
>> >> >> > "There's only 1 RE"
his results.
Spdloader
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43BC5585.340892D@sympatico.ca...
> Well, I do have my moments, LOL.
>
> I was just a bit frustrated this morning wading through 4 days of mostly
> crap for posts, then figure ah, one to answer only to find out nope,
> been done on the quiet....
>
> His brake failure light is/was on for a reason. It means it sees a
> pressure difference between the front and rear brakes. I have never
> heard of directly bleeding a modern prop valve. If they can't be bled
> at the wheels by holding the pin or if they are the 'new' ones with no
> pin, then if they fail, they are dead. I doubt his has failed.
>
> Mike
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>>
>> Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake
>> line,
>> then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record of
>> it
>> for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose
>> didn't
>> paste.
>>
>> That's my fault for poor editing.
>>
>> Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I suspect
>> the
>> caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back with
>> a C
>> clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but I
>> would
>> never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
>> proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem as
>> well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.
>>
>> Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed
>> now,
>>
>> ...and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".
>>
>> Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but you
>> have
>> to earn it.
>>
>> lol
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
>> > Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
>> > happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to
>> > get
>> > resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
>> > given out because only half the story was public....
>> >
>> > That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
>> >
>> > So I'll ask again nicely.
>> >
>> > Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
>> >>
>> >> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
>> >>
>> >> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are
>> >> more
>> >> comfortable that way.
>> >>
>> >> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
>> >>
>> >> Spdloader
>> >>
>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
>> >> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
>> >> >
>> >> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
>> >> > email?
>> >> >
>> >> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
>> >> >
>> >> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> >> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >> >
>> >> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Spdloader
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
>> >> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the bolt
>> >> >> >>at
>> >> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
>> >> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and
>> >> >> >>had
>> >> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened the
>> >> >> >>bolt
>> >> >> >>up.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake
>> >> >> >>still
>> >> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only
>> >> >> >>the
>> >> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would
>> >> >> >>expect
>> >> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad caliper/piston.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more
>> >> >> >>and
>> >> >> >>the
>> >> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the MC
>> >> >> >>cover
>> >> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too
>> >> >> >>thick?
>> >> >> >>With
>> >> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag
>> >> >> >>was
>> >> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking caliper.
>> >> >> > They
>> >> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper. Surprised
>> >> >> > this
>> >> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real
>> >> >> > clue
>> >> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Old Crow
>> >> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
>> >> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
>> >> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
>> >> >> > "There's only 1 RE"
#53
Guest
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Re: Front brakes dragging
I sent him, directly, some relevant pages from the service manual in PDF
format. Should I have typed them all out and posted the information here?
How would I have handled the diagrams?
I told him I, as a non-mechanic, suspected the caliper but that more
seasoned heads would offer more expert advise.
I also suggested obtaining a build sheet which is something I would suggest
to anyone who wanted to know what components were installed at the factory.
"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:tbZuf.47$Kp.46@southeast.rr.com...
> Agreed, his prop valve is fine. We should find out more soon, if he posts
> his results.
>
> Spdloader
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43BC5585.340892D@sympatico.ca...
>> Well, I do have my moments, LOL.
>>
>> I was just a bit frustrated this morning wading through 4 days of mostly
>> crap for posts, then figure ah, one to answer only to find out nope,
>> been done on the quiet....
>>
>> His brake failure light is/was on for a reason. It means it sees a
>> pressure difference between the front and rear brakes. I have never
>> heard of directly bleeding a modern prop valve. If they can't be bled
>> at the wheels by holding the pin or if they are the 'new' ones with no
>> pin, then if they fail, they are dead. I doubt his has failed.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Spdloader wrote:
>>>
>>> Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake
>>> line,
>>> then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record of
>>> it
>>> for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose
>>> didn't
>>> paste.
>>>
>>> That's my fault for poor editing.
>>>
>>> Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I suspect
>>> the
>>> caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back with
>>> a C
>>> clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but I
>>> would
>>> never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
>>> proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem as
>>> well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.
>>>
>>> Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed
>>> now,
>>>
>>> ...and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".
>>>
>>> Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but you
>>> have
>>> to earn it.
>>>
>>> lol
>>>
>>> Spdloader
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
>>> > Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
>>> > happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to
>>> > get
>>> > resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
>>> > given out because only half the story was public....
>>> >
>>> > That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
>>> >
>>> > So I'll ask again nicely.
>>> >
>>> > Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
>>> >
>>> > Mike
>>> >
>>> > Spdloader wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
>>> >>
>>> >> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
>>> >>
>>> >> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are
>>> >> more
>>> >> comfortable that way.
>>> >>
>>> >> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
>>> >>
>>> >> Spdloader
>>> >>
>>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> >> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
>>> >> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
>>> >> >
>>> >> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
>>> >> > email?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Mike
>>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> >> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Spdloader wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Spdloader
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> >> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
>>> >> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com>
>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the
>>> >> >> >>bolt at
>>> >> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
>>> >> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and
>>> >> >> >>had
>>> >> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened
>>> >> >> >>the
>>> >> >> >>bolt
>>> >> >> >>up.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake
>>> >> >> >>still
>>> >> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only
>>> >> >> >>the
>>> >> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would
>>> >> >> >>expect
>>> >> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad
>>> >> >> >>caliper/piston.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more
>>> >> >> >>and
>>> >> >> >>the
>>> >> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the
>>> >> >> >>MC
>>> >> >> >>cover
>>> >> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too
>>> >> >> >>thick?
>>> >> >> >>With
>>> >> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag
>>> >> >> >>was
>>> >> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking
>>> >> >> > caliper.
>>> >> >> > They
>>> >> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper.
>>> >> >> > Surprised
>>> >> >> > this
>>> >> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real
>>> >> >> > clue
>>> >> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
>>> >> >> > --
>>> >> >> > Old Crow
>>> >> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
>>> >> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
>>> >> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
>>> >> >> > "There's only 1 RE"
>
>
format. Should I have typed them all out and posted the information here?
How would I have handled the diagrams?
I told him I, as a non-mechanic, suspected the caliper but that more
seasoned heads would offer more expert advise.
I also suggested obtaining a build sheet which is something I would suggest
to anyone who wanted to know what components were installed at the factory.
"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:tbZuf.47$Kp.46@southeast.rr.com...
> Agreed, his prop valve is fine. We should find out more soon, if he posts
> his results.
>
> Spdloader
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43BC5585.340892D@sympatico.ca...
>> Well, I do have my moments, LOL.
>>
>> I was just a bit frustrated this morning wading through 4 days of mostly
>> crap for posts, then figure ah, one to answer only to find out nope,
>> been done on the quiet....
>>
>> His brake failure light is/was on for a reason. It means it sees a
>> pressure difference between the front and rear brakes. I have never
>> heard of directly bleeding a modern prop valve. If they can't be bled
>> at the wheels by holding the pin or if they are the 'new' ones with no
>> pin, then if they fail, they are dead. I doubt his has failed.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Spdloader wrote:
>>>
>>> Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake
>>> line,
>>> then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record of
>>> it
>>> for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose
>>> didn't
>>> paste.
>>>
>>> That's my fault for poor editing.
>>>
>>> Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I suspect
>>> the
>>> caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back with
>>> a C
>>> clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but I
>>> would
>>> never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
>>> proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem as
>>> well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.
>>>
>>> Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed
>>> now,
>>>
>>> ...and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".
>>>
>>> Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but you
>>> have
>>> to earn it.
>>>
>>> lol
>>>
>>> Spdloader
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
>>> > Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
>>> > happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to
>>> > get
>>> > resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
>>> > given out because only half the story was public....
>>> >
>>> > That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
>>> >
>>> > So I'll ask again nicely.
>>> >
>>> > Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
>>> >
>>> > Mike
>>> >
>>> > Spdloader wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
>>> >>
>>> >> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
>>> >>
>>> >> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are
>>> >> more
>>> >> comfortable that way.
>>> >>
>>> >> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
>>> >>
>>> >> Spdloader
>>> >>
>>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> >> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
>>> >> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
>>> >> >
>>> >> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
>>> >> > email?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Mike
>>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> >> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Spdloader wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Spdloader
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> >> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
>>> >> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com>
>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the
>>> >> >> >>bolt at
>>> >> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
>>> >> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and
>>> >> >> >>had
>>> >> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened
>>> >> >> >>the
>>> >> >> >>bolt
>>> >> >> >>up.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake
>>> >> >> >>still
>>> >> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only
>>> >> >> >>the
>>> >> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would
>>> >> >> >>expect
>>> >> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad
>>> >> >> >>caliper/piston.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more
>>> >> >> >>and
>>> >> >> >>the
>>> >> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the
>>> >> >> >>MC
>>> >> >> >>cover
>>> >> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too
>>> >> >> >>thick?
>>> >> >> >>With
>>> >> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag
>>> >> >> >>was
>>> >> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking
>>> >> >> > caliper.
>>> >> >> > They
>>> >> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper.
>>> >> >> > Surprised
>>> >> >> > this
>>> >> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real
>>> >> >> > clue
>>> >> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
>>> >> >> > --
>>> >> >> > Old Crow
>>> >> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
>>> >> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
>>> >> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
>>> >> >> > "There's only 1 RE"
>
>
#54
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Front brakes dragging
I sent him, directly, some relevant pages from the service manual in PDF
format. Should I have typed them all out and posted the information here?
How would I have handled the diagrams?
I told him I, as a non-mechanic, suspected the caliper but that more
seasoned heads would offer more expert advise.
I also suggested obtaining a build sheet which is something I would suggest
to anyone who wanted to know what components were installed at the factory.
"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:tbZuf.47$Kp.46@southeast.rr.com...
> Agreed, his prop valve is fine. We should find out more soon, if he posts
> his results.
>
> Spdloader
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43BC5585.340892D@sympatico.ca...
>> Well, I do have my moments, LOL.
>>
>> I was just a bit frustrated this morning wading through 4 days of mostly
>> crap for posts, then figure ah, one to answer only to find out nope,
>> been done on the quiet....
>>
>> His brake failure light is/was on for a reason. It means it sees a
>> pressure difference between the front and rear brakes. I have never
>> heard of directly bleeding a modern prop valve. If they can't be bled
>> at the wheels by holding the pin or if they are the 'new' ones with no
>> pin, then if they fail, they are dead. I doubt his has failed.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Spdloader wrote:
>>>
>>> Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake
>>> line,
>>> then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record of
>>> it
>>> for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose
>>> didn't
>>> paste.
>>>
>>> That's my fault for poor editing.
>>>
>>> Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I suspect
>>> the
>>> caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back with
>>> a C
>>> clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but I
>>> would
>>> never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
>>> proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem as
>>> well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.
>>>
>>> Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed
>>> now,
>>>
>>> ...and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".
>>>
>>> Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but you
>>> have
>>> to earn it.
>>>
>>> lol
>>>
>>> Spdloader
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
>>> > Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
>>> > happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to
>>> > get
>>> > resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
>>> > given out because only half the story was public....
>>> >
>>> > That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
>>> >
>>> > So I'll ask again nicely.
>>> >
>>> > Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
>>> >
>>> > Mike
>>> >
>>> > Spdloader wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
>>> >>
>>> >> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
>>> >>
>>> >> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are
>>> >> more
>>> >> comfortable that way.
>>> >>
>>> >> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
>>> >>
>>> >> Spdloader
>>> >>
>>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> >> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
>>> >> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
>>> >> >
>>> >> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
>>> >> > email?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Mike
>>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> >> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Spdloader wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Spdloader
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> >> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
>>> >> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com>
>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the
>>> >> >> >>bolt at
>>> >> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
>>> >> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and
>>> >> >> >>had
>>> >> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened
>>> >> >> >>the
>>> >> >> >>bolt
>>> >> >> >>up.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake
>>> >> >> >>still
>>> >> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only
>>> >> >> >>the
>>> >> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would
>>> >> >> >>expect
>>> >> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad
>>> >> >> >>caliper/piston.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more
>>> >> >> >>and
>>> >> >> >>the
>>> >> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the
>>> >> >> >>MC
>>> >> >> >>cover
>>> >> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too
>>> >> >> >>thick?
>>> >> >> >>With
>>> >> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag
>>> >> >> >>was
>>> >> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking
>>> >> >> > caliper.
>>> >> >> > They
>>> >> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper.
>>> >> >> > Surprised
>>> >> >> > this
>>> >> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real
>>> >> >> > clue
>>> >> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
>>> >> >> > --
>>> >> >> > Old Crow
>>> >> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
>>> >> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
>>> >> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
>>> >> >> > "There's only 1 RE"
>
>
format. Should I have typed them all out and posted the information here?
How would I have handled the diagrams?
I told him I, as a non-mechanic, suspected the caliper but that more
seasoned heads would offer more expert advise.
I also suggested obtaining a build sheet which is something I would suggest
to anyone who wanted to know what components were installed at the factory.
"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:tbZuf.47$Kp.46@southeast.rr.com...
> Agreed, his prop valve is fine. We should find out more soon, if he posts
> his results.
>
> Spdloader
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43BC5585.340892D@sympatico.ca...
>> Well, I do have my moments, LOL.
>>
>> I was just a bit frustrated this morning wading through 4 days of mostly
>> crap for posts, then figure ah, one to answer only to find out nope,
>> been done on the quiet....
>>
>> His brake failure light is/was on for a reason. It means it sees a
>> pressure difference between the front and rear brakes. I have never
>> heard of directly bleeding a modern prop valve. If they can't be bled
>> at the wheels by holding the pin or if they are the 'new' ones with no
>> pin, then if they fail, they are dead. I doubt his has failed.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Spdloader wrote:
>>>
>>> Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake
>>> line,
>>> then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record of
>>> it
>>> for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose
>>> didn't
>>> paste.
>>>
>>> That's my fault for poor editing.
>>>
>>> Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I suspect
>>> the
>>> caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back with
>>> a C
>>> clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but I
>>> would
>>> never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
>>> proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem as
>>> well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.
>>>
>>> Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed
>>> now,
>>>
>>> ...and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".
>>>
>>> Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but you
>>> have
>>> to earn it.
>>>
>>> lol
>>>
>>> Spdloader
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
>>> > Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
>>> > happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to
>>> > get
>>> > resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
>>> > given out because only half the story was public....
>>> >
>>> > That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
>>> >
>>> > So I'll ask again nicely.
>>> >
>>> > Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
>>> >
>>> > Mike
>>> >
>>> > Spdloader wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
>>> >>
>>> >> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
>>> >>
>>> >> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are
>>> >> more
>>> >> comfortable that way.
>>> >>
>>> >> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
>>> >>
>>> >> Spdloader
>>> >>
>>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> >> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
>>> >> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
>>> >> >
>>> >> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
>>> >> > email?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Mike
>>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> >> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Spdloader wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Spdloader
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> >> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
>>> >> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com>
>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the
>>> >> >> >>bolt at
>>> >> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
>>> >> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and
>>> >> >> >>had
>>> >> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened
>>> >> >> >>the
>>> >> >> >>bolt
>>> >> >> >>up.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake
>>> >> >> >>still
>>> >> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only
>>> >> >> >>the
>>> >> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would
>>> >> >> >>expect
>>> >> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad
>>> >> >> >>caliper/piston.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more
>>> >> >> >>and
>>> >> >> >>the
>>> >> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the
>>> >> >> >>MC
>>> >> >> >>cover
>>> >> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too
>>> >> >> >>thick?
>>> >> >> >>With
>>> >> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag
>>> >> >> >>was
>>> >> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking
>>> >> >> > caliper.
>>> >> >> > They
>>> >> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper.
>>> >> >> > Surprised
>>> >> >> > this
>>> >> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real
>>> >> >> > clue
>>> >> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
>>> >> >> > --
>>> >> >> > Old Crow
>>> >> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
>>> >> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
>>> >> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
>>> >> >> > "There's only 1 RE"
>
>
#55
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Front brakes dragging
I sent him, directly, some relevant pages from the service manual in PDF
format. Should I have typed them all out and posted the information here?
How would I have handled the diagrams?
I told him I, as a non-mechanic, suspected the caliper but that more
seasoned heads would offer more expert advise.
I also suggested obtaining a build sheet which is something I would suggest
to anyone who wanted to know what components were installed at the factory.
"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:tbZuf.47$Kp.46@southeast.rr.com...
> Agreed, his prop valve is fine. We should find out more soon, if he posts
> his results.
>
> Spdloader
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43BC5585.340892D@sympatico.ca...
>> Well, I do have my moments, LOL.
>>
>> I was just a bit frustrated this morning wading through 4 days of mostly
>> crap for posts, then figure ah, one to answer only to find out nope,
>> been done on the quiet....
>>
>> His brake failure light is/was on for a reason. It means it sees a
>> pressure difference between the front and rear brakes. I have never
>> heard of directly bleeding a modern prop valve. If they can't be bled
>> at the wheels by holding the pin or if they are the 'new' ones with no
>> pin, then if they fail, they are dead. I doubt his has failed.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Spdloader wrote:
>>>
>>> Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake
>>> line,
>>> then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record of
>>> it
>>> for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose
>>> didn't
>>> paste.
>>>
>>> That's my fault for poor editing.
>>>
>>> Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I suspect
>>> the
>>> caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back with
>>> a C
>>> clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but I
>>> would
>>> never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
>>> proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem as
>>> well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.
>>>
>>> Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed
>>> now,
>>>
>>> ...and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".
>>>
>>> Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but you
>>> have
>>> to earn it.
>>>
>>> lol
>>>
>>> Spdloader
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
>>> > Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
>>> > happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to
>>> > get
>>> > resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
>>> > given out because only half the story was public....
>>> >
>>> > That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
>>> >
>>> > So I'll ask again nicely.
>>> >
>>> > Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
>>> >
>>> > Mike
>>> >
>>> > Spdloader wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
>>> >>
>>> >> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
>>> >>
>>> >> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are
>>> >> more
>>> >> comfortable that way.
>>> >>
>>> >> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
>>> >>
>>> >> Spdloader
>>> >>
>>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> >> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
>>> >> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
>>> >> >
>>> >> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
>>> >> > email?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Mike
>>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> >> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Spdloader wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Spdloader
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> >> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
>>> >> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com>
>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the
>>> >> >> >>bolt at
>>> >> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
>>> >> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and
>>> >> >> >>had
>>> >> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened
>>> >> >> >>the
>>> >> >> >>bolt
>>> >> >> >>up.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake
>>> >> >> >>still
>>> >> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only
>>> >> >> >>the
>>> >> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would
>>> >> >> >>expect
>>> >> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad
>>> >> >> >>caliper/piston.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more
>>> >> >> >>and
>>> >> >> >>the
>>> >> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the
>>> >> >> >>MC
>>> >> >> >>cover
>>> >> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too
>>> >> >> >>thick?
>>> >> >> >>With
>>> >> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag
>>> >> >> >>was
>>> >> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking
>>> >> >> > caliper.
>>> >> >> > They
>>> >> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper.
>>> >> >> > Surprised
>>> >> >> > this
>>> >> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real
>>> >> >> > clue
>>> >> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
>>> >> >> > --
>>> >> >> > Old Crow
>>> >> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
>>> >> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
>>> >> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
>>> >> >> > "There's only 1 RE"
>
>
format. Should I have typed them all out and posted the information here?
How would I have handled the diagrams?
I told him I, as a non-mechanic, suspected the caliper but that more
seasoned heads would offer more expert advise.
I also suggested obtaining a build sheet which is something I would suggest
to anyone who wanted to know what components were installed at the factory.
"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:tbZuf.47$Kp.46@southeast.rr.com...
> Agreed, his prop valve is fine. We should find out more soon, if he posts
> his results.
>
> Spdloader
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43BC5585.340892D@sympatico.ca...
>> Well, I do have my moments, LOL.
>>
>> I was just a bit frustrated this morning wading through 4 days of mostly
>> crap for posts, then figure ah, one to answer only to find out nope,
>> been done on the quiet....
>>
>> His brake failure light is/was on for a reason. It means it sees a
>> pressure difference between the front and rear brakes. I have never
>> heard of directly bleeding a modern prop valve. If they can't be bled
>> at the wheels by holding the pin or if they are the 'new' ones with no
>> pin, then if they fail, they are dead. I doubt his has failed.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Spdloader wrote:
>>>
>>> Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake
>>> line,
>>> then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record of
>>> it
>>> for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose
>>> didn't
>>> paste.
>>>
>>> That's my fault for poor editing.
>>>
>>> Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I suspect
>>> the
>>> caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back with
>>> a C
>>> clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but I
>>> would
>>> never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
>>> proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem as
>>> well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.
>>>
>>> Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed
>>> now,
>>>
>>> ...and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".
>>>
>>> Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but you
>>> have
>>> to earn it.
>>>
>>> lol
>>>
>>> Spdloader
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
>>> > Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
>>> > happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to
>>> > get
>>> > resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
>>> > given out because only half the story was public....
>>> >
>>> > That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
>>> >
>>> > So I'll ask again nicely.
>>> >
>>> > Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
>>> >
>>> > Mike
>>> >
>>> > Spdloader wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
>>> >>
>>> >> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
>>> >>
>>> >> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are
>>> >> more
>>> >> comfortable that way.
>>> >>
>>> >> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
>>> >>
>>> >> Spdloader
>>> >>
>>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> >> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
>>> >> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
>>> >> >
>>> >> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
>>> >> > email?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Mike
>>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> >> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Spdloader wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Spdloader
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> >> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
>>> >> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com>
>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the
>>> >> >> >>bolt at
>>> >> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
>>> >> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and
>>> >> >> >>had
>>> >> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened
>>> >> >> >>the
>>> >> >> >>bolt
>>> >> >> >>up.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake
>>> >> >> >>still
>>> >> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only
>>> >> >> >>the
>>> >> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would
>>> >> >> >>expect
>>> >> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad
>>> >> >> >>caliper/piston.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more
>>> >> >> >>and
>>> >> >> >>the
>>> >> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the
>>> >> >> >>MC
>>> >> >> >>cover
>>> >> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too
>>> >> >> >>thick?
>>> >> >> >>With
>>> >> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag
>>> >> >> >>was
>>> >> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking
>>> >> >> > caliper.
>>> >> >> > They
>>> >> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper.
>>> >> >> > Surprised
>>> >> >> > this
>>> >> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real
>>> >> >> > clue
>>> >> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
>>> >> >> > --
>>> >> >> > Old Crow
>>> >> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
>>> >> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
>>> >> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
>>> >> >> > "There's only 1 RE"
>
>
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Re: Front brakes dragging
Billy Ray,
It would be useful to the thread if all the relevant info was at least
referred to. Posting the manual is overkill but everyone knowing the
fact that he has the data would save a lot of trying to explain some
specifics to him.
When strange crap stats happening, we all could benefit by the process
of trying to figure it out all together rather than ten different things
being posted and acted on unknown to everyone else. It then can get
extremely confusing, especially for the poor OP.
Mike
billy ray wrote:
>
> I sent him, directly, some relevant pages from the service manual in PDF
> format. Should I have typed them all out and posted the information here?
> How would I have handled the diagrams?
>
> I told him I, as a non-mechanic, suspected the caliper but that more
> seasoned heads would offer more expert advise.
>
> I also suggested obtaining a build sheet which is something I would suggest
> to anyone who wanted to know what components were installed at the factory.
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:tbZuf.47$Kp.46@southeast.rr.com...
> > Agreed, his prop valve is fine. We should find out more soon, if he posts
> > his results.
> >
> > Spdloader
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:43BC5585.340892D@sympatico.ca...
> >> Well, I do have my moments, LOL.
> >>
> >> I was just a bit frustrated this morning wading through 4 days of mostly
> >> crap for posts, then figure ah, one to answer only to find out nope,
> >> been done on the quiet....
> >>
> >> His brake failure light is/was on for a reason. It means it sees a
> >> pressure difference between the front and rear brakes. I have never
> >> heard of directly bleeding a modern prop valve. If they can't be bled
> >> at the wheels by holding the pin or if they are the 'new' ones with no
> >> pin, then if they fail, they are dead. I doubt his has failed.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Spdloader wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake
> >>> line,
> >>> then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record of
> >>> it
> >>> for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose
> >>> didn't
> >>> paste.
> >>>
> >>> That's my fault for poor editing.
> >>>
> >>> Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I suspect
> >>> the
> >>> caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back with
> >>> a C
> >>> clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but I
> >>> would
> >>> never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
> >>> proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem as
> >>> well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.
> >>>
> >>> Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed
> >>> now,
> >>>
> >>> ...and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".
> >>>
> >>> Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but you
> >>> have
> >>> to earn it.
> >>>
> >>> lol
> >>>
> >>> Spdloader
> >>>
> >>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>> news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
> >>> > Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
> >>> > happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to
> >>> > get
> >>> > resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
> >>> > given out because only half the story was public....
> >>> >
> >>> > That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
> >>> >
> >>> > So I'll ask again nicely.
> >>> >
> >>> > Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
> >>> >
> >>> > Mike
> >>> >
> >>> > Spdloader wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are
> >>> >> more
> >>> >> comfortable that way.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Spdloader
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>> >> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
> >>> >> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
> >>> >> > email?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Mike
> >>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>> >> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> >>> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Spdloader wrote:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Spdloader
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>> >> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
> >>> >> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com>
> >>> >> >> > wrote:
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the
> >>> >> >> >>bolt at
> >>> >> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
> >>> >> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and
> >>> >> >> >>had
> >>> >> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened
> >>> >> >> >>the
> >>> >> >> >>bolt
> >>> >> >> >>up.
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake
> >>> >> >> >>still
> >>> >> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only
> >>> >> >> >>the
> >>> >> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would
> >>> >> >> >>expect
> >>> >> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad
> >>> >> >> >>caliper/piston.
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more
> >>> >> >> >>and
> >>> >> >> >>the
> >>> >> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the
> >>> >> >> >>MC
> >>> >> >> >>cover
> >>> >> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too
> >>> >> >> >>thick?
> >>> >> >> >>With
> >>> >> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag
> >>> >> >> >>was
> >>> >> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking
> >>> >> >> > caliper.
> >>> >> >> > They
> >>> >> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper.
> >>> >> >> > Surprised
> >>> >> >> > this
> >>> >> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real
> >>> >> >> > clue
> >>> >> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
> >>> >> >> > --
> >>> >> >> > Old Crow
> >>> >> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> >>> >> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
> >>> >> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
> >>> >> >> > "There's only 1 RE"
> >
> >
It would be useful to the thread if all the relevant info was at least
referred to. Posting the manual is overkill but everyone knowing the
fact that he has the data would save a lot of trying to explain some
specifics to him.
When strange crap stats happening, we all could benefit by the process
of trying to figure it out all together rather than ten different things
being posted and acted on unknown to everyone else. It then can get
extremely confusing, especially for the poor OP.
Mike
billy ray wrote:
>
> I sent him, directly, some relevant pages from the service manual in PDF
> format. Should I have typed them all out and posted the information here?
> How would I have handled the diagrams?
>
> I told him I, as a non-mechanic, suspected the caliper but that more
> seasoned heads would offer more expert advise.
>
> I also suggested obtaining a build sheet which is something I would suggest
> to anyone who wanted to know what components were installed at the factory.
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:tbZuf.47$Kp.46@southeast.rr.com...
> > Agreed, his prop valve is fine. We should find out more soon, if he posts
> > his results.
> >
> > Spdloader
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:43BC5585.340892D@sympatico.ca...
> >> Well, I do have my moments, LOL.
> >>
> >> I was just a bit frustrated this morning wading through 4 days of mostly
> >> crap for posts, then figure ah, one to answer only to find out nope,
> >> been done on the quiet....
> >>
> >> His brake failure light is/was on for a reason. It means it sees a
> >> pressure difference between the front and rear brakes. I have never
> >> heard of directly bleeding a modern prop valve. If they can't be bled
> >> at the wheels by holding the pin or if they are the 'new' ones with no
> >> pin, then if they fail, they are dead. I doubt his has failed.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Spdloader wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake
> >>> line,
> >>> then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record of
> >>> it
> >>> for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose
> >>> didn't
> >>> paste.
> >>>
> >>> That's my fault for poor editing.
> >>>
> >>> Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I suspect
> >>> the
> >>> caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back with
> >>> a C
> >>> clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but I
> >>> would
> >>> never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
> >>> proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem as
> >>> well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.
> >>>
> >>> Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed
> >>> now,
> >>>
> >>> ...and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".
> >>>
> >>> Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but you
> >>> have
> >>> to earn it.
> >>>
> >>> lol
> >>>
> >>> Spdloader
> >>>
> >>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>> news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
> >>> > Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
> >>> > happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to
> >>> > get
> >>> > resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
> >>> > given out because only half the story was public....
> >>> >
> >>> > That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
> >>> >
> >>> > So I'll ask again nicely.
> >>> >
> >>> > Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
> >>> >
> >>> > Mike
> >>> >
> >>> > Spdloader wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are
> >>> >> more
> >>> >> comfortable that way.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Spdloader
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>> >> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
> >>> >> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
> >>> >> > email?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Mike
> >>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>> >> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> >>> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Spdloader wrote:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Spdloader
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>> >> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
> >>> >> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com>
> >>> >> >> > wrote:
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the
> >>> >> >> >>bolt at
> >>> >> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
> >>> >> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and
> >>> >> >> >>had
> >>> >> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened
> >>> >> >> >>the
> >>> >> >> >>bolt
> >>> >> >> >>up.
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake
> >>> >> >> >>still
> >>> >> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only
> >>> >> >> >>the
> >>> >> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would
> >>> >> >> >>expect
> >>> >> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad
> >>> >> >> >>caliper/piston.
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more
> >>> >> >> >>and
> >>> >> >> >>the
> >>> >> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the
> >>> >> >> >>MC
> >>> >> >> >>cover
> >>> >> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too
> >>> >> >> >>thick?
> >>> >> >> >>With
> >>> >> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag
> >>> >> >> >>was
> >>> >> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking
> >>> >> >> > caliper.
> >>> >> >> > They
> >>> >> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper.
> >>> >> >> > Surprised
> >>> >> >> > this
> >>> >> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real
> >>> >> >> > clue
> >>> >> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
> >>> >> >> > --
> >>> >> >> > Old Crow
> >>> >> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> >>> >> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
> >>> >> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
> >>> >> >> > "There's only 1 RE"
> >
> >
#57
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Front brakes dragging
Billy Ray,
It would be useful to the thread if all the relevant info was at least
referred to. Posting the manual is overkill but everyone knowing the
fact that he has the data would save a lot of trying to explain some
specifics to him.
When strange crap stats happening, we all could benefit by the process
of trying to figure it out all together rather than ten different things
being posted and acted on unknown to everyone else. It then can get
extremely confusing, especially for the poor OP.
Mike
billy ray wrote:
>
> I sent him, directly, some relevant pages from the service manual in PDF
> format. Should I have typed them all out and posted the information here?
> How would I have handled the diagrams?
>
> I told him I, as a non-mechanic, suspected the caliper but that more
> seasoned heads would offer more expert advise.
>
> I also suggested obtaining a build sheet which is something I would suggest
> to anyone who wanted to know what components were installed at the factory.
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:tbZuf.47$Kp.46@southeast.rr.com...
> > Agreed, his prop valve is fine. We should find out more soon, if he posts
> > his results.
> >
> > Spdloader
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:43BC5585.340892D@sympatico.ca...
> >> Well, I do have my moments, LOL.
> >>
> >> I was just a bit frustrated this morning wading through 4 days of mostly
> >> crap for posts, then figure ah, one to answer only to find out nope,
> >> been done on the quiet....
> >>
> >> His brake failure light is/was on for a reason. It means it sees a
> >> pressure difference between the front and rear brakes. I have never
> >> heard of directly bleeding a modern prop valve. If they can't be bled
> >> at the wheels by holding the pin or if they are the 'new' ones with no
> >> pin, then if they fail, they are dead. I doubt his has failed.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Spdloader wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake
> >>> line,
> >>> then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record of
> >>> it
> >>> for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose
> >>> didn't
> >>> paste.
> >>>
> >>> That's my fault for poor editing.
> >>>
> >>> Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I suspect
> >>> the
> >>> caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back with
> >>> a C
> >>> clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but I
> >>> would
> >>> never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
> >>> proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem as
> >>> well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.
> >>>
> >>> Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed
> >>> now,
> >>>
> >>> ...and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".
> >>>
> >>> Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but you
> >>> have
> >>> to earn it.
> >>>
> >>> lol
> >>>
> >>> Spdloader
> >>>
> >>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>> news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
> >>> > Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
> >>> > happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to
> >>> > get
> >>> > resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
> >>> > given out because only half the story was public....
> >>> >
> >>> > That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
> >>> >
> >>> > So I'll ask again nicely.
> >>> >
> >>> > Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
> >>> >
> >>> > Mike
> >>> >
> >>> > Spdloader wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are
> >>> >> more
> >>> >> comfortable that way.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Spdloader
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>> >> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
> >>> >> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
> >>> >> > email?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Mike
> >>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>> >> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> >>> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Spdloader wrote:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Spdloader
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>> >> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
> >>> >> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com>
> >>> >> >> > wrote:
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the
> >>> >> >> >>bolt at
> >>> >> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
> >>> >> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and
> >>> >> >> >>had
> >>> >> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened
> >>> >> >> >>the
> >>> >> >> >>bolt
> >>> >> >> >>up.
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake
> >>> >> >> >>still
> >>> >> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only
> >>> >> >> >>the
> >>> >> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would
> >>> >> >> >>expect
> >>> >> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad
> >>> >> >> >>caliper/piston.
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more
> >>> >> >> >>and
> >>> >> >> >>the
> >>> >> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the
> >>> >> >> >>MC
> >>> >> >> >>cover
> >>> >> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too
> >>> >> >> >>thick?
> >>> >> >> >>With
> >>> >> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag
> >>> >> >> >>was
> >>> >> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking
> >>> >> >> > caliper.
> >>> >> >> > They
> >>> >> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper.
> >>> >> >> > Surprised
> >>> >> >> > this
> >>> >> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real
> >>> >> >> > clue
> >>> >> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
> >>> >> >> > --
> >>> >> >> > Old Crow
> >>> >> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> >>> >> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
> >>> >> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
> >>> >> >> > "There's only 1 RE"
> >
> >
It would be useful to the thread if all the relevant info was at least
referred to. Posting the manual is overkill but everyone knowing the
fact that he has the data would save a lot of trying to explain some
specifics to him.
When strange crap stats happening, we all could benefit by the process
of trying to figure it out all together rather than ten different things
being posted and acted on unknown to everyone else. It then can get
extremely confusing, especially for the poor OP.
Mike
billy ray wrote:
>
> I sent him, directly, some relevant pages from the service manual in PDF
> format. Should I have typed them all out and posted the information here?
> How would I have handled the diagrams?
>
> I told him I, as a non-mechanic, suspected the caliper but that more
> seasoned heads would offer more expert advise.
>
> I also suggested obtaining a build sheet which is something I would suggest
> to anyone who wanted to know what components were installed at the factory.
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:tbZuf.47$Kp.46@southeast.rr.com...
> > Agreed, his prop valve is fine. We should find out more soon, if he posts
> > his results.
> >
> > Spdloader
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:43BC5585.340892D@sympatico.ca...
> >> Well, I do have my moments, LOL.
> >>
> >> I was just a bit frustrated this morning wading through 4 days of mostly
> >> crap for posts, then figure ah, one to answer only to find out nope,
> >> been done on the quiet....
> >>
> >> His brake failure light is/was on for a reason. It means it sees a
> >> pressure difference between the front and rear brakes. I have never
> >> heard of directly bleeding a modern prop valve. If they can't be bled
> >> at the wheels by holding the pin or if they are the 'new' ones with no
> >> pin, then if they fail, they are dead. I doubt his has failed.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Spdloader wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake
> >>> line,
> >>> then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record of
> >>> it
> >>> for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose
> >>> didn't
> >>> paste.
> >>>
> >>> That's my fault for poor editing.
> >>>
> >>> Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I suspect
> >>> the
> >>> caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back with
> >>> a C
> >>> clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but I
> >>> would
> >>> never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
> >>> proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem as
> >>> well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.
> >>>
> >>> Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed
> >>> now,
> >>>
> >>> ...and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".
> >>>
> >>> Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but you
> >>> have
> >>> to earn it.
> >>>
> >>> lol
> >>>
> >>> Spdloader
> >>>
> >>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>> news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
> >>> > Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
> >>> > happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to
> >>> > get
> >>> > resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
> >>> > given out because only half the story was public....
> >>> >
> >>> > That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
> >>> >
> >>> > So I'll ask again nicely.
> >>> >
> >>> > Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
> >>> >
> >>> > Mike
> >>> >
> >>> > Spdloader wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are
> >>> >> more
> >>> >> comfortable that way.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Spdloader
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>> >> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
> >>> >> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
> >>> >> > email?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Mike
> >>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>> >> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> >>> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Spdloader wrote:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Spdloader
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>> >> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
> >>> >> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com>
> >>> >> >> > wrote:
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the
> >>> >> >> >>bolt at
> >>> >> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
> >>> >> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and
> >>> >> >> >>had
> >>> >> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened
> >>> >> >> >>the
> >>> >> >> >>bolt
> >>> >> >> >>up.
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake
> >>> >> >> >>still
> >>> >> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only
> >>> >> >> >>the
> >>> >> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would
> >>> >> >> >>expect
> >>> >> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad
> >>> >> >> >>caliper/piston.
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more
> >>> >> >> >>and
> >>> >> >> >>the
> >>> >> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the
> >>> >> >> >>MC
> >>> >> >> >>cover
> >>> >> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too
> >>> >> >> >>thick?
> >>> >> >> >>With
> >>> >> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag
> >>> >> >> >>was
> >>> >> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking
> >>> >> >> > caliper.
> >>> >> >> > They
> >>> >> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper.
> >>> >> >> > Surprised
> >>> >> >> > this
> >>> >> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real
> >>> >> >> > clue
> >>> >> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
> >>> >> >> > --
> >>> >> >> > Old Crow
> >>> >> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> >>> >> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
> >>> >> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
> >>> >> >> > "There's only 1 RE"
> >
> >
#58
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Front brakes dragging
Billy Ray,
It would be useful to the thread if all the relevant info was at least
referred to. Posting the manual is overkill but everyone knowing the
fact that he has the data would save a lot of trying to explain some
specifics to him.
When strange crap stats happening, we all could benefit by the process
of trying to figure it out all together rather than ten different things
being posted and acted on unknown to everyone else. It then can get
extremely confusing, especially for the poor OP.
Mike
billy ray wrote:
>
> I sent him, directly, some relevant pages from the service manual in PDF
> format. Should I have typed them all out and posted the information here?
> How would I have handled the diagrams?
>
> I told him I, as a non-mechanic, suspected the caliper but that more
> seasoned heads would offer more expert advise.
>
> I also suggested obtaining a build sheet which is something I would suggest
> to anyone who wanted to know what components were installed at the factory.
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:tbZuf.47$Kp.46@southeast.rr.com...
> > Agreed, his prop valve is fine. We should find out more soon, if he posts
> > his results.
> >
> > Spdloader
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:43BC5585.340892D@sympatico.ca...
> >> Well, I do have my moments, LOL.
> >>
> >> I was just a bit frustrated this morning wading through 4 days of mostly
> >> crap for posts, then figure ah, one to answer only to find out nope,
> >> been done on the quiet....
> >>
> >> His brake failure light is/was on for a reason. It means it sees a
> >> pressure difference between the front and rear brakes. I have never
> >> heard of directly bleeding a modern prop valve. If they can't be bled
> >> at the wheels by holding the pin or if they are the 'new' ones with no
> >> pin, then if they fail, they are dead. I doubt his has failed.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Spdloader wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake
> >>> line,
> >>> then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record of
> >>> it
> >>> for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose
> >>> didn't
> >>> paste.
> >>>
> >>> That's my fault for poor editing.
> >>>
> >>> Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I suspect
> >>> the
> >>> caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back with
> >>> a C
> >>> clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but I
> >>> would
> >>> never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
> >>> proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem as
> >>> well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.
> >>>
> >>> Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed
> >>> now,
> >>>
> >>> ...and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".
> >>>
> >>> Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but you
> >>> have
> >>> to earn it.
> >>>
> >>> lol
> >>>
> >>> Spdloader
> >>>
> >>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>> news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
> >>> > Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
> >>> > happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to
> >>> > get
> >>> > resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
> >>> > given out because only half the story was public....
> >>> >
> >>> > That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
> >>> >
> >>> > So I'll ask again nicely.
> >>> >
> >>> > Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
> >>> >
> >>> > Mike
> >>> >
> >>> > Spdloader wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are
> >>> >> more
> >>> >> comfortable that way.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Spdloader
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>> >> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
> >>> >> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
> >>> >> > email?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Mike
> >>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>> >> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> >>> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Spdloader wrote:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Spdloader
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>> >> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
> >>> >> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com>
> >>> >> >> > wrote:
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the
> >>> >> >> >>bolt at
> >>> >> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
> >>> >> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and
> >>> >> >> >>had
> >>> >> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened
> >>> >> >> >>the
> >>> >> >> >>bolt
> >>> >> >> >>up.
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake
> >>> >> >> >>still
> >>> >> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only
> >>> >> >> >>the
> >>> >> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would
> >>> >> >> >>expect
> >>> >> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad
> >>> >> >> >>caliper/piston.
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more
> >>> >> >> >>and
> >>> >> >> >>the
> >>> >> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the
> >>> >> >> >>MC
> >>> >> >> >>cover
> >>> >> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too
> >>> >> >> >>thick?
> >>> >> >> >>With
> >>> >> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag
> >>> >> >> >>was
> >>> >> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking
> >>> >> >> > caliper.
> >>> >> >> > They
> >>> >> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper.
> >>> >> >> > Surprised
> >>> >> >> > this
> >>> >> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real
> >>> >> >> > clue
> >>> >> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
> >>> >> >> > --
> >>> >> >> > Old Crow
> >>> >> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> >>> >> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
> >>> >> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
> >>> >> >> > "There's only 1 RE"
> >
> >
It would be useful to the thread if all the relevant info was at least
referred to. Posting the manual is overkill but everyone knowing the
fact that he has the data would save a lot of trying to explain some
specifics to him.
When strange crap stats happening, we all could benefit by the process
of trying to figure it out all together rather than ten different things
being posted and acted on unknown to everyone else. It then can get
extremely confusing, especially for the poor OP.
Mike
billy ray wrote:
>
> I sent him, directly, some relevant pages from the service manual in PDF
> format. Should I have typed them all out and posted the information here?
> How would I have handled the diagrams?
>
> I told him I, as a non-mechanic, suspected the caliper but that more
> seasoned heads would offer more expert advise.
>
> I also suggested obtaining a build sheet which is something I would suggest
> to anyone who wanted to know what components were installed at the factory.
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:tbZuf.47$Kp.46@southeast.rr.com...
> > Agreed, his prop valve is fine. We should find out more soon, if he posts
> > his results.
> >
> > Spdloader
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:43BC5585.340892D@sympatico.ca...
> >> Well, I do have my moments, LOL.
> >>
> >> I was just a bit frustrated this morning wading through 4 days of mostly
> >> crap for posts, then figure ah, one to answer only to find out nope,
> >> been done on the quiet....
> >>
> >> His brake failure light is/was on for a reason. It means it sees a
> >> pressure difference between the front and rear brakes. I have never
> >> heard of directly bleeding a modern prop valve. If they can't be bled
> >> at the wheels by holding the pin or if they are the 'new' ones with no
> >> pin, then if they fail, they are dead. I doubt his has failed.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Spdloader wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake
> >>> line,
> >>> then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record of
> >>> it
> >>> for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose
> >>> didn't
> >>> paste.
> >>>
> >>> That's my fault for poor editing.
> >>>
> >>> Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I suspect
> >>> the
> >>> caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back with
> >>> a C
> >>> clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but I
> >>> would
> >>> never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
> >>> proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem as
> >>> well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.
> >>>
> >>> Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed
> >>> now,
> >>>
> >>> ...and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".
> >>>
> >>> Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but you
> >>> have
> >>> to earn it.
> >>>
> >>> lol
> >>>
> >>> Spdloader
> >>>
> >>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>> news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
> >>> > Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
> >>> > happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to
> >>> > get
> >>> > resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
> >>> > given out because only half the story was public....
> >>> >
> >>> > That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
> >>> >
> >>> > So I'll ask again nicely.
> >>> >
> >>> > Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
> >>> >
> >>> > Mike
> >>> >
> >>> > Spdloader wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are
> >>> >> more
> >>> >> comfortable that way.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Spdloader
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>> >> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
> >>> >> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
> >>> >> > email?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Mike
> >>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>> >> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> >>> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Spdloader wrote:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Spdloader
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>> >> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
> >>> >> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com>
> >>> >> >> > wrote:
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the
> >>> >> >> >>bolt at
> >>> >> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
> >>> >> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and
> >>> >> >> >>had
> >>> >> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened
> >>> >> >> >>the
> >>> >> >> >>bolt
> >>> >> >> >>up.
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake
> >>> >> >> >>still
> >>> >> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only
> >>> >> >> >>the
> >>> >> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would
> >>> >> >> >>expect
> >>> >> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad
> >>> >> >> >>caliper/piston.
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more
> >>> >> >> >>and
> >>> >> >> >>the
> >>> >> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the
> >>> >> >> >>MC
> >>> >> >> >>cover
> >>> >> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too
> >>> >> >> >>thick?
> >>> >> >> >>With
> >>> >> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag
> >>> >> >> >>was
> >>> >> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking
> >>> >> >> > caliper.
> >>> >> >> > They
> >>> >> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper.
> >>> >> >> > Surprised
> >>> >> >> > this
> >>> >> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real
> >>> >> >> > clue
> >>> >> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
> >>> >> >> > --
> >>> >> >> > Old Crow
> >>> >> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> >>> >> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
> >>> >> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
> >>> >> >> > "There's only 1 RE"
> >
> >
#59
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Posts: n/a
Re: Front brakes dragging
You can't always tell if the information you send actually gets to the OP.
Use of non-existent e-address are quite common to the NG. I have not
received any reply to a question from him so I cannot say that he received
it.
Your point is well taken, if he has access to the manual then he has a good
reference of which the NG is unaware.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43BC6C9C.9815CF0C@sympatico.ca...
> Billy Ray,
>
> It would be useful to the thread if all the relevant info was at least
> referred to. Posting the manual is overkill but everyone knowing the
> fact that he has the data would save a lot of trying to explain some
> specifics to him.
>
> When strange crap stats happening, we all could benefit by the process
> of trying to figure it out all together rather than ten different things
> being posted and acted on unknown to everyone else. It then can get
> extremely confusing, especially for the poor OP.
>
> Mike
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> I sent him, directly, some relevant pages from the service manual in PDF
>> format. Should I have typed them all out and posted the information
>> here?
>> How would I have handled the diagrams?
>>
>> I told him I, as a non-mechanic, suspected the caliper but that more
>> seasoned heads would offer more expert advise.
>>
>> I also suggested obtaining a build sheet which is something I would
>> suggest
>> to anyone who wanted to know what components were installed at the
>> factory.
>>
>> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:tbZuf.47$Kp.46@southeast.rr.com...
>> > Agreed, his prop valve is fine. We should find out more soon, if he
>> > posts
>> > his results.
>> >
>> > Spdloader
>> >
>> >
>> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:43BC5585.340892D@sympatico.ca...
>> >> Well, I do have my moments, LOL.
>> >>
>> >> I was just a bit frustrated this morning wading through 4 days of
>> >> mostly
>> >> crap for posts, then figure ah, one to answer only to find out nope,
>> >> been done on the quiet....
>> >>
>> >> His brake failure light is/was on for a reason. It means it sees a
>> >> pressure difference between the front and rear brakes. I have never
>> >> heard of directly bleeding a modern prop valve. If they can't be bled
>> >> at the wheels by holding the pin or if they are the 'new' ones with no
>> >> pin, then if they fail, they are dead. I doubt his has failed.
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >>
>> >> Spdloader wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake
>> >>> line,
>> >>> then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record
>> >>> of
>> >>> it
>> >>> for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose
>> >>> didn't
>> >>> paste.
>> >>>
>> >>> That's my fault for poor editing.
>> >>>
>> >>> Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I
>> >>> suspect
>> >>> the
>> >>> caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back
>> >>> with
>> >>> a C
>> >>> clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but
>> >>> I
>> >>> would
>> >>> never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
>> >>> proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem
>> >>> as
>> >>> well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.
>> >>>
>> >>> Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed
>> >>> now,
>> >>>
>> >>> ...and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".
>> >>>
>> >>> Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but
>> >>> you
>> >>> have
>> >>> to earn it.
>> >>>
>> >>> lol
>> >>>
>> >>> Spdloader
>> >>>
>> >>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >>> news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
>> >>> > Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
>> >>> > happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > get
>> >>> > resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
>> >>> > given out because only half the story was public....
>> >>> >
>> >>> > That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > So I'll ask again nicely.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Mike
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks
>> >>> >> are
>> >>> >> more
>> >>> >> comfortable that way.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Spdloader
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >>> >> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
>> >>> >> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to
>> >>> >> > private
>> >>> >> > email?
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Mike
>> >>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >>> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> >>> >> > Aug./05
>> >>> >> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> >>> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> Spdloader
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >>> >> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
>> >>> >> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com>
>> >>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the
>> >>> >> >> >>bolt at
>> >>> >> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned
>> >>> >> >> >>and
>> >>> >> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in
>> >>> >> >> >>and
>> >>> >> >> >>had
>> >>> >> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened
>> >>> >> >> >>the
>> >>> >> >> >>bolt
>> >>> >> >> >>up.
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the
>> >>> >> >> >>brake
>> >>> >> >> >>still
>> >>> >> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really
>> >>> >> >> >>only
>> >>> >> >> >>the
>> >>> >> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would
>> >>> >> >> >>expect
>> >>> >> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad
>> >>> >> >> >>caliper/piston.
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little
>> >>> >> >> >>more
>> >>> >> >> >>and
>> >>> >> >> >>the
>> >>> >> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace
>> >>> >> >> >>the
>> >>> >> >> >>MC
>> >>> >> >> >>cover
>> >>> >> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too
>> >>> >> >> >>thick?
>> >>> >> >> >>With
>> >>> >> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the
>> >>> >> >> >>drag
>> >>> >> >> >>was
>> >>> >> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking
>> >>> >> >> > caliper.
>> >>> >> >> > They
>> >>> >> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper.
>> >>> >> >> > Surprised
>> >>> >> >> > this
>> >>> >> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the
>> >>> >> >> > real
>> >>> >> >> > clue
>> >>> >> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
>> >>> >> >> > --
>> >>> >> >> > Old Crow
>> >>> >> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
>> >>> >> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
>> >>> >> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
>> >>> >> >> > "There's only 1 RE"
>> >
>> >
Use of non-existent e-address are quite common to the NG. I have not
received any reply to a question from him so I cannot say that he received
it.
Your point is well taken, if he has access to the manual then he has a good
reference of which the NG is unaware.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43BC6C9C.9815CF0C@sympatico.ca...
> Billy Ray,
>
> It would be useful to the thread if all the relevant info was at least
> referred to. Posting the manual is overkill but everyone knowing the
> fact that he has the data would save a lot of trying to explain some
> specifics to him.
>
> When strange crap stats happening, we all could benefit by the process
> of trying to figure it out all together rather than ten different things
> being posted and acted on unknown to everyone else. It then can get
> extremely confusing, especially for the poor OP.
>
> Mike
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> I sent him, directly, some relevant pages from the service manual in PDF
>> format. Should I have typed them all out and posted the information
>> here?
>> How would I have handled the diagrams?
>>
>> I told him I, as a non-mechanic, suspected the caliper but that more
>> seasoned heads would offer more expert advise.
>>
>> I also suggested obtaining a build sheet which is something I would
>> suggest
>> to anyone who wanted to know what components were installed at the
>> factory.
>>
>> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:tbZuf.47$Kp.46@southeast.rr.com...
>> > Agreed, his prop valve is fine. We should find out more soon, if he
>> > posts
>> > his results.
>> >
>> > Spdloader
>> >
>> >
>> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:43BC5585.340892D@sympatico.ca...
>> >> Well, I do have my moments, LOL.
>> >>
>> >> I was just a bit frustrated this morning wading through 4 days of
>> >> mostly
>> >> crap for posts, then figure ah, one to answer only to find out nope,
>> >> been done on the quiet....
>> >>
>> >> His brake failure light is/was on for a reason. It means it sees a
>> >> pressure difference between the front and rear brakes. I have never
>> >> heard of directly bleeding a modern prop valve. If they can't be bled
>> >> at the wheels by holding the pin or if they are the 'new' ones with no
>> >> pin, then if they fail, they are dead. I doubt his has failed.
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >>
>> >> Spdloader wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake
>> >>> line,
>> >>> then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record
>> >>> of
>> >>> it
>> >>> for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose
>> >>> didn't
>> >>> paste.
>> >>>
>> >>> That's my fault for poor editing.
>> >>>
>> >>> Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I
>> >>> suspect
>> >>> the
>> >>> caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back
>> >>> with
>> >>> a C
>> >>> clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but
>> >>> I
>> >>> would
>> >>> never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
>> >>> proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem
>> >>> as
>> >>> well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.
>> >>>
>> >>> Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed
>> >>> now,
>> >>>
>> >>> ...and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".
>> >>>
>> >>> Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but
>> >>> you
>> >>> have
>> >>> to earn it.
>> >>>
>> >>> lol
>> >>>
>> >>> Spdloader
>> >>>
>> >>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >>> news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
>> >>> > Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
>> >>> > happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > get
>> >>> > resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
>> >>> > given out because only half the story was public....
>> >>> >
>> >>> > That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > So I'll ask again nicely.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Mike
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks
>> >>> >> are
>> >>> >> more
>> >>> >> comfortable that way.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Spdloader
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >>> >> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
>> >>> >> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to
>> >>> >> > private
>> >>> >> > email?
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Mike
>> >>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >>> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> >>> >> > Aug./05
>> >>> >> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> >>> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> Spdloader
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >>> >> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
>> >>> >> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com>
>> >>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the
>> >>> >> >> >>bolt at
>> >>> >> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned
>> >>> >> >> >>and
>> >>> >> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in
>> >>> >> >> >>and
>> >>> >> >> >>had
>> >>> >> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened
>> >>> >> >> >>the
>> >>> >> >> >>bolt
>> >>> >> >> >>up.
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the
>> >>> >> >> >>brake
>> >>> >> >> >>still
>> >>> >> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really
>> >>> >> >> >>only
>> >>> >> >> >>the
>> >>> >> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would
>> >>> >> >> >>expect
>> >>> >> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad
>> >>> >> >> >>caliper/piston.
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little
>> >>> >> >> >>more
>> >>> >> >> >>and
>> >>> >> >> >>the
>> >>> >> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace
>> >>> >> >> >>the
>> >>> >> >> >>MC
>> >>> >> >> >>cover
>> >>> >> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too
>> >>> >> >> >>thick?
>> >>> >> >> >>With
>> >>> >> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the
>> >>> >> >> >>drag
>> >>> >> >> >>was
>> >>> >> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking
>> >>> >> >> > caliper.
>> >>> >> >> > They
>> >>> >> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper.
>> >>> >> >> > Surprised
>> >>> >> >> > this
>> >>> >> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the
>> >>> >> >> > real
>> >>> >> >> > clue
>> >>> >> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
>> >>> >> >> > --
>> >>> >> >> > Old Crow
>> >>> >> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
>> >>> >> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
>> >>> >> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
>> >>> >> >> > "There's only 1 RE"
>> >
>> >
#60
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Front brakes dragging
You can't always tell if the information you send actually gets to the OP.
Use of non-existent e-address are quite common to the NG. I have not
received any reply to a question from him so I cannot say that he received
it.
Your point is well taken, if he has access to the manual then he has a good
reference of which the NG is unaware.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43BC6C9C.9815CF0C@sympatico.ca...
> Billy Ray,
>
> It would be useful to the thread if all the relevant info was at least
> referred to. Posting the manual is overkill but everyone knowing the
> fact that he has the data would save a lot of trying to explain some
> specifics to him.
>
> When strange crap stats happening, we all could benefit by the process
> of trying to figure it out all together rather than ten different things
> being posted and acted on unknown to everyone else. It then can get
> extremely confusing, especially for the poor OP.
>
> Mike
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> I sent him, directly, some relevant pages from the service manual in PDF
>> format. Should I have typed them all out and posted the information
>> here?
>> How would I have handled the diagrams?
>>
>> I told him I, as a non-mechanic, suspected the caliper but that more
>> seasoned heads would offer more expert advise.
>>
>> I also suggested obtaining a build sheet which is something I would
>> suggest
>> to anyone who wanted to know what components were installed at the
>> factory.
>>
>> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:tbZuf.47$Kp.46@southeast.rr.com...
>> > Agreed, his prop valve is fine. We should find out more soon, if he
>> > posts
>> > his results.
>> >
>> > Spdloader
>> >
>> >
>> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:43BC5585.340892D@sympatico.ca...
>> >> Well, I do have my moments, LOL.
>> >>
>> >> I was just a bit frustrated this morning wading through 4 days of
>> >> mostly
>> >> crap for posts, then figure ah, one to answer only to find out nope,
>> >> been done on the quiet....
>> >>
>> >> His brake failure light is/was on for a reason. It means it sees a
>> >> pressure difference between the front and rear brakes. I have never
>> >> heard of directly bleeding a modern prop valve. If they can't be bled
>> >> at the wheels by holding the pin or if they are the 'new' ones with no
>> >> pin, then if they fail, they are dead. I doubt his has failed.
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >>
>> >> Spdloader wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake
>> >>> line,
>> >>> then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record
>> >>> of
>> >>> it
>> >>> for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose
>> >>> didn't
>> >>> paste.
>> >>>
>> >>> That's my fault for poor editing.
>> >>>
>> >>> Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I
>> >>> suspect
>> >>> the
>> >>> caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back
>> >>> with
>> >>> a C
>> >>> clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but
>> >>> I
>> >>> would
>> >>> never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
>> >>> proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem
>> >>> as
>> >>> well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.
>> >>>
>> >>> Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed
>> >>> now,
>> >>>
>> >>> ...and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".
>> >>>
>> >>> Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but
>> >>> you
>> >>> have
>> >>> to earn it.
>> >>>
>> >>> lol
>> >>>
>> >>> Spdloader
>> >>>
>> >>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >>> news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
>> >>> > Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
>> >>> > happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > get
>> >>> > resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
>> >>> > given out because only half the story was public....
>> >>> >
>> >>> > That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > So I'll ask again nicely.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Mike
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks
>> >>> >> are
>> >>> >> more
>> >>> >> comfortable that way.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Spdloader
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >>> >> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
>> >>> >> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to
>> >>> >> > private
>> >>> >> > email?
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Mike
>> >>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >>> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> >>> >> > Aug./05
>> >>> >> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> >>> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> Spdloader
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >>> >> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
>> >>> >> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com>
>> >>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the
>> >>> >> >> >>bolt at
>> >>> >> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned
>> >>> >> >> >>and
>> >>> >> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in
>> >>> >> >> >>and
>> >>> >> >> >>had
>> >>> >> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened
>> >>> >> >> >>the
>> >>> >> >> >>bolt
>> >>> >> >> >>up.
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the
>> >>> >> >> >>brake
>> >>> >> >> >>still
>> >>> >> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really
>> >>> >> >> >>only
>> >>> >> >> >>the
>> >>> >> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would
>> >>> >> >> >>expect
>> >>> >> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad
>> >>> >> >> >>caliper/piston.
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little
>> >>> >> >> >>more
>> >>> >> >> >>and
>> >>> >> >> >>the
>> >>> >> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace
>> >>> >> >> >>the
>> >>> >> >> >>MC
>> >>> >> >> >>cover
>> >>> >> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too
>> >>> >> >> >>thick?
>> >>> >> >> >>With
>> >>> >> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the
>> >>> >> >> >>drag
>> >>> >> >> >>was
>> >>> >> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking
>> >>> >> >> > caliper.
>> >>> >> >> > They
>> >>> >> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper.
>> >>> >> >> > Surprised
>> >>> >> >> > this
>> >>> >> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the
>> >>> >> >> > real
>> >>> >> >> > clue
>> >>> >> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
>> >>> >> >> > --
>> >>> >> >> > Old Crow
>> >>> >> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
>> >>> >> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
>> >>> >> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
>> >>> >> >> > "There's only 1 RE"
>> >
>> >
Use of non-existent e-address are quite common to the NG. I have not
received any reply to a question from him so I cannot say that he received
it.
Your point is well taken, if he has access to the manual then he has a good
reference of which the NG is unaware.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43BC6C9C.9815CF0C@sympatico.ca...
> Billy Ray,
>
> It would be useful to the thread if all the relevant info was at least
> referred to. Posting the manual is overkill but everyone knowing the
> fact that he has the data would save a lot of trying to explain some
> specifics to him.
>
> When strange crap stats happening, we all could benefit by the process
> of trying to figure it out all together rather than ten different things
> being posted and acted on unknown to everyone else. It then can get
> extremely confusing, especially for the poor OP.
>
> Mike
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> I sent him, directly, some relevant pages from the service manual in PDF
>> format. Should I have typed them all out and posted the information
>> here?
>> How would I have handled the diagrams?
>>
>> I told him I, as a non-mechanic, suspected the caliper but that more
>> seasoned heads would offer more expert advise.
>>
>> I also suggested obtaining a build sheet which is something I would
>> suggest
>> to anyone who wanted to know what components were installed at the
>> factory.
>>
>> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:tbZuf.47$Kp.46@southeast.rr.com...
>> > Agreed, his prop valve is fine. We should find out more soon, if he
>> > posts
>> > his results.
>> >
>> > Spdloader
>> >
>> >
>> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:43BC5585.340892D@sympatico.ca...
>> >> Well, I do have my moments, LOL.
>> >>
>> >> I was just a bit frustrated this morning wading through 4 days of
>> >> mostly
>> >> crap for posts, then figure ah, one to answer only to find out nope,
>> >> been done on the quiet....
>> >>
>> >> His brake failure light is/was on for a reason. It means it sees a
>> >> pressure difference between the front and rear brakes. I have never
>> >> heard of directly bleeding a modern prop valve. If they can't be bled
>> >> at the wheels by holding the pin or if they are the 'new' ones with no
>> >> pin, then if they fail, they are dead. I doubt his has failed.
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >>
>> >> Spdloader wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake
>> >>> line,
>> >>> then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record
>> >>> of
>> >>> it
>> >>> for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose
>> >>> didn't
>> >>> paste.
>> >>>
>> >>> That's my fault for poor editing.
>> >>>
>> >>> Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I
>> >>> suspect
>> >>> the
>> >>> caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back
>> >>> with
>> >>> a C
>> >>> clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but
>> >>> I
>> >>> would
>> >>> never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
>> >>> proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem
>> >>> as
>> >>> well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.
>> >>>
>> >>> Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed
>> >>> now,
>> >>>
>> >>> ...and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".
>> >>>
>> >>> Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but
>> >>> you
>> >>> have
>> >>> to earn it.
>> >>>
>> >>> lol
>> >>>
>> >>> Spdloader
>> >>>
>> >>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >>> news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
>> >>> > Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
>> >>> > happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > get
>> >>> > resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
>> >>> > given out because only half the story was public....
>> >>> >
>> >>> > That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > So I'll ask again nicely.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Mike
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks
>> >>> >> are
>> >>> >> more
>> >>> >> comfortable that way.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Spdloader
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >>> >> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
>> >>> >> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to
>> >>> >> > private
>> >>> >> > email?
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Mike
>> >>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >>> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> >>> >> > Aug./05
>> >>> >> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> >>> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> Spdloader
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >>> >> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
>> >>> >> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com>
>> >>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the
>> >>> >> >> >>bolt at
>> >>> >> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned
>> >>> >> >> >>and
>> >>> >> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in
>> >>> >> >> >>and
>> >>> >> >> >>had
>> >>> >> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened
>> >>> >> >> >>the
>> >>> >> >> >>bolt
>> >>> >> >> >>up.
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the
>> >>> >> >> >>brake
>> >>> >> >> >>still
>> >>> >> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really
>> >>> >> >> >>only
>> >>> >> >> >>the
>> >>> >> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would
>> >>> >> >> >>expect
>> >>> >> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad
>> >>> >> >> >>caliper/piston.
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little
>> >>> >> >> >>more
>> >>> >> >> >>and
>> >>> >> >> >>the
>> >>> >> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace
>> >>> >> >> >>the
>> >>> >> >> >>MC
>> >>> >> >> >>cover
>> >>> >> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too
>> >>> >> >> >>thick?
>> >>> >> >> >>With
>> >>> >> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the
>> >>> >> >> >>drag
>> >>> >> >> >>was
>> >>> >> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking
>> >>> >> >> > caliper.
>> >>> >> >> > They
>> >>> >> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper.
>> >>> >> >> > Surprised
>> >>> >> >> > this
>> >>> >> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the
>> >>> >> >> > real
>> >>> >> >> > clue
>> >>> >> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
>> >>> >> >> > --
>> >>> >> >> > Old Crow
>> >>> >> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
>> >>> >> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
>> >>> >> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
>> >>> >> >> > "There's only 1 RE"
>> >
>> >