Re: Front brakes dragging
 

Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to get
resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
given out because only half the story was public....

That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.

So I'll ask again nicely.

Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?

Mike

Spdloader wrote:
>
> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
>
> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
>
> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are more
> comfortable that way.
>
> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
>
> Spdloader
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
> >
> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
> > email?
> >
> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
> >
> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Spdloader wrote:
> >>
> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
> >>
> >> Spdloader
> >>
> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the bolt at
> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and had
> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened the bolt
> >> >>up.
> >> >>
> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake still
> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only the
> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would expect
> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad caliper/piston.
> >> >>
> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more and the
> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the MC cover
> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
> >> >>
> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too thick? With
> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag was
> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
> >> >
> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking caliper. They
> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper. Surprised this
> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real clue
> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
> >> > --
> >> > Old Crow
> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
> >> > "There's only 1 RE"

Re: Front brakes dragging
 

Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to get
resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
given out because only half the story was public....

That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.

So I'll ask again nicely.

Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?

Mike

Spdloader wrote:
>
> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
>
> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
>
> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are more
> comfortable that way.
>
> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
>
> Spdloader
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
> >
> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
> > email?
> >
> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
> >
> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Spdloader wrote:
> >>
> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
> >>
> >> Spdloader
> >>
> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the bolt at
> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and had
> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened the bolt
> >> >>up.
> >> >>
> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake still
> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only the
> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would expect
> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad caliper/piston.
> >> >>
> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more and the
> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the MC cover
> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
> >> >>
> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too thick? With
> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag was
> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
> >> >
> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking caliper. They
> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper. Surprised this
> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real clue
> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
> >> > --
> >> > Old Crow
> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
> >> > "There's only 1 RE"

Re: Front brakes dragging
 

Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to get
resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
given out because only half the story was public....

That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.

So I'll ask again nicely.

Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?

Mike

Spdloader wrote:
>
> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
>
> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
>
> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are more
> comfortable that way.
>
> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
>
> Spdloader
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
> >
> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
> > email?
> >
> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
> >
> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Spdloader wrote:
> >>
> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
> >>
> >> Spdloader
> >>
> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the bolt at
> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and had
> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened the bolt
> >> >>up.
> >> >>
> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake still
> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only the
> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would expect
> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad caliper/piston.
> >> >>
> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more and the
> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the MC cover
> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
> >> >>
> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too thick? With
> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag was
> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
> >> >
> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking caliper. They
> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper. Surprised this
> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real clue
> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
> >> > --
> >> > Old Crow
> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
> >> > "There's only 1 RE"

Re: Front brakes dragging
 

Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake line,
then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record of it
for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose didn't
paste.

That's my fault for poor editing.

Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I suspect the
caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back with a C
clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but I would
never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem as
well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.

Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed now,

....and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".

Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but you have
to earn it.

lol

Spdloader






"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
> Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
> happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to get
> resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
> given out because only half the story was public....
>
> That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
>
> So I'll ask again nicely.
>
> Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
>
> Mike
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>>
>> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
>>
>> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
>>
>> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are more
>> comfortable that way.
>>
>> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
>> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
>> >
>> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
>> > email?
>> >
>> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
>> >
>> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >>
>> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
>> >>
>> >> Spdloader
>> >>
>> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
>> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the bolt at
>> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
>> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and had
>> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened the
>> >> >>bolt
>> >> >>up.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake still
>> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only the
>> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would expect
>> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad caliper/piston.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more and
>> >> >>the
>> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the MC
>> >> >>cover
>> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too thick?
>> >> >>With
>> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag was
>> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
>> >> >
>> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking caliper.
>> >> > They
>> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper. Surprised
>> >> > this
>> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real clue
>> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
>> >> > --
>> >> > Old Crow
>> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
>> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
>> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
>> >> > "There's only 1 RE"

Re: Front brakes dragging
 

Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake line,
then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record of it
for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose didn't
paste.

That's my fault for poor editing.

Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I suspect the
caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back with a C
clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but I would
never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem as
well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.

Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed now,

....and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".

Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but you have
to earn it.

lol

Spdloader






"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
> Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
> happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to get
> resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
> given out because only half the story was public....
>
> That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
>
> So I'll ask again nicely.
>
> Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
>
> Mike
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>>
>> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
>>
>> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
>>
>> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are more
>> comfortable that way.
>>
>> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
>> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
>> >
>> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
>> > email?
>> >
>> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
>> >
>> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >>
>> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
>> >>
>> >> Spdloader
>> >>
>> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
>> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the bolt at
>> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
>> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and had
>> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened the
>> >> >>bolt
>> >> >>up.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake still
>> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only the
>> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would expect
>> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad caliper/piston.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more and
>> >> >>the
>> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the MC
>> >> >>cover
>> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too thick?
>> >> >>With
>> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag was
>> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
>> >> >
>> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking caliper.
>> >> > They
>> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper. Surprised
>> >> > this
>> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real clue
>> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
>> >> > --
>> >> > Old Crow
>> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
>> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
>> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
>> >> > "There's only 1 RE"

Re: Front brakes dragging
 

Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake line,
then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record of it
for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose didn't
paste.

That's my fault for poor editing.

Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I suspect the
caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back with a C
clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but I would
never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem as
well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.

Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed now,

....and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".

Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but you have
to earn it.

lol

Spdloader






"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
> Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
> happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to get
> resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
> given out because only half the story was public....
>
> That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
>
> So I'll ask again nicely.
>
> Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
>
> Mike
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>>
>> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
>>
>> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
>>
>> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are more
>> comfortable that way.
>>
>> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
>> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
>> >
>> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
>> > email?
>> >
>> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
>> >
>> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >>
>> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
>> >>
>> >> Spdloader
>> >>
>> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
>> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the bolt at
>> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
>> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and had
>> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened the
>> >> >>bolt
>> >> >>up.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake still
>> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only the
>> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would expect
>> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad caliper/piston.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more and
>> >> >>the
>> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the MC
>> >> >>cover
>> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too thick?
>> >> >>With
>> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag was
>> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
>> >> >
>> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking caliper.
>> >> > They
>> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper. Surprised
>> >> > this
>> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real clue
>> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
>> >> > --
>> >> > Old Crow
>> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
>> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
>> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
>> >> > "There's only 1 RE"

Re: Front brakes dragging
 

Well, I do have my moments, LOL.

I was just a bit frustrated this morning wading through 4 days of mostly
crap for posts, then figure ah, one to answer only to find out nope,
been done on the quiet....

His brake failure light is/was on for a reason. It means it sees a
pressure difference between the front and rear brakes. I have never
heard of directly bleeding a modern prop valve. If they can't be bled
at the wheels by holding the pin or if they are the 'new' ones with no
pin, then if they fail, they are dead. I doubt his has failed.

Mike

Spdloader wrote:
>
> Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake line,
> then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record of it
> for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose didn't
> paste.
>
> That's my fault for poor editing.
>
> Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I suspect the
> caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back with a C
> clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but I would
> never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
> proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem as
> well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.
>
> Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed now,
>
> ...and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".
>
> Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but you have
> to earn it.
>
> lol
>
> Spdloader
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
> > Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
> > happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to get
> > resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
> > given out because only half the story was public....
> >
> > That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
> >
> > So I'll ask again nicely.
> >
> > Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Spdloader wrote:
> >>
> >> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
> >>
> >> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
> >>
> >> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are more
> >> comfortable that way.
> >>
> >> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
> >>
> >> Spdloader
> >>
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
> >> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
> >> >
> >> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
> >> > email?
> >> >
> >> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
> >> >
> >> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >> >
> >> > Spdloader wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
> >> >>
> >> >> Spdloader
> >> >>
> >> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
> >> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the bolt at
> >> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
> >> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and had
> >> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened the
> >> >> >>bolt
> >> >> >>up.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake still
> >> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only the
> >> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would expect
> >> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad caliper/piston.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more and
> >> >> >>the
> >> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the MC
> >> >> >>cover
> >> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too thick?
> >> >> >>With
> >> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag was
> >> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking caliper.
> >> >> > They
> >> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper. Surprised
> >> >> > this
> >> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real clue
> >> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Old Crow
> >> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> >> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
> >> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
> >> >> > "There's only 1 RE"

Re: Front brakes dragging
 

Well, I do have my moments, LOL.

I was just a bit frustrated this morning wading through 4 days of mostly
crap for posts, then figure ah, one to answer only to find out nope,
been done on the quiet....

His brake failure light is/was on for a reason. It means it sees a
pressure difference between the front and rear brakes. I have never
heard of directly bleeding a modern prop valve. If they can't be bled
at the wheels by holding the pin or if they are the 'new' ones with no
pin, then if they fail, they are dead. I doubt his has failed.

Mike

Spdloader wrote:
>
> Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake line,
> then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record of it
> for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose didn't
> paste.
>
> That's my fault for poor editing.
>
> Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I suspect the
> caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back with a C
> clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but I would
> never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
> proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem as
> well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.
>
> Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed now,
>
> ...and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".
>
> Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but you have
> to earn it.
>
> lol
>
> Spdloader
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
> > Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
> > happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to get
> > resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
> > given out because only half the story was public....
> >
> > That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
> >
> > So I'll ask again nicely.
> >
> > Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Spdloader wrote:
> >>
> >> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
> >>
> >> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
> >>
> >> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are more
> >> comfortable that way.
> >>
> >> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
> >>
> >> Spdloader
> >>
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
> >> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
> >> >
> >> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
> >> > email?
> >> >
> >> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
> >> >
> >> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >> >
> >> > Spdloader wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
> >> >>
> >> >> Spdloader
> >> >>
> >> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
> >> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the bolt at
> >> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
> >> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and had
> >> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened the
> >> >> >>bolt
> >> >> >>up.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake still
> >> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only the
> >> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would expect
> >> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad caliper/piston.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more and
> >> >> >>the
> >> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the MC
> >> >> >>cover
> >> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too thick?
> >> >> >>With
> >> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag was
> >> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking caliper.
> >> >> > They
> >> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper. Surprised
> >> >> > this
> >> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real clue
> >> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Old Crow
> >> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> >> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
> >> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
> >> >> > "There's only 1 RE"

Re: Front brakes dragging
 

Well, I do have my moments, LOL.

I was just a bit frustrated this morning wading through 4 days of mostly
crap for posts, then figure ah, one to answer only to find out nope,
been done on the quiet....

His brake failure light is/was on for a reason. It means it sees a
pressure difference between the front and rear brakes. I have never
heard of directly bleeding a modern prop valve. If they can't be bled
at the wheels by holding the pin or if they are the 'new' ones with no
pin, then if they fail, they are dead. I doubt his has failed.

Mike

Spdloader wrote:
>
> Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake line,
> then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record of it
> for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose didn't
> paste.
>
> That's my fault for poor editing.
>
> Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I suspect the
> caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back with a C
> clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but I would
> never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
> proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem as
> well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.
>
> Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed now,
>
> ...and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".
>
> Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but you have
> to earn it.
>
> lol
>
> Spdloader
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
> > Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
> > happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to get
> > resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
> > given out because only half the story was public....
> >
> > That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
> >
> > So I'll ask again nicely.
> >
> > Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Spdloader wrote:
> >>
> >> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
> >>
> >> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
> >>
> >> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are more
> >> comfortable that way.
> >>
> >> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
> >>
> >> Spdloader
> >>
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
> >> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
> >> >
> >> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
> >> > email?
> >> >
> >> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
> >> >
> >> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >> >
> >> > Spdloader wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
> >> >>
> >> >> Spdloader
> >> >>
> >> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
> >> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the bolt at
> >> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
> >> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and had
> >> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened the
> >> >> >>bolt
> >> >> >>up.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake still
> >> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only the
> >> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would expect
> >> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad caliper/piston.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more and
> >> >> >>the
> >> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the MC
> >> >> >>cover
> >> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too thick?
> >> >> >>With
> >> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag was
> >> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking caliper.
> >> >> > They
> >> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper. Surprised
> >> >> > this
> >> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real clue
> >> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Old Crow
> >> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> >> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
> >> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
> >> >> > "There's only 1 RE"

Re: Front brakes dragging
 

Agreed, his prop valve is fine. We should find out more soon, if he posts
his results.

Spdloader


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43BC5585.340892D@sympatico.ca...
> Well, I do have my moments, LOL.
>
> I was just a bit frustrated this morning wading through 4 days of mostly
> crap for posts, then figure ah, one to answer only to find out nope,
> been done on the quiet....
>
> His brake failure light is/was on for a reason. It means it sees a
> pressure difference between the front and rear brakes. I have never
> heard of directly bleeding a modern prop valve. If they can't be bled
> at the wheels by holding the pin or if they are the 'new' ones with no
> pin, then if they fail, they are dead. I doubt his has failed.
>
> Mike
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>>
>> Privately, I advised the OP it could be either the caliper or a brake
>> line,
>> then I reposted the same advice to the group, so there'd be a record of
>> it
>> for anyone else who needed it. Somehow, the text regarding the hose
>> didn't
>> paste.
>>
>> That's my fault for poor editing.
>>
>> Since brake hoses degrade slowly, and not usually immediately, I suspect
>> the
>> caliper. The caliper stuck in the bore the moment he pushed it back with
>> a C
>> clamp to facilitate the new pads. Evidence suggests the caliper, but I
>> would
>> never rule out the hose. Neither one of those problems will make the
>> proportioning valve switch over though, so I suspect another problem as
>> well, or something else was done the OP hasn't told us yet.
>>
>> Nothing further has been communicated. Everyone should be up to speed
>> now,
>>
>> ...and your new knick name is "Hair-trigger Mike".
>>
>> Where I come from in the military, everyone gets a knick name, but you
>> have
>> to earn it.
>>
>> lol
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43BC2D86.74038EBB@sympatico.ca...
>> > Sorry to be snappy, but I have been involved in a few fixes that
>> > happened partly via private emails and they all took way too long to
>> > get
>> > resolved with way too many repeated guesses by folks and bad advise
>> > given out because only half the story was public....
>> >
>> > That 'really' defeats the purpose of the newsgroup.
>> >
>> > So I'll ask again nicely.
>> >
>> > Did the gent get it fixed because it was a failed brake line?
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Is everybody on a hair trigger in this newsgroup?
>> >>
>> >> Turning the other cheek, I'll say this:
>> >>
>> >> I invited him to contact me via private email because some folks are
>> >> more
>> >> comfortable that way.
>> >>
>> >> It wasn't my intent to torque anyone off, sorry if I did.
>> >>
>> >> Spdloader
>> >>
>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:43BC08B0.A34A0D98@sympatico.ca...
>> >> > That doesn't do the rest of us ----.....
>> >> >
>> >> > If someone wants help, what use is taking folks guesses to private
>> >> > email?
>> >> >
>> >> > That just causes a lot of repeats guesses and wasted time.
>> >> >
>> >> > I 'guess' he must have it fixed by now too?
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> >> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >> >
>> >> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We discussed that too in a private email.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Spdloader
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
>> >> >> > On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the bolt
>> >> >> >>at
>> >> >> >>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
>> >> >> >>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and
>> >> >> >>had
>> >> >> >>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened the
>> >> >> >>bolt
>> >> >> >>up.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake
>> >> >> >>still
>> >> >> >>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only
>> >> >> >>the
>> >> >> >>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would
>> >> >> >>expect
>> >> >> >>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad caliper/piston.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more
>> >> >> >>and
>> >> >> >>the
>> >> >> >>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the MC
>> >> >> >>cover
>> >> >> >>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too
>> >> >> >>thick?
>> >> >> >>With
>> >> >> >>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag
>> >> >> >>was
>> >> >> >>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking caliper.
>> >> >> > They
>> >> >> > can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper. Surprised
>> >> >> > this
>> >> >> > thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real
>> >> >> > clue
>> >> >> > is that only one side is sticking.
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Old Crow
>> >> >> > '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
>> >> >> > '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
>> >> >> > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
>> >> >> > "There's only 1 RE"