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Spdloader 01-03-2006 08:51 PM

Re: Front brakes dragging
 
Bear in mind the proportioning valve is actuated by outside sources, it
didn't switch itself, an external brake problem caused it.
You'll have to fix whatever caused it to happen in the first place, or it'll
happen again.

By installing new pads, you moved the pistons back into the bore of the
caliper, and if they're old and corroded, they'll stick like you describe.
Sounds like time for new calipers.

Spdloader


"Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136336667.928683.116190@g43g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the bolt at
> the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
> reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and had
> wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened the bolt
> up.
>
> To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake still
> drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only the
> right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would expect
> with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad caliper/piston.
>
> Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more and the
> rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the MC cover
> and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>
> One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too thick? With
> the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag was
> alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
>




Spdloader 01-03-2006 08:51 PM

Re: Front brakes dragging
 
Bear in mind the proportioning valve is actuated by outside sources, it
didn't switch itself, an external brake problem caused it.
You'll have to fix whatever caused it to happen in the first place, or it'll
happen again.

By installing new pads, you moved the pistons back into the bore of the
caliper, and if they're old and corroded, they'll stick like you describe.
Sounds like time for new calipers.

Spdloader


"Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136336667.928683.116190@g43g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the bolt at
> the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
> reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and had
> wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened the bolt
> up.
>
> To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake still
> drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only the
> right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would expect
> with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad caliper/piston.
>
> Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more and the
> rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the MC cover
> and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>
> One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too thick? With
> the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag was
> alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)
>




Old Crow 01-04-2006 05:59 AM

Re: Front brakes dragging
 
On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com> wrote:

>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the bolt at
>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and had
>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened the bolt
>up.
>
>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake still
>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only the
>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would expect
>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad caliper/piston.
>
>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more and the
>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the MC cover
>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>
>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too thick? With
>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag was
>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)


First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking caliper. They
can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper. Surprised this
thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real clue
is that only one side is sticking.
--
Old Crow
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
"There's only 1 RE"

Old Crow 01-04-2006 05:59 AM

Re: Front brakes dragging
 
On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com> wrote:

>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the bolt at
>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and had
>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened the bolt
>up.
>
>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake still
>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only the
>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would expect
>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad caliper/piston.
>
>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more and the
>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the MC cover
>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>
>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too thick? With
>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag was
>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)


First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking caliper. They
can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper. Surprised this
thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real clue
is that only one side is sticking.
--
Old Crow
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
"There's only 1 RE"

Old Crow 01-04-2006 05:59 AM

Re: Front brakes dragging
 
On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com> wrote:

>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the bolt at
>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and had
>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened the bolt
>up.
>
>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake still
>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only the
>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would expect
>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad caliper/piston.
>
>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more and the
>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the MC cover
>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>
>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too thick? With
>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag was
>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)


First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking caliper. They
can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper. Surprised this
thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real clue
is that only one side is sticking.
--
Old Crow
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
"There's only 1 RE"

Spdloader 01-04-2006 08:08 AM

Re: Front brakes dragging
 
We discussed that too in a private email.

Spdloader


"Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
> On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the bolt at
>>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
>>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and had
>>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened the bolt
>>up.
>>
>>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake still
>>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only the
>>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would expect
>>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad caliper/piston.
>>
>>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more and the
>>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the MC cover
>>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>>
>>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too thick? With
>>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag was
>>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)

>
> First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking caliper. They
> can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper. Surprised this
> thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real clue
> is that only one side is sticking.
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
> BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
> "There's only 1 RE"




Spdloader 01-04-2006 08:08 AM

Re: Front brakes dragging
 
We discussed that too in a private email.

Spdloader


"Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
> On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the bolt at
>>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
>>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and had
>>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened the bolt
>>up.
>>
>>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake still
>>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only the
>>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would expect
>>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad caliper/piston.
>>
>>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more and the
>>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the MC cover
>>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>>
>>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too thick? With
>>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag was
>>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)

>
> First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking caliper. They
> can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper. Surprised this
> thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real clue
> is that only one side is sticking.
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
> BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
> "There's only 1 RE"




Spdloader 01-04-2006 08:08 AM

Re: Front brakes dragging
 
We discussed that too in a private email.

Spdloader


"Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:kganr1h6mgpn4rrf5aq9abjqdi4361md1b@4ax.com...
> On 3 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0800, "Jolley" <mormonator@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the bolt at
>>the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
>>reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and had
>>wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened the bolt
>>up.
>>
>>To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake still
>>drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only the
>>right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would expect
>>with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad caliper/piston.
>>
>>Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more and the
>>rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the MC cover
>>and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>>
>>One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too thick? With
>>the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag was
>>alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)

>
> First thing I'd look at is the flex hose to the sticking caliper. They
> can come apart inside and hold pressure on the caliper. Surprised this
> thread went this long with nobody suggesting that, but the real clue
> is that only one side is sticking.
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> '74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
> BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
> "There's only 1 RE"




Mike Romain 01-04-2006 10:20 AM

Re: Front brakes dragging
 
I would be suspecting the flex hose to that wheel has collapsed
internally. This can hold the caliper 'on'.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Jolley wrote:
>
> I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the bolt at
> the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
> reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and had
> wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened the bolt
> up.
>
> To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake still
> drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only the
> right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would expect
> with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad caliper/piston.
>
> Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more and the
> rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the MC cover
> and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>
> One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too thick? With
> the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag was
> alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)


Mike Romain 01-04-2006 10:20 AM

Re: Front brakes dragging
 
I would be suspecting the flex hose to that wheel has collapsed
internally. This can hold the caliper 'on'.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Jolley wrote:
>
> I was able to 'bleed' the proportioner valve. I lessened the bolt at
> the end (with the hole in it) and took out the guts, cleaned and
> reinstalled. Then I left the nut only partially screwed in and had
> wifey pump the brakes to get the air out and then I tightened the bolt
> up.
>
> To my Joy, the brake light is now off! Unfortunately the brake still
> drags. I jacked each front wheel up and found that really only the
> right side is dragging and the left feels about what I would expect
> with new brakes... I'm beginning to suspect a bad caliper/piston.
>
> Using a C clamp I can press the caliper open just a little more and the
> rotor will spin reasonably well, but by the time I replace the MC cover
> and put the wheel back on its dragging heavily again.
>
> One last thought: could the new brakes be just a little too thick? With
> the tire on I loosened the caliper bolts slightly and the drag was
> alleviated. (Its a thought anyway)



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