Mike Romain

Interesting Bill. From the article: "The World Class T5 has been in
automobiles since 1985" and "It to most people's surprise has been in
Izuzu, Nissan, Panther Cars, AMC Jeep, Korean Ssang, General Motors,
Ford Cars, and TVR cars."

Cool, that means the 85 and 86 CJ7 'do' have the Borg Warner World Class
T-5 it would seem.

I also got the Dana 44 rear. :-)

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> You can't visually tell the difference:
> http://www.5speeds.com/comp.htm#t5w
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > The later CJ's use the Borg Warner T-5. Externally it 'looks' just like
> > the Ford Borg Warner except the clutch is a pull lever instead of a push
> > lever. The Ford one is missing the pivot ball inside is all.
> >
> > I have never heard that the Borg Warner is weak. Ford figures they are
> > good behind the V8's.
> >
> > I have heard the only difference in the 'world class' version is the
> > tolerances are tighter so they won't run on gear oil, you have to use
> > ATF in them.
> >
> > Jeep tried the ATF trip in the Borg Warner T-5 for a year or so then
> > went back to using proper gear oil by '85 according to the owners
> > manual.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Don Wallish wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill, i know of the Jeep T-5, my friend has one in his CJ7 and i know it's
> > > weak. I'm talking about the Borg Warner "World Class" T5. I know that's a
> > > different tranny. No way the same model in the Jeep would be the same one i
> > > have in my 320hp V8 Ranger. I'm looking early 90's Fords.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Don W

Jerry Bransford

You can tell the difference between a T-4 and T-5 but it can be difficult
unless they're side-by-side. The T-5 has a slightly larger area around the
shift housing for the 5th gear.

Jerry
--
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PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
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"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4144B030.91DDFB81@sympatico.ca...
> Interesting Bill. From the article: "The World Class T5 has been in
> automobiles since 1985" and "It to most people's surprise has been in
> Izuzu, Nissan, Panther Cars, AMC Jeep, Korean Ssang, General Motors,
> Ford Cars, and TVR cars."
>
> Cool, that means the 85 and 86 CJ7 'do' have the Borg Warner World Class
> T-5 it would seem.
>
> I also got the Dana 44 rear. :-)
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>> You can't visually tell the difference:
>> http://www.5speeds.com/comp.htm#t5w
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Mike Romain wrote:
>> >
>> > The later CJ's use the Borg Warner T-5. Externally it 'looks' just
>> > like
>> > the Ford Borg Warner except the clutch is a pull lever instead of a
>> > push
>> > lever. The Ford one is missing the pivot ball inside is all.
>> >
>> > I have never heard that the Borg Warner is weak. Ford figures they are
>> > good behind the V8's.
>> >
>> > I have heard the only difference in the 'world class' version is the
>> > tolerances are tighter so they won't run on gear oil, you have to use
>> > ATF in them.
>> >
>> > Jeep tried the ATF trip in the Borg Warner T-5 for a year or so then
>> > went back to using proper gear oil by '85 according to the owners
>> > manual.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Don Wallish wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Bill, i know of the Jeep T-5, my friend has one in his CJ7 and i know
>> > > it's
>> > > weak. I'm talking about the Borg Warner "World Class" T5. I know
>> > > that's a
>> > > different tranny. No way the same model in the Jeep would be the
>> > > same one i
>> > > have in my 320hp V8 Ranger. I'm looking early 90's Fords.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Don W

Jerry Bransford

You can tell the difference between a T-4 and T-5 but it can be difficult
unless they're side-by-side. The T-5 has a slightly larger area around the
shift housing for the 5th gear.

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4144B030.91DDFB81@sympatico.ca...
> Interesting Bill. From the article: "The World Class T5 has been in
> automobiles since 1985" and "It to most people's surprise has been in
> Izuzu, Nissan, Panther Cars, AMC Jeep, Korean Ssang, General Motors,
> Ford Cars, and TVR cars."
>
> Cool, that means the 85 and 86 CJ7 'do' have the Borg Warner World Class
> T-5 it would seem.
>
> I also got the Dana 44 rear. :-)
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>> You can't visually tell the difference:
>> http://www.5speeds.com/comp.htm#t5w
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Mike Romain wrote:
>> >
>> > The later CJ's use the Borg Warner T-5. Externally it 'looks' just
>> > like
>> > the Ford Borg Warner except the clutch is a pull lever instead of a
>> > push
>> > lever. The Ford one is missing the pivot ball inside is all.
>> >
>> > I have never heard that the Borg Warner is weak. Ford figures they are
>> > good behind the V8's.
>> >
>> > I have heard the only difference in the 'world class' version is the
>> > tolerances are tighter so they won't run on gear oil, you have to use
>> > ATF in them.
>> >
>> > Jeep tried the ATF trip in the Borg Warner T-5 for a year or so then
>> > went back to using proper gear oil by '85 according to the owners
>> > manual.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Don Wallish wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Bill, i know of the Jeep T-5, my friend has one in his CJ7 and i know
>> > > it's
>> > > weak. I'm talking about the Borg Warner "World Class" T5. I know
>> > > that's a
>> > > different tranny. No way the same model in the Jeep would be the
>> > > same one i
>> > > have in my 320hp V8 Ranger. I'm looking early 90's Fords.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Don W

Jerry Bransford

You can tell the difference between a T-4 and T-5 but it can be difficult
unless they're side-by-side. The T-5 has a slightly larger area around the
shift housing for the 5th gear.

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4144B030.91DDFB81@sympatico.ca...
> Interesting Bill. From the article: "The World Class T5 has been in
> automobiles since 1985" and "It to most people's surprise has been in
> Izuzu, Nissan, Panther Cars, AMC Jeep, Korean Ssang, General Motors,
> Ford Cars, and TVR cars."
>
> Cool, that means the 85 and 86 CJ7 'do' have the Borg Warner World Class
> T-5 it would seem.
>
> I also got the Dana 44 rear. :-)
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>> You can't visually tell the difference:
>> http://www.5speeds.com/comp.htm#t5w
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Mike Romain wrote:
>> >
>> > The later CJ's use the Borg Warner T-5. Externally it 'looks' just
>> > like
>> > the Ford Borg Warner except the clutch is a pull lever instead of a
>> > push
>> > lever. The Ford one is missing the pivot ball inside is all.
>> >
>> > I have never heard that the Borg Warner is weak. Ford figures they are
>> > good behind the V8's.
>> >
>> > I have heard the only difference in the 'world class' version is the
>> > tolerances are tighter so they won't run on gear oil, you have to use
>> > ATF in them.
>> >
>> > Jeep tried the ATF trip in the Borg Warner T-5 for a year or so then
>> > went back to using proper gear oil by '85 according to the owners
>> > manual.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Don Wallish wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Bill, i know of the Jeep T-5, my friend has one in his CJ7 and i know
>> > > it's
>> > > weak. I'm talking about the Borg Warner "World Class" T5. I know
>> > > that's a
>> > > different tranny. No way the same model in the Jeep would be the
>> > > same one i
>> > > have in my 320hp V8 Ranger. I'm looking early 90's Fords.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Don W

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi Mike,
It eluded to stronger gears, like my Borg Warner T-10 in my '57
Thunderbird, it has the nickel cadmium gears, which was nick named the
rock crusher and use for factory experimentals long after the top loader
was introduced: http://www.----------.com/thunderb.htm
Of course you have a Dana 44.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Interesting Bill. From the article: "The World Class T5 has been in
> automobiles since 1985" and "It to most people's surprise has been in
> Izuzu, Nissan, Panther Cars, AMC Jeep, Korean Ssang, General Motors,
> Ford Cars, and TVR cars."
>
> Cool, that means the 85 and 86 CJ7 'do' have the Borg Warner World Class
> T-5 it would seem.
>
> I also got the Dana 44 rear. :-)
>
> Mike

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi Mike,
It eluded to stronger gears, like my Borg Warner T-10 in my '57
Thunderbird, it has the nickel cadmium gears, which was nick named the
rock crusher and use for factory experimentals long after the top loader
was introduced: http://www.----------.com/thunderb.htm
Of course you have a Dana 44.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Interesting Bill. From the article: "The World Class T5 has been in
> automobiles since 1985" and "It to most people's surprise has been in
> Izuzu, Nissan, Panther Cars, AMC Jeep, Korean Ssang, General Motors,
> Ford Cars, and TVR cars."
>
> Cool, that means the 85 and 86 CJ7 'do' have the Borg Warner World Class
> T-5 it would seem.
>
> I also got the Dana 44 rear. :-)
>
> Mike

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi Mike,
It eluded to stronger gears, like my Borg Warner T-10 in my '57
Thunderbird, it has the nickel cadmium gears, which was nick named the
rock crusher and use for factory experimentals long after the top loader
was introduced: http://www.----------.com/thunderb.htm
Of course you have a Dana 44.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Interesting Bill. From the article: "The World Class T5 has been in
> automobiles since 1985" and "It to most people's surprise has been in
> Izuzu, Nissan, Panther Cars, AMC Jeep, Korean Ssang, General Motors,
> Ford Cars, and TVR cars."
>
> Cool, that means the 85 and 86 CJ7 'do' have the Borg Warner World Class
> T-5 it would seem.
>
> I also got the Dana 44 rear. :-)
>
> Mike

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

I meant high nickel, chromium, molybdenum steel gears, not the
battery.

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> It eluded to stronger gears, like my Borg Warner T-10 in my '57
> Thunderbird, it has the nickel cadmium gears, which was nick named the
> rock crusher and use for factory experimentals long after the top loader
> was introduced: http://www.----------.com/thunderb.htm
> Of course you have a Dana 44.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

I meant high nickel, chromium, molybdenum steel gears, not the
battery.

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> It eluded to stronger gears, like my Borg Warner T-10 in my '57
> Thunderbird, it has the nickel cadmium gears, which was nick named the
> rock crusher and use for factory experimentals long after the top loader
> was introduced: http://www.----------.com/thunderb.htm
> Of course you have a Dana 44.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

I meant high nickel, chromium, molybdenum steel gears, not the
battery.

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> It eluded to stronger gears, like my Borg Warner T-10 in my '57
> Thunderbird, it has the nickel cadmium gears, which was nick named the
> rock crusher and use for factory experimentals long after the top loader
> was introduced: http://www.----------.com/thunderb.htm
> Of course you have a Dana 44.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------