That sounds right. As Earl mentions, you don't want too much in there.

Mike

Carl Saiyed wrote:
>
> Nope, just a little bit of red hi-temp bearing grease. The clutch kit
> included a small packet of grease that is intended for the pilot bearing and
> the input shaft. Will the small packet be all I need?
>
> Sorry for the confusion.
>
> Carl
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:42F0C789.99CD7EF5@sympatico.ca...
> > Bingo!
> >
> > We were talking apples and oranges for sure there Carl, sorry about the
> > confusion.
> >
> > I for one and most others were taking about the 258. As soon as I saw
> > that first photo with the CPS cutouts and the pilot in the flywheel
> > itself (yes you are correct) I knew you weren't talking a carb engine.
> >
> > So now begs the question about how to keep that bearing lubricated. The
> > 258 uses a foam or felt oil soaked pad that sits in the depression in
> > the end of the crank. Did some dirty gooey chunk of crap come out of
> > that hole?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > >
> > > OK guys, I am completely confused now. There appears to be a a provision
> in
> > > the back of the crank to accomodate a raised casting in the flywheel
> that
> > > the pilot bearing sits in. Here are some pics
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/...l/flywheel.jpg
> > > This is the face of the flywheel that I had machined. The pilot bearing
> has
> > > an arrow.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/...el/flyrear.jpg
> > > This is the rear (engine side) of the flywheel, which shows the rear of
> the
> > > pilot bearing and the raised casting on the flywheel.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/pilot.jpg
> > > This is a closeup of the raised casting in the rear (engine side) of the
> > > flywheel and the pilot bearing.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/engine.jpg
> > > This is the rear of the engine, which shows the six holes for the
> flywheel
> > > bolts, and the provision for the raised casting.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/crank.jpg
> > > This is a closeup of the provision for the raised casting on the
> flywheel.
> > >
> > > Am I right that this bearing is the pilot bearing?
> > >
> > > Looking back at the thread, I think I see the problem. I have the 2.5L 4
> > > banger, not the 258 or 4.0.
> > >
> > > Carl
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:42EF856A.E2D6C361@sympatico.ca...
> > > > Ok.... I am missing something here or someone is..... I have had an
> 86
> > > > engine apart, an 89, a 91 and my current engine is a 78.
> > > >
> > > > All of these engines have a flywheel bolted onto the end of the crank.
> > > > The hole in the flywheel is about 4" big with the end of the crank
> > > > sitting in this hole. In the crank there is a hole for the pilot
> > > > bushing (CJ's) or bearing (YJ's).
> > > >
> > > > When I take this flywheel and ring gear off, I have a 4" hole in it
> with
> > > > 5 bolts in an offset pattern.
> > > >
> > > > When I took the cranks in to get them turned, the shops pulled out the
> > > > old pilot bearing for me so I could put a new one into the end of the
> > > > crank. I did not take the flywheels in with me.
> > > >
> > > > Here is a drawing (A Bill H link) exactly the same all the 258 engines
> I
> > > > have worked on showing the pilot bushing as part number 1.043-1. This
> > > > also shows it as a crank part with a perfect example of 'all' the
> > > > flywheels I have ever seen on a 258.
> > > >
> > > > http://amccf.com/tech/new/SIX-block_crank_cam.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Greg wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > My 81 CJ was exactly as you discribe, hole in the middle of
> flywheel,
> > > > > bearing in that.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:42eedae3_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > > > > > Mike -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't understand how the bearing could be in the end of the
> crank.
> > > The
> > > > > > new
> > > > > > bearing supplied with my kit seems to be an exact match of the
> bearing
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > is in the flywheel. I currently have the flywheel removed, and it
> was
> > > > > > machined.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks to all for the help so far.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carl
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:42EE1920.14E028CF@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > >> You are going to need a puller for the pilot bearing and it is in
> the
> > > > > >> center of the works or in the end of the crank. Don't miss the
> oiled
> > > > > >> pad or you will be doing the job again in a short time.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> You should remove the flywheel and have it turned so it isn't
> grabby.
> > > > > >> Once you have the flywheel out, you will see the big center hole
> > > where
> > > > > >> the crank fits with the pilot bearing still sitting there in the
> end
> > > of
> > > > > >> the engine.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Mike
> > > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > The trans is laying on the floor under the jeep, the surfaced
> > > flywheel
> > > > > > is on
> > > > > >> > the bench, the clutch and bearings are in the mail. The
> driveshafts
> > > and
> > > > > >> > exhaust are on the floor, the carpet and access panels are out,
> and
> > > my
> > > > > > head
> > > > > >> > hurts.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I've been working 12-14hr days so I wont have any time to slam
> it
> > > all
> > > > > > back
> > > > > >> > together untill saturday. Still confused how to install the
> pilot
> > > > > > bearing
> > > > > >> > and throwout bearing. What I'm guessing is the pilot bearing is
> in
> > > the
> > > > > >> > flywheel, not the crank. Also unsure how I'm going to actually
> put
> > > it
> > > > > > the
> > > > > >> > trans up there.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > The re-install of the clutch seems straightforward. Bolt the
> > > flywheel
> > > > > > back
> > > > > >> > on, torque to 15lbs, 30lbs, and 50lbs. Install the clutch disk
> and
> > > > > > pressure
> > > > > >> > plate, torque to 23lbs. Pull out the alignment tool, get a good
> > > workout
> > > > > >> > getting the trans and t-case assembly back up there.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > still interested in that drink, Robb? :-D
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Carl
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > "Robb S via CarKB.com" <forum@CarKB.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >> > news:522B679C544DA@CarKB.com...
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > SO Carl, how'd it all turn out?
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Robb S wrote:
> > > > > >> > > >LOL
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > >> Let's hope.
> > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > >>> but the Crank is still in the middle of the flywheel ;)
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > --
> > > > > >> > > Message posted via http://www.carkb.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >

 

More than enough. See my other post. Good luck!

Earle

"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:42f0e1ce_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> Nope, just a little bit of red hi-temp bearing grease. The clutch kit
> included a small packet of grease that is intended for the pilot bearing
and
> the input shaft. Will the small packet be all I need?
>
> Sorry for the confusion.
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:42F0C789.99CD7EF5@sympatico.ca...
> > Bingo!
> >
> > We were talking apples and oranges for sure there Carl, sorry about the
> > confusion.
> >
> > I for one and most others were taking about the 258. As soon as I saw
> > that first photo with the CPS cutouts and the pilot in the flywheel
> > itself (yes you are correct) I knew you weren't talking a carb engine.
> >
> > So now begs the question about how to keep that bearing lubricated. The
> > 258 uses a foam or felt oil soaked pad that sits in the depression in
> > the end of the crank. Did some dirty gooey chunk of crap come out of
> > that hole?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > >
> > > OK guys, I am completely confused now. There appears to be a a
provision
> in
> > > the back of the crank to accomodate a raised casting in the flywheel
> that
> > > the pilot bearing sits in. Here are some pics
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/...l/flywheel.jpg
> > > This is the face of the flywheel that I had machined. The pilot
bearing
> has
> > > an arrow.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/...el/flyrear.jpg
> > > This is the rear (engine side) of the flywheel, which shows the rear
of
> the
> > > pilot bearing and the raised casting on the flywheel.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/pilot.jpg
> > > This is a closeup of the raised casting in the rear (engine side) of
the
> > > flywheel and the pilot bearing.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/engine.jpg
> > > This is the rear of the engine, which shows the six holes for the
> flywheel
> > > bolts, and the provision for the raised casting.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/crank.jpg
> > > This is a closeup of the provision for the raised casting on the
> flywheel.
> > >
> > > Am I right that this bearing is the pilot bearing?
> > >
> > > Looking back at the thread, I think I see the problem. I have the 2.5L
4
> > > banger, not the 258 or 4.0.
> > >
> > > Carl
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:42EF856A.E2D6C361@sympatico.ca...
> > > > Ok.... I am missing something here or someone is..... I have had
an
> 86
> > > > engine apart, an 89, a 91 and my current engine is a 78.
> > > >
> > > > All of these engines have a flywheel bolted onto the end of the
crank.
> > > > The hole in the flywheel is about 4" big with the end of the crank
> > > > sitting in this hole. In the crank there is a hole for the pilot
> > > > bushing (CJ's) or bearing (YJ's).
> > > >
> > > > When I take this flywheel and ring gear off, I have a 4" hole in it
> with
> > > > 5 bolts in an offset pattern.
> > > >
> > > > When I took the cranks in to get them turned, the shops pulled out
the
> > > > old pilot bearing for me so I could put a new one into the end of
the
> > > > crank. I did not take the flywheels in with me.
> > > >
> > > > Here is a drawing (A Bill H link) exactly the same all the 258
engines
> I
> > > > have worked on showing the pilot bushing as part number 1.043-1.
This
> > > > also shows it as a crank part with a perfect example of 'all' the
> > > > flywheels I have ever seen on a 258.
> > > >
> > > > http://amccf.com/tech/new/SIX-block_crank_cam.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Greg wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > My 81 CJ was exactly as you discribe, hole in the middle of
> flywheel,
> > > > > bearing in that.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:42eedae3_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > > > > > Mike -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't understand how the bearing could be in the end of the
> crank.
> > > The
> > > > > > new
> > > > > > bearing supplied with my kit seems to be an exact match of the
> bearing
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > is in the flywheel. I currently have the flywheel removed, and
it
> was
> > > > > > machined.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks to all for the help so far.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carl
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:42EE1920.14E028CF@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > >> You are going to need a puller for the pilot bearing and it is
in
> the
> > > > > >> center of the works or in the end of the crank. Don't miss the
> oiled
> > > > > >> pad or you will be doing the job again in a short time.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> You should remove the flywheel and have it turned so it isn't
> grabby.
> > > > > >> Once you have the flywheel out, you will see the big center
hole
> > > where
> > > > > >> the crank fits with the pilot bearing still sitting there in
the
> end
> > > of
> > > > > >> the engine.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Mike
> > > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > The trans is laying on the floor under the jeep, the surfaced
> > > flywheel
> > > > > > is on
> > > > > >> > the bench, the clutch and bearings are in the mail. The
> driveshafts
> > > and
> > > > > >> > exhaust are on the floor, the carpet and access panels are
out,
> and
> > > my
> > > > > > head
> > > > > >> > hurts.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I've been working 12-14hr days so I wont have any time to
slam
> it
> > > all
> > > > > > back
> > > > > >> > together untill saturday. Still confused how to install the
> pilot
> > > > > > bearing
> > > > > >> > and throwout bearing. What I'm guessing is the pilot bearing
is
> in
> > > the
> > > > > >> > flywheel, not the crank. Also unsure how I'm going to
actually
> put
> > > it
> > > > > > the
> > > > > >> > trans up there.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > The re-install of the clutch seems straightforward. Bolt the
> > > flywheel
> > > > > > back
> > > > > >> > on, torque to 15lbs, 30lbs, and 50lbs. Install the clutch
disk
> and
> > > > > > pressure
> > > > > >> > plate, torque to 23lbs. Pull out the alignment tool, get a
good
> > > workout
> > > > > >> > getting the trans and t-case assembly back up there.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > still interested in that drink, Robb? :-D
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Carl
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > "Robb S via CarKB.com" <forum@CarKB.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >> > news:522B679C544DA@CarKB.com...
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > SO Carl, how'd it all turn out?
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Robb S wrote:
> > > > > >> > > >LOL
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > >> Let's hope.
> > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > >>> but the Crank is still in the middle of the flywheel
;)
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > --
> > > > > >> > > Message posted via http://www.carkb.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
>
>

 

More than enough. See my other post. Good luck!

Earle

"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:42f0e1ce_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> Nope, just a little bit of red hi-temp bearing grease. The clutch kit
> included a small packet of grease that is intended for the pilot bearing
and
> the input shaft. Will the small packet be all I need?
>
> Sorry for the confusion.
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:42F0C789.99CD7EF5@sympatico.ca...
> > Bingo!
> >
> > We were talking apples and oranges for sure there Carl, sorry about the
> > confusion.
> >
> > I for one and most others were taking about the 258. As soon as I saw
> > that first photo with the CPS cutouts and the pilot in the flywheel
> > itself (yes you are correct) I knew you weren't talking a carb engine.
> >
> > So now begs the question about how to keep that bearing lubricated. The
> > 258 uses a foam or felt oil soaked pad that sits in the depression in
> > the end of the crank. Did some dirty gooey chunk of crap come out of
> > that hole?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > >
> > > OK guys, I am completely confused now. There appears to be a a
provision
> in
> > > the back of the crank to accomodate a raised casting in the flywheel
> that
> > > the pilot bearing sits in. Here are some pics
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/...l/flywheel.jpg
> > > This is the face of the flywheel that I had machined. The pilot
bearing
> has
> > > an arrow.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/...el/flyrear.jpg
> > > This is the rear (engine side) of the flywheel, which shows the rear
of
> the
> > > pilot bearing and the raised casting on the flywheel.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/pilot.jpg
> > > This is a closeup of the raised casting in the rear (engine side) of
the
> > > flywheel and the pilot bearing.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/engine.jpg
> > > This is the rear of the engine, which shows the six holes for the
> flywheel
> > > bolts, and the provision for the raised casting.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/crank.jpg
> > > This is a closeup of the provision for the raised casting on the
> flywheel.
> > >
> > > Am I right that this bearing is the pilot bearing?
> > >
> > > Looking back at the thread, I think I see the problem. I have the 2.5L
4
> > > banger, not the 258 or 4.0.
> > >
> > > Carl
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:42EF856A.E2D6C361@sympatico.ca...
> > > > Ok.... I am missing something here or someone is..... I have had
an
> 86
> > > > engine apart, an 89, a 91 and my current engine is a 78.
> > > >
> > > > All of these engines have a flywheel bolted onto the end of the
crank.
> > > > The hole in the flywheel is about 4" big with the end of the crank
> > > > sitting in this hole. In the crank there is a hole for the pilot
> > > > bushing (CJ's) or bearing (YJ's).
> > > >
> > > > When I take this flywheel and ring gear off, I have a 4" hole in it
> with
> > > > 5 bolts in an offset pattern.
> > > >
> > > > When I took the cranks in to get them turned, the shops pulled out
the
> > > > old pilot bearing for me so I could put a new one into the end of
the
> > > > crank. I did not take the flywheels in with me.
> > > >
> > > > Here is a drawing (A Bill H link) exactly the same all the 258
engines
> I
> > > > have worked on showing the pilot bushing as part number 1.043-1.
This
> > > > also shows it as a crank part with a perfect example of 'all' the
> > > > flywheels I have ever seen on a 258.
> > > >
> > > > http://amccf.com/tech/new/SIX-block_crank_cam.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Greg wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > My 81 CJ was exactly as you discribe, hole in the middle of
> flywheel,
> > > > > bearing in that.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:42eedae3_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > > > > > Mike -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't understand how the bearing could be in the end of the
> crank.
> > > The
> > > > > > new
> > > > > > bearing supplied with my kit seems to be an exact match of the
> bearing
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > is in the flywheel. I currently have the flywheel removed, and
it
> was
> > > > > > machined.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks to all for the help so far.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carl
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:42EE1920.14E028CF@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > >> You are going to need a puller for the pilot bearing and it is
in
> the
> > > > > >> center of the works or in the end of the crank. Don't miss the
> oiled
> > > > > >> pad or you will be doing the job again in a short time.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> You should remove the flywheel and have it turned so it isn't
> grabby.
> > > > > >> Once you have the flywheel out, you will see the big center
hole
> > > where
> > > > > >> the crank fits with the pilot bearing still sitting there in
the
> end
> > > of
> > > > > >> the engine.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Mike
> > > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > The trans is laying on the floor under the jeep, the surfaced
> > > flywheel
> > > > > > is on
> > > > > >> > the bench, the clutch and bearings are in the mail. The
> driveshafts
> > > and
> > > > > >> > exhaust are on the floor, the carpet and access panels are
out,
> and
> > > my
> > > > > > head
> > > > > >> > hurts.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I've been working 12-14hr days so I wont have any time to
slam
> it
> > > all
> > > > > > back
> > > > > >> > together untill saturday. Still confused how to install the
> pilot
> > > > > > bearing
> > > > > >> > and throwout bearing. What I'm guessing is the pilot bearing
is
> in
> > > the
> > > > > >> > flywheel, not the crank. Also unsure how I'm going to
actually
> put
> > > it
> > > > > > the
> > > > > >> > trans up there.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > The re-install of the clutch seems straightforward. Bolt the
> > > flywheel
> > > > > > back
> > > > > >> > on, torque to 15lbs, 30lbs, and 50lbs. Install the clutch
disk
> and
> > > > > > pressure
> > > > > >> > plate, torque to 23lbs. Pull out the alignment tool, get a
good
> > > workout
> > > > > >> > getting the trans and t-case assembly back up there.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > still interested in that drink, Robb? :-D
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Carl
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > "Robb S via CarKB.com" <forum@CarKB.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >> > news:522B679C544DA@CarKB.com...
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > SO Carl, how'd it all turn out?
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Robb S wrote:
> > > > > >> > > >LOL
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > >> Let's hope.
> > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > >>> but the Crank is still in the middle of the flywheel
;)
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > --
> > > > > >> > > Message posted via http://www.carkb.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
>
>

 

More than enough. See my other post. Good luck!

Earle

"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:42f0e1ce_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> Nope, just a little bit of red hi-temp bearing grease. The clutch kit
> included a small packet of grease that is intended for the pilot bearing
and
> the input shaft. Will the small packet be all I need?
>
> Sorry for the confusion.
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:42F0C789.99CD7EF5@sympatico.ca...
> > Bingo!
> >
> > We were talking apples and oranges for sure there Carl, sorry about the
> > confusion.
> >
> > I for one and most others were taking about the 258. As soon as I saw
> > that first photo with the CPS cutouts and the pilot in the flywheel
> > itself (yes you are correct) I knew you weren't talking a carb engine.
> >
> > So now begs the question about how to keep that bearing lubricated. The
> > 258 uses a foam or felt oil soaked pad that sits in the depression in
> > the end of the crank. Did some dirty gooey chunk of crap come out of
> > that hole?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > >
> > > OK guys, I am completely confused now. There appears to be a a
provision
> in
> > > the back of the crank to accomodate a raised casting in the flywheel
> that
> > > the pilot bearing sits in. Here are some pics
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/...l/flywheel.jpg
> > > This is the face of the flywheel that I had machined. The pilot
bearing
> has
> > > an arrow.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/...el/flyrear.jpg
> > > This is the rear (engine side) of the flywheel, which shows the rear
of
> the
> > > pilot bearing and the raised casting on the flywheel.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/pilot.jpg
> > > This is a closeup of the raised casting in the rear (engine side) of
the
> > > flywheel and the pilot bearing.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/engine.jpg
> > > This is the rear of the engine, which shows the six holes for the
> flywheel
> > > bolts, and the provision for the raised casting.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/crank.jpg
> > > This is a closeup of the provision for the raised casting on the
> flywheel.
> > >
> > > Am I right that this bearing is the pilot bearing?
> > >
> > > Looking back at the thread, I think I see the problem. I have the 2.5L
4
> > > banger, not the 258 or 4.0.
> > >
> > > Carl
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:42EF856A.E2D6C361@sympatico.ca...
> > > > Ok.... I am missing something here or someone is..... I have had
an
> 86
> > > > engine apart, an 89, a 91 and my current engine is a 78.
> > > >
> > > > All of these engines have a flywheel bolted onto the end of the
crank.
> > > > The hole in the flywheel is about 4" big with the end of the crank
> > > > sitting in this hole. In the crank there is a hole for the pilot
> > > > bushing (CJ's) or bearing (YJ's).
> > > >
> > > > When I take this flywheel and ring gear off, I have a 4" hole in it
> with
> > > > 5 bolts in an offset pattern.
> > > >
> > > > When I took the cranks in to get them turned, the shops pulled out
the
> > > > old pilot bearing for me so I could put a new one into the end of
the
> > > > crank. I did not take the flywheels in with me.
> > > >
> > > > Here is a drawing (A Bill H link) exactly the same all the 258
engines
> I
> > > > have worked on showing the pilot bushing as part number 1.043-1.
This
> > > > also shows it as a crank part with a perfect example of 'all' the
> > > > flywheels I have ever seen on a 258.
> > > >
> > > > http://amccf.com/tech/new/SIX-block_crank_cam.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Greg wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > My 81 CJ was exactly as you discribe, hole in the middle of
> flywheel,
> > > > > bearing in that.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:42eedae3_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > > > > > Mike -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't understand how the bearing could be in the end of the
> crank.
> > > The
> > > > > > new
> > > > > > bearing supplied with my kit seems to be an exact match of the
> bearing
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > is in the flywheel. I currently have the flywheel removed, and
it
> was
> > > > > > machined.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks to all for the help so far.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carl
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:42EE1920.14E028CF@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > >> You are going to need a puller for the pilot bearing and it is
in
> the
> > > > > >> center of the works or in the end of the crank. Don't miss the
> oiled
> > > > > >> pad or you will be doing the job again in a short time.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> You should remove the flywheel and have it turned so it isn't
> grabby.
> > > > > >> Once you have the flywheel out, you will see the big center
hole
> > > where
> > > > > >> the crank fits with the pilot bearing still sitting there in
the
> end
> > > of
> > > > > >> the engine.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Mike
> > > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > The trans is laying on the floor under the jeep, the surfaced
> > > flywheel
> > > > > > is on
> > > > > >> > the bench, the clutch and bearings are in the mail. The
> driveshafts
> > > and
> > > > > >> > exhaust are on the floor, the carpet and access panels are
out,
> and
> > > my
> > > > > > head
> > > > > >> > hurts.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I've been working 12-14hr days so I wont have any time to
slam
> it
> > > all
> > > > > > back
> > > > > >> > together untill saturday. Still confused how to install the
> pilot
> > > > > > bearing
> > > > > >> > and throwout bearing. What I'm guessing is the pilot bearing
is
> in
> > > the
> > > > > >> > flywheel, not the crank. Also unsure how I'm going to
actually
> put
> > > it
> > > > > > the
> > > > > >> > trans up there.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > The re-install of the clutch seems straightforward. Bolt the
> > > flywheel
> > > > > > back
> > > > > >> > on, torque to 15lbs, 30lbs, and 50lbs. Install the clutch
disk
> and
> > > > > > pressure
> > > > > >> > plate, torque to 23lbs. Pull out the alignment tool, get a
good
> > > workout
> > > > > >> > getting the trans and t-case assembly back up there.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > still interested in that drink, Robb? :-D
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Carl
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > "Robb S via CarKB.com" <forum@CarKB.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >> > news:522B679C544DA@CarKB.com...
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > SO Carl, how'd it all turn out?
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Robb S wrote:
> > > > > >> > > >LOL
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > >> Let's hope.
> > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > >>> but the Crank is still in the middle of the flywheel
;)
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > --
> > > > > >> > > Message posted via http://www.carkb.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
>
>

 

More than enough. See my other post. Good luck!

Earle

"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:42f0e1ce_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> Nope, just a little bit of red hi-temp bearing grease. The clutch kit
> included a small packet of grease that is intended for the pilot bearing
and
> the input shaft. Will the small packet be all I need?
>
> Sorry for the confusion.
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:42F0C789.99CD7EF5@sympatico.ca...
> > Bingo!
> >
> > We were talking apples and oranges for sure there Carl, sorry about the
> > confusion.
> >
> > I for one and most others were taking about the 258. As soon as I saw
> > that first photo with the CPS cutouts and the pilot in the flywheel
> > itself (yes you are correct) I knew you weren't talking a carb engine.
> >
> > So now begs the question about how to keep that bearing lubricated. The
> > 258 uses a foam or felt oil soaked pad that sits in the depression in
> > the end of the crank. Did some dirty gooey chunk of crap come out of
> > that hole?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > >
> > > OK guys, I am completely confused now. There appears to be a a
provision
> in
> > > the back of the crank to accomodate a raised casting in the flywheel
> that
> > > the pilot bearing sits in. Here are some pics
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/...l/flywheel.jpg
> > > This is the face of the flywheel that I had machined. The pilot
bearing
> has
> > > an arrow.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/...el/flyrear.jpg
> > > This is the rear (engine side) of the flywheel, which shows the rear
of
> the
> > > pilot bearing and the raised casting on the flywheel.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/pilot.jpg
> > > This is a closeup of the raised casting in the rear (engine side) of
the
> > > flywheel and the pilot bearing.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/engine.jpg
> > > This is the rear of the engine, which shows the six holes for the
> flywheel
> > > bolts, and the provision for the raised casting.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/crank.jpg
> > > This is a closeup of the provision for the raised casting on the
> flywheel.
> > >
> > > Am I right that this bearing is the pilot bearing?
> > >
> > > Looking back at the thread, I think I see the problem. I have the 2.5L
4
> > > banger, not the 258 or 4.0.
> > >
> > > Carl
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:42EF856A.E2D6C361@sympatico.ca...
> > > > Ok.... I am missing something here or someone is..... I have had
an
> 86
> > > > engine apart, an 89, a 91 and my current engine is a 78.
> > > >
> > > > All of these engines have a flywheel bolted onto the end of the
crank.
> > > > The hole in the flywheel is about 4" big with the end of the crank
> > > > sitting in this hole. In the crank there is a hole for the pilot
> > > > bushing (CJ's) or bearing (YJ's).
> > > >
> > > > When I take this flywheel and ring gear off, I have a 4" hole in it
> with
> > > > 5 bolts in an offset pattern.
> > > >
> > > > When I took the cranks in to get them turned, the shops pulled out
the
> > > > old pilot bearing for me so I could put a new one into the end of
the
> > > > crank. I did not take the flywheels in with me.
> > > >
> > > > Here is a drawing (A Bill H link) exactly the same all the 258
engines
> I
> > > > have worked on showing the pilot bushing as part number 1.043-1.
This
> > > > also shows it as a crank part with a perfect example of 'all' the
> > > > flywheels I have ever seen on a 258.
> > > >
> > > > http://amccf.com/tech/new/SIX-block_crank_cam.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Greg wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > My 81 CJ was exactly as you discribe, hole in the middle of
> flywheel,
> > > > > bearing in that.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:42eedae3_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > > > > > Mike -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't understand how the bearing could be in the end of the
> crank.
> > > The
> > > > > > new
> > > > > > bearing supplied with my kit seems to be an exact match of the
> bearing
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > is in the flywheel. I currently have the flywheel removed, and
it
> was
> > > > > > machined.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks to all for the help so far.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carl
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:42EE1920.14E028CF@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > >> You are going to need a puller for the pilot bearing and it is
in
> the
> > > > > >> center of the works or in the end of the crank. Don't miss the
> oiled
> > > > > >> pad or you will be doing the job again in a short time.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> You should remove the flywheel and have it turned so it isn't
> grabby.
> > > > > >> Once you have the flywheel out, you will see the big center
hole
> > > where
> > > > > >> the crank fits with the pilot bearing still sitting there in
the
> end
> > > of
> > > > > >> the engine.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Mike
> > > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > The trans is laying on the floor under the jeep, the surfaced
> > > flywheel
> > > > > > is on
> > > > > >> > the bench, the clutch and bearings are in the mail. The
> driveshafts
> > > and
> > > > > >> > exhaust are on the floor, the carpet and access panels are
out,
> and
> > > my
> > > > > > head
> > > > > >> > hurts.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I've been working 12-14hr days so I wont have any time to
slam
> it
> > > all
> > > > > > back
> > > > > >> > together untill saturday. Still confused how to install the
> pilot
> > > > > > bearing
> > > > > >> > and throwout bearing. What I'm guessing is the pilot bearing
is
> in
> > > the
> > > > > >> > flywheel, not the crank. Also unsure how I'm going to
actually
> put
> > > it
> > > > > > the
> > > > > >> > trans up there.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > The re-install of the clutch seems straightforward. Bolt the
> > > flywheel
> > > > > > back
> > > > > >> > on, torque to 15lbs, 30lbs, and 50lbs. Install the clutch
disk
> and
> > > > > > pressure
> > > > > >> > plate, torque to 23lbs. Pull out the alignment tool, get a
good
> > > workout
> > > > > >> > getting the trans and t-case assembly back up there.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > still interested in that drink, Robb? :-D
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Carl
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > "Robb S via CarKB.com" <forum@CarKB.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >> > news:522B679C544DA@CarKB.com...
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > SO Carl, how'd it all turn out?
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Robb S wrote:
> > > > > >> > > >LOL
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > >> Let's hope.
> > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > >>> but the Crank is still in the middle of the flywheel
;)
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > --
> > > > > >> > > Message posted via http://www.carkb.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
>
>

 

Yup, when just the natural oil from our fingers can cause the
clutch or brake pads to chatter.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> The temptation exists to provide excessive lubrication to this part. Try to
> avoid it.
>
> The bearing should be pre-lubricated with just enough grease to wet all the
> needle bearings. If it is not, then work some grease in, enough to get all
> the needles wet, and remove the rest. Pay attention to the differences
> between the crank end of the bearing and the flywheel end. The flywheel end
> probably has a little rubber seal. There is no need to supply extra
> lubrication, unless you want it leaking all over the clutch surfaces. Since
> the transmission pilot shaft rides directly on the needle bearings, inspect
> and clean the surface of the shaft before reassembly. If this is worn, then
> you may have problems, manifested as popping out of gear.
>
> A guy I knew in the seventies would disassemble the transmission sometimes,
> to get at the pilot shaft, which he used as an alignment tool. He was a
> show off, but beautiful to watch in action. If you need an alignment tool,
> you know where to find it. :o)
>
> Earle

 

Yup, when just the natural oil from our fingers can cause the
clutch or brake pads to chatter.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> The temptation exists to provide excessive lubrication to this part. Try to
> avoid it.
>
> The bearing should be pre-lubricated with just enough grease to wet all the
> needle bearings. If it is not, then work some grease in, enough to get all
> the needles wet, and remove the rest. Pay attention to the differences
> between the crank end of the bearing and the flywheel end. The flywheel end
> probably has a little rubber seal. There is no need to supply extra
> lubrication, unless you want it leaking all over the clutch surfaces. Since
> the transmission pilot shaft rides directly on the needle bearings, inspect
> and clean the surface of the shaft before reassembly. If this is worn, then
> you may have problems, manifested as popping out of gear.
>
> A guy I knew in the seventies would disassemble the transmission sometimes,
> to get at the pilot shaft, which he used as an alignment tool. He was a
> show off, but beautiful to watch in action. If you need an alignment tool,
> you know where to find it. :o)
>
> Earle

 

Yup, when just the natural oil from our fingers can cause the
clutch or brake pads to chatter.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> The temptation exists to provide excessive lubrication to this part. Try to
> avoid it.
>
> The bearing should be pre-lubricated with just enough grease to wet all the
> needle bearings. If it is not, then work some grease in, enough to get all
> the needles wet, and remove the rest. Pay attention to the differences
> between the crank end of the bearing and the flywheel end. The flywheel end
> probably has a little rubber seal. There is no need to supply extra
> lubrication, unless you want it leaking all over the clutch surfaces. Since
> the transmission pilot shaft rides directly on the needle bearings, inspect
> and clean the surface of the shaft before reassembly. If this is worn, then
> you may have problems, manifested as popping out of gear.
>
> A guy I knew in the seventies would disassemble the transmission sometimes,
> to get at the pilot shaft, which he used as an alignment tool. He was a
> show off, but beautiful to watch in action. If you need an alignment tool,
> you know where to find it. :o)
>
> Earle

 

Yup, when just the natural oil from our fingers can cause the
clutch or brake pads to chatter.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> The temptation exists to provide excessive lubrication to this part. Try to
> avoid it.
>
> The bearing should be pre-lubricated with just enough grease to wet all the
> needle bearings. If it is not, then work some grease in, enough to get all
> the needles wet, and remove the rest. Pay attention to the differences
> between the crank end of the bearing and the flywheel end. The flywheel end
> probably has a little rubber seal. There is no need to supply extra
> lubrication, unless you want it leaking all over the clutch surfaces. Since
> the transmission pilot shaft rides directly on the needle bearings, inspect
> and clean the surface of the shaft before reassembly. If this is worn, then
> you may have problems, manifested as popping out of gear.
>
> A guy I knew in the seventies would disassemble the transmission sometimes,
> to get at the pilot shaft, which he used as an alignment tool. He was a
> show off, but beautiful to watch in action. If you need an alignment tool,
> you know where to find it. :o)
>
> Earle