Nope, just a little bit of red hi-temp bearing grease. The clutch kit
included a small packet of grease that is intended for the pilot bearing and
the input shaft. Will the small packet be all I need?

Sorry for the confusion.

Carl


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42F0C789.99CD7EF5@sympatico.ca...
> Bingo!
>
> We were talking apples and oranges for sure there Carl, sorry about the
> confusion.
>
> I for one and most others were taking about the 258. As soon as I saw
> that first photo with the CPS cutouts and the pilot in the flywheel
> itself (yes you are correct) I knew you weren't talking a carb engine.
>
> So now begs the question about how to keep that bearing lubricated. The
> 258 uses a foam or felt oil soaked pad that sits in the depression in
> the end of the crank. Did some dirty gooey chunk of crap come out of
> that hole?
>
> Mike
>
> Carl Saiyed wrote:
> >
> > OK guys, I am completely confused now. There appears to be a a provision
in
> > the back of the crank to accomodate a raised casting in the flywheel
that
> > the pilot bearing sits in. Here are some pics
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/...l/flywheel.jpg
> > This is the face of the flywheel that I had machined. The pilot bearing
has
> > an arrow.
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/...el/flyrear.jpg
> > This is the rear (engine side) of the flywheel, which shows the rear of
the
> > pilot bearing and the raised casting on the flywheel.
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/pilot.jpg
> > This is a closeup of the raised casting in the rear (engine side) of the
> > flywheel and the pilot bearing.
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/engine.jpg
> > This is the rear of the engine, which shows the six holes for the
flywheel
> > bolts, and the provision for the raised casting.
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/crank.jpg
> > This is a closeup of the provision for the raised casting on the
flywheel.
> >
> > Am I right that this bearing is the pilot bearing?
> >
> > Looking back at the thread, I think I see the problem. I have the 2.5L 4
> > banger, not the 258 or 4.0.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:42EF856A.E2D6C361@sympatico.ca...
> > > Ok.... I am missing something here or someone is..... I have had an
86
> > > engine apart, an 89, a 91 and my current engine is a 78.
> > >
> > > All of these engines have a flywheel bolted onto the end of the crank.
> > > The hole in the flywheel is about 4" big with the end of the crank
> > > sitting in this hole. In the crank there is a hole for the pilot
> > > bushing (CJ's) or bearing (YJ's).
> > >
> > > When I take this flywheel and ring gear off, I have a 4" hole in it
with
> > > 5 bolts in an offset pattern.
> > >
> > > When I took the cranks in to get them turned, the shops pulled out the
> > > old pilot bearing for me so I could put a new one into the end of the
> > > crank. I did not take the flywheels in with me.
> > >
> > > Here is a drawing (A Bill H link) exactly the same all the 258 engines
I
> > > have worked on showing the pilot bushing as part number 1.043-1. This
> > > also shows it as a crank part with a perfect example of 'all' the
> > > flywheels I have ever seen on a 258.
> > >
> > > http://amccf.com/tech/new/SIX-block_crank_cam.jpg
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Greg wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My 81 CJ was exactly as you discribe, hole in the middle of
flywheel,
> > > > bearing in that.
> > > >
> > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:42eedae3_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > > > > Mike -
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't understand how the bearing could be in the end of the
crank.
> > The
> > > > > new
> > > > > bearing supplied with my kit seems to be an exact match of the
bearing
> > > > > that
> > > > > is in the flywheel. I currently have the flywheel removed, and it
was
> > > > > machined.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks to all for the help so far.
> > > > >
> > > > > Carl
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:42EE1920.14E028CF@sympatico.ca...
> > > > >> You are going to need a puller for the pilot bearing and it is in
the
> > > > >> center of the works or in the end of the crank. Don't miss the
oiled
> > > > >> pad or you will be doing the job again in a short time.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You should remove the flywheel and have it turned so it isn't
grabby.
> > > > >> Once you have the flywheel out, you will see the big center hole
> > where
> > > > >> the crank fits with the pilot bearing still sitting there in the
end
> > of
> > > > >> the engine.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Mike
> > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > The trans is laying on the floor under the jeep, the surfaced
> > flywheel
> > > > > is on
> > > > >> > the bench, the clutch and bearings are in the mail. The
driveshafts
> > and
> > > > >> > exhaust are on the floor, the carpet and access panels are out,
and
> > my
> > > > > head
> > > > >> > hurts.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I've been working 12-14hr days so I wont have any time to slam
it
> > all
> > > > > back
> > > > >> > together untill saturday. Still confused how to install the
pilot
> > > > > bearing
> > > > >> > and throwout bearing. What I'm guessing is the pilot bearing is
in
> > the
> > > > >> > flywheel, not the crank. Also unsure how I'm going to actually
put
> > it
> > > > > the
> > > > >> > trans up there.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > The re-install of the clutch seems straightforward. Bolt the
> > flywheel
> > > > > back
> > > > >> > on, torque to 15lbs, 30lbs, and 50lbs. Install the clutch disk
and
> > > > > pressure
> > > > >> > plate, torque to 23lbs. Pull out the alignment tool, get a good
> > workout
> > > > >> > getting the trans and t-case assembly back up there.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > still interested in that drink, Robb? :-D
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Carl
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > "Robb S via CarKB.com" <forum@CarKB.com> wrote in message
> > > > >> > news:522B679C544DA@CarKB.com...
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > SO Carl, how'd it all turn out?
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Robb S wrote:
> > > > >> > > >LOL
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >> Let's hope.
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > > >>> but the Crank is still in the middle of the flywheel ;)
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > --
> > > > >> > > Message posted via http://www.carkb.com
> > > > >
> > > > >

 

Nope, just a little bit of red hi-temp bearing grease. The clutch kit
included a small packet of grease that is intended for the pilot bearing and
the input shaft. Will the small packet be all I need?

Sorry for the confusion.

Carl


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42F0C789.99CD7EF5@sympatico.ca...
> Bingo!
>
> We were talking apples and oranges for sure there Carl, sorry about the
> confusion.
>
> I for one and most others were taking about the 258. As soon as I saw
> that first photo with the CPS cutouts and the pilot in the flywheel
> itself (yes you are correct) I knew you weren't talking a carb engine.
>
> So now begs the question about how to keep that bearing lubricated. The
> 258 uses a foam or felt oil soaked pad that sits in the depression in
> the end of the crank. Did some dirty gooey chunk of crap come out of
> that hole?
>
> Mike
>
> Carl Saiyed wrote:
> >
> > OK guys, I am completely confused now. There appears to be a a provision
in
> > the back of the crank to accomodate a raised casting in the flywheel
that
> > the pilot bearing sits in. Here are some pics
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/...l/flywheel.jpg
> > This is the face of the flywheel that I had machined. The pilot bearing
has
> > an arrow.
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/...el/flyrear.jpg
> > This is the rear (engine side) of the flywheel, which shows the rear of
the
> > pilot bearing and the raised casting on the flywheel.
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/pilot.jpg
> > This is a closeup of the raised casting in the rear (engine side) of the
> > flywheel and the pilot bearing.
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/engine.jpg
> > This is the rear of the engine, which shows the six holes for the
flywheel
> > bolts, and the provision for the raised casting.
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/crank.jpg
> > This is a closeup of the provision for the raised casting on the
flywheel.
> >
> > Am I right that this bearing is the pilot bearing?
> >
> > Looking back at the thread, I think I see the problem. I have the 2.5L 4
> > banger, not the 258 or 4.0.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:42EF856A.E2D6C361@sympatico.ca...
> > > Ok.... I am missing something here or someone is..... I have had an
86
> > > engine apart, an 89, a 91 and my current engine is a 78.
> > >
> > > All of these engines have a flywheel bolted onto the end of the crank.
> > > The hole in the flywheel is about 4" big with the end of the crank
> > > sitting in this hole. In the crank there is a hole for the pilot
> > > bushing (CJ's) or bearing (YJ's).
> > >
> > > When I take this flywheel and ring gear off, I have a 4" hole in it
with
> > > 5 bolts in an offset pattern.
> > >
> > > When I took the cranks in to get them turned, the shops pulled out the
> > > old pilot bearing for me so I could put a new one into the end of the
> > > crank. I did not take the flywheels in with me.
> > >
> > > Here is a drawing (A Bill H link) exactly the same all the 258 engines
I
> > > have worked on showing the pilot bushing as part number 1.043-1. This
> > > also shows it as a crank part with a perfect example of 'all' the
> > > flywheels I have ever seen on a 258.
> > >
> > > http://amccf.com/tech/new/SIX-block_crank_cam.jpg
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Greg wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My 81 CJ was exactly as you discribe, hole in the middle of
flywheel,
> > > > bearing in that.
> > > >
> > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:42eedae3_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > > > > Mike -
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't understand how the bearing could be in the end of the
crank.
> > The
> > > > > new
> > > > > bearing supplied with my kit seems to be an exact match of the
bearing
> > > > > that
> > > > > is in the flywheel. I currently have the flywheel removed, and it
was
> > > > > machined.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks to all for the help so far.
> > > > >
> > > > > Carl
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:42EE1920.14E028CF@sympatico.ca...
> > > > >> You are going to need a puller for the pilot bearing and it is in
the
> > > > >> center of the works or in the end of the crank. Don't miss the
oiled
> > > > >> pad or you will be doing the job again in a short time.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You should remove the flywheel and have it turned so it isn't
grabby.
> > > > >> Once you have the flywheel out, you will see the big center hole
> > where
> > > > >> the crank fits with the pilot bearing still sitting there in the
end
> > of
> > > > >> the engine.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Mike
> > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > The trans is laying on the floor under the jeep, the surfaced
> > flywheel
> > > > > is on
> > > > >> > the bench, the clutch and bearings are in the mail. The
driveshafts
> > and
> > > > >> > exhaust are on the floor, the carpet and access panels are out,
and
> > my
> > > > > head
> > > > >> > hurts.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I've been working 12-14hr days so I wont have any time to slam
it
> > all
> > > > > back
> > > > >> > together untill saturday. Still confused how to install the
pilot
> > > > > bearing
> > > > >> > and throwout bearing. What I'm guessing is the pilot bearing is
in
> > the
> > > > >> > flywheel, not the crank. Also unsure how I'm going to actually
put
> > it
> > > > > the
> > > > >> > trans up there.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > The re-install of the clutch seems straightforward. Bolt the
> > flywheel
> > > > > back
> > > > >> > on, torque to 15lbs, 30lbs, and 50lbs. Install the clutch disk
and
> > > > > pressure
> > > > >> > plate, torque to 23lbs. Pull out the alignment tool, get a good
> > workout
> > > > >> > getting the trans and t-case assembly back up there.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > still interested in that drink, Robb? :-D
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Carl
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > "Robb S via CarKB.com" <forum@CarKB.com> wrote in message
> > > > >> > news:522B679C544DA@CarKB.com...
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > SO Carl, how'd it all turn out?
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Robb S wrote:
> > > > >> > > >LOL
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >> Let's hope.
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > > >>> but the Crank is still in the middle of the flywheel ;)
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > --
> > > > >> > > Message posted via http://www.carkb.com
> > > > >
> > > > >

 

Nope, just a little bit of red hi-temp bearing grease. The clutch kit
included a small packet of grease that is intended for the pilot bearing and
the input shaft. Will the small packet be all I need?

Sorry for the confusion.

Carl


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42F0C789.99CD7EF5@sympatico.ca...
> Bingo!
>
> We were talking apples and oranges for sure there Carl, sorry about the
> confusion.
>
> I for one and most others were taking about the 258. As soon as I saw
> that first photo with the CPS cutouts and the pilot in the flywheel
> itself (yes you are correct) I knew you weren't talking a carb engine.
>
> So now begs the question about how to keep that bearing lubricated. The
> 258 uses a foam or felt oil soaked pad that sits in the depression in
> the end of the crank. Did some dirty gooey chunk of crap come out of
> that hole?
>
> Mike
>
> Carl Saiyed wrote:
> >
> > OK guys, I am completely confused now. There appears to be a a provision
in
> > the back of the crank to accomodate a raised casting in the flywheel
that
> > the pilot bearing sits in. Here are some pics
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/...l/flywheel.jpg
> > This is the face of the flywheel that I had machined. The pilot bearing
has
> > an arrow.
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/...el/flyrear.jpg
> > This is the rear (engine side) of the flywheel, which shows the rear of
the
> > pilot bearing and the raised casting on the flywheel.
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/pilot.jpg
> > This is a closeup of the raised casting in the rear (engine side) of the
> > flywheel and the pilot bearing.
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/engine.jpg
> > This is the rear of the engine, which shows the six holes for the
flywheel
> > bolts, and the provision for the raised casting.
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/crank.jpg
> > This is a closeup of the provision for the raised casting on the
flywheel.
> >
> > Am I right that this bearing is the pilot bearing?
> >
> > Looking back at the thread, I think I see the problem. I have the 2.5L 4
> > banger, not the 258 or 4.0.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:42EF856A.E2D6C361@sympatico.ca...
> > > Ok.... I am missing something here or someone is..... I have had an
86
> > > engine apart, an 89, a 91 and my current engine is a 78.
> > >
> > > All of these engines have a flywheel bolted onto the end of the crank.
> > > The hole in the flywheel is about 4" big with the end of the crank
> > > sitting in this hole. In the crank there is a hole for the pilot
> > > bushing (CJ's) or bearing (YJ's).
> > >
> > > When I take this flywheel and ring gear off, I have a 4" hole in it
with
> > > 5 bolts in an offset pattern.
> > >
> > > When I took the cranks in to get them turned, the shops pulled out the
> > > old pilot bearing for me so I could put a new one into the end of the
> > > crank. I did not take the flywheels in with me.
> > >
> > > Here is a drawing (A Bill H link) exactly the same all the 258 engines
I
> > > have worked on showing the pilot bushing as part number 1.043-1. This
> > > also shows it as a crank part with a perfect example of 'all' the
> > > flywheels I have ever seen on a 258.
> > >
> > > http://amccf.com/tech/new/SIX-block_crank_cam.jpg
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Greg wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My 81 CJ was exactly as you discribe, hole in the middle of
flywheel,
> > > > bearing in that.
> > > >
> > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:42eedae3_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > > > > Mike -
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't understand how the bearing could be in the end of the
crank.
> > The
> > > > > new
> > > > > bearing supplied with my kit seems to be an exact match of the
bearing
> > > > > that
> > > > > is in the flywheel. I currently have the flywheel removed, and it
was
> > > > > machined.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks to all for the help so far.
> > > > >
> > > > > Carl
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:42EE1920.14E028CF@sympatico.ca...
> > > > >> You are going to need a puller for the pilot bearing and it is in
the
> > > > >> center of the works or in the end of the crank. Don't miss the
oiled
> > > > >> pad or you will be doing the job again in a short time.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You should remove the flywheel and have it turned so it isn't
grabby.
> > > > >> Once you have the flywheel out, you will see the big center hole
> > where
> > > > >> the crank fits with the pilot bearing still sitting there in the
end
> > of
> > > > >> the engine.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Mike
> > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > The trans is laying on the floor under the jeep, the surfaced
> > flywheel
> > > > > is on
> > > > >> > the bench, the clutch and bearings are in the mail. The
driveshafts
> > and
> > > > >> > exhaust are on the floor, the carpet and access panels are out,
and
> > my
> > > > > head
> > > > >> > hurts.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I've been working 12-14hr days so I wont have any time to slam
it
> > all
> > > > > back
> > > > >> > together untill saturday. Still confused how to install the
pilot
> > > > > bearing
> > > > >> > and throwout bearing. What I'm guessing is the pilot bearing is
in
> > the
> > > > >> > flywheel, not the crank. Also unsure how I'm going to actually
put
> > it
> > > > > the
> > > > >> > trans up there.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > The re-install of the clutch seems straightforward. Bolt the
> > flywheel
> > > > > back
> > > > >> > on, torque to 15lbs, 30lbs, and 50lbs. Install the clutch disk
and
> > > > > pressure
> > > > >> > plate, torque to 23lbs. Pull out the alignment tool, get a good
> > workout
> > > > >> > getting the trans and t-case assembly back up there.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > still interested in that drink, Robb? :-D
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Carl
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > "Robb S via CarKB.com" <forum@CarKB.com> wrote in message
> > > > >> > news:522B679C544DA@CarKB.com...
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > SO Carl, how'd it all turn out?
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Robb S wrote:
> > > > >> > > >LOL
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >> Let's hope.
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > > >>> but the Crank is still in the middle of the flywheel ;)
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > --
> > > > >> > > Message posted via http://www.carkb.com
> > > > >
> > > > >

 

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42F0C789.99CD7EF5@sympatico.ca...
....
> So now begs the question about how to keep that bearing lubricated.
> The 258 uses a foam or felt oil soaked pad that sits in the depression
> in the end of the crank. Did some dirty gooey chunk of crap come
> out of that hole?
>
The temptation exists to provide excessive lubrication to this part. Try to
avoid it.

The bearing should be pre-lubricated with just enough grease to wet all the
needle bearings. If it is not, then work some grease in, enough to get all
the needles wet, and remove the rest. Pay attention to the differences
between the crank end of the bearing and the flywheel end. The flywheel end
probably has a little rubber seal. There is no need to supply extra
lubrication, unless you want it leaking all over the clutch surfaces. Since
the transmission pilot shaft rides directly on the needle bearings, inspect
and clean the surface of the shaft before reassembly. If this is worn, then
you may have problems, manifested as popping out of gear.

A guy I knew in the seventies would disassemble the transmission sometimes,
to get at the pilot shaft, which he used as an alignment tool. He was a
show off, but beautiful to watch in action. If you need an alignment tool,
you know where to find it. :o)

Earle

 

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42F0C789.99CD7EF5@sympatico.ca...
....
> So now begs the question about how to keep that bearing lubricated.
> The 258 uses a foam or felt oil soaked pad that sits in the depression
> in the end of the crank. Did some dirty gooey chunk of crap come
> out of that hole?
>
The temptation exists to provide excessive lubrication to this part. Try to
avoid it.

The bearing should be pre-lubricated with just enough grease to wet all the
needle bearings. If it is not, then work some grease in, enough to get all
the needles wet, and remove the rest. Pay attention to the differences
between the crank end of the bearing and the flywheel end. The flywheel end
probably has a little rubber seal. There is no need to supply extra
lubrication, unless you want it leaking all over the clutch surfaces. Since
the transmission pilot shaft rides directly on the needle bearings, inspect
and clean the surface of the shaft before reassembly. If this is worn, then
you may have problems, manifested as popping out of gear.

A guy I knew in the seventies would disassemble the transmission sometimes,
to get at the pilot shaft, which he used as an alignment tool. He was a
show off, but beautiful to watch in action. If you need an alignment tool,
you know where to find it. :o)

Earle

 

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42F0C789.99CD7EF5@sympatico.ca...
....
> So now begs the question about how to keep that bearing lubricated.
> The 258 uses a foam or felt oil soaked pad that sits in the depression
> in the end of the crank. Did some dirty gooey chunk of crap come
> out of that hole?
>
The temptation exists to provide excessive lubrication to this part. Try to
avoid it.

The bearing should be pre-lubricated with just enough grease to wet all the
needle bearings. If it is not, then work some grease in, enough to get all
the needles wet, and remove the rest. Pay attention to the differences
between the crank end of the bearing and the flywheel end. The flywheel end
probably has a little rubber seal. There is no need to supply extra
lubrication, unless you want it leaking all over the clutch surfaces. Since
the transmission pilot shaft rides directly on the needle bearings, inspect
and clean the surface of the shaft before reassembly. If this is worn, then
you may have problems, manifested as popping out of gear.

A guy I knew in the seventies would disassemble the transmission sometimes,
to get at the pilot shaft, which he used as an alignment tool. He was a
show off, but beautiful to watch in action. If you need an alignment tool,
you know where to find it. :o)

Earle

 

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42F0C789.99CD7EF5@sympatico.ca...
....
> So now begs the question about how to keep that bearing lubricated.
> The 258 uses a foam or felt oil soaked pad that sits in the depression
> in the end of the crank. Did some dirty gooey chunk of crap come
> out of that hole?
>
The temptation exists to provide excessive lubrication to this part. Try to
avoid it.

The bearing should be pre-lubricated with just enough grease to wet all the
needle bearings. If it is not, then work some grease in, enough to get all
the needles wet, and remove the rest. Pay attention to the differences
between the crank end of the bearing and the flywheel end. The flywheel end
probably has a little rubber seal. There is no need to supply extra
lubrication, unless you want it leaking all over the clutch surfaces. Since
the transmission pilot shaft rides directly on the needle bearings, inspect
and clean the surface of the shaft before reassembly. If this is worn, then
you may have problems, manifested as popping out of gear.

A guy I knew in the seventies would disassemble the transmission sometimes,
to get at the pilot shaft, which he used as an alignment tool. He was a
show off, but beautiful to watch in action. If you need an alignment tool,
you know where to find it. :o)

Earle

 

That sounds right. As Earl mentions, you don't want too much in there.

Mike

Carl Saiyed wrote:
>
> Nope, just a little bit of red hi-temp bearing grease. The clutch kit
> included a small packet of grease that is intended for the pilot bearing and
> the input shaft. Will the small packet be all I need?
>
> Sorry for the confusion.
>
> Carl
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:42F0C789.99CD7EF5@sympatico.ca...
> > Bingo!
> >
> > We were talking apples and oranges for sure there Carl, sorry about the
> > confusion.
> >
> > I for one and most others were taking about the 258. As soon as I saw
> > that first photo with the CPS cutouts and the pilot in the flywheel
> > itself (yes you are correct) I knew you weren't talking a carb engine.
> >
> > So now begs the question about how to keep that bearing lubricated. The
> > 258 uses a foam or felt oil soaked pad that sits in the depression in
> > the end of the crank. Did some dirty gooey chunk of crap come out of
> > that hole?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > >
> > > OK guys, I am completely confused now. There appears to be a a provision
> in
> > > the back of the crank to accomodate a raised casting in the flywheel
> that
> > > the pilot bearing sits in. Here are some pics
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/...l/flywheel.jpg
> > > This is the face of the flywheel that I had machined. The pilot bearing
> has
> > > an arrow.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/...el/flyrear.jpg
> > > This is the rear (engine side) of the flywheel, which shows the rear of
> the
> > > pilot bearing and the raised casting on the flywheel.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/pilot.jpg
> > > This is a closeup of the raised casting in the rear (engine side) of the
> > > flywheel and the pilot bearing.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/engine.jpg
> > > This is the rear of the engine, which shows the six holes for the
> flywheel
> > > bolts, and the provision for the raised casting.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/crank.jpg
> > > This is a closeup of the provision for the raised casting on the
> flywheel.
> > >
> > > Am I right that this bearing is the pilot bearing?
> > >
> > > Looking back at the thread, I think I see the problem. I have the 2.5L 4
> > > banger, not the 258 or 4.0.
> > >
> > > Carl
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:42EF856A.E2D6C361@sympatico.ca...
> > > > Ok.... I am missing something here or someone is..... I have had an
> 86
> > > > engine apart, an 89, a 91 and my current engine is a 78.
> > > >
> > > > All of these engines have a flywheel bolted onto the end of the crank.
> > > > The hole in the flywheel is about 4" big with the end of the crank
> > > > sitting in this hole. In the crank there is a hole for the pilot
> > > > bushing (CJ's) or bearing (YJ's).
> > > >
> > > > When I take this flywheel and ring gear off, I have a 4" hole in it
> with
> > > > 5 bolts in an offset pattern.
> > > >
> > > > When I took the cranks in to get them turned, the shops pulled out the
> > > > old pilot bearing for me so I could put a new one into the end of the
> > > > crank. I did not take the flywheels in with me.
> > > >
> > > > Here is a drawing (A Bill H link) exactly the same all the 258 engines
> I
> > > > have worked on showing the pilot bushing as part number 1.043-1. This
> > > > also shows it as a crank part with a perfect example of 'all' the
> > > > flywheels I have ever seen on a 258.
> > > >
> > > > http://amccf.com/tech/new/SIX-block_crank_cam.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Greg wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > My 81 CJ was exactly as you discribe, hole in the middle of
> flywheel,
> > > > > bearing in that.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:42eedae3_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > > > > > Mike -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't understand how the bearing could be in the end of the
> crank.
> > > The
> > > > > > new
> > > > > > bearing supplied with my kit seems to be an exact match of the
> bearing
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > is in the flywheel. I currently have the flywheel removed, and it
> was
> > > > > > machined.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks to all for the help so far.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carl
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:42EE1920.14E028CF@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > >> You are going to need a puller for the pilot bearing and it is in
> the
> > > > > >> center of the works or in the end of the crank. Don't miss the
> oiled
> > > > > >> pad or you will be doing the job again in a short time.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> You should remove the flywheel and have it turned so it isn't
> grabby.
> > > > > >> Once you have the flywheel out, you will see the big center hole
> > > where
> > > > > >> the crank fits with the pilot bearing still sitting there in the
> end
> > > of
> > > > > >> the engine.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Mike
> > > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > The trans is laying on the floor under the jeep, the surfaced
> > > flywheel
> > > > > > is on
> > > > > >> > the bench, the clutch and bearings are in the mail. The
> driveshafts
> > > and
> > > > > >> > exhaust are on the floor, the carpet and access panels are out,
> and
> > > my
> > > > > > head
> > > > > >> > hurts.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I've been working 12-14hr days so I wont have any time to slam
> it
> > > all
> > > > > > back
> > > > > >> > together untill saturday. Still confused how to install the
> pilot
> > > > > > bearing
> > > > > >> > and throwout bearing. What I'm guessing is the pilot bearing is
> in
> > > the
> > > > > >> > flywheel, not the crank. Also unsure how I'm going to actually
> put
> > > it
> > > > > > the
> > > > > >> > trans up there.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > The re-install of the clutch seems straightforward. Bolt the
> > > flywheel
> > > > > > back
> > > > > >> > on, torque to 15lbs, 30lbs, and 50lbs. Install the clutch disk
> and
> > > > > > pressure
> > > > > >> > plate, torque to 23lbs. Pull out the alignment tool, get a good
> > > workout
> > > > > >> > getting the trans and t-case assembly back up there.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > still interested in that drink, Robb? :-D
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Carl
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > "Robb S via CarKB.com" <forum@CarKB.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >> > news:522B679C544DA@CarKB.com...
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > SO Carl, how'd it all turn out?
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Robb S wrote:
> > > > > >> > > >LOL
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > >> Let's hope.
> > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > >>> but the Crank is still in the middle of the flywheel ;)
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > --
> > > > > >> > > Message posted via http://www.carkb.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >

 

That sounds right. As Earl mentions, you don't want too much in there.

Mike

Carl Saiyed wrote:
>
> Nope, just a little bit of red hi-temp bearing grease. The clutch kit
> included a small packet of grease that is intended for the pilot bearing and
> the input shaft. Will the small packet be all I need?
>
> Sorry for the confusion.
>
> Carl
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:42F0C789.99CD7EF5@sympatico.ca...
> > Bingo!
> >
> > We were talking apples and oranges for sure there Carl, sorry about the
> > confusion.
> >
> > I for one and most others were taking about the 258. As soon as I saw
> > that first photo with the CPS cutouts and the pilot in the flywheel
> > itself (yes you are correct) I knew you weren't talking a carb engine.
> >
> > So now begs the question about how to keep that bearing lubricated. The
> > 258 uses a foam or felt oil soaked pad that sits in the depression in
> > the end of the crank. Did some dirty gooey chunk of crap come out of
> > that hole?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > >
> > > OK guys, I am completely confused now. There appears to be a a provision
> in
> > > the back of the crank to accomodate a raised casting in the flywheel
> that
> > > the pilot bearing sits in. Here are some pics
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/...l/flywheel.jpg
> > > This is the face of the flywheel that I had machined. The pilot bearing
> has
> > > an arrow.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/...el/flyrear.jpg
> > > This is the rear (engine side) of the flywheel, which shows the rear of
> the
> > > pilot bearing and the raised casting on the flywheel.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/pilot.jpg
> > > This is a closeup of the raised casting in the rear (engine side) of the
> > > flywheel and the pilot bearing.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/engine.jpg
> > > This is the rear of the engine, which shows the six holes for the
> flywheel
> > > bolts, and the provision for the raised casting.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/crank.jpg
> > > This is a closeup of the provision for the raised casting on the
> flywheel.
> > >
> > > Am I right that this bearing is the pilot bearing?
> > >
> > > Looking back at the thread, I think I see the problem. I have the 2.5L 4
> > > banger, not the 258 or 4.0.
> > >
> > > Carl
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:42EF856A.E2D6C361@sympatico.ca...
> > > > Ok.... I am missing something here or someone is..... I have had an
> 86
> > > > engine apart, an 89, a 91 and my current engine is a 78.
> > > >
> > > > All of these engines have a flywheel bolted onto the end of the crank.
> > > > The hole in the flywheel is about 4" big with the end of the crank
> > > > sitting in this hole. In the crank there is a hole for the pilot
> > > > bushing (CJ's) or bearing (YJ's).
> > > >
> > > > When I take this flywheel and ring gear off, I have a 4" hole in it
> with
> > > > 5 bolts in an offset pattern.
> > > >
> > > > When I took the cranks in to get them turned, the shops pulled out the
> > > > old pilot bearing for me so I could put a new one into the end of the
> > > > crank. I did not take the flywheels in with me.
> > > >
> > > > Here is a drawing (A Bill H link) exactly the same all the 258 engines
> I
> > > > have worked on showing the pilot bushing as part number 1.043-1. This
> > > > also shows it as a crank part with a perfect example of 'all' the
> > > > flywheels I have ever seen on a 258.
> > > >
> > > > http://amccf.com/tech/new/SIX-block_crank_cam.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Greg wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > My 81 CJ was exactly as you discribe, hole in the middle of
> flywheel,
> > > > > bearing in that.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:42eedae3_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > > > > > Mike -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't understand how the bearing could be in the end of the
> crank.
> > > The
> > > > > > new
> > > > > > bearing supplied with my kit seems to be an exact match of the
> bearing
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > is in the flywheel. I currently have the flywheel removed, and it
> was
> > > > > > machined.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks to all for the help so far.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carl
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:42EE1920.14E028CF@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > >> You are going to need a puller for the pilot bearing and it is in
> the
> > > > > >> center of the works or in the end of the crank. Don't miss the
> oiled
> > > > > >> pad or you will be doing the job again in a short time.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> You should remove the flywheel and have it turned so it isn't
> grabby.
> > > > > >> Once you have the flywheel out, you will see the big center hole
> > > where
> > > > > >> the crank fits with the pilot bearing still sitting there in the
> end
> > > of
> > > > > >> the engine.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Mike
> > > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > The trans is laying on the floor under the jeep, the surfaced
> > > flywheel
> > > > > > is on
> > > > > >> > the bench, the clutch and bearings are in the mail. The
> driveshafts
> > > and
> > > > > >> > exhaust are on the floor, the carpet and access panels are out,
> and
> > > my
> > > > > > head
> > > > > >> > hurts.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I've been working 12-14hr days so I wont have any time to slam
> it
> > > all
> > > > > > back
> > > > > >> > together untill saturday. Still confused how to install the
> pilot
> > > > > > bearing
> > > > > >> > and throwout bearing. What I'm guessing is the pilot bearing is
> in
> > > the
> > > > > >> > flywheel, not the crank. Also unsure how I'm going to actually
> put
> > > it
> > > > > > the
> > > > > >> > trans up there.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > The re-install of the clutch seems straightforward. Bolt the
> > > flywheel
> > > > > > back
> > > > > >> > on, torque to 15lbs, 30lbs, and 50lbs. Install the clutch disk
> and
> > > > > > pressure
> > > > > >> > plate, torque to 23lbs. Pull out the alignment tool, get a good
> > > workout
> > > > > >> > getting the trans and t-case assembly back up there.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > still interested in that drink, Robb? :-D
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Carl
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > "Robb S via CarKB.com" <forum@CarKB.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >> > news:522B679C544DA@CarKB.com...
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > SO Carl, how'd it all turn out?
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Robb S wrote:
> > > > > >> > > >LOL
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > >> Let's hope.
> > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > >>> but the Crank is still in the middle of the flywheel ;)
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > --
> > > > > >> > > Message posted via http://www.carkb.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >

 

That sounds right. As Earl mentions, you don't want too much in there.

Mike

Carl Saiyed wrote:
>
> Nope, just a little bit of red hi-temp bearing grease. The clutch kit
> included a small packet of grease that is intended for the pilot bearing and
> the input shaft. Will the small packet be all I need?
>
> Sorry for the confusion.
>
> Carl
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:42F0C789.99CD7EF5@sympatico.ca...
> > Bingo!
> >
> > We were talking apples and oranges for sure there Carl, sorry about the
> > confusion.
> >
> > I for one and most others were taking about the 258. As soon as I saw
> > that first photo with the CPS cutouts and the pilot in the flywheel
> > itself (yes you are correct) I knew you weren't talking a carb engine.
> >
> > So now begs the question about how to keep that bearing lubricated. The
> > 258 uses a foam or felt oil soaked pad that sits in the depression in
> > the end of the crank. Did some dirty gooey chunk of crap come out of
> > that hole?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > >
> > > OK guys, I am completely confused now. There appears to be a a provision
> in
> > > the back of the crank to accomodate a raised casting in the flywheel
> that
> > > the pilot bearing sits in. Here are some pics
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/...l/flywheel.jpg
> > > This is the face of the flywheel that I had machined. The pilot bearing
> has
> > > an arrow.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/...el/flyrear.jpg
> > > This is the rear (engine side) of the flywheel, which shows the rear of
> the
> > > pilot bearing and the raised casting on the flywheel.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/pilot.jpg
> > > This is a closeup of the raised casting in the rear (engine side) of the
> > > flywheel and the pilot bearing.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/engine.jpg
> > > This is the rear of the engine, which shows the six holes for the
> flywheel
> > > bolts, and the provision for the raised casting.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/flywheel/crank.jpg
> > > This is a closeup of the provision for the raised casting on the
> flywheel.
> > >
> > > Am I right that this bearing is the pilot bearing?
> > >
> > > Looking back at the thread, I think I see the problem. I have the 2.5L 4
> > > banger, not the 258 or 4.0.
> > >
> > > Carl
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:42EF856A.E2D6C361@sympatico.ca...
> > > > Ok.... I am missing something here or someone is..... I have had an
> 86
> > > > engine apart, an 89, a 91 and my current engine is a 78.
> > > >
> > > > All of these engines have a flywheel bolted onto the end of the crank.
> > > > The hole in the flywheel is about 4" big with the end of the crank
> > > > sitting in this hole. In the crank there is a hole for the pilot
> > > > bushing (CJ's) or bearing (YJ's).
> > > >
> > > > When I take this flywheel and ring gear off, I have a 4" hole in it
> with
> > > > 5 bolts in an offset pattern.
> > > >
> > > > When I took the cranks in to get them turned, the shops pulled out the
> > > > old pilot bearing for me so I could put a new one into the end of the
> > > > crank. I did not take the flywheels in with me.
> > > >
> > > > Here is a drawing (A Bill H link) exactly the same all the 258 engines
> I
> > > > have worked on showing the pilot bushing as part number 1.043-1. This
> > > > also shows it as a crank part with a perfect example of 'all' the
> > > > flywheels I have ever seen on a 258.
> > > >
> > > > http://amccf.com/tech/new/SIX-block_crank_cam.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Greg wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > My 81 CJ was exactly as you discribe, hole in the middle of
> flywheel,
> > > > > bearing in that.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:42eedae3_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > > > > > Mike -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't understand how the bearing could be in the end of the
> crank.
> > > The
> > > > > > new
> > > > > > bearing supplied with my kit seems to be an exact match of the
> bearing
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > is in the flywheel. I currently have the flywheel removed, and it
> was
> > > > > > machined.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks to all for the help so far.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carl
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:42EE1920.14E028CF@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > >> You are going to need a puller for the pilot bearing and it is in
> the
> > > > > >> center of the works or in the end of the crank. Don't miss the
> oiled
> > > > > >> pad or you will be doing the job again in a short time.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> You should remove the flywheel and have it turned so it isn't
> grabby.
> > > > > >> Once you have the flywheel out, you will see the big center hole
> > > where
> > > > > >> the crank fits with the pilot bearing still sitting there in the
> end
> > > of
> > > > > >> the engine.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Mike
> > > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > The trans is laying on the floor under the jeep, the surfaced
> > > flywheel
> > > > > > is on
> > > > > >> > the bench, the clutch and bearings are in the mail. The
> driveshafts
> > > and
> > > > > >> > exhaust are on the floor, the carpet and access panels are out,
> and
> > > my
> > > > > > head
> > > > > >> > hurts.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I've been working 12-14hr days so I wont have any time to slam
> it
> > > all
> > > > > > back
> > > > > >> > together untill saturday. Still confused how to install the
> pilot
> > > > > > bearing
> > > > > >> > and throwout bearing. What I'm guessing is the pilot bearing is
> in
> > > the
> > > > > >> > flywheel, not the crank. Also unsure how I'm going to actually
> put
> > > it
> > > > > > the
> > > > > >> > trans up there.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > The re-install of the clutch seems straightforward. Bolt the
> > > flywheel
> > > > > > back
> > > > > >> > on, torque to 15lbs, 30lbs, and 50lbs. Install the clutch disk
> and
> > > > > > pressure
> > > > > >> > plate, torque to 23lbs. Pull out the alignment tool, get a good
> > > workout
> > > > > >> > getting the trans and t-case assembly back up there.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > still interested in that drink, Robb? :-D
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Carl
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > "Robb S via CarKB.com" <forum@CarKB.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >> > news:522B679C544DA@CarKB.com...
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > SO Carl, how'd it all turn out?
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Robb S wrote:
> > > > > >> > > >LOL
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > >> Let's hope.
> > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > >>> but the Crank is still in the middle of the flywheel ;)
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >