Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
 

"Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:QVx0h.23$HD6.19@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
> BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a
> closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run
> so clean that doesn't work anymore.
>
> Jeff DeWitt

I hope that was a joke, although some will not read it as such.

I read, but don't post, because, while we have two Jeeps, I am mostly here
to learn, but this caught my attention.

It does not make any difference how "clean" a car runs. It is the
exhaustion of usable oxygen in the closed garage that causes death. Maybe
there is less carbon monoxide (which I doubt) but no matter how "clean" the
car is, you will still die. Maybe ten minutes longer, but the end will be
the same.

The Hemlock Society has a new name...

http://www.nrlc.org/news/2003/NRL08/...or_an_imag.htm

The internet is wonderful but leads young people, who believe all of the
"urban legends" that they hear, astray. I would not want to plant an urban
legend (even in jest) and find, later, that someone tried it, and died.


>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>> Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> DougW wrote:
>>
>>>Yea.. it's spam.
>>>
>>>But it's also a darn good time to remind folks
>>>that running a vehicle in a garage without proper
>>>ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you.
>>>
>>>The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage.
>>>Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that
>>>hasn't been raised on a 18" stand.
>>>(which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new
>>>construction in all States)
>>>
>>>But back to the garage.
>>>
>>>http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html
>>>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html
>>>http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm
>>>http://www.nsgv.com/
>>>http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html
>>>
>>>For those of you with BIG garages.
>>>http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm
>>>
>>>The basics:
>>>
>>>1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s)
>>>2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire.
>>>3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn
>>> back into the house.
>>>4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port.
>>>
>>>The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves
>>>the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure
>>>environment that helps pull fresh air in.
>>>
>>>Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow
>>>exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent.
>>>It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO
>>>sensor in the garage.
>>>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html
>>>
>>>Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned
>>>and adjusted properly so you save money.
>>>
>>>And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;)
>>>
>>>--
>>>Doug(I need a beer)W

Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
 

"Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:QVx0h.23$HD6.19@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
> BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a
> closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run
> so clean that doesn't work anymore.
>
> Jeff DeWitt

I hope that was a joke, although some will not read it as such.

I read, but don't post, because, while we have two Jeeps, I am mostly here
to learn, but this caught my attention.

It does not make any difference how "clean" a car runs. It is the
exhaustion of usable oxygen in the closed garage that causes death. Maybe
there is less carbon monoxide (which I doubt) but no matter how "clean" the
car is, you will still die. Maybe ten minutes longer, but the end will be
the same.

The Hemlock Society has a new name...

http://www.nrlc.org/news/2003/NRL08/...or_an_imag.htm

The internet is wonderful but leads young people, who believe all of the
"urban legends" that they hear, astray. I would not want to plant an urban
legend (even in jest) and find, later, that someone tried it, and died.


>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>> Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> DougW wrote:
>>
>>>Yea.. it's spam.
>>>
>>>But it's also a darn good time to remind folks
>>>that running a vehicle in a garage without proper
>>>ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you.
>>>
>>>The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage.
>>>Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that
>>>hasn't been raised on a 18" stand.
>>>(which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new
>>>construction in all States)
>>>
>>>But back to the garage.
>>>
>>>http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html
>>>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html
>>>http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm
>>>http://www.nsgv.com/
>>>http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html
>>>
>>>For those of you with BIG garages.
>>>http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm
>>>
>>>The basics:
>>>
>>>1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s)
>>>2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire.
>>>3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn
>>> back into the house.
>>>4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port.
>>>
>>>The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves
>>>the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure
>>>environment that helps pull fresh air in.
>>>
>>>Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow
>>>exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent.
>>>It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO
>>>sensor in the garage.
>>>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html
>>>
>>>Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned
>>>and adjusted properly so you save money.
>>>
>>>And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;)
>>>
>>>--
>>>Doug(I need a beer)W

Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
 

It was not a joke, but I'm in no way suggesting it's a good idea to run
an engine in a closed garage! (or paint, use strong solvents, weld...)

Jeff DeWitt

Billzz wrote:
> "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:QVx0h.23$HD6.19@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
>
>>BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a
>>closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run
>>so clean that doesn't work anymore.
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
>
>
> I hope that was a joke, although some will not read it as such.
>
> I read, but don't post, because, while we have two Jeeps, I am mostly here
> to learn, but this caught my attention.
>
> It does not make any difference how "clean" a car runs. It is the
> exhaustion of usable oxygen in the closed garage that causes death. Maybe
> there is less carbon monoxide (which I doubt) but no matter how "clean" the
> car is, you will still die. Maybe ten minutes longer, but the end will be
> the same.
>
> The Hemlock Society has a new name...
>
> http://www.nrlc.org/news/2003/NRL08/...or_an_imag.htm
>
> The internet is wonderful but leads young people, who believe all of the
> "urban legends" that they hear, astray. I would not want to plant an urban
> legend (even in jest) and find, later, that someone tried it, and died.
>
>
>
>>L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>>
>>> Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>DougW wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Yea.. it's spam.
>>>>
>>>>But it's also a darn good time to remind folks
>>>>that running a vehicle in a garage without proper
>>>>ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you.
>>>>
>>>>The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage.
>>>>Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that
>>>>hasn't been raised on a 18" stand.
>>>>(which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new
>>>>construction in all States)
>>>>
>>>>But back to the garage.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html
>>>>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html
>>>>http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm
>>>>http://www.nsgv.com/
>>>>http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html
>>>>
>>>>For those of you with BIG garages.
>>>>http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm
>>>>
>>>>The basics:
>>>>
>>>>1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s)
>>>>2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire.
>>>>3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn
>>>> back into the house.
>>>>4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port.
>>>>
>>>>The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves
>>>>the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure
>>>>environment that helps pull fresh air in.
>>>>
>>>>Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow
>>>>exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent.
>>>>It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO
>>>>sensor in the garage.
>>>>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html
>>>>
>>>>Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned
>>>>and adjusted properly so you save money.
>>>>
>>>>And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;)
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Doug(I need a beer)W
>
>
>

Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
 

It was not a joke, but I'm in no way suggesting it's a good idea to run
an engine in a closed garage! (or paint, use strong solvents, weld...)

Jeff DeWitt

Billzz wrote:
> "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:QVx0h.23$HD6.19@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
>
>>BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a
>>closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run
>>so clean that doesn't work anymore.
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
>
>
> I hope that was a joke, although some will not read it as such.
>
> I read, but don't post, because, while we have two Jeeps, I am mostly here
> to learn, but this caught my attention.
>
> It does not make any difference how "clean" a car runs. It is the
> exhaustion of usable oxygen in the closed garage that causes death. Maybe
> there is less carbon monoxide (which I doubt) but no matter how "clean" the
> car is, you will still die. Maybe ten minutes longer, but the end will be
> the same.
>
> The Hemlock Society has a new name...
>
> http://www.nrlc.org/news/2003/NRL08/...or_an_imag.htm
>
> The internet is wonderful but leads young people, who believe all of the
> "urban legends" that they hear, astray. I would not want to plant an urban
> legend (even in jest) and find, later, that someone tried it, and died.
>
>
>
>>L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>>
>>> Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>DougW wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Yea.. it's spam.
>>>>
>>>>But it's also a darn good time to remind folks
>>>>that running a vehicle in a garage without proper
>>>>ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you.
>>>>
>>>>The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage.
>>>>Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that
>>>>hasn't been raised on a 18" stand.
>>>>(which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new
>>>>construction in all States)
>>>>
>>>>But back to the garage.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html
>>>>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html
>>>>http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm
>>>>http://www.nsgv.com/
>>>>http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html
>>>>
>>>>For those of you with BIG garages.
>>>>http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm
>>>>
>>>>The basics:
>>>>
>>>>1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s)
>>>>2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire.
>>>>3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn
>>>> back into the house.
>>>>4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port.
>>>>
>>>>The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves
>>>>the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure
>>>>environment that helps pull fresh air in.
>>>>
>>>>Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow
>>>>exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent.
>>>>It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO
>>>>sensor in the garage.
>>>>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html
>>>>
>>>>Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned
>>>>and adjusted properly so you save money.
>>>>
>>>>And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;)
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Doug(I need a beer)W
>
>
>

Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
 

It was not a joke, but I'm in no way suggesting it's a good idea to run
an engine in a closed garage! (or paint, use strong solvents, weld...)

Jeff DeWitt

Billzz wrote:
> "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:QVx0h.23$HD6.19@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
>
>>BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a
>>closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run
>>so clean that doesn't work anymore.
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
>
>
> I hope that was a joke, although some will not read it as such.
>
> I read, but don't post, because, while we have two Jeeps, I am mostly here
> to learn, but this caught my attention.
>
> It does not make any difference how "clean" a car runs. It is the
> exhaustion of usable oxygen in the closed garage that causes death. Maybe
> there is less carbon monoxide (which I doubt) but no matter how "clean" the
> car is, you will still die. Maybe ten minutes longer, but the end will be
> the same.
>
> The Hemlock Society has a new name...
>
> http://www.nrlc.org/news/2003/NRL08/...or_an_imag.htm
>
> The internet is wonderful but leads young people, who believe all of the
> "urban legends" that they hear, astray. I would not want to plant an urban
> legend (even in jest) and find, later, that someone tried it, and died.
>
>
>
>>L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>>
>>> Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>DougW wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Yea.. it's spam.
>>>>
>>>>But it's also a darn good time to remind folks
>>>>that running a vehicle in a garage without proper
>>>>ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you.
>>>>
>>>>The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage.
>>>>Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that
>>>>hasn't been raised on a 18" stand.
>>>>(which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new
>>>>construction in all States)
>>>>
>>>>But back to the garage.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html
>>>>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html
>>>>http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm
>>>>http://www.nsgv.com/
>>>>http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html
>>>>
>>>>For those of you with BIG garages.
>>>>http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm
>>>>
>>>>The basics:
>>>>
>>>>1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s)
>>>>2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire.
>>>>3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn
>>>> back into the house.
>>>>4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port.
>>>>
>>>>The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves
>>>>the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure
>>>>environment that helps pull fresh air in.
>>>>
>>>>Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow
>>>>exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent.
>>>>It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO
>>>>sensor in the garage.
>>>>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html
>>>>
>>>>Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned
>>>>and adjusted properly so you save money.
>>>>
>>>>And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;)
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Doug(I need a beer)W
>
>
>

Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
 

Unburned gas has a way of coating our cells so that we can not use
the oxygen in the air. Like the only way to save a victim would be in a
pressurized chamber forcing the gases exchange.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Billzz wrote:
>
> I hope that was a joke, although some will not read it as such.
>
> I read, but don't post, because, while we have two Jeeps, I am mostly here
> to learn, but this caught my attention.
>
> It does not make any difference how "clean" a car runs. It is the
> exhaustion of usable oxygen in the closed garage that causes death. Maybe
> there is less carbon monoxide (which I doubt) but no matter how "clean" the
> car is, you will still die. Maybe ten minutes longer, but the end will be
> the same.
>
> The Hemlock Society has a new name...
>
> http://www.nrlc.org/news/2003/NRL08/...or_an_imag.htm
>
> The internet is wonderful but leads young people, who believe all of the
> "urban legends" that they hear, astray. I would not want to plant an urban
> legend (even in jest) and find, later, that someone tried it, and died.

Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
 

Unburned gas has a way of coating our cells so that we can not use
the oxygen in the air. Like the only way to save a victim would be in a
pressurized chamber forcing the gases exchange.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Billzz wrote:
>
> I hope that was a joke, although some will not read it as such.
>
> I read, but don't post, because, while we have two Jeeps, I am mostly here
> to learn, but this caught my attention.
>
> It does not make any difference how "clean" a car runs. It is the
> exhaustion of usable oxygen in the closed garage that causes death. Maybe
> there is less carbon monoxide (which I doubt) but no matter how "clean" the
> car is, you will still die. Maybe ten minutes longer, but the end will be
> the same.
>
> The Hemlock Society has a new name...
>
> http://www.nrlc.org/news/2003/NRL08/...or_an_imag.htm
>
> The internet is wonderful but leads young people, who believe all of the
> "urban legends" that they hear, astray. I would not want to plant an urban
> legend (even in jest) and find, later, that someone tried it, and died.

Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
 

Unburned gas has a way of coating our cells so that we can not use
the oxygen in the air. Like the only way to save a victim would be in a
pressurized chamber forcing the gases exchange.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Billzz wrote:
>
> I hope that was a joke, although some will not read it as such.
>
> I read, but don't post, because, while we have two Jeeps, I am mostly here
> to learn, but this caught my attention.
>
> It does not make any difference how "clean" a car runs. It is the
> exhaustion of usable oxygen in the closed garage that causes death. Maybe
> there is less carbon monoxide (which I doubt) but no matter how "clean" the
> car is, you will still die. Maybe ten minutes longer, but the end will be
> the same.
>
> The Hemlock Society has a new name...
>
> http://www.nrlc.org/news/2003/NRL08/...or_an_imag.htm
>
> The internet is wonderful but leads young people, who believe all of the
> "urban legends" that they hear, astray. I would not want to plant an urban
> legend (even in jest) and find, later, that someone tried it, and died.

Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
 

Want to bet your a$$ on that fact? I don't.

Just last year a retired local fireman was killed in his home - not in
the garage but in an adjacent room - when he left his early-2000's
Grand Cherokee running in the garage then went of sleep without
turning it off (or because he didn't turn it off).

3 - 4 years back, a couple of AF Academy cadets in a brand new car got
stuck in a blizzard coming back across Kansas. They found the dead of
CO poisoning the next morning. Snow had blocked the tailpipe.

In the last blizzard thru here, a couple slid off the road into a
ditch and couldn't get out. Snow blew up over the side of the car and
basically funneled the exhaust back into the vehicle. From cell phone
calls, it was know that they were running the engine intermittently
for heat but they were found dead the next morning.

CO is deadly at relatively low concentrations, well below the typical
exhaust measurements we see for smog tests on current model vehicles.
You do no one any favors posting this without competent references -
the reported events contradict your claim.

On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:57:20 UTC Jeffrey DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com>
wrote:

> BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a
> closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run
> so clean that doesn't work anymore.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> > Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > DougW wrote:
> >
> >>Yea.. it's spam.
> >>
> >>But it's also a darn good time to remind folks
> >>that running a vehicle in a garage without proper
> >>ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you.
> >>
> >>The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage.
> >>Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that
> >>hasn't been raised on a 18" stand.
> >>(which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new
> >>construction in all States)
> >>
> >>But back to the garage.
> >>
> >>http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html
> >>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html
> >>http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm
> >>http://www.nsgv.com/
> >>http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html
> >>
> >>For those of you with BIG garages.
> >>http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm
> >>
> >>The basics:
> >>
> >>1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s)
> >>2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire.
> >>3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn
> >> back into the house.
> >>4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port.
> >>
> >>The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves
> >>the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure
> >>environment that helps pull fresh air in.
> >>
> >>Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow
> >>exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent.
> >>It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO
> >>sensor in the garage.
> >>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html
> >>
> >>Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned
> >>and adjusted properly so you save money.
> >>
> >>And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;)
> >>
> >>--
> >>Doug(I need a beer)W


--
Will Honea

Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
 

Want to bet your a$$ on that fact? I don't.

Just last year a retired local fireman was killed in his home - not in
the garage but in an adjacent room - when he left his early-2000's
Grand Cherokee running in the garage then went of sleep without
turning it off (or because he didn't turn it off).

3 - 4 years back, a couple of AF Academy cadets in a brand new car got
stuck in a blizzard coming back across Kansas. They found the dead of
CO poisoning the next morning. Snow had blocked the tailpipe.

In the last blizzard thru here, a couple slid off the road into a
ditch and couldn't get out. Snow blew up over the side of the car and
basically funneled the exhaust back into the vehicle. From cell phone
calls, it was know that they were running the engine intermittently
for heat but they were found dead the next morning.

CO is deadly at relatively low concentrations, well below the typical
exhaust measurements we see for smog tests on current model vehicles.
You do no one any favors posting this without competent references -
the reported events contradict your claim.

On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:57:20 UTC Jeffrey DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com>
wrote:

> BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a
> closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run
> so clean that doesn't work anymore.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> > Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > DougW wrote:
> >
> >>Yea.. it's spam.
> >>
> >>But it's also a darn good time to remind folks
> >>that running a vehicle in a garage without proper
> >>ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you.
> >>
> >>The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage.
> >>Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that
> >>hasn't been raised on a 18" stand.
> >>(which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new
> >>construction in all States)
> >>
> >>But back to the garage.
> >>
> >>http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html
> >>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html
> >>http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm
> >>http://www.nsgv.com/
> >>http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html
> >>
> >>For those of you with BIG garages.
> >>http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm
> >>
> >>The basics:
> >>
> >>1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s)
> >>2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire.
> >>3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn
> >> back into the house.
> >>4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port.
> >>
> >>The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves
> >>the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure
> >>environment that helps pull fresh air in.
> >>
> >>Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow
> >>exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent.
> >>It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO
> >>sensor in the garage.
> >>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html
> >>
> >>Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned
> >>and adjusted properly so you save money.
> >>
> >>And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;)
> >>
> >>--
> >>Doug(I need a beer)W


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Will Honea