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Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
Working in your garage?? Carbon monoxide poisoning is a leading cause
of garage related injuries...Since it's the time of year we all shut the doors to save heat...it's also the time to make sure our exhaust hose equipment is safe and free of leaks. Please visit us at www.standardus.com to get replacement hoses, exhaust adaptors, door ports or anything else you might need for your garage. Be safe! The folks at www.standardus.com |
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Umm..... it was 85 today here in sunny florida anyways
Troy fwoitel@gmail.com wrote: > Working in your garage?? Carbon monoxide poisoning is a leading cause > of garage related injuries...Since it's the time of year we all shut > the doors to save heat...it's also the time to make sure our exhaust > hose equipment is safe and free of leaks. Please visit us at > www.standardus.com to get replacement hoses, exhaust adaptors, door > ports or anything else you might need for your garage. > > Be safe! > > The folks at www.standardus.com |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
Umm..... it was 85 today here in sunny florida anyways
Troy fwoitel@gmail.com wrote: > Working in your garage?? Carbon monoxide poisoning is a leading cause > of garage related injuries...Since it's the time of year we all shut > the doors to save heat...it's also the time to make sure our exhaust > hose equipment is safe and free of leaks. Please visit us at > www.standardus.com to get replacement hoses, exhaust adaptors, door > ports or anything else you might need for your garage. > > Be safe! > > The folks at www.standardus.com |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
Umm..... it was 85 today here in sunny florida anyways
Troy fwoitel@gmail.com wrote: > Working in your garage?? Carbon monoxide poisoning is a leading cause > of garage related injuries...Since it's the time of year we all shut > the doors to save heat...it's also the time to make sure our exhaust > hose equipment is safe and free of leaks. Please visit us at > www.standardus.com to get replacement hoses, exhaust adaptors, door > ports or anything else you might need for your garage. > > Be safe! > > The folks at www.standardus.com |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
Yea.. it's spam.
But it's also a darn good time to remind folks that running a vehicle in a garage without proper ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you. The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage. Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that hasn't been raised on a 18" stand. (which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new construction in all States) But back to the garage. http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm http://www.nsgv.com/ http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html For those of you with BIG garages. http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm The basics: 1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s) 2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire. 3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn back into the house. 4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port. The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure environment that helps pull fresh air in. Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent. It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO sensor in the garage. http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned and adjusted properly so you save money. And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;) -- Doug(I need a beer)W |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
Yea.. it's spam.
But it's also a darn good time to remind folks that running a vehicle in a garage without proper ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you. The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage. Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that hasn't been raised on a 18" stand. (which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new construction in all States) But back to the garage. http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm http://www.nsgv.com/ http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html For those of you with BIG garages. http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm The basics: 1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s) 2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire. 3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn back into the house. 4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port. The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure environment that helps pull fresh air in. Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent. It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO sensor in the garage. http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned and adjusted properly so you save money. And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;) -- Doug(I need a beer)W |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
Yea.. it's spam.
But it's also a darn good time to remind folks that running a vehicle in a garage without proper ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you. The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage. Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that hasn't been raised on a 18" stand. (which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new construction in all States) But back to the garage. http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm http://www.nsgv.com/ http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html For those of you with BIG garages. http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm The basics: 1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s) 2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire. 3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn back into the house. 4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port. The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure environment that helps pull fresh air in. Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent. It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO sensor in the garage. http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned and adjusted properly so you save money. And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;) -- Doug(I need a beer)W |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ DougW wrote: > > Yea.. it's spam. > > But it's also a darn good time to remind folks > that running a vehicle in a garage without proper > ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you. > > The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage. > Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that > hasn't been raised on a 18" stand. > (which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new > construction in all States) > > But back to the garage. > > http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html > http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html > http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm > http://www.nsgv.com/ > http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html > > For those of you with BIG garages. > http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm > > The basics: > > 1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s) > 2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire. > 3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn > back into the house. > 4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port. > > The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves > the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure > environment that helps pull fresh air in. > > Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow > exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent. > It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO > sensor in the garage. > http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html > > Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned > and adjusted properly so you save money. > > And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;) > > -- > Doug(I need a beer)W |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ DougW wrote: > > Yea.. it's spam. > > But it's also a darn good time to remind folks > that running a vehicle in a garage without proper > ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you. > > The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage. > Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that > hasn't been raised on a 18" stand. > (which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new > construction in all States) > > But back to the garage. > > http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html > http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html > http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm > http://www.nsgv.com/ > http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html > > For those of you with BIG garages. > http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm > > The basics: > > 1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s) > 2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire. > 3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn > back into the house. > 4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port. > > The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves > the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure > environment that helps pull fresh air in. > > Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow > exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent. > It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO > sensor in the garage. > http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html > > Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned > and adjusted properly so you save money. > > And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;) > > -- > Doug(I need a beer)W |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ DougW wrote: > > Yea.. it's spam. > > But it's also a darn good time to remind folks > that running a vehicle in a garage without proper > ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you. > > The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage. > Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that > hasn't been raised on a 18" stand. > (which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new > construction in all States) > > But back to the garage. > > http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html > http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html > http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm > http://www.nsgv.com/ > http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html > > For those of you with BIG garages. > http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm > > The basics: > > 1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s) > 2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire. > 3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn > back into the house. > 4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port. > > The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves > the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure > environment that helps pull fresh air in. > > Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow > exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent. > It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO > sensor in the garage. > http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html > > Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned > and adjusted properly so you save money. > > And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;) > > -- > Doug(I need a beer)W |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a
closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run so clean that doesn't work anymore. Jeff DeWitt L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > DougW wrote: > >>Yea.. it's spam. >> >>But it's also a darn good time to remind folks >>that running a vehicle in a garage without proper >>ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you. >> >>The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage. >>Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that >>hasn't been raised on a 18" stand. >>(which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new >>construction in all States) >> >>But back to the garage. >> >>http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html >>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html >>http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm >>http://www.nsgv.com/ >>http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html >> >>For those of you with BIG garages. >>http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm >> >>The basics: >> >>1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s) >>2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire. >>3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn >> back into the house. >>4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port. >> >>The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves >>the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure >>environment that helps pull fresh air in. >> >>Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow >>exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent. >>It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO >>sensor in the garage. >>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html >> >>Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned >>and adjusted properly so you save money. >> >>And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;) >> >>-- >>Doug(I need a beer)W |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a
closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run so clean that doesn't work anymore. Jeff DeWitt L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > DougW wrote: > >>Yea.. it's spam. >> >>But it's also a darn good time to remind folks >>that running a vehicle in a garage without proper >>ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you. >> >>The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage. >>Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that >>hasn't been raised on a 18" stand. >>(which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new >>construction in all States) >> >>But back to the garage. >> >>http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html >>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html >>http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm >>http://www.nsgv.com/ >>http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html >> >>For those of you with BIG garages. >>http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm >> >>The basics: >> >>1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s) >>2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire. >>3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn >> back into the house. >>4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port. >> >>The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves >>the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure >>environment that helps pull fresh air in. >> >>Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow >>exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent. >>It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO >>sensor in the garage. >>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html >> >>Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned >>and adjusted properly so you save money. >> >>And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;) >> >>-- >>Doug(I need a beer)W |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a
closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run so clean that doesn't work anymore. Jeff DeWitt L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > DougW wrote: > >>Yea.. it's spam. >> >>But it's also a darn good time to remind folks >>that running a vehicle in a garage without proper >>ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you. >> >>The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage. >>Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that >>hasn't been raised on a 18" stand. >>(which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new >>construction in all States) >> >>But back to the garage. >> >>http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html >>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html >>http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm >>http://www.nsgv.com/ >>http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html >> >>For those of you with BIG garages. >>http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm >> >>The basics: >> >>1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s) >>2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire. >>3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn >> back into the house. >>4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port. >> >>The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves >>the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure >>environment that helps pull fresh air in. >> >>Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow >>exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent. >>It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO >>sensor in the garage. >>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html >> >>Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned >>and adjusted properly so you save money. >> >>And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;) >> >>-- >>Doug(I need a beer)W |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
That's what I hear. Carbon Monoxide:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide I'm reminded of an old movie with Jimmy Stewart and Betty Davis, called "Right of Way". God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Jeffrey DeWitt wrote: > > BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a > closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run > so clean that doesn't work anymore. > > Jeff DeWitt |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
That's what I hear. Carbon Monoxide:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide I'm reminded of an old movie with Jimmy Stewart and Betty Davis, called "Right of Way". God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Jeffrey DeWitt wrote: > > BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a > closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run > so clean that doesn't work anymore. > > Jeff DeWitt |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
That's what I hear. Carbon Monoxide:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide I'm reminded of an old movie with Jimmy Stewart and Betty Davis, called "Right of Way". God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Jeffrey DeWitt wrote: > > BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a > closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run > so clean that doesn't work anymore. > > Jeff DeWitt |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
"Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:QVx0h.23$HD6.19@tornado.southeast.rr.com... > BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a > closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run > so clean that doesn't work anymore. > > Jeff DeWitt I hope that was a joke, although some will not read it as such. I read, but don't post, because, while we have two Jeeps, I am mostly here to learn, but this caught my attention. It does not make any difference how "clean" a car runs. It is the exhaustion of usable oxygen in the closed garage that causes death. Maybe there is less carbon monoxide (which I doubt) but no matter how "clean" the car is, you will still die. Maybe ten minutes longer, but the end will be the same. The Hemlock Society has a new name... http://www.nrlc.org/news/2003/NRL08/...or_an_imag.htm The internet is wonderful but leads young people, who believe all of the "urban legends" that they hear, astray. I would not want to plant an urban legend (even in jest) and find, later, that someone tried it, and died. > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: >> Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of. >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >> >> DougW wrote: >> >>>Yea.. it's spam. >>> >>>But it's also a darn good time to remind folks >>>that running a vehicle in a garage without proper >>>ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you. >>> >>>The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage. >>>Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that >>>hasn't been raised on a 18" stand. >>>(which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new >>>construction in all States) >>> >>>But back to the garage. >>> >>>http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html >>>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html >>>http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm >>>http://www.nsgv.com/ >>>http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html >>> >>>For those of you with BIG garages. >>>http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm >>> >>>The basics: >>> >>>1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s) >>>2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire. >>>3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn >>> back into the house. >>>4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port. >>> >>>The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves >>>the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure >>>environment that helps pull fresh air in. >>> >>>Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow >>>exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent. >>>It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO >>>sensor in the garage. >>>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html >>> >>>Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned >>>and adjusted properly so you save money. >>> >>>And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;) >>> >>>-- >>>Doug(I need a beer)W |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
"Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:QVx0h.23$HD6.19@tornado.southeast.rr.com... > BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a > closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run > so clean that doesn't work anymore. > > Jeff DeWitt I hope that was a joke, although some will not read it as such. I read, but don't post, because, while we have two Jeeps, I am mostly here to learn, but this caught my attention. It does not make any difference how "clean" a car runs. It is the exhaustion of usable oxygen in the closed garage that causes death. Maybe there is less carbon monoxide (which I doubt) but no matter how "clean" the car is, you will still die. Maybe ten minutes longer, but the end will be the same. The Hemlock Society has a new name... http://www.nrlc.org/news/2003/NRL08/...or_an_imag.htm The internet is wonderful but leads young people, who believe all of the "urban legends" that they hear, astray. I would not want to plant an urban legend (even in jest) and find, later, that someone tried it, and died. > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: >> Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of. >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >> >> DougW wrote: >> >>>Yea.. it's spam. >>> >>>But it's also a darn good time to remind folks >>>that running a vehicle in a garage without proper >>>ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you. >>> >>>The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage. >>>Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that >>>hasn't been raised on a 18" stand. >>>(which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new >>>construction in all States) >>> >>>But back to the garage. >>> >>>http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html >>>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html >>>http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm >>>http://www.nsgv.com/ >>>http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html >>> >>>For those of you with BIG garages. >>>http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm >>> >>>The basics: >>> >>>1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s) >>>2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire. >>>3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn >>> back into the house. >>>4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port. >>> >>>The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves >>>the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure >>>environment that helps pull fresh air in. >>> >>>Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow >>>exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent. >>>It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO >>>sensor in the garage. >>>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html >>> >>>Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned >>>and adjusted properly so you save money. >>> >>>And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;) >>> >>>-- >>>Doug(I need a beer)W |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
"Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:QVx0h.23$HD6.19@tornado.southeast.rr.com... > BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a > closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run > so clean that doesn't work anymore. > > Jeff DeWitt I hope that was a joke, although some will not read it as such. I read, but don't post, because, while we have two Jeeps, I am mostly here to learn, but this caught my attention. It does not make any difference how "clean" a car runs. It is the exhaustion of usable oxygen in the closed garage that causes death. Maybe there is less carbon monoxide (which I doubt) but no matter how "clean" the car is, you will still die. Maybe ten minutes longer, but the end will be the same. The Hemlock Society has a new name... http://www.nrlc.org/news/2003/NRL08/...or_an_imag.htm The internet is wonderful but leads young people, who believe all of the "urban legends" that they hear, astray. I would not want to plant an urban legend (even in jest) and find, later, that someone tried it, and died. > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: >> Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of. >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >> >> DougW wrote: >> >>>Yea.. it's spam. >>> >>>But it's also a darn good time to remind folks >>>that running a vehicle in a garage without proper >>>ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you. >>> >>>The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage. >>>Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that >>>hasn't been raised on a 18" stand. >>>(which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new >>>construction in all States) >>> >>>But back to the garage. >>> >>>http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html >>>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html >>>http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm >>>http://www.nsgv.com/ >>>http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html >>> >>>For those of you with BIG garages. >>>http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm >>> >>>The basics: >>> >>>1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s) >>>2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire. >>>3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn >>> back into the house. >>>4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port. >>> >>>The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves >>>the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure >>>environment that helps pull fresh air in. >>> >>>Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow >>>exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent. >>>It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO >>>sensor in the garage. >>>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html >>> >>>Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned >>>and adjusted properly so you save money. >>> >>>And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;) >>> >>>-- >>>Doug(I need a beer)W |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
It was not a joke, but I'm in no way suggesting it's a good idea to run
an engine in a closed garage! (or paint, use strong solvents, weld...) Jeff DeWitt Billzz wrote: > "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message > news:QVx0h.23$HD6.19@tornado.southeast.rr.com... > >>BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a >>closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run >>so clean that doesn't work anymore. >> >>Jeff DeWitt > > > I hope that was a joke, although some will not read it as such. > > I read, but don't post, because, while we have two Jeeps, I am mostly here > to learn, but this caught my attention. > > It does not make any difference how "clean" a car runs. It is the > exhaustion of usable oxygen in the closed garage that causes death. Maybe > there is less carbon monoxide (which I doubt) but no matter how "clean" the > car is, you will still die. Maybe ten minutes longer, but the end will be > the same. > > The Hemlock Society has a new name... > > http://www.nrlc.org/news/2003/NRL08/...or_an_imag.htm > > The internet is wonderful but leads young people, who believe all of the > "urban legends" that they hear, astray. I would not want to plant an urban > legend (even in jest) and find, later, that someone tried it, and died. > > > >>L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: >> >>> Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of. >>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >>> >>>DougW wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Yea.. it's spam. >>>> >>>>But it's also a darn good time to remind folks >>>>that running a vehicle in a garage without proper >>>>ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you. >>>> >>>>The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage. >>>>Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that >>>>hasn't been raised on a 18" stand. >>>>(which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new >>>>construction in all States) >>>> >>>>But back to the garage. >>>> >>>>http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html >>>>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html >>>>http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm >>>>http://www.nsgv.com/ >>>>http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html >>>> >>>>For those of you with BIG garages. >>>>http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm >>>> >>>>The basics: >>>> >>>>1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s) >>>>2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire. >>>>3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn >>>> back into the house. >>>>4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port. >>>> >>>>The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves >>>>the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure >>>>environment that helps pull fresh air in. >>>> >>>>Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow >>>>exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent. >>>>It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO >>>>sensor in the garage. >>>>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html >>>> >>>>Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned >>>>and adjusted properly so you save money. >>>> >>>>And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;) >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Doug(I need a beer)W > > > |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
It was not a joke, but I'm in no way suggesting it's a good idea to run
an engine in a closed garage! (or paint, use strong solvents, weld...) Jeff DeWitt Billzz wrote: > "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message > news:QVx0h.23$HD6.19@tornado.southeast.rr.com... > >>BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a >>closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run >>so clean that doesn't work anymore. >> >>Jeff DeWitt > > > I hope that was a joke, although some will not read it as such. > > I read, but don't post, because, while we have two Jeeps, I am mostly here > to learn, but this caught my attention. > > It does not make any difference how "clean" a car runs. It is the > exhaustion of usable oxygen in the closed garage that causes death. Maybe > there is less carbon monoxide (which I doubt) but no matter how "clean" the > car is, you will still die. Maybe ten minutes longer, but the end will be > the same. > > The Hemlock Society has a new name... > > http://www.nrlc.org/news/2003/NRL08/...or_an_imag.htm > > The internet is wonderful but leads young people, who believe all of the > "urban legends" that they hear, astray. I would not want to plant an urban > legend (even in jest) and find, later, that someone tried it, and died. > > > >>L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: >> >>> Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of. >>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >>> >>>DougW wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Yea.. it's spam. >>>> >>>>But it's also a darn good time to remind folks >>>>that running a vehicle in a garage without proper >>>>ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you. >>>> >>>>The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage. >>>>Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that >>>>hasn't been raised on a 18" stand. >>>>(which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new >>>>construction in all States) >>>> >>>>But back to the garage. >>>> >>>>http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html >>>>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html >>>>http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm >>>>http://www.nsgv.com/ >>>>http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html >>>> >>>>For those of you with BIG garages. >>>>http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm >>>> >>>>The basics: >>>> >>>>1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s) >>>>2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire. >>>>3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn >>>> back into the house. >>>>4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port. >>>> >>>>The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves >>>>the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure >>>>environment that helps pull fresh air in. >>>> >>>>Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow >>>>exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent. >>>>It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO >>>>sensor in the garage. >>>>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html >>>> >>>>Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned >>>>and adjusted properly so you save money. >>>> >>>>And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;) >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Doug(I need a beer)W > > > |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
It was not a joke, but I'm in no way suggesting it's a good idea to run
an engine in a closed garage! (or paint, use strong solvents, weld...) Jeff DeWitt Billzz wrote: > "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message > news:QVx0h.23$HD6.19@tornado.southeast.rr.com... > >>BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a >>closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run >>so clean that doesn't work anymore. >> >>Jeff DeWitt > > > I hope that was a joke, although some will not read it as such. > > I read, but don't post, because, while we have two Jeeps, I am mostly here > to learn, but this caught my attention. > > It does not make any difference how "clean" a car runs. It is the > exhaustion of usable oxygen in the closed garage that causes death. Maybe > there is less carbon monoxide (which I doubt) but no matter how "clean" the > car is, you will still die. Maybe ten minutes longer, but the end will be > the same. > > The Hemlock Society has a new name... > > http://www.nrlc.org/news/2003/NRL08/...or_an_imag.htm > > The internet is wonderful but leads young people, who believe all of the > "urban legends" that they hear, astray. I would not want to plant an urban > legend (even in jest) and find, later, that someone tried it, and died. > > > >>L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: >> >>> Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of. >>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >>> >>>DougW wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Yea.. it's spam. >>>> >>>>But it's also a darn good time to remind folks >>>>that running a vehicle in a garage without proper >>>>ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you. >>>> >>>>The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage. >>>>Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that >>>>hasn't been raised on a 18" stand. >>>>(which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new >>>>construction in all States) >>>> >>>>But back to the garage. >>>> >>>>http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html >>>>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html >>>>http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm >>>>http://www.nsgv.com/ >>>>http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html >>>> >>>>For those of you with BIG garages. >>>>http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm >>>> >>>>The basics: >>>> >>>>1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s) >>>>2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire. >>>>3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn >>>> back into the house. >>>>4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port. >>>> >>>>The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves >>>>the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure >>>>environment that helps pull fresh air in. >>>> >>>>Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow >>>>exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent. >>>>It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO >>>>sensor in the garage. >>>>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html >>>> >>>>Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned >>>>and adjusted properly so you save money. >>>> >>>>And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;) >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Doug(I need a beer)W > > > |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
Unburned gas has a way of coating our cells so that we can not use
the oxygen in the air. Like the only way to save a victim would be in a pressurized chamber forcing the gases exchange. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Billzz wrote: > > I hope that was a joke, although some will not read it as such. > > I read, but don't post, because, while we have two Jeeps, I am mostly here > to learn, but this caught my attention. > > It does not make any difference how "clean" a car runs. It is the > exhaustion of usable oxygen in the closed garage that causes death. Maybe > there is less carbon monoxide (which I doubt) but no matter how "clean" the > car is, you will still die. Maybe ten minutes longer, but the end will be > the same. > > The Hemlock Society has a new name... > > http://www.nrlc.org/news/2003/NRL08/...or_an_imag.htm > > The internet is wonderful but leads young people, who believe all of the > "urban legends" that they hear, astray. I would not want to plant an urban > legend (even in jest) and find, later, that someone tried it, and died. |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
Unburned gas has a way of coating our cells so that we can not use
the oxygen in the air. Like the only way to save a victim would be in a pressurized chamber forcing the gases exchange. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Billzz wrote: > > I hope that was a joke, although some will not read it as such. > > I read, but don't post, because, while we have two Jeeps, I am mostly here > to learn, but this caught my attention. > > It does not make any difference how "clean" a car runs. It is the > exhaustion of usable oxygen in the closed garage that causes death. Maybe > there is less carbon monoxide (which I doubt) but no matter how "clean" the > car is, you will still die. Maybe ten minutes longer, but the end will be > the same. > > The Hemlock Society has a new name... > > http://www.nrlc.org/news/2003/NRL08/...or_an_imag.htm > > The internet is wonderful but leads young people, who believe all of the > "urban legends" that they hear, astray. I would not want to plant an urban > legend (even in jest) and find, later, that someone tried it, and died. |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
Unburned gas has a way of coating our cells so that we can not use
the oxygen in the air. Like the only way to save a victim would be in a pressurized chamber forcing the gases exchange. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Billzz wrote: > > I hope that was a joke, although some will not read it as such. > > I read, but don't post, because, while we have two Jeeps, I am mostly here > to learn, but this caught my attention. > > It does not make any difference how "clean" a car runs. It is the > exhaustion of usable oxygen in the closed garage that causes death. Maybe > there is less carbon monoxide (which I doubt) but no matter how "clean" the > car is, you will still die. Maybe ten minutes longer, but the end will be > the same. > > The Hemlock Society has a new name... > > http://www.nrlc.org/news/2003/NRL08/...or_an_imag.htm > > The internet is wonderful but leads young people, who believe all of the > "urban legends" that they hear, astray. I would not want to plant an urban > legend (even in jest) and find, later, that someone tried it, and died. |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
Want to bet your a$$ on that fact? I don't.
Just last year a retired local fireman was killed in his home - not in the garage but in an adjacent room - when he left his early-2000's Grand Cherokee running in the garage then went of sleep without turning it off (or because he didn't turn it off). 3 - 4 years back, a couple of AF Academy cadets in a brand new car got stuck in a blizzard coming back across Kansas. They found the dead of CO poisoning the next morning. Snow had blocked the tailpipe. In the last blizzard thru here, a couple slid off the road into a ditch and couldn't get out. Snow blew up over the side of the car and basically funneled the exhaust back into the vehicle. From cell phone calls, it was know that they were running the engine intermittently for heat but they were found dead the next morning. CO is deadly at relatively low concentrations, well below the typical exhaust measurements we see for smog tests on current model vehicles. You do no one any favors posting this without competent references - the reported events contradict your claim. On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:57:20 UTC Jeffrey DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote: > BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a > closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run > so clean that doesn't work anymore. > > Jeff DeWitt > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > > Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of. > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > DougW wrote: > > > >>Yea.. it's spam. > >> > >>But it's also a darn good time to remind folks > >>that running a vehicle in a garage without proper > >>ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you. > >> > >>The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage. > >>Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that > >>hasn't been raised on a 18" stand. > >>(which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new > >>construction in all States) > >> > >>But back to the garage. > >> > >>http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html > >>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html > >>http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm > >>http://www.nsgv.com/ > >>http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html > >> > >>For those of you with BIG garages. > >>http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm > >> > >>The basics: > >> > >>1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s) > >>2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire. > >>3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn > >> back into the house. > >>4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port. > >> > >>The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves > >>the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure > >>environment that helps pull fresh air in. > >> > >>Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow > >>exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent. > >>It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO > >>sensor in the garage. > >>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html > >> > >>Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned > >>and adjusted properly so you save money. > >> > >>And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;) > >> > >>-- > >>Doug(I need a beer)W -- Will Honea |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
Want to bet your a$$ on that fact? I don't.
Just last year a retired local fireman was killed in his home - not in the garage but in an adjacent room - when he left his early-2000's Grand Cherokee running in the garage then went of sleep without turning it off (or because he didn't turn it off). 3 - 4 years back, a couple of AF Academy cadets in a brand new car got stuck in a blizzard coming back across Kansas. They found the dead of CO poisoning the next morning. Snow had blocked the tailpipe. In the last blizzard thru here, a couple slid off the road into a ditch and couldn't get out. Snow blew up over the side of the car and basically funneled the exhaust back into the vehicle. From cell phone calls, it was know that they were running the engine intermittently for heat but they were found dead the next morning. CO is deadly at relatively low concentrations, well below the typical exhaust measurements we see for smog tests on current model vehicles. You do no one any favors posting this without competent references - the reported events contradict your claim. On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:57:20 UTC Jeffrey DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote: > BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a > closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run > so clean that doesn't work anymore. > > Jeff DeWitt > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > > Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of. > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > DougW wrote: > > > >>Yea.. it's spam. > >> > >>But it's also a darn good time to remind folks > >>that running a vehicle in a garage without proper > >>ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you. > >> > >>The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage. > >>Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that > >>hasn't been raised on a 18" stand. > >>(which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new > >>construction in all States) > >> > >>But back to the garage. > >> > >>http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html > >>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html > >>http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm > >>http://www.nsgv.com/ > >>http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html > >> > >>For those of you with BIG garages. > >>http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm > >> > >>The basics: > >> > >>1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s) > >>2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire. > >>3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn > >> back into the house. > >>4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port. > >> > >>The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves > >>the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure > >>environment that helps pull fresh air in. > >> > >>Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow > >>exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent. > >>It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO > >>sensor in the garage. > >>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html > >> > >>Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned > >>and adjusted properly so you save money. > >> > >>And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;) > >> > >>-- > >>Doug(I need a beer)W -- Will Honea |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
Want to bet your a$$ on that fact? I don't.
Just last year a retired local fireman was killed in his home - not in the garage but in an adjacent room - when he left his early-2000's Grand Cherokee running in the garage then went of sleep without turning it off (or because he didn't turn it off). 3 - 4 years back, a couple of AF Academy cadets in a brand new car got stuck in a blizzard coming back across Kansas. They found the dead of CO poisoning the next morning. Snow had blocked the tailpipe. In the last blizzard thru here, a couple slid off the road into a ditch and couldn't get out. Snow blew up over the side of the car and basically funneled the exhaust back into the vehicle. From cell phone calls, it was know that they were running the engine intermittently for heat but they were found dead the next morning. CO is deadly at relatively low concentrations, well below the typical exhaust measurements we see for smog tests on current model vehicles. You do no one any favors posting this without competent references - the reported events contradict your claim. On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:57:20 UTC Jeffrey DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote: > BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a > closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run > so clean that doesn't work anymore. > > Jeff DeWitt > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > > Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of. > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > DougW wrote: > > > >>Yea.. it's spam. > >> > >>But it's also a darn good time to remind folks > >>that running a vehicle in a garage without proper > >>ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you. > >> > >>The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage. > >>Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that > >>hasn't been raised on a 18" stand. > >>(which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new > >>construction in all States) > >> > >>But back to the garage. > >> > >>http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html > >>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html > >>http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm > >>http://www.nsgv.com/ > >>http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html > >> > >>For those of you with BIG garages. > >>http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm > >> > >>The basics: > >> > >>1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s) > >>2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire. > >>3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn > >> back into the house. > >>4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port. > >> > >>The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves > >>the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure > >>environment that helps pull fresh air in. > >> > >>Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow > >>exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent. > >>It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO > >>sensor in the garage. > >>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html > >> > >>Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned > >>and adjusted properly so you save money. > >> > >>And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;) > >> > >>-- > >>Doug(I need a beer)W -- Will Honea |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
2 kids killed in Corfu of CO poisoning - central heating flue got blocked.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6093714.stm Dave Milne, Scotland "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-evP0hxD3eVGZ@anon.none.net... > Want to bet your a$$ on that fact? I don't. > > Just last year a retired local fireman was killed in his home - not in > the garage but in an adjacent room - when he left his early-2000's > Grand Cherokee running in the garage then went of sleep without > turning it off (or because he didn't turn it off). > > 3 - 4 years back, a couple of AF Academy cadets in a brand new car got > stuck in a blizzard coming back across Kansas. They found the dead of > CO poisoning the next morning. Snow had blocked the tailpipe. > > In the last blizzard thru here, a couple slid off the road into a > ditch and couldn't get out. Snow blew up over the side of the car and > basically funneled the exhaust back into the vehicle. From cell phone > calls, it was know that they were running the engine intermittently > for heat but they were found dead the next morning. > > CO is deadly at relatively low concentrations, well below the typical > exhaust measurements we see for smog tests on current model vehicles. > You do no one any favors posting this without competent references - > the reported events contradict your claim. |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
2 kids killed in Corfu of CO poisoning - central heating flue got blocked.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6093714.stm Dave Milne, Scotland "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-evP0hxD3eVGZ@anon.none.net... > Want to bet your a$$ on that fact? I don't. > > Just last year a retired local fireman was killed in his home - not in > the garage but in an adjacent room - when he left his early-2000's > Grand Cherokee running in the garage then went of sleep without > turning it off (or because he didn't turn it off). > > 3 - 4 years back, a couple of AF Academy cadets in a brand new car got > stuck in a blizzard coming back across Kansas. They found the dead of > CO poisoning the next morning. Snow had blocked the tailpipe. > > In the last blizzard thru here, a couple slid off the road into a > ditch and couldn't get out. Snow blew up over the side of the car and > basically funneled the exhaust back into the vehicle. From cell phone > calls, it was know that they were running the engine intermittently > for heat but they were found dead the next morning. > > CO is deadly at relatively low concentrations, well below the typical > exhaust measurements we see for smog tests on current model vehicles. > You do no one any favors posting this without competent references - > the reported events contradict your claim. |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
2 kids killed in Corfu of CO poisoning - central heating flue got blocked.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6093714.stm Dave Milne, Scotland "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-evP0hxD3eVGZ@anon.none.net... > Want to bet your a$$ on that fact? I don't. > > Just last year a retired local fireman was killed in his home - not in > the garage but in an adjacent room - when he left his early-2000's > Grand Cherokee running in the garage then went of sleep without > turning it off (or because he didn't turn it off). > > 3 - 4 years back, a couple of AF Academy cadets in a brand new car got > stuck in a blizzard coming back across Kansas. They found the dead of > CO poisoning the next morning. Snow had blocked the tailpipe. > > In the last blizzard thru here, a couple slid off the road into a > ditch and couldn't get out. Snow blew up over the side of the car and > basically funneled the exhaust back into the vehicle. From cell phone > calls, it was know that they were running the engine intermittently > for heat but they were found dead the next morning. > > CO is deadly at relatively low concentrations, well below the typical > exhaust measurements we see for smog tests on current model vehicles. > You do no one any favors posting this without competent references - > the reported events contradict your claim. |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
I'm making no big claims NOR am I making any recommendations... if you
run a car in a garage you have to vent it, that's only common sense. All I was passing along was that car exhaust was no longer considered a good choice for doing yourself in. If someone decides it's safe to run their car in a garage with the door closed because of misinterpreting one post in a Usenet newsgroup they have a serious problem that has nothing to do with automobiles! Jeff DeWitt Will Honea wrote: > Want to bet your a$$ on that fact? I don't. > > Just last year a retired local fireman was killed in his home - not in > the garage but in an adjacent room - when he left his early-2000's > Grand Cherokee running in the garage then went of sleep without > turning it off (or because he didn't turn it off). > > 3 - 4 years back, a couple of AF Academy cadets in a brand new car got > stuck in a blizzard coming back across Kansas. They found the dead of > CO poisoning the next morning. Snow had blocked the tailpipe. > > In the last blizzard thru here, a couple slid off the road into a > ditch and couldn't get out. Snow blew up over the side of the car and > basically funneled the exhaust back into the vehicle. From cell phone > calls, it was know that they were running the engine intermittently > for heat but they were found dead the next morning. > > CO is deadly at relatively low concentrations, well below the typical > exhaust measurements we see for smog tests on current model vehicles. > You do no one any favors posting this without competent references - > the reported events contradict your claim. > > On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:57:20 UTC Jeffrey DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> > wrote: > > >>BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a >>closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run >>so clean that doesn't work anymore. >> >>Jeff DeWitt >> >>L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: >> >>> Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of. >>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >>> >>>DougW wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Yea.. it's spam. >>>> >>>>But it's also a darn good time to remind folks >>>>that running a vehicle in a garage without proper >>>>ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you. >>>> >>>>The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage. >>>>Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that >>>>hasn't been raised on a 18" stand. >>>>(which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new >>>>construction in all States) >>>> >>>>But back to the garage. >>>> >>>>http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html >>>>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html >>>>http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm >>>>http://www.nsgv.com/ >>>>http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html >>>> >>>>For those of you with BIG garages. >>>>http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm >>>> >>>>The basics: >>>> >>>>1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s) >>>>2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire. >>>>3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn >>>> back into the house. >>>>4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port. >>>> >>>>The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves >>>>the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure >>>>environment that helps pull fresh air in. >>>> >>>>Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow >>>>exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent. >>>>It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO >>>>sensor in the garage. >>>>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html >>>> >>>>Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned >>>>and adjusted properly so you save money. >>>> >>>>And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;) >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Doug(I need a beer)W > > > |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
I'm making no big claims NOR am I making any recommendations... if you
run a car in a garage you have to vent it, that's only common sense. All I was passing along was that car exhaust was no longer considered a good choice for doing yourself in. If someone decides it's safe to run their car in a garage with the door closed because of misinterpreting one post in a Usenet newsgroup they have a serious problem that has nothing to do with automobiles! Jeff DeWitt Will Honea wrote: > Want to bet your a$$ on that fact? I don't. > > Just last year a retired local fireman was killed in his home - not in > the garage but in an adjacent room - when he left his early-2000's > Grand Cherokee running in the garage then went of sleep without > turning it off (or because he didn't turn it off). > > 3 - 4 years back, a couple of AF Academy cadets in a brand new car got > stuck in a blizzard coming back across Kansas. They found the dead of > CO poisoning the next morning. Snow had blocked the tailpipe. > > In the last blizzard thru here, a couple slid off the road into a > ditch and couldn't get out. Snow blew up over the side of the car and > basically funneled the exhaust back into the vehicle. From cell phone > calls, it was know that they were running the engine intermittently > for heat but they were found dead the next morning. > > CO is deadly at relatively low concentrations, well below the typical > exhaust measurements we see for smog tests on current model vehicles. > You do no one any favors posting this without competent references - > the reported events contradict your claim. > > On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:57:20 UTC Jeffrey DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> > wrote: > > >>BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a >>closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run >>so clean that doesn't work anymore. >> >>Jeff DeWitt >> >>L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: >> >>> Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of. >>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >>> >>>DougW wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Yea.. it's spam. >>>> >>>>But it's also a darn good time to remind folks >>>>that running a vehicle in a garage without proper >>>>ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you. >>>> >>>>The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage. >>>>Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that >>>>hasn't been raised on a 18" stand. >>>>(which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new >>>>construction in all States) >>>> >>>>But back to the garage. >>>> >>>>http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html >>>>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html >>>>http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm >>>>http://www.nsgv.com/ >>>>http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html >>>> >>>>For those of you with BIG garages. >>>>http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm >>>> >>>>The basics: >>>> >>>>1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s) >>>>2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire. >>>>3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn >>>> back into the house. >>>>4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port. >>>> >>>>The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves >>>>the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure >>>>environment that helps pull fresh air in. >>>> >>>>Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow >>>>exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent. >>>>It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO >>>>sensor in the garage. >>>>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html >>>> >>>>Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned >>>>and adjusted properly so you save money. >>>> >>>>And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;) >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Doug(I need a beer)W > > > |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
I'm making no big claims NOR am I making any recommendations... if you
run a car in a garage you have to vent it, that's only common sense. All I was passing along was that car exhaust was no longer considered a good choice for doing yourself in. If someone decides it's safe to run their car in a garage with the door closed because of misinterpreting one post in a Usenet newsgroup they have a serious problem that has nothing to do with automobiles! Jeff DeWitt Will Honea wrote: > Want to bet your a$$ on that fact? I don't. > > Just last year a retired local fireman was killed in his home - not in > the garage but in an adjacent room - when he left his early-2000's > Grand Cherokee running in the garage then went of sleep without > turning it off (or because he didn't turn it off). > > 3 - 4 years back, a couple of AF Academy cadets in a brand new car got > stuck in a blizzard coming back across Kansas. They found the dead of > CO poisoning the next morning. Snow had blocked the tailpipe. > > In the last blizzard thru here, a couple slid off the road into a > ditch and couldn't get out. Snow blew up over the side of the car and > basically funneled the exhaust back into the vehicle. From cell phone > calls, it was know that they were running the engine intermittently > for heat but they were found dead the next morning. > > CO is deadly at relatively low concentrations, well below the typical > exhaust measurements we see for smog tests on current model vehicles. > You do no one any favors posting this without competent references - > the reported events contradict your claim. > > On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:57:20 UTC Jeffrey DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> > wrote: > > >>BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a >>closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run >>so clean that doesn't work anymore. >> >>Jeff DeWitt >> >>L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: >> >>> Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of. >>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >>> >>>DougW wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Yea.. it's spam. >>>> >>>>But it's also a darn good time to remind folks >>>>that running a vehicle in a garage without proper >>>>ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you. >>>> >>>>The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage. >>>>Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that >>>>hasn't been raised on a 18" stand. >>>>(which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new >>>>construction in all States) >>>> >>>>But back to the garage. >>>> >>>>http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html >>>>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html >>>>http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm >>>>http://www.nsgv.com/ >>>>http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html >>>> >>>>For those of you with BIG garages. >>>>http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm >>>> >>>>The basics: >>>> >>>>1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s) >>>>2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire. >>>>3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn >>>> back into the house. >>>>4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port. >>>> >>>>The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves >>>>the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure >>>>environment that helps pull fresh air in. >>>> >>>>Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow >>>>exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent. >>>>It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO >>>>sensor in the garage. >>>>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html >>>> >>>>Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned >>>>and adjusted properly so you save money. >>>> >>>>And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;) >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Doug(I need a beer)W > > > |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
Didn''t think your were recommending it, Jeff, but working with a
bunch of young kids in a youth group has made me a tad touchy about things like this. Even the old "well, if a total stranger wrote a message to you telling you to jump off a cliff, would you?" frequently draws a long pause while they think about it. I may be just imagining things as I become a surly old curmudgeon but it seems to me that as we protect kids from every minor ding the process of learning judgement from experience gets lost - or the necessary learning process becomes a whole lot more drastic and expensive. On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 19:17:50 UTC Jeffrey DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote: > I'm making no big claims NOR am I making any recommendations... if you > run a car in a garage you have to vent it, that's only common sense. > All I was passing along was that car exhaust was no longer considered a > good choice for doing yourself in. > > If someone decides it's safe to run their car in a garage with the door > closed because of misinterpreting one post in a Usenet newsgroup they > have a serious problem that has nothing to do with automobiles! > > Jeff DeWitt > > Will Honea wrote: > > Want to bet your a$$ on that fact? I don't. > > > > Just last year a retired local fireman was killed in his home - not in > > the garage but in an adjacent room - when he left his early-2000's > > Grand Cherokee running in the garage then went of sleep without > > turning it off (or because he didn't turn it off). > > > > 3 - 4 years back, a couple of AF Academy cadets in a brand new car got > > stuck in a blizzard coming back across Kansas. They found the dead of > > CO poisoning the next morning. Snow had blocked the tailpipe. > > > > In the last blizzard thru here, a couple slid off the road into a > > ditch and couldn't get out. Snow blew up over the side of the car and > > basically funneled the exhaust back into the vehicle. From cell phone > > calls, it was know that they were running the engine intermittently > > for heat but they were found dead the next morning. > > > > CO is deadly at relatively low concentrations, well below the typical > > exhaust measurements we see for smog tests on current model vehicles. > > You do no one any favors posting this without competent references - > > the reported events contradict your claim. > > > > On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:57:20 UTC Jeffrey DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> > > wrote: > > > > > >>BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a > >>closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run > >>so clean that doesn't work anymore. > >> > >>Jeff DeWitt > >> > >>L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > >> > >>> Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of. > >>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > >>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > >>> > >>>DougW wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Yea.. it's spam. > >>>> > >>>>But it's also a darn good time to remind folks > >>>>that running a vehicle in a garage without proper > >>>>ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you. > >>>> > >>>>The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage. > >>>>Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that > >>>>hasn't been raised on a 18" stand. > >>>>(which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new > >>>>construction in all States) > >>>> > >>>>But back to the garage. > >>>> > >>>>http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html > >>>>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html > >>>>http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm > >>>>http://www.nsgv.com/ > >>>>http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html > >>>> > >>>>For those of you with BIG garages. > >>>>http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm > >>>> > >>>>The basics: > >>>> > >>>>1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s) > >>>>2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire. > >>>>3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn > >>>> back into the house. > >>>>4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port. > >>>> > >>>>The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves > >>>>the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure > >>>>environment that helps pull fresh air in. > >>>> > >>>>Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow > >>>>exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent. > >>>>It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO > >>>>sensor in the garage. > >>>>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html > >>>> > >>>>Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned > >>>>and adjusted properly so you save money. > >>>> > >>>>And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;) > >>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>Doug(I need a beer)W > > > > > > -- Will Honea |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
Didn''t think your were recommending it, Jeff, but working with a
bunch of young kids in a youth group has made me a tad touchy about things like this. Even the old "well, if a total stranger wrote a message to you telling you to jump off a cliff, would you?" frequently draws a long pause while they think about it. I may be just imagining things as I become a surly old curmudgeon but it seems to me that as we protect kids from every minor ding the process of learning judgement from experience gets lost - or the necessary learning process becomes a whole lot more drastic and expensive. On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 19:17:50 UTC Jeffrey DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote: > I'm making no big claims NOR am I making any recommendations... if you > run a car in a garage you have to vent it, that's only common sense. > All I was passing along was that car exhaust was no longer considered a > good choice for doing yourself in. > > If someone decides it's safe to run their car in a garage with the door > closed because of misinterpreting one post in a Usenet newsgroup they > have a serious problem that has nothing to do with automobiles! > > Jeff DeWitt > > Will Honea wrote: > > Want to bet your a$$ on that fact? I don't. > > > > Just last year a retired local fireman was killed in his home - not in > > the garage but in an adjacent room - when he left his early-2000's > > Grand Cherokee running in the garage then went of sleep without > > turning it off (or because he didn't turn it off). > > > > 3 - 4 years back, a couple of AF Academy cadets in a brand new car got > > stuck in a blizzard coming back across Kansas. They found the dead of > > CO poisoning the next morning. Snow had blocked the tailpipe. > > > > In the last blizzard thru here, a couple slid off the road into a > > ditch and couldn't get out. Snow blew up over the side of the car and > > basically funneled the exhaust back into the vehicle. From cell phone > > calls, it was know that they were running the engine intermittently > > for heat but they were found dead the next morning. > > > > CO is deadly at relatively low concentrations, well below the typical > > exhaust measurements we see for smog tests on current model vehicles. > > You do no one any favors posting this without competent references - > > the reported events contradict your claim. > > > > On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:57:20 UTC Jeffrey DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> > > wrote: > > > > > >>BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a > >>closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run > >>so clean that doesn't work anymore. > >> > >>Jeff DeWitt > >> > >>L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > >> > >>> Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of. > >>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > >>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > >>> > >>>DougW wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Yea.. it's spam. > >>>> > >>>>But it's also a darn good time to remind folks > >>>>that running a vehicle in a garage without proper > >>>>ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you. > >>>> > >>>>The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage. > >>>>Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that > >>>>hasn't been raised on a 18" stand. > >>>>(which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new > >>>>construction in all States) > >>>> > >>>>But back to the garage. > >>>> > >>>>http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html > >>>>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html > >>>>http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm > >>>>http://www.nsgv.com/ > >>>>http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html > >>>> > >>>>For those of you with BIG garages. > >>>>http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm > >>>> > >>>>The basics: > >>>> > >>>>1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s) > >>>>2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire. > >>>>3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn > >>>> back into the house. > >>>>4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port. > >>>> > >>>>The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves > >>>>the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure > >>>>environment that helps pull fresh air in. > >>>> > >>>>Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow > >>>>exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent. > >>>>It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO > >>>>sensor in the garage. > >>>>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html > >>>> > >>>>Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned > >>>>and adjusted properly so you save money. > >>>> > >>>>And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;) > >>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>Doug(I need a beer)W > > > > > > -- Will Honea |
Re: Exhaust Hose Exxxtravagannnnnzzaaaa...........
Didn''t think your were recommending it, Jeff, but working with a
bunch of young kids in a youth group has made me a tad touchy about things like this. Even the old "well, if a total stranger wrote a message to you telling you to jump off a cliff, would you?" frequently draws a long pause while they think about it. I may be just imagining things as I become a surly old curmudgeon but it seems to me that as we protect kids from every minor ding the process of learning judgement from experience gets lost - or the necessary learning process becomes a whole lot more drastic and expensive. On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 19:17:50 UTC Jeffrey DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote: > I'm making no big claims NOR am I making any recommendations... if you > run a car in a garage you have to vent it, that's only common sense. > All I was passing along was that car exhaust was no longer considered a > good choice for doing yourself in. > > If someone decides it's safe to run their car in a garage with the door > closed because of misinterpreting one post in a Usenet newsgroup they > have a serious problem that has nothing to do with automobiles! > > Jeff DeWitt > > Will Honea wrote: > > Want to bet your a$$ on that fact? I don't. > > > > Just last year a retired local fireman was killed in his home - not in > > the garage but in an adjacent room - when he left his early-2000's > > Grand Cherokee running in the garage then went of sleep without > > turning it off (or because he didn't turn it off). > > > > 3 - 4 years back, a couple of AF Academy cadets in a brand new car got > > stuck in a blizzard coming back across Kansas. They found the dead of > > CO poisoning the next morning. Snow had blocked the tailpipe. > > > > In the last blizzard thru here, a couple slid off the road into a > > ditch and couldn't get out. Snow blew up over the side of the car and > > basically funneled the exhaust back into the vehicle. From cell phone > > calls, it was know that they were running the engine intermittently > > for heat but they were found dead the next morning. > > > > CO is deadly at relatively low concentrations, well below the typical > > exhaust measurements we see for smog tests on current model vehicles. > > You do no one any favors posting this without competent references - > > the reported events contradict your claim. > > > > On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:57:20 UTC Jeffrey DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> > > wrote: > > > > > >>BUT, the Hemlock society no longer recommends the old running car in a > >>closed garage as an exit strategy, they say that because modern cars run > >>so clean that doesn't work anymore. > >> > >>Jeff DeWitt > >> > >>L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > >> > >>> Like a gas cloths dyer. I have been guilty of. > >>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > >>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > >>> > >>>DougW wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Yea.. it's spam. > >>>> > >>>>But it's also a darn good time to remind folks > >>>>that running a vehicle in a garage without proper > >>>>ventalation is STUPID and can KILL you. > >>>> > >>>>The same goes with fuels and solvents in a garage. > >>>>Especially if you have a gas hot water heater that > >>>>hasn't been raised on a 18" stand. > >>>>(which for the U.S. is code in remodels and new > >>>>construction in all States) > >>>> > >>>>But back to the garage. > >>>> > >>>>http://www.goodyearbeltsandhose.com/...aragehose.html > >>>>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TTW120.html > >>>>http://oemproamtools.com/garage_exhaust_hose.htm > >>>>http://www.nsgv.com/ > >>>>http://airhosereels.com/exhosac.html > >>>> > >>>>For those of you with BIG garages. > >>>>http://www.texaselec.com/VehicleExha...ustSystems.htm > >>>> > >>>>The basics: > >>>> > >>>>1) a gas-tight connection to the vehicles exhaust pipe(s) > >>>>2) a heat resistant hose that will not melt or catch fire. > >>>>3) an exterior dump that does not allow fumes to be drawn > >>>> back into the house. > >>>>4) a fresh air source away from the exterior dump port. > >>>> > >>>>The best systems use a pump to pull the fumes away. This solves > >>>>the issue with leaky hoses and also creates a negative pressure > >>>>environment that helps pull fresh air in. > >>>> > >>>>Remember that some mufflers have a weep hole that will allow > >>>>exhaust fumes out, and all vehicles leak exhaust to some extent. > >>>>It's always better to work with full ventilation and have a CO > >>>>sensor in the garage. > >>>>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5010.html > >>>> > >>>>Also... Check your furnaces and fireplaces. Get them cleaned > >>>>and adjusted properly so you save money. > >>>> > >>>>And don't forget to wash behind your ears. ;) > >>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>Doug(I need a beer)W > > > > > > -- Will Honea |
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