An excellent Jeep
05-24-2006, 10:55 PM
#41
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Re: An excellent Jeep
"Engines burning...ammonia"? Huh?
Earle
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > > >> Cab? What cab?
> > > >
> > > > The part behind the windshield with the two seats in it where the
> > > > air flow comes in in a vortex from the rear and hits you in the
> > > > back of the head part. You know, where the rain soaks the back of
> > > > your head and the windshield need an inside wiper.
> > > >
> > > > Or maybe you don't know....
> > > >
> > > > I mean I guess if he always leaves the top and doors off and
> > > > doesn't mind stinging eyes And the wind is blowing the right way,
> > > > he might live through a trip in it..... CO is bad ----....
>
> Apparently he has driven it extensively and it hasn't been a problem
> for him or he would fix it. It's not as though it would be a terribly
> difficult or expensive thing to run a exhaust pipe to the back.
>
> To answer your later question, a diesel generates carbon monoxide only
> under a very narrow band of conditions. Since the intake is
> unthrottled, diesels always have excess air (if they don't they are
> really, really smoking). If CO were the only problem diesels could be
> operated safely inside enclosed areas-and indeed, in mines, they are,
> albeit mine certified versions with mine diesel fuel and catalytic
> converters. Gasoline engines on the other hand generate CO at all power
> settings but especially at idle. Even LPG and CNG engines generate CO
> unless they are carefully set up not to do so. Only engines burning
> non-carbon fuels like hydrogen or ammonia are intrinsically non-carbon
> monoxide generators.
>
> If this exhaust were a killer it would be hundreds or thousands of
> times more dangerous with a gas engine.
>
> To sum up, I don't care for this arrangement but apparently it's not a
> problem because it would be easily fixed if it were.
>
> > >
> > > Top? Doors? What top? What doors? OBTW, it's a diesel.
> >
> > I guess you don't know then..... Too bad it's trip to drive topless and
> > doorless.
> >
> > If you take the top and doors off a Jeep and drive in the rain, the air
> > comes in from the rear in a vortex and soaks the back of your head and
> > covers the inside of the windshield with water.
> >
>
> That's why the windscreen folds down.
>
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Earle
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > > >> Cab? What cab?
> > > >
> > > > The part behind the windshield with the two seats in it where the
> > > > air flow comes in in a vortex from the rear and hits you in the
> > > > back of the head part. You know, where the rain soaks the back of
> > > > your head and the windshield need an inside wiper.
> > > >
> > > > Or maybe you don't know....
> > > >
> > > > I mean I guess if he always leaves the top and doors off and
> > > > doesn't mind stinging eyes And the wind is blowing the right way,
> > > > he might live through a trip in it..... CO is bad ----....
>
> Apparently he has driven it extensively and it hasn't been a problem
> for him or he would fix it. It's not as though it would be a terribly
> difficult or expensive thing to run a exhaust pipe to the back.
>
> To answer your later question, a diesel generates carbon monoxide only
> under a very narrow band of conditions. Since the intake is
> unthrottled, diesels always have excess air (if they don't they are
> really, really smoking). If CO were the only problem diesels could be
> operated safely inside enclosed areas-and indeed, in mines, they are,
> albeit mine certified versions with mine diesel fuel and catalytic
> converters. Gasoline engines on the other hand generate CO at all power
> settings but especially at idle. Even LPG and CNG engines generate CO
> unless they are carefully set up not to do so. Only engines burning
> non-carbon fuels like hydrogen or ammonia are intrinsically non-carbon
> monoxide generators.
>
> If this exhaust were a killer it would be hundreds or thousands of
> times more dangerous with a gas engine.
>
> To sum up, I don't care for this arrangement but apparently it's not a
> problem because it would be easily fixed if it were.
>
> > >
> > > Top? Doors? What top? What doors? OBTW, it's a diesel.
> >
> > I guess you don't know then..... Too bad it's trip to drive topless and
> > doorless.
> >
> > If you take the top and doors off a Jeep and drive in the rain, the air
> > comes in from the rear in a vortex and soaks the back of your head and
> > covers the inside of the windshield with water.
> >
>
> That's why the windscreen folds down.
>
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05-24-2006, 10:55 PM
#42
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Re: An excellent Jeep
"Engines burning...ammonia"? Huh?
Earle
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1148523689.795263.175930@y43g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > > >> Cab? What cab?
> > > >
> > > > The part behind the windshield with the two seats in it where the
> > > > air flow comes in in a vortex from the rear and hits you in the
> > > > back of the head part. You know, where the rain soaks the back of
> > > > your head and the windshield need an inside wiper.
> > > >
> > > > Or maybe you don't know....
> > > >
> > > > I mean I guess if he always leaves the top and doors off and
> > > > doesn't mind stinging eyes And the wind is blowing the right way,
> > > > he might live through a trip in it..... CO is bad ----....
>
> Apparently he has driven it extensively and it hasn't been a problem
> for him or he would fix it. It's not as though it would be a terribly
> difficult or expensive thing to run a exhaust pipe to the back.
>
> To answer your later question, a diesel generates carbon monoxide only
> under a very narrow band of conditions. Since the intake is
> unthrottled, diesels always have excess air (if they don't they are
> really, really smoking). If CO were the only problem diesels could be
> operated safely inside enclosed areas-and indeed, in mines, they are,
> albeit mine certified versions with mine diesel fuel and catalytic
> converters. Gasoline engines on the other hand generate CO at all power
> settings but especially at idle. Even LPG and CNG engines generate CO
> unless they are carefully set up not to do so. Only engines burning
> non-carbon fuels like hydrogen or ammonia are intrinsically non-carbon
> monoxide generators.
>
> If this exhaust were a killer it would be hundreds or thousands of
> times more dangerous with a gas engine.
>
> To sum up, I don't care for this arrangement but apparently it's not a
> problem because it would be easily fixed if it were.
>
> > >
> > > Top? Doors? What top? What doors? OBTW, it's a diesel.
> >
> > I guess you don't know then..... Too bad it's trip to drive topless and
> > doorless.
> >
> > If you take the top and doors off a Jeep and drive in the rain, the air
> > comes in from the rear in a vortex and soaks the back of your head and
> > covers the inside of the windshield with water.
> >
>
> That's why the windscreen folds down.
>
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Earle
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > > >> Cab? What cab?
> > > >
> > > > The part behind the windshield with the two seats in it where the
> > > > air flow comes in in a vortex from the rear and hits you in the
> > > > back of the head part. You know, where the rain soaks the back of
> > > > your head and the windshield need an inside wiper.
> > > >
> > > > Or maybe you don't know....
> > > >
> > > > I mean I guess if he always leaves the top and doors off and
> > > > doesn't mind stinging eyes And the wind is blowing the right way,
> > > > he might live through a trip in it..... CO is bad ----....
>
> Apparently he has driven it extensively and it hasn't been a problem
> for him or he would fix it. It's not as though it would be a terribly
> difficult or expensive thing to run a exhaust pipe to the back.
>
> To answer your later question, a diesel generates carbon monoxide only
> under a very narrow band of conditions. Since the intake is
> unthrottled, diesels always have excess air (if they don't they are
> really, really smoking). If CO were the only problem diesels could be
> operated safely inside enclosed areas-and indeed, in mines, they are,
> albeit mine certified versions with mine diesel fuel and catalytic
> converters. Gasoline engines on the other hand generate CO at all power
> settings but especially at idle. Even LPG and CNG engines generate CO
> unless they are carefully set up not to do so. Only engines burning
> non-carbon fuels like hydrogen or ammonia are intrinsically non-carbon
> monoxide generators.
>
> If this exhaust were a killer it would be hundreds or thousands of
> times more dangerous with a gas engine.
>
> To sum up, I don't care for this arrangement but apparently it's not a
> problem because it would be easily fixed if it were.
>
> > >
> > > Top? Doors? What top? What doors? OBTW, it's a diesel.
> >
> > I guess you don't know then..... Too bad it's trip to drive topless and
> > doorless.
> >
> > If you take the top and doors off a Jeep and drive in the rain, the air
> > comes in from the rear in a vortex and soaks the back of your head and
> > covers the inside of the windshield with water.
> >
>
> That's why the windscreen folds down.
>
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05-24-2006, 10:55 PM
#43
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Re: An excellent Jeep
"Engines burning...ammonia"? Huh?
Earle
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1148523689.795263.175930@y43g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > > >> Cab? What cab?
> > > >
> > > > The part behind the windshield with the two seats in it where the
> > > > air flow comes in in a vortex from the rear and hits you in the
> > > > back of the head part. You know, where the rain soaks the back of
> > > > your head and the windshield need an inside wiper.
> > > >
> > > > Or maybe you don't know....
> > > >
> > > > I mean I guess if he always leaves the top and doors off and
> > > > doesn't mind stinging eyes And the wind is blowing the right way,
> > > > he might live through a trip in it..... CO is bad ----....
>
> Apparently he has driven it extensively and it hasn't been a problem
> for him or he would fix it. It's not as though it would be a terribly
> difficult or expensive thing to run a exhaust pipe to the back.
>
> To answer your later question, a diesel generates carbon monoxide only
> under a very narrow band of conditions. Since the intake is
> unthrottled, diesels always have excess air (if they don't they are
> really, really smoking). If CO were the only problem diesels could be
> operated safely inside enclosed areas-and indeed, in mines, they are,
> albeit mine certified versions with mine diesel fuel and catalytic
> converters. Gasoline engines on the other hand generate CO at all power
> settings but especially at idle. Even LPG and CNG engines generate CO
> unless they are carefully set up not to do so. Only engines burning
> non-carbon fuels like hydrogen or ammonia are intrinsically non-carbon
> monoxide generators.
>
> If this exhaust were a killer it would be hundreds or thousands of
> times more dangerous with a gas engine.
>
> To sum up, I don't care for this arrangement but apparently it's not a
> problem because it would be easily fixed if it were.
>
> > >
> > > Top? Doors? What top? What doors? OBTW, it's a diesel.
> >
> > I guess you don't know then..... Too bad it's trip to drive topless and
> > doorless.
> >
> > If you take the top and doors off a Jeep and drive in the rain, the air
> > comes in from the rear in a vortex and soaks the back of your head and
> > covers the inside of the windshield with water.
> >
>
> That's why the windscreen folds down.
>
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Earle
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1148523689.795263.175930@y43g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > > >> Cab? What cab?
> > > >
> > > > The part behind the windshield with the two seats in it where the
> > > > air flow comes in in a vortex from the rear and hits you in the
> > > > back of the head part. You know, where the rain soaks the back of
> > > > your head and the windshield need an inside wiper.
> > > >
> > > > Or maybe you don't know....
> > > >
> > > > I mean I guess if he always leaves the top and doors off and
> > > > doesn't mind stinging eyes And the wind is blowing the right way,
> > > > he might live through a trip in it..... CO is bad ----....
>
> Apparently he has driven it extensively and it hasn't been a problem
> for him or he would fix it. It's not as though it would be a terribly
> difficult or expensive thing to run a exhaust pipe to the back.
>
> To answer your later question, a diesel generates carbon monoxide only
> under a very narrow band of conditions. Since the intake is
> unthrottled, diesels always have excess air (if they don't they are
> really, really smoking). If CO were the only problem diesels could be
> operated safely inside enclosed areas-and indeed, in mines, they are,
> albeit mine certified versions with mine diesel fuel and catalytic
> converters. Gasoline engines on the other hand generate CO at all power
> settings but especially at idle. Even LPG and CNG engines generate CO
> unless they are carefully set up not to do so. Only engines burning
> non-carbon fuels like hydrogen or ammonia are intrinsically non-carbon
> monoxide generators.
>
> If this exhaust were a killer it would be hundreds or thousands of
> times more dangerous with a gas engine.
>
> To sum up, I don't care for this arrangement but apparently it's not a
> problem because it would be easily fixed if it were.
>
> > >
> > > Top? Doors? What top? What doors? OBTW, it's a diesel.
> >
> > I guess you don't know then..... Too bad it's trip to drive topless and
> > doorless.
> >
> > If you take the top and doors off a Jeep and drive in the rain, the air
> > comes in from the rear in a vortex and soaks the back of your head and
> > covers the inside of the windshield with water.
> >
>
> That's why the windscreen folds down.
>
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05-25-2006, 09:38 AM
#44
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Re: An excellent Jeep
Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > > >> Cab? What cab?
> > > >
> > > > The part behind the windshield with the two seats in it where the
> > > > air flow comes in in a vortex from the rear and hits you in the
> > > > back of the head part. You know, where the rain soaks the back of
> > > > your head and the windshield need an inside wiper.
> > > >
> > > > Or maybe you don't know....
> > > >
> > > > I mean I guess if he always leaves the top and doors off and
> > > > doesn't mind stinging eyes And the wind is blowing the right way,
> > > > he might live through a trip in it..... CO is bad ----....
>
> Apparently he has driven it extensively and it hasn't been a problem
> for him or he would fix it. It's not as though it would be a terribly
> difficult or expensive thing to run a exhaust pipe to the back.
>
> To answer your later question, a diesel generates carbon monoxide only
> under a very narrow band of conditions. Since the intake is
> unthrottled, diesels always have excess air (if they don't they are
> really, really smoking). If CO were the only problem diesels could be
> operated safely inside enclosed areas-and indeed, in mines, they are,
> albeit mine certified versions with mine diesel fuel and catalytic
> converters. Gasoline engines on the other hand generate CO at all power
> settings but especially at idle. Even LPG and CNG engines generate CO
> unless they are carefully set up not to do so. Only engines burning
> non-carbon fuels like hydrogen or ammonia are intrinsically non-carbon
> monoxide generators.
>
> If this exhaust were a killer it would be hundreds or thousands of
> times more dangerous with a gas engine.
>
> To sum up, I don't care for this arrangement but apparently it's not a
> problem because it would be easily fixed if it were.
>
> > >
> > > Top? Doors? What top? What doors? OBTW, it's a diesel.
> >
> > I guess you don't know then..... Too bad it's trip to drive topless and
> > doorless.
> >
> > If you take the top and doors off a Jeep and drive in the rain, the air
> > comes in from the rear in a vortex and soaks the back of your head and
> > covers the inside of the windshield with water.
> >
>
> That's why the windscreen folds down.
LOL! Too true!
I just am really paranoid about exhaust and find folks aren't aware of
how sneaky it is.
I posted a warning a couple years back about getting gassed out in a TJ
if you drive with just the soft top windows out and leave the doors on.
A friend kept falling asleep at the wheel and we went on a camping trip
in his Jeep. His girlfriend warned me about him falling asleep. Well
sure enough we were less than an hour into the drive and he is nodding
off. I took over driving and started to too, then realized we were
getting gassed by the forehead headache and difficulty keeping my eyes
open. I got the door windows open and cranked the fan to full and was
ok after I woke up buddy.
Well.... He still didn't freaking believe me!!!!!! He continued to
drive like that until he rolled his TJ on a sunny day on a straight
piece of road.... He still 'doesn't know what happened'....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
05-25-2006, 09:38 AM
#45
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Re: An excellent Jeep
Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > > >> Cab? What cab?
> > > >
> > > > The part behind the windshield with the two seats in it where the
> > > > air flow comes in in a vortex from the rear and hits you in the
> > > > back of the head part. You know, where the rain soaks the back of
> > > > your head and the windshield need an inside wiper.
> > > >
> > > > Or maybe you don't know....
> > > >
> > > > I mean I guess if he always leaves the top and doors off and
> > > > doesn't mind stinging eyes And the wind is blowing the right way,
> > > > he might live through a trip in it..... CO is bad ----....
>
> Apparently he has driven it extensively and it hasn't been a problem
> for him or he would fix it. It's not as though it would be a terribly
> difficult or expensive thing to run a exhaust pipe to the back.
>
> To answer your later question, a diesel generates carbon monoxide only
> under a very narrow band of conditions. Since the intake is
> unthrottled, diesels always have excess air (if they don't they are
> really, really smoking). If CO were the only problem diesels could be
> operated safely inside enclosed areas-and indeed, in mines, they are,
> albeit mine certified versions with mine diesel fuel and catalytic
> converters. Gasoline engines on the other hand generate CO at all power
> settings but especially at idle. Even LPG and CNG engines generate CO
> unless they are carefully set up not to do so. Only engines burning
> non-carbon fuels like hydrogen or ammonia are intrinsically non-carbon
> monoxide generators.
>
> If this exhaust were a killer it would be hundreds or thousands of
> times more dangerous with a gas engine.
>
> To sum up, I don't care for this arrangement but apparently it's not a
> problem because it would be easily fixed if it were.
>
> > >
> > > Top? Doors? What top? What doors? OBTW, it's a diesel.
> >
> > I guess you don't know then..... Too bad it's trip to drive topless and
> > doorless.
> >
> > If you take the top and doors off a Jeep and drive in the rain, the air
> > comes in from the rear in a vortex and soaks the back of your head and
> > covers the inside of the windshield with water.
> >
>
> That's why the windscreen folds down.
LOL! Too true!
I just am really paranoid about exhaust and find folks aren't aware of
how sneaky it is.
I posted a warning a couple years back about getting gassed out in a TJ
if you drive with just the soft top windows out and leave the doors on.
A friend kept falling asleep at the wheel and we went on a camping trip
in his Jeep. His girlfriend warned me about him falling asleep. Well
sure enough we were less than an hour into the drive and he is nodding
off. I took over driving and started to too, then realized we were
getting gassed by the forehead headache and difficulty keeping my eyes
open. I got the door windows open and cranked the fan to full and was
ok after I woke up buddy.
Well.... He still didn't freaking believe me!!!!!! He continued to
drive like that until he rolled his TJ on a sunny day on a straight
piece of road.... He still 'doesn't know what happened'....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
05-25-2006, 09:38 AM
#46
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: An excellent Jeep
Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > > >> Cab? What cab?
> > > >
> > > > The part behind the windshield with the two seats in it where the
> > > > air flow comes in in a vortex from the rear and hits you in the
> > > > back of the head part. You know, where the rain soaks the back of
> > > > your head and the windshield need an inside wiper.
> > > >
> > > > Or maybe you don't know....
> > > >
> > > > I mean I guess if he always leaves the top and doors off and
> > > > doesn't mind stinging eyes And the wind is blowing the right way,
> > > > he might live through a trip in it..... CO is bad ----....
>
> Apparently he has driven it extensively and it hasn't been a problem
> for him or he would fix it. It's not as though it would be a terribly
> difficult or expensive thing to run a exhaust pipe to the back.
>
> To answer your later question, a diesel generates carbon monoxide only
> under a very narrow band of conditions. Since the intake is
> unthrottled, diesels always have excess air (if they don't they are
> really, really smoking). If CO were the only problem diesels could be
> operated safely inside enclosed areas-and indeed, in mines, they are,
> albeit mine certified versions with mine diesel fuel and catalytic
> converters. Gasoline engines on the other hand generate CO at all power
> settings but especially at idle. Even LPG and CNG engines generate CO
> unless they are carefully set up not to do so. Only engines burning
> non-carbon fuels like hydrogen or ammonia are intrinsically non-carbon
> monoxide generators.
>
> If this exhaust were a killer it would be hundreds or thousands of
> times more dangerous with a gas engine.
>
> To sum up, I don't care for this arrangement but apparently it's not a
> problem because it would be easily fixed if it were.
>
> > >
> > > Top? Doors? What top? What doors? OBTW, it's a diesel.
> >
> > I guess you don't know then..... Too bad it's trip to drive topless and
> > doorless.
> >
> > If you take the top and doors off a Jeep and drive in the rain, the air
> > comes in from the rear in a vortex and soaks the back of your head and
> > covers the inside of the windshield with water.
> >
>
> That's why the windscreen folds down.
LOL! Too true!
I just am really paranoid about exhaust and find folks aren't aware of
how sneaky it is.
I posted a warning a couple years back about getting gassed out in a TJ
if you drive with just the soft top windows out and leave the doors on.
A friend kept falling asleep at the wheel and we went on a camping trip
in his Jeep. His girlfriend warned me about him falling asleep. Well
sure enough we were less than an hour into the drive and he is nodding
off. I took over driving and started to too, then realized we were
getting gassed by the forehead headache and difficulty keeping my eyes
open. I got the door windows open and cranked the fan to full and was
ok after I woke up buddy.
Well.... He still didn't freaking believe me!!!!!! He continued to
drive like that until he rolled his TJ on a sunny day on a straight
piece of road.... He still 'doesn't know what happened'....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
05-25-2006, 10:03 AM
#47
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Re: An excellent Jeep
I have to laugh at all the people
with the rear window "only" removed.
from the Jeep soft top. The owners manual
does say not to do that. Does it?
Very dangerous indeed!
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>>Cab? What cab?
>>>>>
>>>>>The part behind the windshield with the two seats in it where the
>>>>>air flow comes in in a vortex from the rear and hits you in the
>>>>>back of the head part. You know, where the rain soaks the back of
>>>>>your head and the windshield need an inside wiper.
>>>>>
>>>>>Or maybe you don't know....
>>>>>
>>>>>I mean I guess if he always leaves the top and doors off and
>>>>>doesn't mind stinging eyes And the wind is blowing the right way,
>>>>>he might live through a trip in it..... CO is bad ----....
>>
>> Apparently he has driven it extensively and it hasn't been a problem
>>for him or he would fix it. It's not as though it would be a terribly
>>difficult or expensive thing to run a exhaust pipe to the back.
>>
>> To answer your later question, a diesel generates carbon monoxide only
>>under a very narrow band of conditions. Since the intake is
>>unthrottled, diesels always have excess air (if they don't they are
>>really, really smoking). If CO were the only problem diesels could be
>>operated safely inside enclosed areas-and indeed, in mines, they are,
>>albeit mine certified versions with mine diesel fuel and catalytic
>>converters. Gasoline engines on the other hand generate CO at all power
>>settings but especially at idle. Even LPG and CNG engines generate CO
>>unless they are carefully set up not to do so. Only engines burning
>>non-carbon fuels like hydrogen or ammonia are intrinsically non-carbon
>>monoxide generators.
>>
>> If this exhaust were a killer it would be hundreds or thousands of
>>times more dangerous with a gas engine.
>>
>> To sum up, I don't care for this arrangement but apparently it's not a
>>problem because it would be easily fixed if it were.
>>
>>
>>>>Top? Doors? What top? What doors? OBTW, it's a diesel.
>>>
>>>I guess you don't know then..... Too bad it's trip to drive topless and
>>>doorless.
>>>
>>>If you take the top and doors off a Jeep and drive in the rain, the air
>>>comes in from the rear in a vortex and soaks the back of your head and
>>>covers the inside of the windshield with water.
>>>
>>
>> That's why the windscreen folds down.
>
>
> LOL! Too true!
>
> I just am really paranoid about exhaust and find folks aren't aware of
> how sneaky it is.
>
> I posted a warning a couple years back about getting gassed out in a TJ
> if you drive with just the soft top windows out and leave the doors on.
> A friend kept falling asleep at the wheel and we went on a camping trip
> in his Jeep. His girlfriend warned me about him falling asleep. Well
> sure enough we were less than an hour into the drive and he is nodding
> off. I took over driving and started to too, then realized we were
> getting gassed by the forehead headache and difficulty keeping my eyes
> open. I got the door windows open and cranked the fan to full and was
> ok after I woke up buddy.
>
> Well.... He still didn't freaking believe me!!!!!! He continued to
> drive like that until he rolled his TJ on a sunny day on a straight
> piece of road.... He still 'doesn't know what happened'....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
with the rear window "only" removed.
from the Jeep soft top. The owners manual
does say not to do that. Does it?
Very dangerous indeed!
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>>Cab? What cab?
>>>>>
>>>>>The part behind the windshield with the two seats in it where the
>>>>>air flow comes in in a vortex from the rear and hits you in the
>>>>>back of the head part. You know, where the rain soaks the back of
>>>>>your head and the windshield need an inside wiper.
>>>>>
>>>>>Or maybe you don't know....
>>>>>
>>>>>I mean I guess if he always leaves the top and doors off and
>>>>>doesn't mind stinging eyes And the wind is blowing the right way,
>>>>>he might live through a trip in it..... CO is bad ----....
>>
>> Apparently he has driven it extensively and it hasn't been a problem
>>for him or he would fix it. It's not as though it would be a terribly
>>difficult or expensive thing to run a exhaust pipe to the back.
>>
>> To answer your later question, a diesel generates carbon monoxide only
>>under a very narrow band of conditions. Since the intake is
>>unthrottled, diesels always have excess air (if they don't they are
>>really, really smoking). If CO were the only problem diesels could be
>>operated safely inside enclosed areas-and indeed, in mines, they are,
>>albeit mine certified versions with mine diesel fuel and catalytic
>>converters. Gasoline engines on the other hand generate CO at all power
>>settings but especially at idle. Even LPG and CNG engines generate CO
>>unless they are carefully set up not to do so. Only engines burning
>>non-carbon fuels like hydrogen or ammonia are intrinsically non-carbon
>>monoxide generators.
>>
>> If this exhaust were a killer it would be hundreds or thousands of
>>times more dangerous with a gas engine.
>>
>> To sum up, I don't care for this arrangement but apparently it's not a
>>problem because it would be easily fixed if it were.
>>
>>
>>>>Top? Doors? What top? What doors? OBTW, it's a diesel.
>>>
>>>I guess you don't know then..... Too bad it's trip to drive topless and
>>>doorless.
>>>
>>>If you take the top and doors off a Jeep and drive in the rain, the air
>>>comes in from the rear in a vortex and soaks the back of your head and
>>>covers the inside of the windshield with water.
>>>
>>
>> That's why the windscreen folds down.
>
>
> LOL! Too true!
>
> I just am really paranoid about exhaust and find folks aren't aware of
> how sneaky it is.
>
> I posted a warning a couple years back about getting gassed out in a TJ
> if you drive with just the soft top windows out and leave the doors on.
> A friend kept falling asleep at the wheel and we went on a camping trip
> in his Jeep. His girlfriend warned me about him falling asleep. Well
> sure enough we were less than an hour into the drive and he is nodding
> off. I took over driving and started to too, then realized we were
> getting gassed by the forehead headache and difficulty keeping my eyes
> open. I got the door windows open and cranked the fan to full and was
> ok after I woke up buddy.
>
> Well.... He still didn't freaking believe me!!!!!! He continued to
> drive like that until he rolled his TJ on a sunny day on a straight
> piece of road.... He still 'doesn't know what happened'....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
05-25-2006, 10:03 AM
#48
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: An excellent Jeep
I have to laugh at all the people
with the rear window "only" removed.
from the Jeep soft top. The owners manual
does say not to do that. Does it?
Very dangerous indeed!
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>>Cab? What cab?
>>>>>
>>>>>The part behind the windshield with the two seats in it where the
>>>>>air flow comes in in a vortex from the rear and hits you in the
>>>>>back of the head part. You know, where the rain soaks the back of
>>>>>your head and the windshield need an inside wiper.
>>>>>
>>>>>Or maybe you don't know....
>>>>>
>>>>>I mean I guess if he always leaves the top and doors off and
>>>>>doesn't mind stinging eyes And the wind is blowing the right way,
>>>>>he might live through a trip in it..... CO is bad ----....
>>
>> Apparently he has driven it extensively and it hasn't been a problem
>>for him or he would fix it. It's not as though it would be a terribly
>>difficult or expensive thing to run a exhaust pipe to the back.
>>
>> To answer your later question, a diesel generates carbon monoxide only
>>under a very narrow band of conditions. Since the intake is
>>unthrottled, diesels always have excess air (if they don't they are
>>really, really smoking). If CO were the only problem diesels could be
>>operated safely inside enclosed areas-and indeed, in mines, they are,
>>albeit mine certified versions with mine diesel fuel and catalytic
>>converters. Gasoline engines on the other hand generate CO at all power
>>settings but especially at idle. Even LPG and CNG engines generate CO
>>unless they are carefully set up not to do so. Only engines burning
>>non-carbon fuels like hydrogen or ammonia are intrinsically non-carbon
>>monoxide generators.
>>
>> If this exhaust were a killer it would be hundreds or thousands of
>>times more dangerous with a gas engine.
>>
>> To sum up, I don't care for this arrangement but apparently it's not a
>>problem because it would be easily fixed if it were.
>>
>>
>>>>Top? Doors? What top? What doors? OBTW, it's a diesel.
>>>
>>>I guess you don't know then..... Too bad it's trip to drive topless and
>>>doorless.
>>>
>>>If you take the top and doors off a Jeep and drive in the rain, the air
>>>comes in from the rear in a vortex and soaks the back of your head and
>>>covers the inside of the windshield with water.
>>>
>>
>> That's why the windscreen folds down.
>
>
> LOL! Too true!
>
> I just am really paranoid about exhaust and find folks aren't aware of
> how sneaky it is.
>
> I posted a warning a couple years back about getting gassed out in a TJ
> if you drive with just the soft top windows out and leave the doors on.
> A friend kept falling asleep at the wheel and we went on a camping trip
> in his Jeep. His girlfriend warned me about him falling asleep. Well
> sure enough we were less than an hour into the drive and he is nodding
> off. I took over driving and started to too, then realized we were
> getting gassed by the forehead headache and difficulty keeping my eyes
> open. I got the door windows open and cranked the fan to full and was
> ok after I woke up buddy.
>
> Well.... He still didn't freaking believe me!!!!!! He continued to
> drive like that until he rolled his TJ on a sunny day on a straight
> piece of road.... He still 'doesn't know what happened'....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
with the rear window "only" removed.
from the Jeep soft top. The owners manual
does say not to do that. Does it?
Very dangerous indeed!
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>>Cab? What cab?
>>>>>
>>>>>The part behind the windshield with the two seats in it where the
>>>>>air flow comes in in a vortex from the rear and hits you in the
>>>>>back of the head part. You know, where the rain soaks the back of
>>>>>your head and the windshield need an inside wiper.
>>>>>
>>>>>Or maybe you don't know....
>>>>>
>>>>>I mean I guess if he always leaves the top and doors off and
>>>>>doesn't mind stinging eyes And the wind is blowing the right way,
>>>>>he might live through a trip in it..... CO is bad ----....
>>
>> Apparently he has driven it extensively and it hasn't been a problem
>>for him or he would fix it. It's not as though it would be a terribly
>>difficult or expensive thing to run a exhaust pipe to the back.
>>
>> To answer your later question, a diesel generates carbon monoxide only
>>under a very narrow band of conditions. Since the intake is
>>unthrottled, diesels always have excess air (if they don't they are
>>really, really smoking). If CO were the only problem diesels could be
>>operated safely inside enclosed areas-and indeed, in mines, they are,
>>albeit mine certified versions with mine diesel fuel and catalytic
>>converters. Gasoline engines on the other hand generate CO at all power
>>settings but especially at idle. Even LPG and CNG engines generate CO
>>unless they are carefully set up not to do so. Only engines burning
>>non-carbon fuels like hydrogen or ammonia are intrinsically non-carbon
>>monoxide generators.
>>
>> If this exhaust were a killer it would be hundreds or thousands of
>>times more dangerous with a gas engine.
>>
>> To sum up, I don't care for this arrangement but apparently it's not a
>>problem because it would be easily fixed if it were.
>>
>>
>>>>Top? Doors? What top? What doors? OBTW, it's a diesel.
>>>
>>>I guess you don't know then..... Too bad it's trip to drive topless and
>>>doorless.
>>>
>>>If you take the top and doors off a Jeep and drive in the rain, the air
>>>comes in from the rear in a vortex and soaks the back of your head and
>>>covers the inside of the windshield with water.
>>>
>>
>> That's why the windscreen folds down.
>
>
> LOL! Too true!
>
> I just am really paranoid about exhaust and find folks aren't aware of
> how sneaky it is.
>
> I posted a warning a couple years back about getting gassed out in a TJ
> if you drive with just the soft top windows out and leave the doors on.
> A friend kept falling asleep at the wheel and we went on a camping trip
> in his Jeep. His girlfriend warned me about him falling asleep. Well
> sure enough we were less than an hour into the drive and he is nodding
> off. I took over driving and started to too, then realized we were
> getting gassed by the forehead headache and difficulty keeping my eyes
> open. I got the door windows open and cranked the fan to full and was
> ok after I woke up buddy.
>
> Well.... He still didn't freaking believe me!!!!!! He continued to
> drive like that until he rolled his TJ on a sunny day on a straight
> piece of road.... He still 'doesn't know what happened'....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
05-25-2006, 10:03 AM
#49
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: An excellent Jeep
I have to laugh at all the people
with the rear window "only" removed.
from the Jeep soft top. The owners manual
does say not to do that. Does it?
Very dangerous indeed!
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>>Cab? What cab?
>>>>>
>>>>>The part behind the windshield with the two seats in it where the
>>>>>air flow comes in in a vortex from the rear and hits you in the
>>>>>back of the head part. You know, where the rain soaks the back of
>>>>>your head and the windshield need an inside wiper.
>>>>>
>>>>>Or maybe you don't know....
>>>>>
>>>>>I mean I guess if he always leaves the top and doors off and
>>>>>doesn't mind stinging eyes And the wind is blowing the right way,
>>>>>he might live through a trip in it..... CO is bad ----....
>>
>> Apparently he has driven it extensively and it hasn't been a problem
>>for him or he would fix it. It's not as though it would be a terribly
>>difficult or expensive thing to run a exhaust pipe to the back.
>>
>> To answer your later question, a diesel generates carbon monoxide only
>>under a very narrow band of conditions. Since the intake is
>>unthrottled, diesels always have excess air (if they don't they are
>>really, really smoking). If CO were the only problem diesels could be
>>operated safely inside enclosed areas-and indeed, in mines, they are,
>>albeit mine certified versions with mine diesel fuel and catalytic
>>converters. Gasoline engines on the other hand generate CO at all power
>>settings but especially at idle. Even LPG and CNG engines generate CO
>>unless they are carefully set up not to do so. Only engines burning
>>non-carbon fuels like hydrogen or ammonia are intrinsically non-carbon
>>monoxide generators.
>>
>> If this exhaust were a killer it would be hundreds or thousands of
>>times more dangerous with a gas engine.
>>
>> To sum up, I don't care for this arrangement but apparently it's not a
>>problem because it would be easily fixed if it were.
>>
>>
>>>>Top? Doors? What top? What doors? OBTW, it's a diesel.
>>>
>>>I guess you don't know then..... Too bad it's trip to drive topless and
>>>doorless.
>>>
>>>If you take the top and doors off a Jeep and drive in the rain, the air
>>>comes in from the rear in a vortex and soaks the back of your head and
>>>covers the inside of the windshield with water.
>>>
>>
>> That's why the windscreen folds down.
>
>
> LOL! Too true!
>
> I just am really paranoid about exhaust and find folks aren't aware of
> how sneaky it is.
>
> I posted a warning a couple years back about getting gassed out in a TJ
> if you drive with just the soft top windows out and leave the doors on.
> A friend kept falling asleep at the wheel and we went on a camping trip
> in his Jeep. His girlfriend warned me about him falling asleep. Well
> sure enough we were less than an hour into the drive and he is nodding
> off. I took over driving and started to too, then realized we were
> getting gassed by the forehead headache and difficulty keeping my eyes
> open. I got the door windows open and cranked the fan to full and was
> ok after I woke up buddy.
>
> Well.... He still didn't freaking believe me!!!!!! He continued to
> drive like that until he rolled his TJ on a sunny day on a straight
> piece of road.... He still 'doesn't know what happened'....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
with the rear window "only" removed.
from the Jeep soft top. The owners manual
does say not to do that. Does it?
Very dangerous indeed!
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>>Cab? What cab?
>>>>>
>>>>>The part behind the windshield with the two seats in it where the
>>>>>air flow comes in in a vortex from the rear and hits you in the
>>>>>back of the head part. You know, where the rain soaks the back of
>>>>>your head and the windshield need an inside wiper.
>>>>>
>>>>>Or maybe you don't know....
>>>>>
>>>>>I mean I guess if he always leaves the top and doors off and
>>>>>doesn't mind stinging eyes And the wind is blowing the right way,
>>>>>he might live through a trip in it..... CO is bad ----....
>>
>> Apparently he has driven it extensively and it hasn't been a problem
>>for him or he would fix it. It's not as though it would be a terribly
>>difficult or expensive thing to run a exhaust pipe to the back.
>>
>> To answer your later question, a diesel generates carbon monoxide only
>>under a very narrow band of conditions. Since the intake is
>>unthrottled, diesels always have excess air (if they don't they are
>>really, really smoking). If CO were the only problem diesels could be
>>operated safely inside enclosed areas-and indeed, in mines, they are,
>>albeit mine certified versions with mine diesel fuel and catalytic
>>converters. Gasoline engines on the other hand generate CO at all power
>>settings but especially at idle. Even LPG and CNG engines generate CO
>>unless they are carefully set up not to do so. Only engines burning
>>non-carbon fuels like hydrogen or ammonia are intrinsically non-carbon
>>monoxide generators.
>>
>> If this exhaust were a killer it would be hundreds or thousands of
>>times more dangerous with a gas engine.
>>
>> To sum up, I don't care for this arrangement but apparently it's not a
>>problem because it would be easily fixed if it were.
>>
>>
>>>>Top? Doors? What top? What doors? OBTW, it's a diesel.
>>>
>>>I guess you don't know then..... Too bad it's trip to drive topless and
>>>doorless.
>>>
>>>If you take the top and doors off a Jeep and drive in the rain, the air
>>>comes in from the rear in a vortex and soaks the back of your head and
>>>covers the inside of the windshield with water.
>>>
>>
>> That's why the windscreen folds down.
>
>
> LOL! Too true!
>
> I just am really paranoid about exhaust and find folks aren't aware of
> how sneaky it is.
>
> I posted a warning a couple years back about getting gassed out in a TJ
> if you drive with just the soft top windows out and leave the doors on.
> A friend kept falling asleep at the wheel and we went on a camping trip
> in his Jeep. His girlfriend warned me about him falling asleep. Well
> sure enough we were less than an hour into the drive and he is nodding
> off. I took over driving and started to too, then realized we were
> getting gassed by the forehead headache and difficulty keeping my eyes
> open. I got the door windows open and cranked the fan to full and was
> ok after I woke up buddy.
>
> Well.... He still didn't freaking believe me!!!!!! He continued to
> drive like that until he rolled his TJ on a sunny day on a straight
> piece of road.... He still 'doesn't know what happened'....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
05-25-2006, 10:54 AM
#50
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: An excellent Jeep
FrankW wrote:
> I have to laugh at all the people
> with the rear window "only" removed.
> from the Jeep soft top. The owners manual
> does say not to do that. Does it?
> Very dangerous indeed!
>
Sometimes it's amazing how big an effect a little change in your exhaust
exit can have. When I finished rebuilding my CJ the exhaust dumped
straight out the back, just to the inside of the drivers side tire. The
fumes just about killed me from time to time. When I was driving, even
on the highway, I'd get clean air, exhaust, clean air, exhaust. I could
feel it swirling around me. I changed it so it made a little dog leg at
the rear to dump just behind the rear tire and pointing slightly down
and I haven't had a problem since. Basically I put it back to its'
factory location (damn, sometimes engineers do get it right!).
Highway, trail, top, doors, windows or any combination thereof and I
don't have exhaust fumes any more. I was pretty amazed at what a
difference such a small change made. I'd have to say the exhaust tip
didn't move more than 8" +/- but it was all the world.
> I have to laugh at all the people
> with the rear window "only" removed.
> from the Jeep soft top. The owners manual
> does say not to do that. Does it?
> Very dangerous indeed!
>
Sometimes it's amazing how big an effect a little change in your exhaust
exit can have. When I finished rebuilding my CJ the exhaust dumped
straight out the back, just to the inside of the drivers side tire. The
fumes just about killed me from time to time. When I was driving, even
on the highway, I'd get clean air, exhaust, clean air, exhaust. I could
feel it swirling around me. I changed it so it made a little dog leg at
the rear to dump just behind the rear tire and pointing slightly down
and I haven't had a problem since. Basically I put it back to its'
factory location (damn, sometimes engineers do get it right!).
Highway, trail, top, doors, windows or any combination thereof and I
don't have exhaust fumes any more. I was pretty amazed at what a
difference such a small change made. I'd have to say the exhaust tip
didn't move more than 8" +/- but it was all the world.