For Every One with a R-12 AC unit in their vehicle
08-11-2004, 11:44 PM
#91
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Re: Jerry
That's a good attitude to have. I found leaning to fly in the Navy to
involve a LOT too much IFR, and that probably ruined me on it forever
:) We even flew helos IFR, and THAT'S pretty hair-raising. It just
always seemed to me like we had a lot of bad VFR map/landmark pilots
after so much IFR time. I know I always had to bone up extra on the
maps and GET MY HEAD OUTSIDE!! :)
Good luck and have fun with it.
Matt
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:<3lrSc.5686$yh.1637@fed1read05>...
> I'm of the opinion getting my IFR rating will simply make me or anyone a
> much better pilot, even if I only filed enough IFR to stay current. Which
> is really the only reason I took the "Recovery from unusual attitudes"
> course and then got into a little aerobatics after that... both of which
> made a HUGE impact on my skills and confidence. :)
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Matt" <mhammer8@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3a3f4978.0408110744.6bb5e019@posting.google.c om...
> > IFR (and multi, when you get right down to it) are a waste for a
> > casual pilot unless you're trying to make money anyway. Spend all
> > those hours (and money & gas!) you would have spent on IFR doing
> > low-level VFR maps and it will make you better. Fun, too.
> >
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:<S_gSc.5572$yh.1382@fed1read05>...
> > > Heh, nope, still just a lowly ASEL non-IFR guy. I took the IFR
> groundschool
> > > at the local community college and passed the written then took dual
> time
> > > plus the max simulator time but ran out of $$$ before finishing the
> ticket.
> > > Oh well, at least it's not IFR much around here. ;)
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > "Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:b53da461.0408101516.21f576de@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > Jerry
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > >
> > > > All this time and you're not commercial, instrument, multi yet? Taken
> > > > the written even??
involve a LOT too much IFR, and that probably ruined me on it forever
:) We even flew helos IFR, and THAT'S pretty hair-raising. It just
always seemed to me like we had a lot of bad VFR map/landmark pilots
after so much IFR time. I know I always had to bone up extra on the
maps and GET MY HEAD OUTSIDE!! :)
Good luck and have fun with it.
Matt
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:<3lrSc.5686$yh.1637@fed1read05>...
> I'm of the opinion getting my IFR rating will simply make me or anyone a
> much better pilot, even if I only filed enough IFR to stay current. Which
> is really the only reason I took the "Recovery from unusual attitudes"
> course and then got into a little aerobatics after that... both of which
> made a HUGE impact on my skills and confidence. :)
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Matt" <mhammer8@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3a3f4978.0408110744.6bb5e019@posting.google.c om...
> > IFR (and multi, when you get right down to it) are a waste for a
> > casual pilot unless you're trying to make money anyway. Spend all
> > those hours (and money & gas!) you would have spent on IFR doing
> > low-level VFR maps and it will make you better. Fun, too.
> >
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:<S_gSc.5572$yh.1382@fed1read05>...
> > > Heh, nope, still just a lowly ASEL non-IFR guy. I took the IFR
> groundschool
> > > at the local community college and passed the written then took dual
> time
> > > plus the max simulator time but ran out of $$$ before finishing the
> ticket.
> > > Oh well, at least it's not IFR much around here. ;)
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > "Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:b53da461.0408101516.21f576de@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > Jerry
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > >
> > > > All this time and you're not commercial, instrument, multi yet? Taken
> > > > the written even??
08-11-2004, 11:44 PM
#92
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Posts: n/a
Re: Jerry
That's a good attitude to have. I found leaning to fly in the Navy to
involve a LOT too much IFR, and that probably ruined me on it forever
:) We even flew helos IFR, and THAT'S pretty hair-raising. It just
always seemed to me like we had a lot of bad VFR map/landmark pilots
after so much IFR time. I know I always had to bone up extra on the
maps and GET MY HEAD OUTSIDE!! :)
Good luck and have fun with it.
Matt
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:<3lrSc.5686$yh.1637@fed1read05>...
> I'm of the opinion getting my IFR rating will simply make me or anyone a
> much better pilot, even if I only filed enough IFR to stay current. Which
> is really the only reason I took the "Recovery from unusual attitudes"
> course and then got into a little aerobatics after that... both of which
> made a HUGE impact on my skills and confidence. :)
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Matt" <mhammer8@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3a3f4978.0408110744.6bb5e019@posting.google.c om...
> > IFR (and multi, when you get right down to it) are a waste for a
> > casual pilot unless you're trying to make money anyway. Spend all
> > those hours (and money & gas!) you would have spent on IFR doing
> > low-level VFR maps and it will make you better. Fun, too.
> >
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:<S_gSc.5572$yh.1382@fed1read05>...
> > > Heh, nope, still just a lowly ASEL non-IFR guy. I took the IFR
> groundschool
> > > at the local community college and passed the written then took dual
> time
> > > plus the max simulator time but ran out of $$$ before finishing the
> ticket.
> > > Oh well, at least it's not IFR much around here. ;)
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > "Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:b53da461.0408101516.21f576de@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > Jerry
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > >
> > > > All this time and you're not commercial, instrument, multi yet? Taken
> > > > the written even??
involve a LOT too much IFR, and that probably ruined me on it forever
:) We even flew helos IFR, and THAT'S pretty hair-raising. It just
always seemed to me like we had a lot of bad VFR map/landmark pilots
after so much IFR time. I know I always had to bone up extra on the
maps and GET MY HEAD OUTSIDE!! :)
Good luck and have fun with it.
Matt
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:<3lrSc.5686$yh.1637@fed1read05>...
> I'm of the opinion getting my IFR rating will simply make me or anyone a
> much better pilot, even if I only filed enough IFR to stay current. Which
> is really the only reason I took the "Recovery from unusual attitudes"
> course and then got into a little aerobatics after that... both of which
> made a HUGE impact on my skills and confidence. :)
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Matt" <mhammer8@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3a3f4978.0408110744.6bb5e019@posting.google.c om...
> > IFR (and multi, when you get right down to it) are a waste for a
> > casual pilot unless you're trying to make money anyway. Spend all
> > those hours (and money & gas!) you would have spent on IFR doing
> > low-level VFR maps and it will make you better. Fun, too.
> >
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:<S_gSc.5572$yh.1382@fed1read05>...
> > > Heh, nope, still just a lowly ASEL non-IFR guy. I took the IFR
> groundschool
> > > at the local community college and passed the written then took dual
> time
> > > plus the max simulator time but ran out of $$$ before finishing the
> ticket.
> > > Oh well, at least it's not IFR much around here. ;)
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > "Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:b53da461.0408101516.21f576de@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > Jerry
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > >
> > > > All this time and you're not commercial, instrument, multi yet? Taken
> > > > the written even??
08-11-2004, 11:44 PM
#93
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Posts: n/a
Re: Jerry
That's a good attitude to have. I found leaning to fly in the Navy to
involve a LOT too much IFR, and that probably ruined me on it forever
:) We even flew helos IFR, and THAT'S pretty hair-raising. It just
always seemed to me like we had a lot of bad VFR map/landmark pilots
after so much IFR time. I know I always had to bone up extra on the
maps and GET MY HEAD OUTSIDE!! :)
Good luck and have fun with it.
Matt
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:<3lrSc.5686$yh.1637@fed1read05>...
> I'm of the opinion getting my IFR rating will simply make me or anyone a
> much better pilot, even if I only filed enough IFR to stay current. Which
> is really the only reason I took the "Recovery from unusual attitudes"
> course and then got into a little aerobatics after that... both of which
> made a HUGE impact on my skills and confidence. :)
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Matt" <mhammer8@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3a3f4978.0408110744.6bb5e019@posting.google.c om...
> > IFR (and multi, when you get right down to it) are a waste for a
> > casual pilot unless you're trying to make money anyway. Spend all
> > those hours (and money & gas!) you would have spent on IFR doing
> > low-level VFR maps and it will make you better. Fun, too.
> >
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:<S_gSc.5572$yh.1382@fed1read05>...
> > > Heh, nope, still just a lowly ASEL non-IFR guy. I took the IFR
> groundschool
> > > at the local community college and passed the written then took dual
> time
> > > plus the max simulator time but ran out of $$$ before finishing the
> ticket.
> > > Oh well, at least it's not IFR much around here. ;)
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > "Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:b53da461.0408101516.21f576de@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > Jerry
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > >
> > > > All this time and you're not commercial, instrument, multi yet? Taken
> > > > the written even??
involve a LOT too much IFR, and that probably ruined me on it forever
:) We even flew helos IFR, and THAT'S pretty hair-raising. It just
always seemed to me like we had a lot of bad VFR map/landmark pilots
after so much IFR time. I know I always had to bone up extra on the
maps and GET MY HEAD OUTSIDE!! :)
Good luck and have fun with it.
Matt
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message news:<3lrSc.5686$yh.1637@fed1read05>...
> I'm of the opinion getting my IFR rating will simply make me or anyone a
> much better pilot, even if I only filed enough IFR to stay current. Which
> is really the only reason I took the "Recovery from unusual attitudes"
> course and then got into a little aerobatics after that... both of which
> made a HUGE impact on my skills and confidence. :)
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Matt" <mhammer8@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3a3f4978.0408110744.6bb5e019@posting.google.c om...
> > IFR (and multi, when you get right down to it) are a waste for a
> > casual pilot unless you're trying to make money anyway. Spend all
> > those hours (and money & gas!) you would have spent on IFR doing
> > low-level VFR maps and it will make you better. Fun, too.
> >
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:<S_gSc.5572$yh.1382@fed1read05>...
> > > Heh, nope, still just a lowly ASEL non-IFR guy. I took the IFR
> groundschool
> > > at the local community college and passed the written then took dual
> time
> > > plus the max simulator time but ran out of $$$ before finishing the
> ticket.
> > > Oh well, at least it's not IFR much around here. ;)
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > "Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:b53da461.0408101516.21f576de@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > Jerry
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > >
> > > > All this time and you're not commercial, instrument, multi yet? Taken
> > > > the written even??
08-12-2004, 12:43 AM
#94
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Posts: n/a
Re: Jerry
Doesn't even take water or true night - just heading into the sunset
on a really hazy day over the plains or the desert will come pretty
close to the same loss of horizonal reference. My biggest problem was
with young pilots who had just finished their instrument checks and
were to proud to admit they needed those instruments unless they were
immersed in cloud.
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:35:32 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
wrote:
> Kennedy? Yeah, me too.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:411ACCEE.36B31543@***.net...
> > I wish John would have said that.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > >
> > > Heh... "at night" and "over water" are two phrases that I will never put
> > > together when filing a flight plan. ;)
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
--
Will Honea
on a really hazy day over the plains or the desert will come pretty
close to the same loss of horizonal reference. My biggest problem was
with young pilots who had just finished their instrument checks and
were to proud to admit they needed those instruments unless they were
immersed in cloud.
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:35:32 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
wrote:
> Kennedy? Yeah, me too.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:411ACCEE.36B31543@***.net...
> > I wish John would have said that.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > >
> > > Heh... "at night" and "over water" are two phrases that I will never put
> > > together when filing a flight plan. ;)
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
--
Will Honea
08-12-2004, 12:43 AM
#95
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jerry
Doesn't even take water or true night - just heading into the sunset
on a really hazy day over the plains or the desert will come pretty
close to the same loss of horizonal reference. My biggest problem was
with young pilots who had just finished their instrument checks and
were to proud to admit they needed those instruments unless they were
immersed in cloud.
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:35:32 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
wrote:
> Kennedy? Yeah, me too.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:411ACCEE.36B31543@***.net...
> > I wish John would have said that.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > >
> > > Heh... "at night" and "over water" are two phrases that I will never put
> > > together when filing a flight plan. ;)
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
--
Will Honea
on a really hazy day over the plains or the desert will come pretty
close to the same loss of horizonal reference. My biggest problem was
with young pilots who had just finished their instrument checks and
were to proud to admit they needed those instruments unless they were
immersed in cloud.
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:35:32 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
wrote:
> Kennedy? Yeah, me too.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:411ACCEE.36B31543@***.net...
> > I wish John would have said that.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > >
> > > Heh... "at night" and "over water" are two phrases that I will never put
> > > together when filing a flight plan. ;)
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
--
Will Honea
08-12-2004, 12:43 AM
#96
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jerry
Doesn't even take water or true night - just heading into the sunset
on a really hazy day over the plains or the desert will come pretty
close to the same loss of horizonal reference. My biggest problem was
with young pilots who had just finished their instrument checks and
were to proud to admit they needed those instruments unless they were
immersed in cloud.
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:35:32 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
wrote:
> Kennedy? Yeah, me too.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:411ACCEE.36B31543@***.net...
> > I wish John would have said that.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > >
> > > Heh... "at night" and "over water" are two phrases that I will never put
> > > together when filing a flight plan. ;)
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
--
Will Honea
on a really hazy day over the plains or the desert will come pretty
close to the same loss of horizonal reference. My biggest problem was
with young pilots who had just finished their instrument checks and
were to proud to admit they needed those instruments unless they were
immersed in cloud.
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:35:32 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
wrote:
> Kennedy? Yeah, me too.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:411ACCEE.36B31543@***.net...
> > I wish John would have said that.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > >
> > > Heh... "at night" and "over water" are two phrases that I will never put
> > > together when filing a flight plan. ;)
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
--
Will Honea
08-12-2004, 12:43 AM
#97
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jerry
Doesn't even take water or true night - just heading into the sunset
on a really hazy day over the plains or the desert will come pretty
close to the same loss of horizonal reference. My biggest problem was
with young pilots who had just finished their instrument checks and
were to proud to admit they needed those instruments unless they were
immersed in cloud.
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:35:32 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
wrote:
> Kennedy? Yeah, me too.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:411ACCEE.36B31543@***.net...
> > I wish John would have said that.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > >
> > > Heh... "at night" and "over water" are two phrases that I will never put
> > > together when filing a flight plan. ;)
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
--
Will Honea
on a really hazy day over the plains or the desert will come pretty
close to the same loss of horizonal reference. My biggest problem was
with young pilots who had just finished their instrument checks and
were to proud to admit they needed those instruments unless they were
immersed in cloud.
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:35:32 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
wrote:
> Kennedy? Yeah, me too.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:411ACCEE.36B31543@***.net...
> > I wish John would have said that.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > >
> > > Heh... "at night" and "over water" are two phrases that I will never put
> > > together when filing a flight plan. ;)
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
--
Will Honea
08-12-2004, 01:01 AM
#98
Guest
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Re: Jerry
One very hazy marginal condition (but still legally VFR) hurry-up flight to
return a rented Piper from Palm Springs over the mountains to San Diego was
like that for me late one afternoon. Maybe a touch of spatial
disorientation compounded by tremendous glare from the sun through the
haze... not one of my more fun flights that ended well only by really
concentrating on the instruments and the basics.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Will Honea" <hwj25(remove this)@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-LBDLqewFi731@anon.none.net...
> Doesn't even take water or true night - just heading into the sunset
> on a really hazy day over the plains or the desert will come pretty
> close to the same loss of horizonal reference. My biggest problem was
> with young pilots who had just finished their instrument checks and
> were to proud to admit they needed those instruments unless they were
> immersed in cloud.
>
> On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:35:32 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Kennedy? Yeah, me too.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:411ACCEE.36B31543@***.net...
> > > I wish John would have said that.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Heh... "at night" and "over water" are two phrases that I will never
put
> > > > together when filing a flight plan. ;)
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > > --
> > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
return a rented Piper from Palm Springs over the mountains to San Diego was
like that for me late one afternoon. Maybe a touch of spatial
disorientation compounded by tremendous glare from the sun through the
haze... not one of my more fun flights that ended well only by really
concentrating on the instruments and the basics.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Will Honea" <hwj25(remove this)@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-LBDLqewFi731@anon.none.net...
> Doesn't even take water or true night - just heading into the sunset
> on a really hazy day over the plains or the desert will come pretty
> close to the same loss of horizonal reference. My biggest problem was
> with young pilots who had just finished their instrument checks and
> were to proud to admit they needed those instruments unless they were
> immersed in cloud.
>
> On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:35:32 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Kennedy? Yeah, me too.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:411ACCEE.36B31543@***.net...
> > > I wish John would have said that.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Heh... "at night" and "over water" are two phrases that I will never
put
> > > > together when filing a flight plan. ;)
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > > --
> > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
08-12-2004, 01:01 AM
#99
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jerry
One very hazy marginal condition (but still legally VFR) hurry-up flight to
return a rented Piper from Palm Springs over the mountains to San Diego was
like that for me late one afternoon. Maybe a touch of spatial
disorientation compounded by tremendous glare from the sun through the
haze... not one of my more fun flights that ended well only by really
concentrating on the instruments and the basics.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Will Honea" <hwj25(remove this)@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-LBDLqewFi731@anon.none.net...
> Doesn't even take water or true night - just heading into the sunset
> on a really hazy day over the plains or the desert will come pretty
> close to the same loss of horizonal reference. My biggest problem was
> with young pilots who had just finished their instrument checks and
> were to proud to admit they needed those instruments unless they were
> immersed in cloud.
>
> On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:35:32 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Kennedy? Yeah, me too.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:411ACCEE.36B31543@***.net...
> > > I wish John would have said that.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Heh... "at night" and "over water" are two phrases that I will never
put
> > > > together when filing a flight plan. ;)
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > > --
> > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
return a rented Piper from Palm Springs over the mountains to San Diego was
like that for me late one afternoon. Maybe a touch of spatial
disorientation compounded by tremendous glare from the sun through the
haze... not one of my more fun flights that ended well only by really
concentrating on the instruments and the basics.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Will Honea" <hwj25(remove this)@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-LBDLqewFi731@anon.none.net...
> Doesn't even take water or true night - just heading into the sunset
> on a really hazy day over the plains or the desert will come pretty
> close to the same loss of horizonal reference. My biggest problem was
> with young pilots who had just finished their instrument checks and
> were to proud to admit they needed those instruments unless they were
> immersed in cloud.
>
> On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:35:32 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Kennedy? Yeah, me too.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:411ACCEE.36B31543@***.net...
> > > I wish John would have said that.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Heh... "at night" and "over water" are two phrases that I will never
put
> > > > together when filing a flight plan. ;)
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > > --
> > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
08-12-2004, 01:01 AM
#100
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jerry
One very hazy marginal condition (but still legally VFR) hurry-up flight to
return a rented Piper from Palm Springs over the mountains to San Diego was
like that for me late one afternoon. Maybe a touch of spatial
disorientation compounded by tremendous glare from the sun through the
haze... not one of my more fun flights that ended well only by really
concentrating on the instruments and the basics.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Will Honea" <hwj25(remove this)@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-LBDLqewFi731@anon.none.net...
> Doesn't even take water or true night - just heading into the sunset
> on a really hazy day over the plains or the desert will come pretty
> close to the same loss of horizonal reference. My biggest problem was
> with young pilots who had just finished their instrument checks and
> were to proud to admit they needed those instruments unless they were
> immersed in cloud.
>
> On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:35:32 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Kennedy? Yeah, me too.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:411ACCEE.36B31543@***.net...
> > > I wish John would have said that.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Heh... "at night" and "over water" are two phrases that I will never
put
> > > > together when filing a flight plan. ;)
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > > --
> > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
return a rented Piper from Palm Springs over the mountains to San Diego was
like that for me late one afternoon. Maybe a touch of spatial
disorientation compounded by tremendous glare from the sun through the
haze... not one of my more fun flights that ended well only by really
concentrating on the instruments and the basics.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Will Honea" <hwj25(remove this)@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-LBDLqewFi731@anon.none.net...
> Doesn't even take water or true night - just heading into the sunset
> on a really hazy day over the plains or the desert will come pretty
> close to the same loss of horizonal reference. My biggest problem was
> with young pilots who had just finished their instrument checks and
> were to proud to admit they needed those instruments unless they were
> immersed in cloud.
>
> On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:35:32 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Kennedy? Yeah, me too.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:411ACCEE.36B31543@***.net...
> > > I wish John would have said that.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Heh... "at night" and "over water" are two phrases that I will never
put
> > > > together when filing a flight plan. ;)
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > > --
> > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea