Lee Ayrton

Matt:

My e-mail address is valid if you'd like to discuss this further. It is
interesting to me, but I don't want to clutter up the newsgroup with it.


Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Then the project should be federalized. (flame suit on)
>
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:dsnpf7$a9k$1@reader2.panix.com...
>
>>We're drifting rapidly off-topic, but...
>>
>>If the Navy's motivation was from stock owners demanding increased profits
>>then submersible boat plants wouldn't enjoy the safety record that they
>>do.
>>
>>
>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>>Would be a good use for all the military bases that are slated to
>>>close...put up nuclear power plants. GWB mentioned that a while back, but
>>>I haven't heard much about it since. Yes, Bill, I agree with something W
>>>said. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
>>>
>>>And we should assign the management of the plants to the Navy, since they
>>>have so much experience with nuclear power.
>>>
>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>news:43EE7F78.44C01486@***.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>> We must use nuclear energy. Even a wind mill cost a million dollars
>>>>worth of energy to make. Maybe asking the our Indians to use their
>>>>sovereign nations, to build around these liberal wackos, will solve our
>>>>problem. All we have to do is drop our use of petroleum by about ten
>>>>percent and gasoline will become a useless by-product again.
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Or that it is pure government pork. It takes the energy of 2/3s of a
>>>>>gallon of gasoline to produce a gallon of pump-ready ethanol. A gallon
>>>>>of ethanol holds 2/3s the energy of gasoline, so BTU-wise it is a wash.
>>>>> I'm all for workable alternative energy sources, but in this case we
>>>>>might just as well burn gasoline and pay farmers not to plant surplus
>>>>>corn.
>>>
>>>
>

Lee Ayrton

Matt:

My e-mail address is valid if you'd like to discuss this further. It is
interesting to me, but I don't want to clutter up the newsgroup with it.


Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Then the project should be federalized. (flame suit on)
>
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:dsnpf7$a9k$1@reader2.panix.com...
>
>>We're drifting rapidly off-topic, but...
>>
>>If the Navy's motivation was from stock owners demanding increased profits
>>then submersible boat plants wouldn't enjoy the safety record that they
>>do.
>>
>>
>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>>Would be a good use for all the military bases that are slated to
>>>close...put up nuclear power plants. GWB mentioned that a while back, but
>>>I haven't heard much about it since. Yes, Bill, I agree with something W
>>>said. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
>>>
>>>And we should assign the management of the plants to the Navy, since they
>>>have so much experience with nuclear power.
>>>
>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>news:43EE7F78.44C01486@***.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>> We must use nuclear energy. Even a wind mill cost a million dollars
>>>>worth of energy to make. Maybe asking the our Indians to use their
>>>>sovereign nations, to build around these liberal wackos, will solve our
>>>>problem. All we have to do is drop our use of petroleum by about ten
>>>>percent and gasoline will become a useless by-product again.
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Or that it is pure government pork. It takes the energy of 2/3s of a
>>>>>gallon of gasoline to produce a gallon of pump-ready ethanol. A gallon
>>>>>of ethanol holds 2/3s the energy of gasoline, so BTU-wise it is a wash.
>>>>> I'm all for workable alternative energy sources, but in this case we
>>>>>might just as well burn gasoline and pay farmers not to plant surplus
>>>>>corn.
>>>
>>>
>

Lee Ayrton

Matt:

My e-mail address is valid if you'd like to discuss this further. It is
interesting to me, but I don't want to clutter up the newsgroup with it.


Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Then the project should be federalized. (flame suit on)
>
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:dsnpf7$a9k$1@reader2.panix.com...
>
>>We're drifting rapidly off-topic, but...
>>
>>If the Navy's motivation was from stock owners demanding increased profits
>>then submersible boat plants wouldn't enjoy the safety record that they
>>do.
>>
>>
>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>>Would be a good use for all the military bases that are slated to
>>>close...put up nuclear power plants. GWB mentioned that a while back, but
>>>I haven't heard much about it since. Yes, Bill, I agree with something W
>>>said. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
>>>
>>>And we should assign the management of the plants to the Navy, since they
>>>have so much experience with nuclear power.
>>>
>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>news:43EE7F78.44C01486@***.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>> We must use nuclear energy. Even a wind mill cost a million dollars
>>>>worth of energy to make. Maybe asking the our Indians to use their
>>>>sovereign nations, to build around these liberal wackos, will solve our
>>>>problem. All we have to do is drop our use of petroleum by about ten
>>>>percent and gasoline will become a useless by-product again.
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Or that it is pure government pork. It takes the energy of 2/3s of a
>>>>>gallon of gasoline to produce a gallon of pump-ready ethanol. A gallon
>>>>>of ethanol holds 2/3s the energy of gasoline, so BTU-wise it is a wash.
>>>>> I'm all for workable alternative energy sources, but in this case we
>>>>>might just as well burn gasoline and pay farmers not to plant surplus
>>>>>corn.
>>>
>>>
>

Bret Ludwig

If you have a carburetor car you can convert to E85 but you will be
stuck with it unless you convert back. You will need a reworked
carburetor. We have a local expatriate Brit that runs his Land Rover
with its two SUs on E85 in summer, and carries two spares in his parts
box should he run out. He has all replacement fuel lines and pump and
had the tank sloshed with alcoholproof compound, A lot of our local old
motorcycle guys run it too, especially in old single and twin cylinder
imported bikes. The Japanese fours are too much work to convert.

The two carb approach works pretty well.

The other way is to go over to a throttle body injection with an
aftermarket ECU like MegaSquirt that supports a sensor for the alcohol.

Bret Ludwig

If you have a carburetor car you can convert to E85 but you will be
stuck with it unless you convert back. You will need a reworked
carburetor. We have a local expatriate Brit that runs his Land Rover
with its two SUs on E85 in summer, and carries two spares in his parts
box should he run out. He has all replacement fuel lines and pump and
had the tank sloshed with alcoholproof compound, A lot of our local old
motorcycle guys run it too, especially in old single and twin cylinder
imported bikes. The Japanese fours are too much work to convert.

The two carb approach works pretty well.

The other way is to go over to a throttle body injection with an
aftermarket ECU like MegaSquirt that supports a sensor for the alcohol.

Bret Ludwig

If you have a carburetor car you can convert to E85 but you will be
stuck with it unless you convert back. You will need a reworked
carburetor. We have a local expatriate Brit that runs his Land Rover
with its two SUs on E85 in summer, and carries two spares in his parts
box should he run out. He has all replacement fuel lines and pump and
had the tank sloshed with alcoholproof compound, A lot of our local old
motorcycle guys run it too, especially in old single and twin cylinder
imported bikes. The Japanese fours are too much work to convert.

The two carb approach works pretty well.

The other way is to go over to a throttle body injection with an
aftermarket ECU like MegaSquirt that supports a sensor for the alcohol.

Bret Ludwig

If you have a carburetor car you can convert to E85 but you will be
stuck with it unless you convert back. You will need a reworked
carburetor. We have a local expatriate Brit that runs his Land Rover
with its two SUs on E85 in summer, and carries two spares in his parts
box should he run out. He has all replacement fuel lines and pump and
had the tank sloshed with alcoholproof compound, A lot of our local old
motorcycle guys run it too, especially in old single and twin cylinder
imported bikes. The Japanese fours are too much work to convert.

The two carb approach works pretty well.

The other way is to go over to a throttle body injection with an
aftermarket ECU like MegaSquirt that supports a sensor for the alcohol.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Plus corrosion is a big problem with gasoline engines, alcohol will
literally pour water into the crankcase. Aluminum cases will vaporize.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> If you have a carburetor car you can convert to E85 but you will be
> stuck with it unless you convert back. You will need a reworked
> carburetor. We have a local expatriate Brit that runs his Land Rover
> with its two SUs on E85 in summer, and carries two spares in his parts
> box should he run out. He has all replacement fuel lines and pump and
> had the tank sloshed with alcoholproof compound, A lot of our local old
> motorcycle guys run it too, especially in old single and twin cylinder
> imported bikes. The Japanese fours are too much work to convert.
>
> The two carb approach works pretty well.
>
> The other way is to go over to a throttle body injection with an
> aftermarket ECU like MegaSquirt that supports a sensor for the alcohol.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Plus corrosion is a big problem with gasoline engines, alcohol will
literally pour water into the crankcase. Aluminum cases will vaporize.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> If you have a carburetor car you can convert to E85 but you will be
> stuck with it unless you convert back. You will need a reworked
> carburetor. We have a local expatriate Brit that runs his Land Rover
> with its two SUs on E85 in summer, and carries two spares in his parts
> box should he run out. He has all replacement fuel lines and pump and
> had the tank sloshed with alcoholproof compound, A lot of our local old
> motorcycle guys run it too, especially in old single and twin cylinder
> imported bikes. The Japanese fours are too much work to convert.
>
> The two carb approach works pretty well.
>
> The other way is to go over to a throttle body injection with an
> aftermarket ECU like MegaSquirt that supports a sensor for the alcohol.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Plus corrosion is a big problem with gasoline engines, alcohol will
literally pour water into the crankcase. Aluminum cases will vaporize.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> If you have a carburetor car you can convert to E85 but you will be
> stuck with it unless you convert back. You will need a reworked
> carburetor. We have a local expatriate Brit that runs his Land Rover
> with its two SUs on E85 in summer, and carries two spares in his parts
> box should he run out. He has all replacement fuel lines and pump and
> had the tank sloshed with alcoholproof compound, A lot of our local old
> motorcycle guys run it too, especially in old single and twin cylinder
> imported bikes. The Japanese fours are too much work to convert.
>
> The two carb approach works pretty well.
>
> The other way is to go over to a throttle body injection with an
> aftermarket ECU like MegaSquirt that supports a sensor for the alcohol.