Embarrassing newbie questions about xfer case shifting
10-15-2003, 05:30 PM
#31
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Re: Embarrassing newbie questions about xfer case shifting
you can shift into or out of 4 wheel drive while moving , preferably driving
in in a straig;ht line, so that both drive shafts are turning at same speed,
AND, not while the rear wheels are slipping and spinning. To go into low,
you must be moving only 2 or 3 miles and hour. If you goof it and cannot
shift, stop the engine and shift into low then. This is how I did it with
my stick Jeeps. Doesn't usually hurt to leave the hubs locked..I left mine
locked all winter usually in my snowy location.....don't worry about shift
patterns, there aren't any...just straight back and forth.
"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:049qovgcv5b55gfquej1gdo8g9q8c99i6f@4ax.com...
> Hi all, I'm going to go check out a '78 CJ-7 with 304/3-speed today at
> noon. Supposedly "everything works" and the drivetrain is 100% stock.
> I think that means a spicer-20 xfer case (good thing from what I
> read), dana20 rear(weakest link on this setup from what I read), and
> dana30 front (not bad from what I've read). I've ridden in a few
> Jeeps but I've never actually driven one so I have the ultimate newbie
> question for you... I know how to drive a stick shift just fine,
> but... (here comes the embarrassing part...I've never actually driven
> a 4WD vehicle before so the xfer case shifting stuff is a myster to
> me...) on a 4WD vehicle there's that extra stick for the xfer case
> to choose between 2WD/4WD and high/low... On a Jeep, what is that
> shift pattern like? Hopefully it's marked on the stick... Like
> forward and to the left for 2WD, then straight back for 4WD(high), and
> back and to the right for 4WD(low)? (Just as an example) Something
> like that? Also, when using the xfer case shifter, I'd guess that I
> would depress the clutch like I do to shift transmission gears? In a
> normal offroad situation I think I'd approach the trail, get out and
> engage the manual hubs (keeping the xfer case set for 2WD) and then
> enter the trails and drive around like that and switch to 4WD using
> the xfer case when needed. I mean, it wouldn't hurt to drive around
> some with the hubs locked but the Jeep still in 2WD, would it? That
> would just make it so that the front axle would be spinning since it
> would be "locked" at the wheel hub as I moved but the front driveshaft
> would still be stationary because it was decoupled from the xfer case,
> right? I think I have that right, but wanted to be sure. The most
> important thing I need to know for right now though, is how to shift
> the xfer case since I'm gonna go test drive this Jeep today. Use the
> clutch when shifting xfer case? (probably) And the shift pattern? I
> have no idea what it is. Oh, and I'm also guessing that I wouldn't
> shift the xfer case at all unless I'm at a full stop, not moving at
> all? Thanks! (Hey, everybody had to learn this stuff at some
> point... Maybe a couple of years from now I'll google search on this
> post and have a good laugh at myself for having questions like these.
> :-)
>
>
> --
> Travis
> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> :wq!
in in a straig;ht line, so that both drive shafts are turning at same speed,
AND, not while the rear wheels are slipping and spinning. To go into low,
you must be moving only 2 or 3 miles and hour. If you goof it and cannot
shift, stop the engine and shift into low then. This is how I did it with
my stick Jeeps. Doesn't usually hurt to leave the hubs locked..I left mine
locked all winter usually in my snowy location.....don't worry about shift
patterns, there aren't any...just straight back and forth.
"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:049qovgcv5b55gfquej1gdo8g9q8c99i6f@4ax.com...
> Hi all, I'm going to go check out a '78 CJ-7 with 304/3-speed today at
> noon. Supposedly "everything works" and the drivetrain is 100% stock.
> I think that means a spicer-20 xfer case (good thing from what I
> read), dana20 rear(weakest link on this setup from what I read), and
> dana30 front (not bad from what I've read). I've ridden in a few
> Jeeps but I've never actually driven one so I have the ultimate newbie
> question for you... I know how to drive a stick shift just fine,
> but... (here comes the embarrassing part...I've never actually driven
> a 4WD vehicle before so the xfer case shifting stuff is a myster to
> me...) on a 4WD vehicle there's that extra stick for the xfer case
> to choose between 2WD/4WD and high/low... On a Jeep, what is that
> shift pattern like? Hopefully it's marked on the stick... Like
> forward and to the left for 2WD, then straight back for 4WD(high), and
> back and to the right for 4WD(low)? (Just as an example) Something
> like that? Also, when using the xfer case shifter, I'd guess that I
> would depress the clutch like I do to shift transmission gears? In a
> normal offroad situation I think I'd approach the trail, get out and
> engage the manual hubs (keeping the xfer case set for 2WD) and then
> enter the trails and drive around like that and switch to 4WD using
> the xfer case when needed. I mean, it wouldn't hurt to drive around
> some with the hubs locked but the Jeep still in 2WD, would it? That
> would just make it so that the front axle would be spinning since it
> would be "locked" at the wheel hub as I moved but the front driveshaft
> would still be stationary because it was decoupled from the xfer case,
> right? I think I have that right, but wanted to be sure. The most
> important thing I need to know for right now though, is how to shift
> the xfer case since I'm gonna go test drive this Jeep today. Use the
> clutch when shifting xfer case? (probably) And the shift pattern? I
> have no idea what it is. Oh, and I'm also guessing that I wouldn't
> shift the xfer case at all unless I'm at a full stop, not moving at
> all? Thanks! (Hey, everybody had to learn this stuff at some
> point... Maybe a couple of years from now I'll google search on this
> post and have a good laugh at myself for having questions like these.
> :-)
>
>
> --
> Travis
> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> :wq!
10-15-2003, 05:52 PM
#32
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Re: Embarrassing newbie questions about xfer case shifting
On the transfer case?
I do have the Dana 300, but....
I mean my manual 'does' say to shift the transfer case a 'firm' hand is
needed, so I hit it like an old Western Star I drove for a bit, man that
thing was a pig to shift, and I am good at double clutching.
I also don't need to pass neutral when shifting. My neutral is between
2 high and 4 low.
Ok, if that's the case with the 20, I will keep it in mind in the
future. I thought the 20 was a good transfer case...
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> We have to stop, maybe someone's that's whole lot better than I may
> double clutch it, going through neutral, but there's too many variables
> for me.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JimG wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> > Well OK, I guess I never tried it (nor owned an owners manual)... and we are
> > talking about a Dana 20 not our 300's. But did I get the pattern correct?
> > JimG
I do have the Dana 300, but....
I mean my manual 'does' say to shift the transfer case a 'firm' hand is
needed, so I hit it like an old Western Star I drove for a bit, man that
thing was a pig to shift, and I am good at double clutching.
I also don't need to pass neutral when shifting. My neutral is between
2 high and 4 low.
Ok, if that's the case with the 20, I will keep it in mind in the
future. I thought the 20 was a good transfer case...
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> We have to stop, maybe someone's that's whole lot better than I may
> double clutch it, going through neutral, but there's too many variables
> for me.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JimG wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> > Well OK, I guess I never tried it (nor owned an owners manual)... and we are
> > talking about a Dana 20 not our 300's. But did I get the pattern correct?
> > JimG
10-15-2003, 05:52 PM
#33
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Re: Embarrassing newbie questions about xfer case shifting
On the transfer case?
I do have the Dana 300, but....
I mean my manual 'does' say to shift the transfer case a 'firm' hand is
needed, so I hit it like an old Western Star I drove for a bit, man that
thing was a pig to shift, and I am good at double clutching.
I also don't need to pass neutral when shifting. My neutral is between
2 high and 4 low.
Ok, if that's the case with the 20, I will keep it in mind in the
future. I thought the 20 was a good transfer case...
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> We have to stop, maybe someone's that's whole lot better than I may
> double clutch it, going through neutral, but there's too many variables
> for me.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JimG wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> > Well OK, I guess I never tried it (nor owned an owners manual)... and we are
> > talking about a Dana 20 not our 300's. But did I get the pattern correct?
> > JimG
I do have the Dana 300, but....
I mean my manual 'does' say to shift the transfer case a 'firm' hand is
needed, so I hit it like an old Western Star I drove for a bit, man that
thing was a pig to shift, and I am good at double clutching.
I also don't need to pass neutral when shifting. My neutral is between
2 high and 4 low.
Ok, if that's the case with the 20, I will keep it in mind in the
future. I thought the 20 was a good transfer case...
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> We have to stop, maybe someone's that's whole lot better than I may
> double clutch it, going through neutral, but there's too many variables
> for me.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JimG wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> > Well OK, I guess I never tried it (nor owned an owners manual)... and we are
> > talking about a Dana 20 not our 300's. But did I get the pattern correct?
> > JimG
10-15-2003, 05:52 PM
#34
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Re: Embarrassing newbie questions about xfer case shifting
On the transfer case?
I do have the Dana 300, but....
I mean my manual 'does' say to shift the transfer case a 'firm' hand is
needed, so I hit it like an old Western Star I drove for a bit, man that
thing was a pig to shift, and I am good at double clutching.
I also don't need to pass neutral when shifting. My neutral is between
2 high and 4 low.
Ok, if that's the case with the 20, I will keep it in mind in the
future. I thought the 20 was a good transfer case...
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> We have to stop, maybe someone's that's whole lot better than I may
> double clutch it, going through neutral, but there's too many variables
> for me.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JimG wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> > Well OK, I guess I never tried it (nor owned an owners manual)... and we are
> > talking about a Dana 20 not our 300's. But did I get the pattern correct?
> > JimG
I do have the Dana 300, but....
I mean my manual 'does' say to shift the transfer case a 'firm' hand is
needed, so I hit it like an old Western Star I drove for a bit, man that
thing was a pig to shift, and I am good at double clutching.
I also don't need to pass neutral when shifting. My neutral is between
2 high and 4 low.
Ok, if that's the case with the 20, I will keep it in mind in the
future. I thought the 20 was a good transfer case...
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> We have to stop, maybe someone's that's whole lot better than I may
> double clutch it, going through neutral, but there's too many variables
> for me.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JimG wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> > Well OK, I guess I never tried it (nor owned an owners manual)... and we are
> > talking about a Dana 20 not our 300's. But did I get the pattern correct?
> > JimG
10-15-2003, 06:00 PM
#35
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Re: Embarrassing newbie questions about xfer case shifting
Hi Mike,
I did get the shift pattern wrong for a Dana 300 anyway (not sure about the
20). It's 4L all the forward, then coming back N, 2H, then 4H. On a 208
(in Cherokee and a truck, manual transmission) it's opposite... 2H, 4H, N,
4L. I get confused if not sitting in front of it... mine has twin sticks.
Turns out I did find the owners manual for my 80 CJ-7 and it says to shift
the transfer case at 2-3 mph. I am sure the Dana 20 is the same.
JimG
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F8D6BB8.66199C81@sympatico.ca...
> You must have the only Jeep tranny I have ever heard of that isn't shift
> on the fly' into 4 high.
>
> The owners manual for my CJ7 says I can shift at any legal speed into 4
> high, and I do it all the time.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> JimG wrote:
> >
> > With a CJ, be stopped to shift from 2W to 4WH or 4WL. The Dana 20 ain't
no
> > "shift on the fly". The pattern is four positions, straight in line...
all
> > the way forward is 4WH, then coming back, neutral, 2WH, and then 4WL (I
> > believe that's correct if my memory serves me). The shift pattern is
> > typically on the ****. Depress the clutch to shift, and you may have to
> > bump it a bit (let clutch out briefly in forward/reverse) to get in/out
of
> > gear. Lock the hubs in at the trail head and shift to 4WD when needed
will
> > work fine.
> > Good Luck!
> >
> > --
> > JimG
> > 80' CJ-7, 258 CID
> > 35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
> > 4.56 D30-D44 SOA
> > D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
> > LockRight F&R
> >
> > "travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:049qovgcv5b55gfquej1gdo8g9q8c99i6f@4ax.com...
> > > Hi all, I'm going to go check out a '78 CJ-7 with 304/3-speed today at
> > > noon. Supposedly "everything works" and the drivetrain is 100% stock.
> > > I think that means a spicer-20 xfer case (good thing from what I
> > > read), dana20 rear(weakest link on this setup from what I read), and
> > > dana30 front (not bad from what I've read). I've ridden in a few
> > > Jeeps but I've never actually driven one so I have the ultimate newbie
> > > question for you... I know how to drive a stick shift just fine,
> > > but... (here comes the embarrassing part...I've never actually driven
> > > a 4WD vehicle before so the xfer case shifting stuff is a myster to
> > > me...) on a 4WD vehicle there's that extra stick for the xfer case
> > > to choose between 2WD/4WD and high/low... On a Jeep, what is that
> > > shift pattern like? Hopefully it's marked on the stick... Like
> > > forward and to the left for 2WD, then straight back for 4WD(high), and
> > > back and to the right for 4WD(low)? (Just as an example) Something
> > > like that? Also, when using the xfer case shifter, I'd guess that I
> > > would depress the clutch like I do to shift transmission gears? In a
> > > normal offroad situation I think I'd approach the trail, get out and
> > > engage the manual hubs (keeping the xfer case set for 2WD) and then
> > > enter the trails and drive around like that and switch to 4WD using
> > > the xfer case when needed. I mean, it wouldn't hurt to drive around
> > > some with the hubs locked but the Jeep still in 2WD, would it? That
> > > would just make it so that the front axle would be spinning since it
> > > would be "locked" at the wheel hub as I moved but the front driveshaft
> > > would still be stationary because it was decoupled from the xfer case,
> > > right? I think I have that right, but wanted to be sure. The most
> > > important thing I need to know for right now though, is how to shift
> > > the xfer case since I'm gonna go test drive this Jeep today. Use the
> > > clutch when shifting xfer case? (probably) And the shift pattern? I
> > > have no idea what it is. Oh, and I'm also guessing that I wouldn't
> > > shift the xfer case at all unless I'm at a full stop, not moving at
> > > all? Thanks! (Hey, everybody had to learn this stuff at some
> > > point... Maybe a couple of years from now I'll google search on this
> > > post and have a good laugh at myself for having questions like these.
> > > :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Travis
> > > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> > > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> > > :wq!
I did get the shift pattern wrong for a Dana 300 anyway (not sure about the
20). It's 4L all the forward, then coming back N, 2H, then 4H. On a 208
(in Cherokee and a truck, manual transmission) it's opposite... 2H, 4H, N,
4L. I get confused if not sitting in front of it... mine has twin sticks.
Turns out I did find the owners manual for my 80 CJ-7 and it says to shift
the transfer case at 2-3 mph. I am sure the Dana 20 is the same.
JimG
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F8D6BB8.66199C81@sympatico.ca...
> You must have the only Jeep tranny I have ever heard of that isn't shift
> on the fly' into 4 high.
>
> The owners manual for my CJ7 says I can shift at any legal speed into 4
> high, and I do it all the time.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> JimG wrote:
> >
> > With a CJ, be stopped to shift from 2W to 4WH or 4WL. The Dana 20 ain't
no
> > "shift on the fly". The pattern is four positions, straight in line...
all
> > the way forward is 4WH, then coming back, neutral, 2WH, and then 4WL (I
> > believe that's correct if my memory serves me). The shift pattern is
> > typically on the ****. Depress the clutch to shift, and you may have to
> > bump it a bit (let clutch out briefly in forward/reverse) to get in/out
of
> > gear. Lock the hubs in at the trail head and shift to 4WD when needed
will
> > work fine.
> > Good Luck!
> >
> > --
> > JimG
> > 80' CJ-7, 258 CID
> > 35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
> > 4.56 D30-D44 SOA
> > D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
> > LockRight F&R
> >
> > "travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:049qovgcv5b55gfquej1gdo8g9q8c99i6f@4ax.com...
> > > Hi all, I'm going to go check out a '78 CJ-7 with 304/3-speed today at
> > > noon. Supposedly "everything works" and the drivetrain is 100% stock.
> > > I think that means a spicer-20 xfer case (good thing from what I
> > > read), dana20 rear(weakest link on this setup from what I read), and
> > > dana30 front (not bad from what I've read). I've ridden in a few
> > > Jeeps but I've never actually driven one so I have the ultimate newbie
> > > question for you... I know how to drive a stick shift just fine,
> > > but... (here comes the embarrassing part...I've never actually driven
> > > a 4WD vehicle before so the xfer case shifting stuff is a myster to
> > > me...) on a 4WD vehicle there's that extra stick for the xfer case
> > > to choose between 2WD/4WD and high/low... On a Jeep, what is that
> > > shift pattern like? Hopefully it's marked on the stick... Like
> > > forward and to the left for 2WD, then straight back for 4WD(high), and
> > > back and to the right for 4WD(low)? (Just as an example) Something
> > > like that? Also, when using the xfer case shifter, I'd guess that I
> > > would depress the clutch like I do to shift transmission gears? In a
> > > normal offroad situation I think I'd approach the trail, get out and
> > > engage the manual hubs (keeping the xfer case set for 2WD) and then
> > > enter the trails and drive around like that and switch to 4WD using
> > > the xfer case when needed. I mean, it wouldn't hurt to drive around
> > > some with the hubs locked but the Jeep still in 2WD, would it? That
> > > would just make it so that the front axle would be spinning since it
> > > would be "locked" at the wheel hub as I moved but the front driveshaft
> > > would still be stationary because it was decoupled from the xfer case,
> > > right? I think I have that right, but wanted to be sure. The most
> > > important thing I need to know for right now though, is how to shift
> > > the xfer case since I'm gonna go test drive this Jeep today. Use the
> > > clutch when shifting xfer case? (probably) And the shift pattern? I
> > > have no idea what it is. Oh, and I'm also guessing that I wouldn't
> > > shift the xfer case at all unless I'm at a full stop, not moving at
> > > all? Thanks! (Hey, everybody had to learn this stuff at some
> > > point... Maybe a couple of years from now I'll google search on this
> > > post and have a good laugh at myself for having questions like these.
> > > :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Travis
> > > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> > > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> > > :wq!
10-15-2003, 06:00 PM
#36
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Embarrassing newbie questions about xfer case shifting
Hi Mike,
I did get the shift pattern wrong for a Dana 300 anyway (not sure about the
20). It's 4L all the forward, then coming back N, 2H, then 4H. On a 208
(in Cherokee and a truck, manual transmission) it's opposite... 2H, 4H, N,
4L. I get confused if not sitting in front of it... mine has twin sticks.
Turns out I did find the owners manual for my 80 CJ-7 and it says to shift
the transfer case at 2-3 mph. I am sure the Dana 20 is the same.
JimG
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F8D6BB8.66199C81@sympatico.ca...
> You must have the only Jeep tranny I have ever heard of that isn't shift
> on the fly' into 4 high.
>
> The owners manual for my CJ7 says I can shift at any legal speed into 4
> high, and I do it all the time.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> JimG wrote:
> >
> > With a CJ, be stopped to shift from 2W to 4WH or 4WL. The Dana 20 ain't
no
> > "shift on the fly". The pattern is four positions, straight in line...
all
> > the way forward is 4WH, then coming back, neutral, 2WH, and then 4WL (I
> > believe that's correct if my memory serves me). The shift pattern is
> > typically on the ****. Depress the clutch to shift, and you may have to
> > bump it a bit (let clutch out briefly in forward/reverse) to get in/out
of
> > gear. Lock the hubs in at the trail head and shift to 4WD when needed
will
> > work fine.
> > Good Luck!
> >
> > --
> > JimG
> > 80' CJ-7, 258 CID
> > 35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
> > 4.56 D30-D44 SOA
> > D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
> > LockRight F&R
> >
> > "travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:049qovgcv5b55gfquej1gdo8g9q8c99i6f@4ax.com...
> > > Hi all, I'm going to go check out a '78 CJ-7 with 304/3-speed today at
> > > noon. Supposedly "everything works" and the drivetrain is 100% stock.
> > > I think that means a spicer-20 xfer case (good thing from what I
> > > read), dana20 rear(weakest link on this setup from what I read), and
> > > dana30 front (not bad from what I've read). I've ridden in a few
> > > Jeeps but I've never actually driven one so I have the ultimate newbie
> > > question for you... I know how to drive a stick shift just fine,
> > > but... (here comes the embarrassing part...I've never actually driven
> > > a 4WD vehicle before so the xfer case shifting stuff is a myster to
> > > me...) on a 4WD vehicle there's that extra stick for the xfer case
> > > to choose between 2WD/4WD and high/low... On a Jeep, what is that
> > > shift pattern like? Hopefully it's marked on the stick... Like
> > > forward and to the left for 2WD, then straight back for 4WD(high), and
> > > back and to the right for 4WD(low)? (Just as an example) Something
> > > like that? Also, when using the xfer case shifter, I'd guess that I
> > > would depress the clutch like I do to shift transmission gears? In a
> > > normal offroad situation I think I'd approach the trail, get out and
> > > engage the manual hubs (keeping the xfer case set for 2WD) and then
> > > enter the trails and drive around like that and switch to 4WD using
> > > the xfer case when needed. I mean, it wouldn't hurt to drive around
> > > some with the hubs locked but the Jeep still in 2WD, would it? That
> > > would just make it so that the front axle would be spinning since it
> > > would be "locked" at the wheel hub as I moved but the front driveshaft
> > > would still be stationary because it was decoupled from the xfer case,
> > > right? I think I have that right, but wanted to be sure. The most
> > > important thing I need to know for right now though, is how to shift
> > > the xfer case since I'm gonna go test drive this Jeep today. Use the
> > > clutch when shifting xfer case? (probably) And the shift pattern? I
> > > have no idea what it is. Oh, and I'm also guessing that I wouldn't
> > > shift the xfer case at all unless I'm at a full stop, not moving at
> > > all? Thanks! (Hey, everybody had to learn this stuff at some
> > > point... Maybe a couple of years from now I'll google search on this
> > > post and have a good laugh at myself for having questions like these.
> > > :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Travis
> > > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> > > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> > > :wq!
I did get the shift pattern wrong for a Dana 300 anyway (not sure about the
20). It's 4L all the forward, then coming back N, 2H, then 4H. On a 208
(in Cherokee and a truck, manual transmission) it's opposite... 2H, 4H, N,
4L. I get confused if not sitting in front of it... mine has twin sticks.
Turns out I did find the owners manual for my 80 CJ-7 and it says to shift
the transfer case at 2-3 mph. I am sure the Dana 20 is the same.
JimG
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F8D6BB8.66199C81@sympatico.ca...
> You must have the only Jeep tranny I have ever heard of that isn't shift
> on the fly' into 4 high.
>
> The owners manual for my CJ7 says I can shift at any legal speed into 4
> high, and I do it all the time.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> JimG wrote:
> >
> > With a CJ, be stopped to shift from 2W to 4WH or 4WL. The Dana 20 ain't
no
> > "shift on the fly". The pattern is four positions, straight in line...
all
> > the way forward is 4WH, then coming back, neutral, 2WH, and then 4WL (I
> > believe that's correct if my memory serves me). The shift pattern is
> > typically on the ****. Depress the clutch to shift, and you may have to
> > bump it a bit (let clutch out briefly in forward/reverse) to get in/out
of
> > gear. Lock the hubs in at the trail head and shift to 4WD when needed
will
> > work fine.
> > Good Luck!
> >
> > --
> > JimG
> > 80' CJ-7, 258 CID
> > 35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
> > 4.56 D30-D44 SOA
> > D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
> > LockRight F&R
> >
> > "travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:049qovgcv5b55gfquej1gdo8g9q8c99i6f@4ax.com...
> > > Hi all, I'm going to go check out a '78 CJ-7 with 304/3-speed today at
> > > noon. Supposedly "everything works" and the drivetrain is 100% stock.
> > > I think that means a spicer-20 xfer case (good thing from what I
> > > read), dana20 rear(weakest link on this setup from what I read), and
> > > dana30 front (not bad from what I've read). I've ridden in a few
> > > Jeeps but I've never actually driven one so I have the ultimate newbie
> > > question for you... I know how to drive a stick shift just fine,
> > > but... (here comes the embarrassing part...I've never actually driven
> > > a 4WD vehicle before so the xfer case shifting stuff is a myster to
> > > me...) on a 4WD vehicle there's that extra stick for the xfer case
> > > to choose between 2WD/4WD and high/low... On a Jeep, what is that
> > > shift pattern like? Hopefully it's marked on the stick... Like
> > > forward and to the left for 2WD, then straight back for 4WD(high), and
> > > back and to the right for 4WD(low)? (Just as an example) Something
> > > like that? Also, when using the xfer case shifter, I'd guess that I
> > > would depress the clutch like I do to shift transmission gears? In a
> > > normal offroad situation I think I'd approach the trail, get out and
> > > engage the manual hubs (keeping the xfer case set for 2WD) and then
> > > enter the trails and drive around like that and switch to 4WD using
> > > the xfer case when needed. I mean, it wouldn't hurt to drive around
> > > some with the hubs locked but the Jeep still in 2WD, would it? That
> > > would just make it so that the front axle would be spinning since it
> > > would be "locked" at the wheel hub as I moved but the front driveshaft
> > > would still be stationary because it was decoupled from the xfer case,
> > > right? I think I have that right, but wanted to be sure. The most
> > > important thing I need to know for right now though, is how to shift
> > > the xfer case since I'm gonna go test drive this Jeep today. Use the
> > > clutch when shifting xfer case? (probably) And the shift pattern? I
> > > have no idea what it is. Oh, and I'm also guessing that I wouldn't
> > > shift the xfer case at all unless I'm at a full stop, not moving at
> > > all? Thanks! (Hey, everybody had to learn this stuff at some
> > > point... Maybe a couple of years from now I'll google search on this
> > > post and have a good laugh at myself for having questions like these.
> > > :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Travis
> > > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> > > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> > > :wq!
10-15-2003, 06:00 PM
#37
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Embarrassing newbie questions about xfer case shifting
Hi Mike,
I did get the shift pattern wrong for a Dana 300 anyway (not sure about the
20). It's 4L all the forward, then coming back N, 2H, then 4H. On a 208
(in Cherokee and a truck, manual transmission) it's opposite... 2H, 4H, N,
4L. I get confused if not sitting in front of it... mine has twin sticks.
Turns out I did find the owners manual for my 80 CJ-7 and it says to shift
the transfer case at 2-3 mph. I am sure the Dana 20 is the same.
JimG
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F8D6BB8.66199C81@sympatico.ca...
> You must have the only Jeep tranny I have ever heard of that isn't shift
> on the fly' into 4 high.
>
> The owners manual for my CJ7 says I can shift at any legal speed into 4
> high, and I do it all the time.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> JimG wrote:
> >
> > With a CJ, be stopped to shift from 2W to 4WH or 4WL. The Dana 20 ain't
no
> > "shift on the fly". The pattern is four positions, straight in line...
all
> > the way forward is 4WH, then coming back, neutral, 2WH, and then 4WL (I
> > believe that's correct if my memory serves me). The shift pattern is
> > typically on the ****. Depress the clutch to shift, and you may have to
> > bump it a bit (let clutch out briefly in forward/reverse) to get in/out
of
> > gear. Lock the hubs in at the trail head and shift to 4WD when needed
will
> > work fine.
> > Good Luck!
> >
> > --
> > JimG
> > 80' CJ-7, 258 CID
> > 35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
> > 4.56 D30-D44 SOA
> > D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
> > LockRight F&R
> >
> > "travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:049qovgcv5b55gfquej1gdo8g9q8c99i6f@4ax.com...
> > > Hi all, I'm going to go check out a '78 CJ-7 with 304/3-speed today at
> > > noon. Supposedly "everything works" and the drivetrain is 100% stock.
> > > I think that means a spicer-20 xfer case (good thing from what I
> > > read), dana20 rear(weakest link on this setup from what I read), and
> > > dana30 front (not bad from what I've read). I've ridden in a few
> > > Jeeps but I've never actually driven one so I have the ultimate newbie
> > > question for you... I know how to drive a stick shift just fine,
> > > but... (here comes the embarrassing part...I've never actually driven
> > > a 4WD vehicle before so the xfer case shifting stuff is a myster to
> > > me...) on a 4WD vehicle there's that extra stick for the xfer case
> > > to choose between 2WD/4WD and high/low... On a Jeep, what is that
> > > shift pattern like? Hopefully it's marked on the stick... Like
> > > forward and to the left for 2WD, then straight back for 4WD(high), and
> > > back and to the right for 4WD(low)? (Just as an example) Something
> > > like that? Also, when using the xfer case shifter, I'd guess that I
> > > would depress the clutch like I do to shift transmission gears? In a
> > > normal offroad situation I think I'd approach the trail, get out and
> > > engage the manual hubs (keeping the xfer case set for 2WD) and then
> > > enter the trails and drive around like that and switch to 4WD using
> > > the xfer case when needed. I mean, it wouldn't hurt to drive around
> > > some with the hubs locked but the Jeep still in 2WD, would it? That
> > > would just make it so that the front axle would be spinning since it
> > > would be "locked" at the wheel hub as I moved but the front driveshaft
> > > would still be stationary because it was decoupled from the xfer case,
> > > right? I think I have that right, but wanted to be sure. The most
> > > important thing I need to know for right now though, is how to shift
> > > the xfer case since I'm gonna go test drive this Jeep today. Use the
> > > clutch when shifting xfer case? (probably) And the shift pattern? I
> > > have no idea what it is. Oh, and I'm also guessing that I wouldn't
> > > shift the xfer case at all unless I'm at a full stop, not moving at
> > > all? Thanks! (Hey, everybody had to learn this stuff at some
> > > point... Maybe a couple of years from now I'll google search on this
> > > post and have a good laugh at myself for having questions like these.
> > > :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Travis
> > > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> > > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> > > :wq!
I did get the shift pattern wrong for a Dana 300 anyway (not sure about the
20). It's 4L all the forward, then coming back N, 2H, then 4H. On a 208
(in Cherokee and a truck, manual transmission) it's opposite... 2H, 4H, N,
4L. I get confused if not sitting in front of it... mine has twin sticks.
Turns out I did find the owners manual for my 80 CJ-7 and it says to shift
the transfer case at 2-3 mph. I am sure the Dana 20 is the same.
JimG
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F8D6BB8.66199C81@sympatico.ca...
> You must have the only Jeep tranny I have ever heard of that isn't shift
> on the fly' into 4 high.
>
> The owners manual for my CJ7 says I can shift at any legal speed into 4
> high, and I do it all the time.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> JimG wrote:
> >
> > With a CJ, be stopped to shift from 2W to 4WH or 4WL. The Dana 20 ain't
no
> > "shift on the fly". The pattern is four positions, straight in line...
all
> > the way forward is 4WH, then coming back, neutral, 2WH, and then 4WL (I
> > believe that's correct if my memory serves me). The shift pattern is
> > typically on the ****. Depress the clutch to shift, and you may have to
> > bump it a bit (let clutch out briefly in forward/reverse) to get in/out
of
> > gear. Lock the hubs in at the trail head and shift to 4WD when needed
will
> > work fine.
> > Good Luck!
> >
> > --
> > JimG
> > 80' CJ-7, 258 CID
> > 35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
> > 4.56 D30-D44 SOA
> > D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
> > LockRight F&R
> >
> > "travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:049qovgcv5b55gfquej1gdo8g9q8c99i6f@4ax.com...
> > > Hi all, I'm going to go check out a '78 CJ-7 with 304/3-speed today at
> > > noon. Supposedly "everything works" and the drivetrain is 100% stock.
> > > I think that means a spicer-20 xfer case (good thing from what I
> > > read), dana20 rear(weakest link on this setup from what I read), and
> > > dana30 front (not bad from what I've read). I've ridden in a few
> > > Jeeps but I've never actually driven one so I have the ultimate newbie
> > > question for you... I know how to drive a stick shift just fine,
> > > but... (here comes the embarrassing part...I've never actually driven
> > > a 4WD vehicle before so the xfer case shifting stuff is a myster to
> > > me...) on a 4WD vehicle there's that extra stick for the xfer case
> > > to choose between 2WD/4WD and high/low... On a Jeep, what is that
> > > shift pattern like? Hopefully it's marked on the stick... Like
> > > forward and to the left for 2WD, then straight back for 4WD(high), and
> > > back and to the right for 4WD(low)? (Just as an example) Something
> > > like that? Also, when using the xfer case shifter, I'd guess that I
> > > would depress the clutch like I do to shift transmission gears? In a
> > > normal offroad situation I think I'd approach the trail, get out and
> > > engage the manual hubs (keeping the xfer case set for 2WD) and then
> > > enter the trails and drive around like that and switch to 4WD using
> > > the xfer case when needed. I mean, it wouldn't hurt to drive around
> > > some with the hubs locked but the Jeep still in 2WD, would it? That
> > > would just make it so that the front axle would be spinning since it
> > > would be "locked" at the wheel hub as I moved but the front driveshaft
> > > would still be stationary because it was decoupled from the xfer case,
> > > right? I think I have that right, but wanted to be sure. The most
> > > important thing I need to know for right now though, is how to shift
> > > the xfer case since I'm gonna go test drive this Jeep today. Use the
> > > clutch when shifting xfer case? (probably) And the shift pattern? I
> > > have no idea what it is. Oh, and I'm also guessing that I wouldn't
> > > shift the xfer case at all unless I'm at a full stop, not moving at
> > > all? Thanks! (Hey, everybody had to learn this stuff at some
> > > point... Maybe a couple of years from now I'll google search on this
> > > post and have a good laugh at myself for having questions like these.
> > > :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Travis
> > > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> > > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> > > :wq!
10-15-2003, 06:02 PM
#38
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Embarrassing newbie questions about xfer case shifting
Hi Travis,
I did get the shift pattern wrong for a Dana 300 anyway (not sure about the
20). The 300 is 4L all the forward, then coming back N, 2H, then 4H. On a
208 (in Cherokee and a truck, manual transmission) it's opposite... 2H, 4H,
N, 4L. I get confused if not sitting in front of it... mine has twin
sticks.
JimG
I did get the shift pattern wrong for a Dana 300 anyway (not sure about the
20). The 300 is 4L all the forward, then coming back N, 2H, then 4H. On a
208 (in Cherokee and a truck, manual transmission) it's opposite... 2H, 4H,
N, 4L. I get confused if not sitting in front of it... mine has twin
sticks.
JimG
10-15-2003, 06:02 PM
#39
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Embarrassing newbie questions about xfer case shifting
Hi Travis,
I did get the shift pattern wrong for a Dana 300 anyway (not sure about the
20). The 300 is 4L all the forward, then coming back N, 2H, then 4H. On a
208 (in Cherokee and a truck, manual transmission) it's opposite... 2H, 4H,
N, 4L. I get confused if not sitting in front of it... mine has twin
sticks.
JimG
I did get the shift pattern wrong for a Dana 300 anyway (not sure about the
20). The 300 is 4L all the forward, then coming back N, 2H, then 4H. On a
208 (in Cherokee and a truck, manual transmission) it's opposite... 2H, 4H,
N, 4L. I get confused if not sitting in front of it... mine has twin
sticks.
JimG
10-15-2003, 06:02 PM
#40
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Embarrassing newbie questions about xfer case shifting
Hi Travis,
I did get the shift pattern wrong for a Dana 300 anyway (not sure about the
20). The 300 is 4L all the forward, then coming back N, 2H, then 4H. On a
208 (in Cherokee and a truck, manual transmission) it's opposite... 2H, 4H,
N, 4L. I get confused if not sitting in front of it... mine has twin
sticks.
JimG
I did get the shift pattern wrong for a Dana 300 anyway (not sure about the
20). The 300 is 4L all the forward, then coming back N, 2H, then 4H. On a
208 (in Cherokee and a truck, manual transmission) it's opposite... 2H, 4H,
N, 4L. I get confused if not sitting in front of it... mine has twin
sticks.
JimG