Kate

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4426E698.309D8ADF@sympatico.ca...
: No joke unfortunately. They are talking about mandating alcohol in fuel
: in Canada too or at least in Ontario in the next couple years.
:
: It is total -------- about the older engines. The crap eats gas lines,
: the carb float needles go bad and I lose over 25% in mileage and have
: no power over 60 mph when I run alcohol mix. Even my owners manual
: states 'not' to use the junk.
:
: I mean I go from over 350 miles per tank of gas down to 250 miles at
: best with alcohol mix.
:
: Great stuff, it is more expensive and we use Way more of it when mixed.
:
:

WOW - that's really bad mike.
I just wonder......

My Liberty has gotten worse and worse mileage over the last month. Maybe the
station switched while I wasn't looking.

Kate

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4426E698.309D8ADF@sympatico.ca...
: No joke unfortunately. They are talking about mandating alcohol in fuel
: in Canada too or at least in Ontario in the next couple years.
:
: It is total -------- about the older engines. The crap eats gas lines,
: the carb float needles go bad and I lose over 25% in mileage and have
: no power over 60 mph when I run alcohol mix. Even my owners manual
: states 'not' to use the junk.
:
: I mean I go from over 350 miles per tank of gas down to 250 miles at
: best with alcohol mix.
:
: Great stuff, it is more expensive and we use Way more of it when mixed.
:
:

WOW - that's really bad mike.
I just wonder......

My Liberty has gotten worse and worse mileage over the last month. Maybe the
station switched while I wasn't looking.

Earle Horton

What kind of thermostat do you have in that vehicle? The FI rigs I have are
pretty tolerant of what passes for fuel at the pumps near here, but FI
doesn't make fuel burn any better than a carburetor does.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4427294A.3771817C@sympatico.ca...
> I don't think so..... My needles barely last a year. The are done in
> for sure every 2 years. The one I have in now has started to leak and
> it's only a year old. I just pulled it and cleaned it's slides and tip
> and we will see if I have to buy a kit or not....
>
> I was experimenting with that crappy gas mix and my carb's mix to see if
> I could burn the junk. Folks told me I was running lean if it wouldn't
> burn alcohol so I tried to rich it up via the internal metering
> needles. All that got me was a mid range bog and bad gas mileage.
>
> I just went back to the stock settings and am hoping on the needle...
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> > I was being my usual sarcastic self, they've replaced the neoprene
> > with some other plastic, like in this new Holley kit:
> > http://www.----------.com/holley.jpg
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > No way, I am still getting the neoprene needle seats...
> > >
> > > Mike


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Earle Horton

What kind of thermostat do you have in that vehicle? The FI rigs I have are
pretty tolerant of what passes for fuel at the pumps near here, but FI
doesn't make fuel burn any better than a carburetor does.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4427294A.3771817C@sympatico.ca...
> I don't think so..... My needles barely last a year. The are done in
> for sure every 2 years. The one I have in now has started to leak and
> it's only a year old. I just pulled it and cleaned it's slides and tip
> and we will see if I have to buy a kit or not....
>
> I was experimenting with that crappy gas mix and my carb's mix to see if
> I could burn the junk. Folks told me I was running lean if it wouldn't
> burn alcohol so I tried to rich it up via the internal metering
> needles. All that got me was a mid range bog and bad gas mileage.
>
> I just went back to the stock settings and am hoping on the needle...
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> > I was being my usual sarcastic self, they've replaced the neoprene
> > with some other plastic, like in this new Holley kit:
> > http://www.----------.com/holley.jpg
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > No way, I am still getting the neoprene needle seats...
> > >
> > > Mike


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Earle Horton

What kind of thermostat do you have in that vehicle? The FI rigs I have are
pretty tolerant of what passes for fuel at the pumps near here, but FI
doesn't make fuel burn any better than a carburetor does.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4427294A.3771817C@sympatico.ca...
> I don't think so..... My needles barely last a year. The are done in
> for sure every 2 years. The one I have in now has started to leak and
> it's only a year old. I just pulled it and cleaned it's slides and tip
> and we will see if I have to buy a kit or not....
>
> I was experimenting with that crappy gas mix and my carb's mix to see if
> I could burn the junk. Folks told me I was running lean if it wouldn't
> burn alcohol so I tried to rich it up via the internal metering
> needles. All that got me was a mid range bog and bad gas mileage.
>
> I just went back to the stock settings and am hoping on the needle...
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> > I was being my usual sarcastic self, they've replaced the neoprene
> > with some other plastic, like in this new Holley kit:
> > http://www.----------.com/holley.jpg
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > No way, I am still getting the neoprene needle seats...
> > >
> > > Mike


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Coasty

"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:5WAVf.4576$FD4.1997@dukeread07...
> Coasty did pass the time by typing:
>> Well, I must have been under a rock or in lala land to miss this. I was
>> listening to Goss' Garage today and April 1st 2006 all gasoline will be
>> E-10
>> (10% ethanol) which replaces the current MTBE additive. Pat discussed
>> the
>> new stuff at length and basically stated it will be fine even for older
>> autos. He said that in older autos the ethanol is a super cleaner and
>> will
>> break lose all kinds of stuff in the fuel system. He said if you notice
>> your auto running really crapy just change the fuel filter.
>>
>> Coasty
>
> Nice date they chose..... :)
>
> --
> DougW
>
Quite fitting anything having to do with the Fed's all fools no April
involved.
Coasty

Coasty

"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:5WAVf.4576$FD4.1997@dukeread07...
> Coasty did pass the time by typing:
>> Well, I must have been under a rock or in lala land to miss this. I was
>> listening to Goss' Garage today and April 1st 2006 all gasoline will be
>> E-10
>> (10% ethanol) which replaces the current MTBE additive. Pat discussed
>> the
>> new stuff at length and basically stated it will be fine even for older
>> autos. He said that in older autos the ethanol is a super cleaner and
>> will
>> break lose all kinds of stuff in the fuel system. He said if you notice
>> your auto running really crapy just change the fuel filter.
>>
>> Coasty
>
> Nice date they chose..... :)
>
> --
> DougW
>
Quite fitting anything having to do with the Fed's all fools no April
involved.
Coasty

Coasty

"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:5WAVf.4576$FD4.1997@dukeread07...
> Coasty did pass the time by typing:
>> Well, I must have been under a rock or in lala land to miss this. I was
>> listening to Goss' Garage today and April 1st 2006 all gasoline will be
>> E-10
>> (10% ethanol) which replaces the current MTBE additive. Pat discussed
>> the
>> new stuff at length and basically stated it will be fine even for older
>> autos. He said that in older autos the ethanol is a super cleaner and
>> will
>> break lose all kinds of stuff in the fuel system. He said if you notice
>> your auto running really crapy just change the fuel filter.
>>
>> Coasty
>
> Nice date they chose..... :)
>
> --
> DougW
>
Quite fitting anything having to do with the Fed's all fools no April
involved.
Coasty

Coasty

As I had heard April 1st is official, but like anything else the Feds do it
is on the sly.
Coasty

"Hippie" <pmunsel@txcyber.com> wrote in message
news:122dpbc1pj95b6f@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:zoWdnYL7NeWFQbvZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Yeah, I think it might be an april fools thing...
>>
>> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>> news:5WAVf.4576$FD4.1997@dukeread07...
>>> Coasty did pass the time by typing:
>>>> Well, I must have been under a rock or in lala land to miss this. I
>>>> was
>>>> listening to Goss' Garage today and April 1st 2006 all gasoline will be
>>>> E-10
>>>> (10% ethanol) which replaces the current MTBE additive. Pat discussed
>>>> the
>>>> new stuff at length and basically stated it will be fine even for older
>>>> autos. He said that in older autos the ethanol is a super cleaner and
>>>> will
>>>> break lose all kinds of stuff in the fuel system. He said if you
>>>> notice
>>>> your auto running really crapy just change the fuel filter.
>>>>
>>>> Coasty
>>>
>>> Nice date they chose..... :)
>>>
>>> --
>>> DougW
>
> I've been hearing some ramblings for over a month here. The only date I
> had heard previously was sometime in April. The folks just S. of me in
> Houston have been gearing up for a while I was told. I was also told it
> was one of those "under the cover of darkness" issues so as not to get too
> much attention and resistance before it was in the marketplace. As usual,
> it could all change with the wind, and it's blowing hard today.
> Hippie...
>

Coasty

As I had heard April 1st is official, but like anything else the Feds do it
is on the sly.
Coasty

"Hippie" <pmunsel@txcyber.com> wrote in message
news:122dpbc1pj95b6f@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:zoWdnYL7NeWFQbvZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Yeah, I think it might be an april fools thing...
>>
>> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>> news:5WAVf.4576$FD4.1997@dukeread07...
>>> Coasty did pass the time by typing:
>>>> Well, I must have been under a rock or in lala land to miss this. I
>>>> was
>>>> listening to Goss' Garage today and April 1st 2006 all gasoline will be
>>>> E-10
>>>> (10% ethanol) which replaces the current MTBE additive. Pat discussed
>>>> the
>>>> new stuff at length and basically stated it will be fine even for older
>>>> autos. He said that in older autos the ethanol is a super cleaner and
>>>> will
>>>> break lose all kinds of stuff in the fuel system. He said if you
>>>> notice
>>>> your auto running really crapy just change the fuel filter.
>>>>
>>>> Coasty
>>>
>>> Nice date they chose..... :)
>>>
>>> --
>>> DougW
>
> I've been hearing some ramblings for over a month here. The only date I
> had heard previously was sometime in April. The folks just S. of me in
> Houston have been gearing up for a while I was told. I was also told it
> was one of those "under the cover of darkness" issues so as not to get too
> much attention and resistance before it was in the marketplace. As usual,
> it could all change with the wind, and it's blowing hard today.
> Hippie...
>